What do you think the next expansion will be about?

Personally I'm hoping for something to rekindle my interest in this game.

Unfortunately all of the things I have been looking forward to seem to be firmly in the "soon" box with no hope of ever making it into the game (modular POS with interiors, comet mining, WiS).

I predict some minor tweaks and a "re-skinning" of an existing feature (production/ invention maybe)

What do you think the next expansion will be about?

What do you think the next expansion will be about?

My speculation on the matter is bigger, better guns.

Just thinkin' aloud.

The theme of the December release (for goodness sake's people, an expansion was Apochrypha, re-arranging deck chairs is not an expansion) will be announced in 3 or 5 days at GamesCom.

It will be focused on the continuing transfer of wealth generation from high sec to null sec, like the appropriation of a huge chunk of ice revenue and ore mining was. I fully expect to see the announcement of the beginning of the end of T2 mfg in high sec, and that null sec will eventually be the only place it can occur, which will dovetail nicely with the soon to be announced decimation of mfg and R&D station slots in high sec, and another order of magnitude in null sec station slots.

Before then, we will see the end of the Marauder as a mission boat as it is "re-balanced" into a PvP boat.
The command ship and command link nerfs hurts everyone, but no one more than incursion runners.
That is no co-incidence. And when CCP figures out the spaghetti code surrounding OGB's, that will also disappear with the winter release.

The cartels are issuing more propaganda about how they need renters to maintain their income streams. Frankly, the demand for rental space is unlikely to fill the space being offered, so CCP, in its ongoing efforts to turn Eve into NullSec Online, is going to have to incentivize players to want to go to null. That can only be done by wiping out high sec profitability and increasing null sec profitability.

So that is what the winter release will be about. CCP has been bleeding high sec by inches for a long time. But the bleeding will accelerate with the December release.

As long as it's not pandas, we're good.

We're not getting a Winter Expansion.

We haven't had an "expansion" since Crucible.

Player found systems / Player build stargates?

What do you think the next expansion will be about?

First "wave" of T2 rebalancing... frigs, and maybe exhumers. Tricky to do T2 cruisers, the issue being how not to overlap or duplicate overall T3 cruiser capabilities..

The theme of the December release (for goodness sake's people, an expansion was Apochrypha, re-arranging deck chairs is not an expansion) will be announced in 3 or 5 days at GamesCom.

It will be focused on the continuing transfer of wealth generation from high sec to null sec, like the appropriation of a huge chunk of ice revenue and ore mining was. I fully expect to see the announcement of the beginning of the end of T2 mfg in high sec, and that null sec will eventually be the only place it can occur, which will dovetail nicely with the soon to be announced decimation of mfg and R&D station slots in high sec, and another order of magnitude in null sec station slots.

Before then, we will see the end of the Marauder as a mission boat as it is "re-balanced" into a PvP boat.
The command ship and command link nerfs hurts everyone, but no one more than incursion runners.
That is no co-incidence. And when CCP figures out the spaghetti code surrounding OGB's, that will also disappear with the winter release.

The cartels are issuing more propaganda about how they need renters to maintain their income streams. Frankly, the demand for rental space is unlikely to fill the space being offered, so CCP, in its ongoing efforts to turn Eve into NullSec Online, is going to have to incentivize players to want to go to null. That can only be done by wiping out high sec profitability and increasing null sec profitability.

So that is what the winter release will be about. CCP has been bleeding high sec by inches for a long time. But the bleeding will accelerate with the December release.

Dinsdale nailed it as usual. He's been right so many times in the past, it's hard not to trust his predictions this time too!

(But I think he forgot the Pandas - for nullbears only of course)

GǪother than Inferno, Retribution, and Odyssey GÇö all of which added more tools to the game than we've seen in a looong time.

What do you think the next expansion will be about?

Personally I'm hoping for something to rekindle my interest in this game.

Unfortunately all of the things I have been looking forward to seem to be firmly in the "soon" box with no hope of ever making it into the game (modular POS with interiors, comet mining, WiS).

I predict some minor tweaks and a "re-skinning" of an existing feature (production/ invention maybe)

GǪother than Inferno, Retribution, and Odyssey GÇö all of which added more tools to the game than we've seen in a looong time.

Boobies and more phallic shaped ships

i would appreciate .... walking out of Captains Quarter !

We'll be getting a bathroom in the CQ.

Why? Just pee off the balcony like I do.

I heard we will be able to grow wings on our pod and soar about inside the stations that we always see while ship spinning...

