I very rarely disagree with you Tippia, but here I have to. In the vast majority of cases, you don't have time to shoot a suicide ganker back, and even if you did it wouldn't help. If a decent group of suicide gankers wants one of your ships dead there is literally nothing you can do about it. It is the only area in Eve where someone gets to PvP risk free.

Goons were getting spanked.

They refused to come up to the ice belts after a while.

L O S E R S

Sorry, this is my main lamer. I was up in Osmon most of the weekend along with you goonpussies. Just ask the ones that were there.

If you're using a throwaway alt then the only risk is one of a known cost if it all goes wrong. Simply put, there is only the cost of the ship you will lose in a suicide gank versus the unknown return in loot from the destroyed ship.

In other words its just a cost of doing business, not risk.

Wow, a lot of Suicide Ganker tears in this thread. Epic PvPers with a point to prove.

"omg suicide ganking does take some skilz!"

No, it really doesn't. It's all pre-calculated. Scan the ship first, warp in with one more catalyst than is strictly required (use a cloaked warp-to), blow them up and then dock up. Worried about ECM or logi? Why? It's not a viable tactic. Unless they baited you there, they are not going to have anything like that. As for people killing gankers, yea I do it myself if I can catch one. If you got caught then your a complete idiot.

As for goons. How does anyone in this organization come out as being a skilled gamer? You would never convince me of anyone in goons being or having any skill in this game. You all hide behind and have more than half of the server population in either the alliance or clusterfuck.

"people who have never suicide ganked" - people who don't check their facts.

Edit: Just to get things streight, I think suicide ganking is an important part of the game. I have no problem with suicide gankers. I have suicide ganked myself. Couple of times with my main, a great deal more than a couple of times on alts, and I have frequently been in corps who have regularly suicide ganked.

The problem I have, is when people whine that suicide ganking is hard, or requires any skill. No one I have ever suicide ganked with has been under the illusion that it's difficult. People make the argument that it's difficult to make a profit now, but frankly I never knew anyone who suicide ganked for profit, at least not on a single person scale. It's about the grief. Also, when people argue that miners deserve it for being afk, that pisses me off because that's just stupid. I don't even like mining. I haven't mined in literally years. Basically, people spreading crap so confidently pisses me off.

That's untrue. Miners RISK losing their ships. They MIGHT get blown up.

With suicide gankers there is no "might" unless there is no target. IF they do their job poorly, or well, they will still get blown up.

Concord can no longer be tanked or avoided unfortunately.

Its not really risk. Its the "cost of doing business". You know what you are going to pay upfront. There is the risk of failing, but generally that is not the case if you do your home work.

Ganking has no risk other than failure and with 15 catalysts this is 0%.

Dictionary.com defines risk as "exposure to the chance of injury or loss; a hazard or dangerous chance"

I bolded the word "chance" so you know that risk requires a chance which assumes possible survivability. When death or destructionis 100% guaranteed, then there is no risk, because it is outcome that has no chance of survivability.

Yes but lets be realistic here. When the probability falls so low its not a discernible factor there is little to no risk to the person ganking. But if you like than I'll say

"The risk experienced by suicide gankers blowing up miners in barges and so on is so low it could be considered non-existent for anyone not super pedantic".

Does that satisfy you?

You would have a 100% of succeeding at suiciding and dying, yes. Without fail you became a wreck.

In my view, the two activies are seperate. I could simply fuel my ganking activities by buying plex. I don't really care about making money through ganking. Its not the point of it in my view.

Yep. There it is again with everyone saying "Players who don't play like me are inferior and are my lessers."