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Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
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Posted - 2013.08.27 03:19:00 -
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I resubbed after taking a five month break and noticed that minerals have crashed? What is going on? What I've read is that CCP nerfed ice mining, so AFK miners are now mining minerals. And null sec got buffed with extra minerals. Is this right? |
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
269
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Posted - 2013.08.27 03:58:00 -
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Yes. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2013.08.27 08:46:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I resubbed after taking a five month break and noticed that minerals have crashed? What is going on? What I've read is that CCP nerfed ice mining, so AFK miners are now mining minerals. And null sec got buffed with extra minerals. Is this right?
Freefall is an exaggeration imo. Yes they've dropped, both due to the fact that it's summer and the fact that they got rebalanced:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/resource-companion-blog#ORE
I think it's a step in the right though, paying 150 mil for a battleship is outrageous.
My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives. |
PhatController
Mum Rider Alliance
Abandon PlayGrounds
35
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Posted - 2013.08.27 12:21:00 -
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Mining barge changes probably also increased the the amount of ore being mined, it also particularly rewards Boters with the new huge ore bays. |
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
45
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Posted - 2013.08.27 15:28:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I resubbed after taking a five month break and noticed that minerals have crashed? What is going on? What I've read is that CCP nerfed ice mining, so AFK miners are now mining minerals. And null sec got buffed with extra minerals. Is this right?
Yes CCP added more tritanium & pyerite to the rocks in nullsec which has turned out to be a waste of time for nullsec industry. Without adding more mexallon to the rocks, which CCP will not do as that would make null self-sufficient & independent, the old method of shipping in minerals as railguns is far more efficient. CCP shot themselves in the foot again and stabbed miners in the back.
Ideally CCP would reverse this change to nullsec rocks as it is useless and has disrupted the market. But I don't expect that will happen. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
41036
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Posted - 2013.08.27 16:24:00 -
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Null Sec Ores were buffed for their High sec Mineral content.
Null Alliances do not need to rely on High Sec for them at all now.
Ice belts in high sec contain only 2500 cubes per spawn. After depleted, 4 hours till next spawn. This drastically reduces the amount available to market especially since 23/7 botting is now destroyed.
Switched to Ice Mining back in April and am making a fortune especially with fuel blocks. I'm never looking back. |
Zetaomega333
HIFI INDUSTRIAL
The Kadeshi
42
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Posted - 2013.08.28 06:00:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Null Sec Ores were buffed for their High sec Mineral content.
Null Alliances do not need to rely on High Sec for them at all now.
Ice belts in high sec contain only 2500 cubes per spawn. After depleted, 4 hours till next spawn. This drastically reduces the amount available to market especially since 23/7 botting is now destroyed.
Switched to Ice Mining back in April and am making a fortune especially with fuel blocks. I'm never looking back.
This mineral called mexallon would like to have a word with you. I find myself able to farm all the rest of the minerals for capitals/hulls cept the mex, i regularlly ship down 10-30million mex |
Sabriz Adoudel
Oppan Ganknam Style
697
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Posted - 2013.08.28 10:11:00 -
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Minerals have dropped because noone is building battleships any more (except for the old tier 3 ones) because of the Odyssey changes to the number of minerals used to produce them.
Miner euthanization expert. An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front.
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Takanuro
Space-Brewery-Association
24eme Legion Etrangere
37
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Posted - 2013.08.28 11:01:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Minerals have dropped because noone is building battleships any more (except for the old tier 3 ones) because of the Odyssey changes to the number of minerals used to produce them.
Adding to this, a lot of dreads and carriers were built and rigged with the Large T2 rigs before the Capital rigs were introduced. Not sure how much effect this has had, but I guess all the factors mentioned so far add up to create the big changes you have noticed.
Yes, we're going to die, but you're coming with us!
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Luna Fumarisa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:53:00 -
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I was thinking about buying an Orca. Saw them for 620M Jita buy early last week. Just noticed order completing for 585M.
Are low-end mineral costs that significant for larger hulls? How low do you think tri and pyerite can drop?
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1163
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:53:00 -
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:I resubbed after taking a five month break and noticed that minerals have crashed? What is going on? What I've read is that CCP nerfed ice mining, so AFK miners are now mining minerals. And null sec got buffed with extra minerals. Is this right? Yes CCP added more tritanium & pyerite to the rocks in nullsec which has turned out to be a waste of time for nullsec industry. Without adding more mexallon to the rocks, which CCP will not do as that would make null self-sufficient & independent, the old method of shipping in minerals as railguns is far more efficient. CCP shot themselves in the foot again and stabbed miners in the back. Ideally CCP would reverse this change to nullsec rocks as it is useless and has disrupted the market. But I don't expect that will happen.
You seriously don't think that CCP doesn't cater to every whim that the null sec cartels have?