I suspect that a fair few of them are working on overhauling and rewriting back-end code--which is both the most difficult and tedious part of any developer's job, and the most thankless--and I suspect that there's enough of that to keep them slaving in the proverbial coal mines for a few years yet.

On the plus side, each system they redo yields them a new set of options. The winter expansion announcement will probably let us know what they're close to completing.

The only concrete detail I have, from one of the CSM threads, is that it will touch every part of EVE. So look beyond specific gameplay features and toward some of the basic features of the game. Industry, say.

+1% here, -1% there and some new texture.

This mostly sums it up. This game it is in a stagnant mode for some years now. We just haven't any new thing to do, it's like a mouse in a wheel running and running over and over again without any purpose.

Does anyone know if there is going to be an announcement made at Gamescon

Apparently yes. At least I keep reading it in threads about the forum, but I haven't actually seen any sources referenced. If anyone finds anything I would like to have a read myself, although it's probably a bit late if they actually release the expansion details over the next few days.

So, how about a highly sophisticated, but very reclusive, alien(npc) race in new yet undiscovered systems, with extremely powerful new technology that would take very organised and well prepared team to defeat? Aliens in Eve?!?! Yeah, right! pfffff!

The theme of the December release (for goodness sake's people, an expansion was Apochrypha, re-arranging deck chairs is not an expansion) will be announced in 3 or 5 days at GamesCom.

It will be focused on the continuing transfer of wealth generation from high sec to null sec, like the appropriation of a huge chunk of ice revenue and ore mining was. I fully expect to see the announcement of the beginning of the end of T2 mfg in high sec, and that null sec will eventually be the only place it can occur, which will dovetail nicely with the soon to be announced decimation of mfg and R&D station slots in high sec, and another order of magnitude in null sec station slots.

Before then, we will see the end of the Marauder as a mission boat as it is "re-balanced" into a PvP boat.
The command ship and command link nerfs hurts everyone, but no one more than incursion runners.
That is no co-incidence. And when CCP figures out the spaghetti code surrounding OGB's, that will also disappear with the winter release.

The cartels are issuing more propaganda about how they need renters to maintain their income streams. Frankly, the demand for rental space is unlikely to fill the space being offered, so CCP, in its ongoing efforts to turn Eve into NullSec Online, is going to have to incentivize players to want to go to null. That can only be done by wiping out high sec profitability and increasing null sec profitability.

So that is what the winter release will be about. CCP has been bleeding high sec by inches for a long time. But the bleeding will accelerate with the December release.

You mean Jove?

That was proposed million times, to open the Jove space, and make Jove race playable.

What do you think the next expansion will be about?

Personally I'm hoping for something to rekindle my interest in this game.

Unfortunately all of the things I have been looking forward to seem to be firmly in the "soon" box with no hope of ever making it into the game (modular POS with interiors, comet mining, WiS).

I predict some minor tweaks and a "re-skinning" of an existing feature (production/ invention maybe)

Nothing that appeared in the last 2 fanfests.



Inferno, Retribution and Odyssey were really nothing special. If you added all three of them together, that might more along the lines of a single decent expansion. On their own they are just stopgaps.

The theme of the December release (for goodness sake's people, an expansion was Apochrypha, re-arranging deck chairs is not an expansion) will be announced in 3 or 5 days at GamesCom.

It will be focused on the continuing transfer of wealth generation from high sec to null sec, like the appropriation of a huge chunk of ice revenue and ore mining was. I fully expect to see the announcement of the beginning of the end of T2 mfg in high sec, and that null sec will eventually be the only place it can occur, which will dovetail nicely with the soon to be announced decimation of mfg and R&D station slots in high sec, and another order of magnitude in null sec station slots.

Before then, we will see the end of the Marauder as a mission boat as it is "re-balanced" into a PvP boat.
The command ship and command link nerfs hurts everyone, but no one more than incursion runners.
That is no co-incidence. And when CCP figures out the spaghetti code surrounding OGB's, that will also disappear with the winter release.

The cartels are issuing more propaganda about how they need renters to maintain their income streams. Frankly, the demand for rental space is unlikely to fill the space being offered, so CCP, in its ongoing efforts to turn Eve into NullSec Online, is going to have to incentivize players to want to go to null. That can only be done by wiping out high sec profitability and increasing null sec profitability.

So that is what the winter release will be about. CCP has been bleeding high sec by inches for a long time. But the bleeding will accelerate with the December release.

Seagull announced the development theme for the next 2-3 years at this year's FanFest keynote IIRC.

