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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:59:00 -
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In all of my years, I have not seen such abuse from Congress. If an attempt from Congress to pass something failed because of pressure from the people, it was dropped and forgot, but this is the first time I've seen Congress repeatedly try to slip something past us like this.
Is the government of the people, by the people, (no longer) for the people?
If you're a U.S. citizen, consider signing this petition. Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
39820
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Posted - 2013.08.25 17:21:00 -
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Oh don't worry. They won't be able to vote on it anyway.
They are apparently going to shut down Congress next month over ObamaCare anyway.................
........................AGAIN !!!!! (as well) |
Sheimi Madaveda
Arma Purgatorium Templis Dragonaors
6355
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Posted - 2013.08.25 17:52:00 -
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Oh Boy! Government at its finest gentlemen. Arma Purgatorium - For the State, For the Corporation Faction Warfare, PvP, Industrial - Open for Recruiting http://armapurgatorium.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/arpur_recruit1.png-á |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
39858
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Posted - 2013.08.25 18:13:00 -
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A literal circus carousel - round and round we go......without even a golden ring to grab. |
Eurydia Vespasian
Nova Insula Mining and Industrial
4185
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Posted - 2013.08.25 18:42:00 -
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government should go back to doing things like they are depicted in "lincoln." where senators and representatives openly insult one another on the floor, conniving and wheedling votes this way and that.
ok, so it's probably still like that...without the open insults. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
39864
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Posted - 2013.08.25 18:44:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:government should go back to doing things like they are depicted in "lincoln." where senators and representatives openly insult one another on the floor, conniving and wheedling votes this way and that.
ok, so it's probably still like that...without the open insults.
When Obama was speaking in front of it once, I believe a few shouted out "LIAR !!!" at one time. |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
32895
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Posted - 2013.08.25 19:46:00 -
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Pretty certain Franklin said something about periodic revolutions to throw off the yolk of a centralised Imperialistic government that ruled for itself, not the people.
Or is because Obama is half black he doesn't get the same treatment Bush did for pulling the same ****
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Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.08.25 22:52:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:Pretty certain Franklin said something about periodic revolutions to throw off the yolk of a centralised Imperialistic government that ruled for itself, not the people. Or is because Obama is half black he doesn't get the same treatment Bush did for pulling the same ****
That was Thomas Jefferson "A little revolution every now and then is a good thing" or something close to that. |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
32903
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Posted - 2013.08.25 22:58:00 -
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Oopsie, wrong one. I can see very well why the founders of the US are revered as intelectual men, giving they were writing the epitome of what it meant to be British down pen to paper. Its a pity they weren't on this side of the Atlantic really, finish what they started, but C'est la vie.
And Franklin is best Founder
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
39907
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Posted - 2013.08.25 23:04:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:Oopsie, wrong one. I can see very well why the founders of the US are revered as intelectual men, giving they were writing the epitome of what it meant to be British down pen to paper. Its a pity they weren't on this side of the Atlantic really, finish what they started, but C'est la vie. And Franklin is best Founder
Read his short and hilarious autobiography if you get a chance. For an American writer I feel he was precursor to Mark Twain. |
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
1554
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Posted - 2013.08.26 00:23:00 -
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Only one way to fix it-- git a rope! |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
39935
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Posted - 2013.08.26 00:26:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Only one way to fix it-- git a rope!
Yeah. Those would actually help too with the randomly murdering children who kill tourists and WWII vets.
Most indeed. And publicly too. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
1555
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Posted - 2013.08.26 00:37:00 -
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Actually sociologists do talk about the problem of punishment of crimes happening in isolation, without public awareness. Apparently socially shaming and blaming is a big deterrent, both for the convicted person and for people who might be thinking like him.
