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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
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Posted - 2013.08.21 13:56:00 -
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Aims 'Amy' Loh wrote:Earlier expansions included much more new content because it's much easier to build new content at the beginning of a game than at the end when there is already considerable structure and system. This is obvious?
Considering the number of ships in game already, we can't expect new ships. Other games add new content at the expense of the former regions of the game world becoming deserted.
Yes, I agree.
Spaceships part of EVE is saurated and there is not to expect or ask for more psaceships.
But the funny thing is that is just the only "improvement" they keep doing:
First they say the hurricane is overpowered, need a rebalancing. Fine, do it (-1%). After 6 months they add to the game they add "new" (+1%) faction BC and re-selling me my old hurricane renamed as "hurricane fleet issue" and retextured.
Please don't call this "expansion", "spaceship gameplay improvement" or such. it's only scam.
In the past they didnt add ships just for the sake of it but because there was a need (ie: WH ->need of modular fitting -> T3 cruisers -> industry layer to support it).
EVE is not like other games, EVE don't need new contents, EVE need playground and tools for players to build new contents. Adding and refining this tools is what CCP used to do for years with their true expansions. So, if the spaceship part of the game is saturated (and it is) then should be keep on mantainence/tweak status (as they're doing) but also some new design perspective need to be opened. And as EVE player I'd like to see it opened in the game I love, not in some new external game.
And now not doing it anymore. Why? Because they're busy out of EVE, developing other games. And of course from the company point of view is far more easy and cheap to simply iterate ad nauseam on consolidated and already working elements instead of creating new ones.
Like the never ending reiteration on equip tiers in WOW: T1, T2, T3, T4.... "New" dungeons that are always the same with different numbers and so on... always the same **** sold over and over again.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1146
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Posted - 2013.08.21 13:57:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The theme of the December release (for goodness sake's people, an expansion was Apochrypha, re-arranging deck chairs is not an expansion) will be announced in 3 or 5 days at GamesCom.
It will be focused on the continuing transfer of wealth generation from high sec to null sec, like the appropriation of a huge chunk of ice revenue and ore mining was. I fully expect to see the announcement of the beginning of the end of T2 mfg in high sec, and that null sec will eventually be the only place it can occur, which will dovetail nicely with the soon to be announced decimation of mfg and R&D station slots in high sec, and another order of magnitude in null sec station slots.
Before then, we will see the end of the Marauder as a mission boat as it is "re-balanced" into a PvP boat.
The command ship and command link nerfs hurts everyone, but no one more than incursion runners.
That is no co-incidence. And when CCP figures out the spaghetti code surrounding OGB's, that will also disappear with the winter release.
The cartels are issuing more propaganda about how they need renters to maintain their income streams. Frankly, the demand for rental space is unlikely to fill the space being offered, so CCP, in its ongoing efforts to turn Eve into NullSec Online, is going to have to incentivize players to want to go to null. That can only be done by wiping out high sec profitability and increasing null sec profitability.
So that is what the winter release will be about. CCP has been bleeding high sec by inches for a long time. But the bleeding will accelerate with the December release. These are all excellent ideas. I like your thinking, and I look forward to having the chance to vote for you for CSM9. Why wait? Put them to CCP now and we can consign highsec to the scrapheap of history where it belongs. It wouldn't be proper to steal the glory rightly due to the architect of EVE's renewal.
Yeah, yeah, gloat all you like.
Troll all you like.
You are clearly aware that soundwave, or one of the other dev's, stated during the AT that at Gamescom CCP was announcing the theme of the winter iteration. That means in the next day or 3 we will see just how close I am to the mark.
And then all those people accusing me of tinfoil will spin it to be "well yeah, of course it was going to be another attack on high sec, because high sec needs to be nerfed, in favour of the null sec cartel lords. Because you know, they are the only ones that create content in the game, and there are huge "expenses" incurred when running these cartels."
I have an idea. Why does not CCP put all the null sec cartel leaders on their payroll, since they are the only ones who are truly driving any interest in Eve anyway, and these cartel leaders are the only ones responsible for subs into the game. Pay them for all the tremendous work they are unselfishly doing for CCP, which they are currently doing for no real world payment.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning.
The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
11293
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Posted - 2013.08.21 14:07:00 -
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Dinsdale, if you run for CSM 9 I swear on my mother's life that I will vote for you with both my accounts, and tirelessly urge everyone I speak to to do the same.
