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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.17 22:38:00 -
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Oh lookie thar, walking in ships, walking in stations, actual characters to interact with including scantily clad woman .... so why exactly is it so hard for CCP to have accomplished something similar by now? This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |

The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
30
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Posted - 2013.08.17 22:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:You asked how X series gameplay was deep. It is not deep. Ok. If you say so. You haven't played it, I take it?
I love sarcastic comments about sarcastics comments. I might need to hop on this train. I mean good lord, why we no like each other? |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3975
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Posted - 2013.08.18 03:16:00 -
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MicDeath Titan wrote:Solstice Project wrote:You people are like little kids, getting easily manipulated by fancy graphics. It isn't the graphics, it is the promis they are making. And if they can maintain those promises with the same level as the hype is, then it will make Eve, old.
How is Xrebirth different to Mass Effect? It's a single player game, you make decisions that change the course of the plot. The NPCs are only smart enough to buy/sell, I wonder how many of them were adventurers like you until they took an arrow to the knee?
All I saw in that video was a lot of graphical noise. There was no indication of plot, the NPCs can't shoot straight, and most of the action seems to be stick-piloting a space fighter. We had plenty of that in Elite, last Century.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3975
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Posted - 2013.08.18 03:20:00 -
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Calypso Warsmith wrote:CCP started working on the next step in there grand space sim, (WIS) and got unholy rage about over priced vanity items.
It wasn't just about overpriced vanity items. There was:
- Nothing new in FiS
- the promise of walking in stations, we got walking in shoebox
- the only shoebox we got was the minmatar one
- the graphics causing video cards to melt while displaying one character in one room
- the talk of "Pay 2 Win" stuff like paying real money for gold ammo
- the talk of "concierge" items such as more saved fittings
If you think the Summer of Rage was just about monocles, you weren't paying attention.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
2410
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Posted - 2013.08.18 04:45:00 -
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Looks like Borderlands in space to me. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |

Bruce Kemp
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
55
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Posted - 2013.08.18 05:29:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:You people are like little kids, getting easily manipulated by fancy graphics.
Well said.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
209
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Posted - 2013.08.18 06:28:00 -
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There is nothing bad in fancy graphics, as long, as there is gameplay behind it. Overall X is not bad game, as you can see Skyrim was single player and was bought by many, both games lack multiplayer. Words "your actons truly matter" are about making something in simulated environment, and as we know EVE is more "real", because it have real humans as characters. New CQ prototype |

Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.08.18 07:35:00 -
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Solhild wrote:When I started playing EVE in 2008 they were still talking about a grand vision like that. Now it seems that it's endgame null fleet online only.
This.
I remember watching fanfest videos online, great thoughts about WIS and Planetary flight and whatnot..
Planetary flight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pg1dzAvL2M
That video was released... SEVEN.. YEARS.. AGO.
The list of great features that never happened is loooong and like you said.. the null people with the same amount of life irl are sadly the ones who get their voices heard here on the forums. Teonosude. |