Examples: Lakota Native American solution-- Drive the offender 10 or so miles out, let them do a walk of shame home. West African solution-- Offender shaming day in a soccer (football) stadium. The get lashes , but no prison term. Next day they're back in the community, and the community self-enforces or forgives, depending on how things work out. |
Cynter DeVries
Spheroidal Projections
592
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Posted - 2013.08.26 01:00:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Actually sociologists do talk about the problem of punishment of crimes happening in isolation, without public awareness. Apparently socially shaming and blaming is a big deterrent, both for the convicted person and for people who might be thinking like him. Examples: Lakota Native American solution-- Drive the offender 10 or so miles out, let them do a walk of shame home. West African solution-- Offender shaming day in a soccer (football) stadium. The get lashes , but no prison term. Next day they're back in the community, and the community self-enforces or forgives, depending on how things work out. +1 for bringing back public pillories. |
Graygor
1kB Realty 1kB Galactic
54280
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:42:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote:In all of my years, I have not seen such abuse from Congress. If an attempt from Congress to pass something failed because of pressure from the people, it was dropped and forgot, but this is the first time I've seen Congress repeatedly try to slip something past us like this. Is the government of the people, by the people, (no longer) for the people? If you're a U.S. citizen, consider signing this petition.
Its said a lot but follows true. Follow the money. Who stands to gain the most from this and find the obvious choices. Then look at the share holders and wade through the speaking chairs and find those actually pulling the strings.
In this case there would be a lot of cash coming from various palaces in the UAE as theyve been buying into media in an overhand and underhand way through third parties since the 90s.
What they stand to gain is anyones guess.
And +1 for public shaming of criminals. Although im a strong advocate for innocent until proven guilty which is why those accused should be kept secret until verdict is delivered.
Trial by media seems to be the new form of justice, as mob rule just with an expensive haircut. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commisar Kate |
Kyseth
Touring New Eden
48
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Posted - 2013.08.26 18:35:00 -
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Graygor wrote:Trial by media seems to be the new form of justice, as mob rule just with an expensive haircut.
Sad but true.
I'm not sure which part is worse, the fact that we have gotten to the point where we have "trial by media" as Graygor perfectly put it, or the fact that it exists because both the broadcasters and the audience largely believe it's entertainment.
People are quick to judge those on trial; forming their own opinions that are popularized by not just media "newscasts" but facebook, twitter, youtube, and any other method for Joe Random to get likes on their point of view. I wonder how entertaining this would be for people if they had to watch the sentence for those on trial. I don't mean the feel good of watching the guy be pronounced guilty... I mean sitting in and watching the guy get strapped to the table before a lethal injection or to watch him melt away in prison --either to watch his former life slip away day by day or simply to be shived violently in the shower.
Anyway, I now return you to the thread already in progress. |
Grimpak
Duty. The Cursed Few
1075
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Posted - 2013.08.26 18:51:00 -
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Graygor wrote:Trial by media seems to be the new form of justice, as mob rule just with an expensive haircut.
Mass media is the 4th power, don't forget that.
anyways, as I'm sick and tired of seeing in my country: current western world needs a political shakeup the size of.. well, maybe several nuclear payloads. And it might be closer than we think, if we are to believe in cliodynamics.
FYI, cliodynamics is a proposed multidisciplinary field that encompases sociology, mathematics and history to... "predict" the future. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
33267
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Posted - 2013.08.26 19:10:00 -
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Graygor wrote: Trial by media seems to be the new form of justice, as mob rule just with an expensive haircut.
Agree on this one, the reaction to the Media failing to convict Zimmerman was pretty revealing as to how their internal story works.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
40447
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Posted - 2013.08.26 19:36:00 -
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Graygor wrote:
Trial by media seems to be the new form of justice, as mob rule just with an expensive haircut.
............but still looks like a home-crafted fauxhawk anyway. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
40447
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Posted - 2013.08.26 19:38:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:Graygor wrote:Trial by media seems to be the new form of justice, as mob rule just with an expensive haircut. Mass media is the 4th power, don't forget that.
People do indeed forget Shakespeare's plays were quite politically volatile towards the Monarchy etc. back in the day.