1 Kings 12:11
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Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
12
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Posted - 2013.08.21 14:56:00 -
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Orebelts are getting the same spawnmechacnics as the icebelts.
And a few things more to screw highsecminers even more. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1146
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Posted - 2013.08.21 15:02:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale, if you run for CSM 9 I swear on my mother's life that I will vote for you with both my accounts, and tirelessly urge everyone I speak to to do the same.
Not going to happen.
I have read about the real life harassment that followed one of the previous champions of high sec that managed to get onto a previous CSM. (had to pull down her website, affected her personal life)
Further, the chances that I will get banned on the forums for a LONG time are VERY high, and would overlap with any CSM campaign.
I am not talking about some conspiracy to keep me off the CSM. Even CCP is not that Machiavellian.
I just know that I will speak out against the injustices being done to high sec some time in the future, and will get banned for it, and that will likely be soon.
Besides, what would be the point of getting on the CSM for someone like me?
Why would I want to endure all the ridicule, trolling, and ostracization that would occur from fighting against the CSM null sec cartel power bloc, plus any CCP employees who share their views on the direction of the game.
Any platform I would run on would be hugely obstructionist, bent on slowing down or stopping ANY moves CSM / CCP made to enrich null sec. That would make my voice pretty lonely and futile, like someone screaming at the tide to stop it from rolling in.
Plus I would like to see a few things that would make most of the CSM and CCP shudder, and I would scream incessantly about them:
1. Total in-game asset freeze of not only any CSM individuals, and all their accounts, including a period up to 6 months after they leave the CSM.
2. Massive market tracking of any items affected by changes to the game mechanisms, to ensure inside knowledge is not used to make trillions for alliances affiliated with CSM members. Any one found cheating would not only be bounced from the CSM, their alliance would be stripped of all assets, and their alliance could never put anyone on the CSM again.
3. A public record that displays any and all character corp/alliance affiliations of each and every CCP employee who is involved in any manner of decision-making with the game's direction or game mechanics. The char's name need not be given, but for example, if soundwave has 2 chars in goons, a char in a high sec corp, and a char in an NPC corp, the publicly accessible database would state the names of the goon corps, and the high sec corp he has chars in, but not the NPC corp.
4. Public outing of every player/alliance caught botting or RMT'ing. A full list of every char, with the corp and alliance they were in, would be made available.
5. Complete and transparent, and I mean totally complete and transparent, accounting of the entire Eve economy, broken down just about any way any player could envision, in an annual statement. I would love to see just how much moon goo and null sec ratting income was generated compared to high sec mission / incursion running, or the value of ice mined in null sec last year compared to this year. If one CCP employee in his off-time was able to give so much precise info with SQL requests and a twitter account, imagine what the CCP economists can do in a couple weeks of focused work.
6. All forum moderators must publicly disclose all corp/alliance affiliations.
Are any of those 6 items going to be implemented? Not a chance. Because they would not help the cause of the most influential and rich group in the game. So any time I spent on the CSM would be an utter waste for me, and cause me nothing but inconvenience and potentially serious blowback in my real life. There are enough sociopaths in the null sec cartels that I don't want my name available to them.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning.
The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.08.21 15:12:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale, if you run for CSM 9 I swear on my mother's life that I will vote for you with both my accounts, and tirelessly urge everyone I speak to to do the same. Not going to happen. GǪwhich is why Malc can be so confident in making that kind of promise. 
Quote:I have read about the real life harassment that followed one of the previous champions of high sec that managed to get onto a previous CSM. (had to pull down her website, affected her personal life) Which CSM rep would that be?
Quote:Are any of those 6 items going to be implemented? Not a chance. GǪaside from the one that is already the case and aside from the ones that can't happen because of privacy concerns or the ones that can't happen because it would make it impossible to get any people on the CSM.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
745
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:51:00 -
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It will be about CCP making money.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Spurty
943
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:08:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:What do you think the next expansion will be about?
Not going to guess, going to sow some seeds in their heads though :O
Overhauling all things leadership related
This is GD so that's as far as I'll take this information.
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GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥
GÇò Philip K. **** |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
11304
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale, if you run for CSM 9 I swear on my mother's life that I will vote for you with both my accounts, and tirelessly urge everyone I speak to to do the same. Not going to happen. GǪwhich is why Malc can be so confident in making that kind of promise.
As you may know, I keep my word.
That's why I'm so careful about giving it.