I read the comments about how mex is still out of whack and how all the null sec babies are whining because they don't have independence from high sec yet.
I am sure that terrible yoke that null sec wears will be removed with the December iteration.
At that same time, CCP is going to give another gift that is far far more lavish than "balancing" mex.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning.
The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Lambert Simnel
PWLS Enterprises
20
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Posted - 2013.08.28 14:53:00 -
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Luna Fumarisa wrote:Are low-end mineral costs that significant for larger hulls? How low do you think tri and pyerite can drop?
Basically yes which is why the compression and export of low ends from high sec to null was (and still is) significant. However I think the recent buff to null sec mining isn't the only explanation for the drop in mineral prices. A couple of supercap producers in null tell me that even after the buff they still import approximately 75% of their minerals from high sec so I think the concept of true 'independence' is a little over inflated. Still, it's actually nice to see things get cheaper again. |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2013.08.28 16:16:00 -
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All the nullbears who got kicked out of their homes recently are dumping their stocks for quick cash.
Bokononist
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
373
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Posted - 2013.08.28 18:07:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I resubbed after taking a five month break and noticed that minerals have crashed? What is going on? What I've read is that CCP nerfed ice mining, so AFK miners are now mining minerals. And null sec got buffed with extra minerals. Is this right?
According to my spreadsheet, since mid June, the mineral index as derived from the (pre-rebalance) mineral requirements to build 1 Raven (thanks to Tau Cabalander, who I think was the one who suggested that to me as the basis for an index, wen I asked), has dropped by around 7.5%.
That's sligtly ungood, but the change has been fairly steady, instead of abrupt, and in the grand scheme of things it's a small change. |
Logical Chaos
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
35
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Posted - 2013.08.28 18:48:00 -
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I mine myself, so my minerals are free anyway! Can't get any cheaper than that!!! |
Alberik
Eusebius Corporation
23
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Posted - 2013.08.28 19:04:00 -
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Logical Chaos wrote:I mine myself, so my minerals are free anyway! Can't get any cheaper than that!!!
ever tried ore can theft? |
Logical Chaos
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
35
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Posted - 2013.08.28 19:43:00 -
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Alberik wrote:Logical Chaos wrote:I mine myself, so my minerals are free anyway! Can't get any cheaper than that!!! ever tried ore can theft?
I thought this has basically been removed with the larger Ore Bays on Barges?  |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
373
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Posted - 2013.08.28 20:25:00 -
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Logical Chaos wrote:Alberik wrote:Logical Chaos wrote:I mine myself, so my minerals are free anyway! Can't get any cheaper than that!!! ever tried ore can theft? I thought this has basically been removed with the larger Ore Bays on Barges?
One reason to use ore cans, if solo mining, is if the asteroids are far from the warp-in point, like 40-80 km, as in some security mission sites. And they make sense to use in group mining ops. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Oppan Ganknam Style
708
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Posted - 2013.08.28 23:36:00 -
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Takanuro wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Minerals have dropped because noone is building battleships any more (except for the old tier 3 ones) because of the Odyssey changes to the number of minerals used to produce them. Adding to this, a lot of dreads and carriers were built and rigged with the Large T2 rigs before the Capital rigs were introduced. Not sure how much effect this has had, but I guess all the factors mentioned so far add up to create the big changes you have noticed.
Yeah that's true too, hadn't considered that factor. There's also the recent battlecruiser balancing which caused huge stockpiling - in short, there are literally enormous stockpiles of many of the ships that use the largest amounts of minerals to build.
If there's say 250 trillion ISK worth of additional battleship builds that happened pre-Odyssey (which is only about a million hulls, it could even be more), and 150 trillion ISK of capitals, and 100 trillion ISK of battlecruisers left in stockpiles from the previous balance pass, that would explain a major depression in demand now.
Miner euthanization expert. An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. |
Antony E Stark
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:16:00 -
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Logical Chaos wrote:I mine myself, so my minerals are free anyway! Can't get any cheaper than that!!!
You're either a troll or stupid, I haven't decided which yet.
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Antony E Stark
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:22:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Takanuro wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Minerals have dropped because noone is building battleships any more (except for the old tier 3 ones) because of the Odyssey changes to the number of minerals used to produce them. Adding to this, a lot of dreads and carriers were built and rigged with the Large T2 rigs before the Capital rigs were introduced. Not sure how much effect this has had, but I guess all the factors mentioned so far add up to create the big changes you have noticed. Yeah that's true too, hadn't considered that factor. There's also the recent battlecruiser balancing which caused huge stockpiling - in short, there are literally enormous stockpiles of many of the ships that use the largest amounts of minerals to build. If there's say 250 trillion ISK worth of additional battleship builds that happened pre-Odyssey (which is only about a million hulls, it could even be more), and 150 trillion ISK of capitals, and 100 trillion ISK of battlecruisers left in stockpiles from the previous balance pass, that would explain a major depression in demand now.