You can find it on youtube, I believe.

These are all excellent ideas. I like your thinking, and I look forward to having the chance to vote for you for CSM9.

You shouldn't really compare EVE expansions directly to the exapnsions of other MMOs, which usually offer one expansion every 2-3 years. If you look at how much has changed in the last 2 years, I think that the total holds up pretty well against any other game expansion you care to name.

Why wait? Put them to CCP now and we can consign highsec to the scrapheap of history where it belongs.

Tirranid is correct. And is not in respect of other game, is in respect of what EVE development used to be.

One can get any pre-incarna expansion and do a comparation with any post-incarna one.

See Apocrypha: brought us:
- A brand new space type, WH, that promoted a new gameplay for small alliances and new in game communities
- A new, revolutionary, modular ship class to handle WH operations
- New industry layer related to this
- new NPC and AI and in general new PVE endgame
- new PVP opportunities and concepts (due to WH chatracteristics, and strategic cruisers roles.
- the ususal bunch of tweeks and fixes that now are sold as main feautures for the current expansions

Compare with Odissey:
- A silly and boring hacking minigame
- A so-called discovery scanner that is nothing but a blinking redesign of the same old scanner UI

And Apocrypha was a 3-months based expansion...

They sell us as "expansion", stuff that was used to be just only a minor side note in a true EVE expansion.

4 new destroyers and some new textures? wow, cool expansion... Instead Trinity alone brought in not only a total rewrite of the graphic engine but also 5 new classes of ships and 20 (TWENTY) new ships. All ships with new roles/functions, not just a copy of existing roles trought in just to give the impression of being at work (aka: T3 BC and new destoryers)

This is the difference. It's strategic. Even medicore expansions like Tyrannis, Dominion and Incursions were more relevant in EVE development and grow opportunities than the last ones.

The trouble with those "patches" (I wont use the word expansion), is that they gave us stuff that only affected a small portion of the player-base each time. Crucible gave us Time Dilation, Customs Offices, the New Nebular, the biggest contribution to V3 so far, implants on killmails, the tier 3 BCs as well as three racial captains quarters.

The previous three patches just don't compare to that. Almost every item on that list affected near enough everyone. And it had a bigger list of fixes and balancing than Inferno to boot.

Inferno we saw Factional Warfare rejig, and a change in the war dec mechanic that people are still crying out to have changed. The rest was balancing of ui fixes. Sure, I war dec, but the new system changed almost nothing for me.

It's pretty much the same story with every release after that. They're cool, but they're not expansions.

Can't go wrong with boobs... and...er... phallic objects, if that's your thing....

Earlier expansions included much more new content because it's much easier to build new content at the beginning of a game than at the end when there is already considerable structure and system. This is obvious?

Considering the number of ships in game already, we can't expect new ships. Other games add new content at the expense of the former regions of the game world becoming deserted.

It wouldn't be proper to steal the glory rightly due to the architect of EVE's renewal.

Dinsdale, if you run for CSM 9 I swear on my mother's life that I will vote for you with both my accounts, and tirelessly urge everyone I speak to to do the same.

Not going to happen.

I have read about the real life harassment that followed one of the previous champions of high sec that managed to get onto a previous CSM. (had to pull down her website, affected her personal life)

Are any of those 6 items going to be implemented? Not a chance.

What do you think the next expansion will be about?

GǪwhich is why Malc can be so confident in making that kind of promise.

Not going to happen.

What about the difference between Crucible and the last three expansions? Comparing the legendary Apocrypha to the last three may be a little extreme, but you can't say the same for Crucible. Crucible certainly contained more content than probably two of more of the previous three put together. If you didn't already see my post about that then it's below

3) Did you even watch Seagull's keynote presentation?

Yes bro, i watched Seagull's presentation. Btw, next time u talk to her, tell her to take a deep breath and lay off the emo factor before talking about "the vision" and the plan for a plan to have a plan for a plan again so maybe we can understand what the hell is that about

The difference is that Crucible didn't give us much content compared to the last three expansions: a couple of ships, some T2 modules and telling tasks not to give up so easily. It improved quality of life, but wasn't particularly heavy on actual stuff for the players.

Inferno gave us new wardec mechanics, an almost complete reintroduction of Factional Warfare, and a ton of ships; Retribution gave us new rat AI, new modules, Dust, and more ships than you can shake a stick at; Odyssey gave us yet more ships, exploration, a significant industry revamp, a massive skill revamp. Each on its own rivals Crucible and put together, they are definitely in the same league as Apocrypha.