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
11304
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:16:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale, if you run for CSM 9 I swear on my mother's life that I will vote for you with both my accounts, and tirelessly urge everyone I speak to to do the same. Not going to happen.
Excuses. Man up and do what needs to be done.
1 Kings 12:11
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16175
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:37:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:What about the difference between Crucible and the last three expansions? Comparing the legendary Apocrypha to the last three may be a little extreme, but you can't say the same for Crucible. Crucible certainly contained more content than probably two of more of the previous three put together. If you didn't already see my post about that then it's below The difference is that Crucible didn't give us much content compared to the last three expansions: a couple of ships, some T2 modules and telling tasks not to give up so easily. It improved quality of life, but wasn't particularly heavy on actual stuff for the players.
Inferno gave us new wardec mechanics, an almost complete reintroduction of Factional Warfare, and a ton of ships; Retribution gave us new rat AI, new modules, Dust, and more ships than you can shake a stick at; Odyssey gave us yet more ships, exploration, a significant industry revamp, a massive skill revamp. Each on its own rivals Crucible and put together, they are definitely in the same league as Apocrypha.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
62
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:41:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
3) Did you even watch Seagull's keynote presentation?
Yes bro, i watched Seagull's presentation. Btw, next time u talk to her, tell her to take a deep breath and lay off the emo factor before talking about "the vision" and the plan for a plan to have a plan for a plan again so maybe we can understand what the hell is that about |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
11304
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:47:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:Malcanis wrote:
3) Did you even watch Seagull's keynote presentation?
Yes bro, i watched Seagull's presentation. Btw, next time u talk to her, tell her to take a deep breath and lay off the emo factor before talking about "the vision" and the plan for a plan to have a plan for a plan again so maybe we can understand what the hell is that about
You don't think maybe she was super nervous and passionate?
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
11304
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Arduemont wrote:What about the difference between Crucible and the last three expansions? Comparing the legendary Apocrypha to the last three may be a little extreme, but you can't say the same for Crucible. Crucible certainly contained more content than probably two of more of the previous three put together. If you didn't already see my post about that then it's below The difference is that Crucible didn't give us much content compared to the last three expansions: a couple of ships, some T2 modules and telling tasks not to give up so easily. It improved quality of life, but wasn't particularly heavy on actual stuff for the players. Inferno gave us new wardec mechanics, an almost complete reintroduction of Factional Warfare, and a ton of ships; Retribution gave us new rat AI, new modules, Dust, and more ships than you can shake a stick at; Odyssey gave us yet more ships, exploration, a significant industry revamp, a massive skill revamp. Each on its own rivals Crucible and put together, they are definitely in the same league as Apocrypha.
Not to mention that Retribution effectively gaves us a truck load of "new" ships by rescuing all those worthless, unused T1 frigates and cruisers, now enormously popular - a process that has continued since then to the point where people (in 0.0 anyway) are unironically talking about a Cerberus doctrine.
The Cerb for love's sake.
1 Kings 12:11
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
62
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:55:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
You don't think maybe she was super nervous and passionate?
Nervous and passionate?!?! Yes I get your point.. i think maybe i'd be a little nervous too if i was talking about exploration and colonization of space knowing that 2 month's later i'd be delivering such a trashy Odissey "expansion" like that.... |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
62
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:01:00 -
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I do agree with something i watched Seagull say there tho " We do not want to simply add new systems filled with all the things you already know in EVE because that will be boring, we want to add something new" - with this i agree, you dont go on odysseys and explore and colonize places you already know and are explored/colonized |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1236
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:10:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:raven666wings wrote:Malcanis wrote:
3) Did you even watch Seagull's keynote presentation?
Yes bro, i watched Seagull's presentation. Btw, next time u talk to her, tell her to take a deep breath and lay off the emo factor before talking about "the vision" and the plan for a plan to have a plan for a plan again so maybe we can understand what the hell is that about You don't think maybe she was super nervous and passionate?
perhaps she saw the seagulls natural enemy the bagel.... and got scurd.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
Winter Expansion new ship request |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
62
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:13:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:
perhaps she saw the seagulls natural enemy the bagel.... and got scurd.
lololol |
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
313
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:...Odyssey gave us ... exploration ...
If you call "Hey look over here! The red square marks the spot! We even made setting up probes easier! And play our slot machine jackpot phat lewt spew too!" as exploration...