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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
164
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Posted - 2013.08.26 20:18:00 -
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The Stop SOPA 2013 petition still needs about 20K signatures (as of this post) to pass muster. Please consider signing, if you're a U.S. citizen, and tell your friends and co-workers about what Congress is trying to pull on us - again. Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
33278
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Posted - 2013.08.26 20:39:00 -
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Unfortunately as a Brit I have no democratic say over how the US intends to rule the internet for its own benefit.
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Kyseth
Touring New Eden
49
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Posted - 2013.08.26 21:15:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:Unfortunately as a Brit I have no democratic say over how the US intends to rule the internet for its own benefit.
This sounds like a job for... a U.S. Alt! |
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
164
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Posted - 2013.08.26 21:37:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:Unfortunately as a Brit I have no democratic say over how the US intends to rule the internet for its own benefit.
My understanding is that the British government - and the Euro union (or whatever you guys call it) are trying to pass similar measures.
I really think it's time to dust off our pitch-forks and get our torches ready for an angry mob scene in front of our respective government offices or something..... Maybe I'll give money to the Electronic Frontier Foundation...
I don't know what else to do. I, along with hundreds of thousands (perhaps a couple million) Americans sent letters to our respective Congress persons, decrying their attempts at this at least twice that I can remember. They're simply brushing us aside and giving their ears and lending their political power to the two or three with the money. I can't see it any other way.... Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Grimpak
Duty. The Cursed Few
1076
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Posted - 2013.08.26 22:08:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote:Kirjava wrote:Unfortunately as a Brit I have no democratic say over how the US intends to rule the internet for its own benefit. My understanding is that the British government - and the Euro union (or whatever you guys call it) are trying to pass similar measures. I really think it's time to dust off our pitch-forks and get our torches ready for an angry mob scene in front of our respective government offices or something..... Maybe I'll give money to the Electronic Frontier Foundation... I don't know what else to do. I, along with hundreds of thousands (perhaps a couple million) Americans sent letters to our respective Congress persons, decrying their attempts at this at least twice that I can remember. They're simply brushing us aside and giving their ears and lending their political power to the two or three with the money. I can't see it any other way.... issue here is, there's pretty much a "CBA" attitude around this mainly because even if it passes on the EU, it doesn't mean that all the countries need to implement it. there has been several cases in the past where certain laws didn't go past the paper they were written on because of it. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Adunh Slavy
1224
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Posted - 2013.08.27 14:29:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote:In all of my years, I have not seen such abuse from Congress.
This sort of thing happens all the time. You are the frog in the pot. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
baltec1
Bat Country
7706
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Posted - 2013.08.27 14:40:00 -
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At least our lot do get to throw insults at eachother in PMQs. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2010
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Posted - 2013.08.27 14:47:00 -
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Graygor wrote: Trial by media seems to be the new form of justice, as mob rule just with an expensive haircut.
Sadly, this is not new. Trial by public opinion has been around a long time - from about the time when there were more than three people, I figure - and as long as there have been news sources, those sources have manipulated the message.
Pillory is good, I think. And that should include anyone found slanting the news. Fox News and CNN will each get their own public square for this purpose.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Graygor
1kB Realty 1kB Galactic
54834
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Posted - 2013.08.27 14:53:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Graygor wrote: Trial by media seems to be the new form of justice, as mob rule just with an expensive haircut.
Sadly, this is not new. Trial by public opinion has been around a long time - from about the time when there were more than three people, I figure - and as long as there have been news sources, those sources have manipulated the message. Pillory is good, I think. And that should include anyone found slanting the news. Fox News and CNN will each get their own public square for this purpose.
I second this motion. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commisar Kate |
Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
64
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:02:00 -
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Quote:Discussion of real life politics is not permitted on the EVE Online forums.
Locked.
Funny, that was posted in another thread when it was about English politics. Yet when it comes to the US congress.... Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought. |
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