You don't think maybe she was super nervous and passionate?

You don't think maybe she was super nervous and passionate?

perhaps she saw the seagulls natural enemy the bagel.... and got scurd.

...Odyssey gave us ... exploration ...

If you call "Hey look over here! The red square marks the spot! We even made setting up probes easier! And play our slot machine jackpot phat lewt spew too!" as exploration...

What do you think the next expansion will be about?

Personally I'm hoping for something to rekindle my interest in this game.

Unfortunately all of the things I have been looking forward to seem to be firmly in the "soon" box with no hope of ever making it into the game (modular POS with interiors, comet mining, WiS).

I predict some minor tweaks and a "re-skinning" of an existing feature (production/ invention maybe)

Compared to the previous iterations, I certainly would. You have to actually do some exploring now, even if it's not in spaceGǪ

Nervous and passionate?!?! Yes I get your point.. i think maybe i'd be a little nervous too if i was talking about exploration and colonization of space knowing that 2 month's later i'd be delivering such a trashy Odissey "expansion" like that....

Compared to the previous iterations, I certainly would. You have to actually do some exploring now, even if it's not in spaceGǪ

Come now, be sensible. What she was talking about was obviously not about an expansion that was due to be launched in a few weeks and which wasn't going to change much.

Believe what you like. We'll let the code do the talking.

Hats.

Winter Hats.

Which CSM rep would that be?

Not going to happen.
I have read about the real life harassment that followed one of the previous champions of high sec that managed to get onto a previous CSM. (had to pull down her website, affected her personal life)

I am not talking about some conspiracy to keep me off the CSM. Even CCP is not that Machiavellian.
I just know that I will speak out against the injustices being done to high sec some time in the future, and will get banned for it, and that will likely be soon.

Why would I want to endure all the ridicule, trolling, and ostracization that would occur from fighting against the CSM null sec cartel power bloc, plus any CCP employees who share their views on the direction of the game.

1. Total in-game asset freeze of not only any CSM individuals, and all their accounts, including a period up to 6 months after they leave the CSM.

tl/dr: Talk is cheap, Dinsdale. Have the courage of your convictions and run for CSM9. You might be surprised at how many people would vote for you.

High sec will always exist to some degree in Eve. But the ability to earn a "decent living" as a high sec player will be eradicated, as the cartels force CCP to move more and more wealth generation potential from high sec to null sec..(and not just high sec. The wormhole guys are in for a huge fight as null sec lobbies CCP to crush T3 ship capabilities, hammering demand for T3's and all T3 material.)

GǪand you have plenty of evidence and examples of this happening, I presume?

GǪand you have plenty of evidence and examples of this happening, I presume?

Sorry, I have learned long ago not to get into any discussion with you.

Sorry, I have learned long ago not to get into any discussion with you.

But I will leave you with this tidbit: I am sure you can spin the move of minimum 20% of the wealth generation in ice mining from high sec to null sec as something that was good for high sec casual ice miners.
Or when trit and pyerite prices dropped, when the null sec ore belts were buffed, that was also good for high sec miners.

Making highsec icebelts deplete and thus not able to sustain 100% of demand is probably the best thing that ever happened to them. An infinite resource was never a good idea, particularly one that could so easily be afked..

The only probable effect from making the low end minerals more readily available in nullsec has been to potentially make nullsec slightly less dependent on highsec for it's raw materials, although I would hazard a guess that exports of low ends to nullsec have seen very little change from the buff, with the recent large scale conflicts in null, they may well have increased by a minor amount.

But I will leave you with this tidbit: I am sure you can spin the move of minimum 20% of the wealth generation in ice mining from high sec to null sec as something that was good for high sec casual ice miners.
Or when trit and pyerite prices dropped, when the null sec ore belts were buffed, that was also good for high sec miners.

limited edition spaceshups bru

plus two new player factions

kittens, space kittens

What the fuu? tell me moar

so we are getting a tamagotchi for our CQ?

That is far to ambitious for CCP, an empty fish is more there level

That way they can "iterate" the fish bowl for the next 12 months.

Next expansion they can then add water, then 3 months later gravel, then a castle and so on

Of course we will get the fish swimming upside down bug.. then sideways, man they could make last a good couple of years

FW fixes, bug fixes, PROPER rebalancing of HACs...

Oh wait... you were asking what WOULD be in it. Sorry, my bad.

kittens, space kittens

For those who can't find it.

