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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Luna Wolf Industries Dark Tide Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.08.22 13:59:00 -
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Andracin wrote:I look at it in organized crime terms. If Im shaking down a gas station owner for money and he pays me what good does it do for me to shoot him? The next guy guy I shake down probably isn't going to pay if he hears about the first. If your in a location in low sec long enough your reputation proceeds you, especially with repeat vic...er customers.
For me I enjoy low sec around FW areas because there is almost always instant pvp as soon as I log in. I don't gank people in plexes to be a deuche. I do it because Im looking for a fight. There have been several times I've talked with my victims after and the polite ones usually end up getting ships, isk and adivce on things from fittings to tactics. Im not alone one of my corp mates fit and gave away an incursus to a guy he had just killed who had only played for a week.
:D I stand by the friendly-follow-up as being a great recruiting tool - especially for newer pilots that like to can-flip/loot other people's assets without understanding the risk they are exposing themselves to by doing so. As I'm not really a "pirate" or any good @ PVP these opportunities are rare ... but man oh man, the sweet taste of justice ...
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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Luna Wolf Industries Dark Tide Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.08.22 14:06:00 -
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My earliest experience with pirate honor takes me back to my first ship-loss at the hands of Deadspace Oblivion. I was coming through a hi-sec stargate and found a Gnosis next to a wrecked Venture and the floating corpse... being a new pilot, the temptation was too much to resist. So, I aligned to a planet on the far side of the corpse and moved in for the lootz.
I got the corpse but not much further before being blown up ... shocking, I know.
Not long after that a chat window opened up with Oblivion Deadspace lol'ing at my stupidity :D We chatted for a bit on the honor of "the noble pirate" ... what happened next blew my mind - he sent me 10M ISK and gave my salvaged mods back etc
I realize that this is not the norm and that I did not deserve his charity - I did learn a valuable lesson "Gnosis beats Venture, everytime. Don't be a spacetard" |

Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1462
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Posted - 2013.08.22 14:36:00 -
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Finding that the person who murdered you can be friendly and helpful and willing to give advice is actually quite common in both highsec and lowsec piracy. It's just that people are often too busy calling you a sociopath in order to take advantage of it. Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity |

Baaldor
Capsuleer Outfitters Easily Excited
72
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Posted - 2013.08.22 14:46:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:Finding that the person who murdered you can be friendly and helpful and willing to give advice is actually quite common in both highsec and lowsec piracy. It's just that people are often too busy calling you a sociopath in order to take advantage of it.
This^^
The local spurge rants, "wishing my anus would seal shut causing my death from intestinal blockage" is quite entertaining.
It does not however lend to any sort of motivation to strike up a conversation about "hey next time you may want to...." |

Lugia3
Pirates Incorporated
542
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Posted - 2013.08.22 15:42:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Lugia3 wrote:Honor is bad for business.  When you grow up
You do not know my age. It is easily possible that I'm older than you.
Anyway, that all depends on your outlook of being a pirate. Mine is more geared towards tear extraction. Killing someone after they pay up usually provides fresh tears. Yarr |

Etuura Zellis
The Tuskers
39
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:15:00 -
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Sky' Darkstar wrote: Gotcha, and fully understood. It's the "pirate honor" concept that is lost on me.
I can completely get the business perspective.
I think you've missed something here, it's the concept of honor that seems lost on you. Certain activities can't even be attributed as honorable or not because there's not enough of an interaction between participants for it to be relevant. Additionally certain piracy activities are inherently dishonorable by nature, ie. corporate theft. Being able to give someone your word and have them trust you will actually follow through is invaluable particularly with regards to activities that require repeat business to be succesfull. "Pirate honor" isn't what you think it is, it's more about reputation then anything else. |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
2638
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:23:00 -
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The distinction is in keeping one's word.
A person can be of questionable morals, willing to break the rules, blow you up, or steal your stuff on a daily basis, and still be true to his word. Such a person can be a valuable and even trustworthy ally.
But a person that will break his word is not one you ever want to give roles to. He places no value in his promises, why should you?
At this point, it might be worth drawing the distinction between telling a lie and keeping one's word, but that's an advanced class in morality.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |

Zappity
Kurved Space
305
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Posted - 2013.08.22 20:26:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:Zappity wrote:Lugia3 wrote:Honor is bad for business.  When you grow up You do not know my age. It is easily possible that I'm older than you. Anyway, that all depends on your outlook of being a pirate. Mine is more geared towards tear extraction. Killing someone after they pay up usually provides fresh tears.
You'll also learn that maturity and age don't necessarily correlate. But I guess all this is irrelevant for your play style anyway. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |

Darvaleth Sigma
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Innovia Alliance
327
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Posted - 2013.08.22 22:09:00 -
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Some people want a KM more than they want ISK, so they won't honour a ransom. Of course, if they could also make some ISK out of the situation... why not both?
People get annoyed at the non-honour pirates because it affects the general view. Today, more than ever before, I'd say the general consensus is ransoms should never be paid, and that once a pirate has got you nothing is going to stop it short of a Titan missclick. Capsuleers adopt the "no negotiation" policy, and honoured ransoms are very rare. People who try to make money out of ransoms are obviously going to be pissed when nobody believes them and never pay up... Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.
Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life! |

El Zeta
Industrias del Norte
6
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Posted - 2013.08.23 01:51:00 -
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Darvaleth Sigma wrote:Some people want a KM more than they want ISK, so they won't honour a ransom. Of course, if they could also make some ISK out of the situation... why not both?
People get annoyed at the non-honour pirates because it affects the general view. Today, more than ever before, I'd say the general consensus is ransoms should never be paid, and that once a pirate has got you nothing is going to stop it short of a Titan missclick. Capsuleers adopt the "no negotiation" policy, and honoured ransoms are very rare. People who try to make money out of ransoms are obviously going to be pissed when nobody believes them and never pay up...
How can they get pissed? if you pay I let you go if you don't I blow you up.
My game is being done my way at that moment, and the victim has a decision to make quick either way the victim is not playing it's game but my game and at the end dead or on their way the pirate wins. |

Tara Read
The Bastards Shadow Cartel
559
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Posted - 2013.08.23 06:46:00 -
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El Zeta wrote:edit: Tara you are my hero! 
T..thanks? Lol  Visit my blog for all the latest in jeers and tears as well as news at hoistthecolors.org |

Johnny Twelvebore
The Tuskers
14
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:18:00 -
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Singing ransom, best ransom.
The old Bastards website had some classics on there, you guys should get that site back up.. Bloody hell, another eve blog! http://johnnytwelvebore.wordpress.com |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
150

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Posted - 2013.08.23 19:07:00 -
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Post that was discriminatory has been removed.
Forum rule 6. Racism and discrimination are prohibited. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Brink Albosa
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
10
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Posted - 2013.08.23 20:01:00 -
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I honor all ransoms, because they are never offered.  |

Tengu Grib
Liberation Army
0
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Posted - 2013.09.06 22:51:00 -
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lol, i love the low sec pvpers who claim to be pirates
all day gate camping, killing everything that comes through (200 frigs and the occasional hauler)
yet no ransoms, honourable or not
and also no "eject from ship" "eject cargo"
nope, simple kill this, kill that.... thats not piracy, that is PVP |

SB Rico
205
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Posted - 2013.09.07 04:50:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Comrade Answers wrote:Follow up questions:
Is low sec piracy still a thing? Can you turn off smartbomb cycle fast enough to demand ransom?
Lowsec piracy is in a bad way at the moment unless you pick one of a small number of systems where it is effective. Doing this might involve dislodging an entity that are already there. Jump freighters in particular, and ore compression to a lesser extent, drastically reduce the amount of vulnerable slow ships travelling through lowsec. Exploration changes in Odyssey partially improved this, but they don't encourage people to fly expensive ships in lowsec. Whilst you will occasionally catch someone with valuable cargo, it's not that often. Highsec piracy is better as there is just much more prey. As for smartbombs - ask one of the experts in Rancer local. Make sure to enter via Crilere (sp) so you live long enough to ask.
Rancer is a safe and secure system, those of us in the united are dedicated to offering a safe environment for all high value cargos to travel in ease and comfort quickly between trade hubs.
We also honor ransoms, not that we offer any because we obviously don't believe in attacking people
Oh and yeah the whole honor thing with ransoms is not so much about being honorable it is just good business, most of the big pirate alliances will instruct pilots who fail to honor ransoms to repay isk or face removal from the corp. Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.
Killing me should be for free. |

Antony E Stark
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2013.09.07 15:48:00 -
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Let's put it this way, if I was ransomed by The Bastards or anyone in Shadow Cartel for that matter I would pay it - because I know they will honour it. Anyone else, I'd probably not pay.
"Honour" = Good business = Profit.
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