*shakes head* |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16177
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:18:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:If you call "Hey look over here! The red square marks the spot! We even made setting up probes easier! And play our slot machine jackpot phat lewt spew too!" as exploration... Compared to the previous iterations, I certainly would. You have to actually do some exploring now, even if it's not in spaceGǪ 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Julius Priscus
126
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:23:00 -
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it will be about 100% pvp
when you start using weapons on other ships be it player or npc you will have a small window open and a mini game will start.
re: hacking etc
and if you win the mini game all their loot will spew out in several cans and you will have 3 seconds to collect it all.
Flamespar wrote:What do you think the next expansion will be about?
Personally I'm hoping for something to rekindle my interest in this game.
Unfortunately all of the things I have been looking forward to seem to be firmly in the "soon" box with no hope of ever making it into the game (modular POS with interiors, comet mining, WiS).
I predict some minor tweaks and a "re-skinning" of an existing feature (production/ invention maybe)
-»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka ! |
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
313
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:30:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Guttripper wrote:If you call "Hey look over here! The red square marks the spot! We even made setting up probes easier! And play our slot machine jackpot phat lewt spew too!" as exploration... Compared to the previous iterations, I certainly would. You have to actually do some exploring now, even if it's not in spaceGǪ
Then we will have to disagree.
Long ago, when you had to use Quest, Pursuit, Comb, and Sift probes in four different flavors in hopes of pinning down something while you initially went back and forth across the planets - that to me was exploration.
Today is what I would consider "retrieval" - automatically being told that something is approximately right here is not exploration. Drop a preset alignment of the same probe type, click closer, click closer, warp to it and play the pinata game.
Best I saw was a four day old character warp into a site I found recently. Again long ago, exploration was an unique profession that took dedication with ships and modules, along with a mindset that you might spend hours and obtain zilch. So if a free-for-all to keep the masses happy is exploration... |
Mirajane Cromwell
135
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:36:00 -
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I heard that there's going to be a series of missions to collect key parts from all around the galaxy (high sec, low sec, null sec, WHs, you name it!) and that it will take months to complete - once completed the key fits to the captain quarters door and it allows you to enter the bar with strippers (both sexes) and with fighting cage where capsuleers can fight to the death. Flirting, RPing and betting on fights allowed through new bar UI. Winner of the fight collects bounties if fight ends in capsuleer's death. They call the mission series by the name: "The Carebear's Path to Enlightenment".
True story! I swear!  |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
Somethin Awfull Forums
459
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:39:00 -
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two weeks of bait and switch.
Some will win, some will lose. Most will never undock because it was all min maxed on test server a month before it went live.
R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
11309
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:51:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:Malcanis wrote:
You don't think maybe she was super nervous and passionate?
Nervous and passionate?!?! Yes I get your point.. i think maybe i'd be a little nervous too if i was talking about exploration and colonization of space knowing that 2 month's later i'd be delivering such a trashy Odissey "expansion" like that....
Come now, be sensible. What she was talking about was obviously not about an expansion that was due to be launched in a few weeks and which wasn't going to change much.
1 Kings 12:11
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Prince Kobol
880
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Guttripper wrote:If you call "Hey look over here! The red square marks the spot! We even made setting up probes easier! And play our slot machine jackpot phat lewt spew too!" as exploration... Compared to the previous iterations, I certainly would. You have to actually do some exploring now, even if it's not in spaceGǪ
That word again... iterations
Whilst iterations is all good I personally think this is something which should be a continuous job. To have entire expansions based solely on iterations is well.. meh
The same goes with ship balancing.
One day CCP will do something new and not just more iterations |
Prince Kobol
880
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:55:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:raven666wings wrote:Malcanis wrote:
You don't think maybe she was super nervous and passionate?
Nervous and passionate?!?! Yes I get your point.. i think maybe i'd be a little nervous too if i was talking about exploration and colonization of space knowing that 2 month's later i'd be delivering such a trashy Odissey "expansion" like that.... Come now, be sensible. What she was talking about was obviously not about an expansion that was due to be launched in a few weeks and which wasn't going to change much.
Of course she wasn't talking about a feature which will be launched in a couple of weeks, we know that. We also know it wont be launched in a few months either, or years, or ever :)
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
11309
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:08:00 -
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Believe what you like. We'll let the code do the talking.
1 Kings 12:11
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Prince Kobol
881
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:09:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Believe what you like. We'll let the code do the talking.
Lol.. you mean like PoS code
Also.. snappy come back, filled me lots of hope that I might be wrong |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2574
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:22:00 -
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Hats.
Winter Hats.
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