This.
Patch notes, mineral rebalance, dump stock or build like mad, attempt to sell, flooded market, massive stockpile, low price.
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Ginger Barbarella
State Protectorate
Caldari State
1467
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:22:00 -
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Antony E Stark wrote:Logical Chaos wrote:I mine myself, so my minerals are free anyway! Can't get any cheaper than that!!! You're either a troll or stupid, I haven't decided which yet.
Yeah!! Demand he show us how far his wallet drops every time his mining lazor cycles!!! I DEMAND a screen cap!!
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Eddi Arthie
Periplanetics Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.08.31 11:45:00 -
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A good point at Wikipedia: Opportunity costs:
"Thus, opportunity costs are not restricted to monetary or financial costs: the real cost of output forgone, lost time, pleasure or any other benefit that provides utility should also be considered opportunity costs".
Mining is so much fun!
Pff...Mimaf! |
Markus Navarro
Osmon Integrated Robotics
74
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Posted - 2013.09.01 04:15:00 -
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My guess woulda been many people stopped Ice Mining and resorted to munching asteroids
I sell drones and drones accessories. |
Kyshonuba
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.09.01 13:50:00 -
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As we are speaking, the next round of stock piling is probably in its latter stages ...... i mean the Tech1 industrial rebalancing changes. Although i dont know the know the new numbers of blue print and mineral cost and haven't found them anywhere in the forums.
Markus Navarro wrote:My guess woulda been many people stopped Ice Mining and resorted to munching asteroids
Null sec corps seems to be more interesseted in renting space these days. So if there is a bigger supply in minerals i would guess it comes out of renter space. But only the barge gankers may know exactly if there is an increased number of roid afk miners in high sec. |
Logical Chaos
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
40
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Posted - 2013.09.01 18:52:00 -
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Antony E Stark wrote:Logical Chaos wrote:I mine myself, so my minerals are free anyway! Can't get any cheaper than that!!! You're either a troll or stupid, I haven't decided which yet.
To answer it: Yeah, fishing for the Captain Obviouses of S&I Forums obviously.
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Yeah!! Demand he show us how far his wallet drops every time his mining lazor cycles!!! I DEMAND a screen cap!!
I can probably fix such a screenshot for you!
Eddi Arthie wrote:A good point at Wikipedia: Opportunity costs:
"Thus, opportunity costs are not restricted to monetary or financial costs: the real cost of output forgone, lost time, pleasure or any other benefit that provides utility should also be considered opportunity costs".
Mining is so much fun!
Pff...Mimaf!
Mmmmm dat pleasure.
Kyshonuba wrote:As we are speaking, the next round of stock piling is probably in its latter stages ...... i mean the Tech1 industrial rebalancing changes. Although i dont know the know the new numbers of blue print and mineral cost and haven't found them anywhere in the forums.
Null sec corps seems to be more interesseted in renting space these days. So if there is a bigger supply in minerals i would guess it comes out of renter space. But only the barge gankers may know exactly if there is an increased number of roid afk miners in high sec.
To post something productive: No mineral changes have been announced as far as I know but I cannot be arsed to check on the test server. |
Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
826
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Posted - 2013.09.01 23:39:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I resubbed after taking a five month break and noticed that minerals have crashed? What is going on? What I've read is that CCP nerfed ice mining, so AFK miners are now mining minerals. And null sec got buffed with extra minerals. Is this right?
It's all part of the new "resource rebalance" and making sure more mins are available everywhere. Good news for the "Supply" side of things.
Bad news is, not much in the way of a corresponding "Demand" increase but that's to be expected since the cries for more mins began during the heyday of the massive cap production boom.
Fast forward to present day and, well, the drop in Orca and freighter prices (even with losses due to ganking) also shows that we're up to our hips in increasingly cheap mins.
Add to that the fact that barges are safer to fly than ever, and one could begin to make a case for economic stagnation.
Or not.
Great time to buy cheap mins, though, if you're a "silver lining" kind of guy.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Logical Chaos
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
40
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Posted - 2013.09.02 07:24:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:
Great time to buy cheap mins, though, if you're a "silver lining" kind of guy.
I strongly disagree, since they are still dropping lower.
Unless this is a manipulation attempt! In that case I strongly second your statement and recommend anyone to buy some "cheap" minerals. Now is the time to go all in! |
P3po
Treasures Collectors.
28
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Posted - 2013.09.03 08:44:00 -
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They are also boosting gravimetrics sites in 0.0 (new ore composition + 5% ores in higher security systems gravimetrics) .... so can we expect even further mineral drop ? |
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