Dalmont Delantee
DucKtape Unlimited SpaceMonkey's Alliance
164
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Posted - 2013.08.18 07:47:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Dalmont Delantee wrote:Definitely won't break eve, single ship, walky roundy bits....it will have some people playing for a couple of weeks until they come back basically. Don't feel too bad, but people still are playing X3: Albion Prelude, which is a DLC for X3: Terran Conflict, which was a DLC based on the massive X-Tended mod 0.7 for X3: Reunion. So essentially people has been playing X3 for 7 years, and some have bought it 3 times (original + TC + AP). Also, 6 years later, the trailer for X-Tended mod 0.7 still is one of the best you will see in your life.
I have them all, I'm was just talking about intensively and exclusively. Thats what I meant :)
I still play birth of the federation for example. |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.08.18 08:17:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:MicDeath Titan wrote:Solstice Project wrote:You people are like little kids, getting easily manipulated by fancy graphics. It isn't the graphics, it is the promis they are making. And if they can maintain those promises with the same level as the hype is, then it will make Eve, old. How is Xrebirth different to Mass Effect? It's a single player game, you make decisions that change the course of the plot. The NPCs are only smart enough to buy/sell, I wonder how many of them were adventurers like you until they took an arrow to the knee? All I saw in that video was a lot of graphical noise. There was no indication of plot, the NPCs can't shoot straight, and most of the action seems to be stick-piloting a space fighter. We had plenty of that in Elite, last Century.
The X series is a industrial simulator at heart, much as EVE is a spreadsheets simulator at heart.
Let's say that you fancy a small fleet of escort fighters for your traders. The ships are relatively easy to acquire unless you need a lot and choose to build them your own, but the equipment is another beast. NPC traders don't supply military industries. So you may, either build your own industries, or set up traders to supply NPC industries.
Production is a complicated issue, as everything needs different resources which in turn must be manufactured or obtained from other resources. Even the simplest resource, energy cells, requires trading with other races at one point or another. FAI, Argonian power plants use crystals whose factories use meatsteak cahoonas which use Argonian delexian wheat which uses Boron bogas which uses Teladi teladianium. Meatsteak cahoonas also use argnu beef which uses Boron plankton which uses delexian wheat, and Split scruffin fruits which use Teladi Teladianium and Teladi nostrop Oil, which uses sunrise flowers which use Boron bogas... and so and so.
Nothing compared to EVE's uber-deep "set up line, feed minerals, wait", as you may notice. But don't take my word for it. Just see it yourself with this fancy production spreadsheet. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1616
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Posted - 2013.08.18 08:20:00 -
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Mycool Jahksn wrote:Solhild wrote:When I started playing EVE in 2008 they were still talking about a grand vision like that. Now it seems that it's endgame null fleet online only. This. I remember watching fanfest videos online, great thoughts about WIS and Planetary flight and whatnot.. Planetary flight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pg1dzAvL2MThat video was released... SEVEN.. YEARS.. AGO. The list of great features that never happened is loooong and like you said.. the null people with the same amount of life irl are sadly the ones who get their voices heard here on the forums.
Planetary flight was intended as a joke. There never ever were any plans nor ideas about implementing it. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3976
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Posted - 2013.08.18 08:41:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Does X have seasonal goods like Star Wars Galaxies used to have when it wasn't broken by Sony's NGE? Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1616
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Posted - 2013.08.18 09:28:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Does X have seasonal goods like Star Wars Galaxies used to have when it wasn't broken by Sony's NGE?
There are no such seasonal goods as there are no seasons in space. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |

Arec Bardwin
1098
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Posted - 2013.08.18 10:05:00 -
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When you guys are tired with the fancy graphics and boring single player experience you will be back to the worn old ***** that is EVE Online. Happens every time  |

Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1769
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Posted - 2013.08.18 10:57:00 -
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Debating X vs Eve is a waste of time at best. But we all know what the point is. People want Eve to be a more whole space simulator experience like CCP so often preached about.
I'm not going to beat about the bush, I am just going to say it. Most of you know where I stand anyway. Eve in Stations. We want to be able to dock up, have just as much impact, be just as cut throat, cheat steal and kill each other, set up seedy business deals, do industry/business or just **** about... "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |

Just Lilly
106
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Posted - 2013.08.18 11:37:00 -
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Graphics look meh, DirectX 9c written all over it 
Low to average, at best, will probably pull through with an mobo integrated Mobile Radeon gpu / 1GB of DDR3 video ram.
Pretty much in line with the hardware of your average EvE player  Powered by Nvidia GTX 690 |

Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2013.08.18 11:57:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Solhild wrote:When I started playing EVE in 2008 they were still talking about a grand vision like that. Now it seems that it's endgame null fleet online only. This. I remember watching fanfest videos online, great thoughts about WIS and Planetary flight and whatnot.. Planetary flight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pg1dzAvL2MThat video was released... SEVEN.. YEARS.. AGO. The list of great features that never happened is loooong and like you said.. the null people with the same amount of life irl are sadly the ones who get their voices heard here on the forums. Planetary flight was intended as a joke. There never ever were any plans nor ideas about implementing it.
Citation needed. Teonosude. |

mr ed thehouseofed
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
348
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Posted - 2013.08.18 12:48:00 -
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looks awesome    real gamers only need one toon-á |

Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3657
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Posted - 2013.08.18 13:03:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Calypso Warsmith wrote:CCP started working on the next step in there grand space sim, (WIS) and got unholy rage about over priced vanity items. It wasn't just about overpriced vanity items. There was:
- Nothing new in FiS
- the promise of walking in stations, we got walking in shoebox
- the only shoebox we got was the minmatar one
- the graphics causing video cards to melt while displaying one character in one room
- the talk of "Pay 2 Win" stuff like paying real money for gold ammo
- the talk of "concierge" items such as more saved fittings
If you think the Summer of Rage was just about monocles, you weren't paying attention. You forgot the removal of ship spinning, which also contributed to the fiasco. I love this completely useless feature ... and i'm not the only one. |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1618
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Posted - 2013.08.18 13:39:00 -
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Mycool Jahksn wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Solhild wrote:When I started playing EVE in 2008 they were still talking about a grand vision like that. Now it seems that it's endgame null fleet online only. This. I remember watching fanfest videos online, great thoughts about WIS and Planetary flight and whatnot.. Planetary flight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pg1dzAvL2MThat video was released... SEVEN.. YEARS.. AGO. The list of great features that never happened is loooong and like you said.. the null people with the same amount of life irl are sadly the ones who get their voices heard here on the forums. Planetary flight was intended as a joke. There never ever were any plans nor ideas about implementing it. Citation needed.
There are no citations as far as I know. But the fact that it was a single video relased during Fanfest 7 years ago and CCP has not talked about it never again should be a clue. According to EVE pundits, it was a teaser/joke related to Planetary Interaction and never were any plans to actually implement it.
But don't hesitate to contact CCP devs and get a citation. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5577
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Posted - 2013.08.18 13:47:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:This. I remember watching fanfest videos online, great thoughts about WIS and Planetary flight and whatnot.. Planetary flight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pg1dzAvL2MThat video was released... SEVEN.. YEARS.. AGO. The list of great features that never happened is loooong and like you said.. the null people with the same amount of life irl are sadly the ones who get their voices heard here on the forums. Planetary flight was intended as a joke. There never ever were any plans nor ideas about implementing it. Citation needed. There are no citations as far as I know. But the fact that it was a single video relased during Fanfest 7 years ago and CCP has not talked about it never again should be a clue. According to EVE pundits, it was a teaser/joke related to Planetary Interaction and never were any plans to actually implement it. But don't hesitate to contact CCP devs and get a citation. Post #38.
CCP kieron wrote:At FanFest 2004, we announced planetary flight would be in the Kali expansion and even gave a 'proof of concept' demonstration. However, we spoke a little bit too soon. The Devs took a further look into coding planetary flight and everything it entailed. The coding and server resources were deemed too heavy to include in Kali and delayed.
Planetary flight will be added to EVE. However, its inclusion has been determined worthy of its own expansion. While this is subject to change, I would guess that planetary flight will be in the expansion after Kali. |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1618
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Posted - 2013.08.18 13:58:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:(...) There are no citations as far as I know. But the fact that it was a single video relased during Fanfest 7 years ago and CCP has not talked about it never again should be a clue. According to EVE pundits, it was a teaser/joke related to Planetary Interaction and never were any plans to actually implement it.
But don't hesitate to contact CCP devs and get a citation. Post #38.CCP kieron wrote:At FanFest 2004, we announced planetary flight would be in the Kali expansion and even gave a 'proof of concept' demonstration. However, we spoke a little bit too soon. The Devs took a further look into coding planetary flight and everything it entailed. The coding and server resources were deemed too heavy to include in Kali and delayed.
Planetary flight will be added to EVE. However, its inclusion has been determined worthy of its own expansion. While this is subject to change, I would guess that planetary flight will be in the expansion after Kali.
You see? Claiming that there are no citations on, say, adding flying platypus to EVE, is a way more efficent to produce such citations than just ask for them... thank you, I'll save that for future use. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |

Dimaloun Vyreen
Venture Corporation
13
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Posted - 2013.08.18 15:28:00 -
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EvE will eventually be beat out. EvE set the standard, and now developers will try and top that standard. That's the way development works: beat out the competition. There are three things you say to the police. "Yes, sir", "No, sir" and "I want a lawyer". There is one thing you say to Concord, "Wait, it wasn-" |

Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
124
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Posted - 2013.08.18 15:53:00 -
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I think it would be best for Egosoft, and all of the players of their games, if CCP didn't aquire them. CCP needs to get its own act together before they can think of acquiring other game makers to incorporate their technologies.
However, another reason might be that CCP is using their own game development software/engine or whatever the jargon is, and it may not be compatible with EVE. So, there really would be no way to implement any of what was shown in that trailer.
And now to log on to Crunchyroll to watch Attack on Titan! and Space Brothers! Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |

Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
209
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Posted - 2013.08.18 17:18:00 -
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Quote:Planetary flight will be added to EVE. However, its inclusion has been determined worthy of its own expansion. While this is subject to change, I would guess that planetary flight will be in the expansion after Kali.
Your dream about atmospheric flight in EVE. New CQ prototype |

Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2013.08.18 17:51:00 -
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CCP kieron wrote:At FanFest 2004, we announced planetary flight would be in the Kali expansion and even gave a 'proof of concept' demonstration. However, we spoke a little bit too soon. The Devs took a further look into coding planetary flight and everything it entailed. The coding and server resources were deemed too heavy to include in Kali and delayed.
Planetary flight will be added to EVE. However, its inclusion has been determined worthy of its own expansion. While this is subject to change, I would guess that planetary flight will be in the expansion after Kali.
So it's on the to do list after all eh?  Teonosude. |

J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
876
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Posted - 2013.08.18 20:05:00 -
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Mycool Jahksn wrote:CCP kieron wrote:At FanFest 2004, we announced planetary flight would be in the Kali expansion and even gave a 'proof of concept' demonstration. However, we spoke a little bit too soon. The Devs took a further look into coding planetary flight and everything it entailed. The coding and server resources were deemed too heavy to include in Kali and delayed.
Planetary flight will be added to EVE. However, its inclusion has been determined worthy of its own expansion. While this is subject to change, I would guess that planetary flight will be in the expansion after Kali. So it's on the to do list after all eh? 
More fanfest vaporware promises that are never kept ... like the tessellation / asteroid bumping physics / shields glowing when hit shown 2 years ago, those will be seen in 2024 or so This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1618
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Posted - 2013.08.18 20:27:00 -
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Mycool Jahksn wrote:CCP kieron wrote:At FanFest 2004, we announced planetary flight would be in the Kali expansion and even gave a 'proof of concept' demonstration. However, we spoke a little bit too soon. The Devs took a further look into coding planetary flight and everything it entailed. The coding and server resources were deemed too heavy to include in Kali and delayed.
Planetary flight will be added to EVE. However, its inclusion has been determined worthy of its own expansion. While this is subject to change, I would guess that planetary flight will be in the expansion after Kali. So it's on the to do list after all eh? 
No. It was supposed to be in the list to do in 2005. Obviously wasn't done and it's well past its time. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |

Lialem
5
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Posted - 2013.08.18 21:53:00 -
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I agree with OP. After the failure of NEX store and microtransactions expansion, CCP are mostly focused on fixing and patching things, with a couple of new features like a new ship. I dont know what happened, do they got so scared cause they lost subscribers back then? not sure, but from that moment expansions are mostly patches, and not real expansions. And the so called exploration expansion we have today just added a new minigame and a new jump effect, and didnt really change much on the exploration game imo. |

Gneeznow
L'Avant Garde
105
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Posted - 2013.08.18 22:23:00 -
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Played X series long before I played eve, each release gets better and better and leaves you sitting in your underwear for 2 months at a time making space factories and going fully autist while living off toast and cereal. Rebirth might drag me away from eve again for 6 to 12 months I suspect! |
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