---

Dream with me here...

Think about space colonization.
Think about the space scale construction required to make it happen.
Think about building things.
Think about destroying things.
Think about the rise of the capsuleers, taking over what the empires used to control.

Imagine what you want to build in Eve Online, from missiles to an empire.
Imagine your corporation flying its own colours.
Imagine the might of your alliance, used to build up whole areas of space.

Think about raiding and stealing from your enemies.
Think about all of the opportunities for crafty capsuleers to make money and fame in this new era of colonization.
Think about home, and what that means to you.

And then imagine what could lie beyond the known, if only you could construct the right kind of Stargate.

---

Personally I thought CCP Seagull did an absolutely fantastic job.

emo speech - check G£ô

but wait... aren't those things in EVE already?!?! what exactly is new there?

as already said in this thread - words are just that.. WORDS. it's the actions that make the difference.

I am on stitches, will they give me a 36% discount again? Or will they go full 50%?

kittens, space kittens

Next expansion will be called "Excavation". CCP will promise to add vast amounts of mining-related content, but in the end all they will do is add the hacking minigame to mining.

I very dearly hope that the next expansion includes a new playable race: The Genetically Modified Slaver Hound Capsuleer. With the technology available and the ability to swap one's mind around, there's really no reason why we can't do this.

I would pay serious money to have this capability. Let me be a Slaver Hound!

Boulder dash style?

My opinion is that I (unlike a lot of people in this thread it seems)

ACTUALLY ENJOY PLAYING THE GAME!

I don't play in the expectation that in 6 months something new is going to come and keep me interested.


I've been playing for 4 years and I still haven't experienced everything to be done in this game that's already in here.

As long as they don't break EVE, I am more than happy for CCP to do whatever they feel is best for the game. Whether large content increases or desperately needed balancing iterations or just code fixing.


The game is good. I play it and love it.

The good thing about games like star citizen is that if they deliver on what they promise it'll put pressure of CCP to start delivering on its visions, or risk being left behind.

The good thing about games like star citizen is that it'll put pressure on CCP to start delivering on its visions, or risk being left behind.

You shouldn't really compare EVE expansions directly to the exapnsions of other MMOs, which usually offer one expansion every 2-3 years. If you look at how much has changed in the last 2 years, I think that the total holds up pretty well against any other game expansion you care to name.

If all you want is a massive changelog, then sure I guess CCP could have held all the development work for Crucible, Inferno and Retribution back and released it all with the Odyssey changes this April. Do you think that would be a better release model? I'd far rather have 25% now, another 25% in 6 months, another 25% 6 months after that and the rest 6 months after that than have to wait 2 years for the whole lot at once just for the sake of an "epic" patchlist.

Go star citizen, show CCP what space game should be about.

To be honest I am not sure if it was even confirmed by CCP, but I was under the impression that details of the next expansion would be announced at Gamescom. With it approaching 7pm in Germany on the last day I doubt anything big would be announced this late.

Perhaps I missed something, but I am wondering if there was even supposed to be something at all with all posts saying there would be.

limited edition spaceshups bru

plus two new player factions

All they said beforehand about Gamescom was "a major announcement".

It was EVE: Valkyrie, disappointingly.

The mining minigame will require players to manually stack and sort every m3 of ore in their holds. Veldspar will have a nice square shape and will fit easily, but the more lucrative ores will have bizarre shapes that do not stack easily. This will be paired with WiS, so you'll have to get out of your cockpit and walk down to the ore bay and sort the ore as it comes into the bay. You can only sort 1 m3 of ore at a time, and every m3 of ore you can't click in time is ejected and lost forever.

inb4 CCP's answer:

- Sorry, no can do. Genetically modified slaver hound chars are exclusive to CSM and Nullbear block members.

kittens, space kittens

What do you think the next expansion will be about?

Personally I'm hoping for something to rekindle my interest in this game.

Unfortunately all of the things I have been looking forward to seem to be firmly in the "soon" box with no hope of ever making it into the game (modular POS with interiors, comet mining, WiS).

I predict some minor tweaks and a "re-skinning" of an existing feature (production/ invention maybe)

Mining, they will rework mining to a different but equal boring and "makes you blow your brains out" experience.

Dream with me here guyz:


Think about if CCP pulled its **** together.

Imagine... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLgYAHHkPFs

*disk scratch*

Imagine Hillmar would train Leadership V and take the tough choice of going ahead with his project for the game and not listen to crybabies, flinch and back down from his plans.
...-¿*GÇó