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Macro Slasher
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Posted - 2006.01.03 12:29:00 -
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That's what you get for mining alone in a crowded newbie system. Get into a real corporation that does things together.
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Lamby Lou
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Posted - 2006.01.03 16:08:00 -
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*Bump* for the great read 
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Germain
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Posted - 2006.01.03 16:25:00 -
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did i miss it? what system are you in. that all this happens i am on tonight.
eve mail me 'germain' i am seting up a hi sec merc corp. Just trying to find the best way to make isk with it.
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Retsudo Itto
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Posted - 2006.01.03 16:27:00 -
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Always either got a corp m8 sitting behind me clocked or my alt there when minning so as to defend from attack n theft , in most cases works also deters the mistaken macro killers. Worth keeping your guns to hand though.
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Lamby Lou
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Posted - 2006.01.03 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Lamby Lou on 03/01/2006 16:30:16
 Originally by: Germain
did i miss it? what system are you in. that all this happens i am on tonight.
eve mail me 'germain' i am seting up a hi sec merc corp. Just trying to find the best way to make isk with it.
LOLOL, how in the heck are you gonna make money off "broke" clients? Next time read the whole post before trying to ride in on a horse (or in this case a BS) and save the day.
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CaptainSeafort
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Posted - 2006.01.04 13:54:00 -
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i think this is a bit nerfy. i think its fair enough to let the guys shoot back, but remove that right as soon as they swap ships, otherwise it is just allowing bullying - ur choice guys, lose ur money, or lose ur ship. **** all ya can do about it =/
"Planets and moons no longer hitch rides on player ships. Their towel privileges have been revoked." HHGG Lives on in EVE! |
Winterblink
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Posted - 2006.01.04 14:05:00 -
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Embarassingly, I've had the same thing happen to me (though I didn't lose a BS, just a hauler). The method is this:
1. Warp in with a crap ship, create a new can, drag and drop all their ore from their can to yours, warp away.
2. Wait for victim to steal ore back.
3. Come back with gang, destroy victim before timer runs out.
Isn't the new flagging system fun? It basically legitimizes theft, because unless you want to lose that ore you're going to open the can and steal it back, right? Just make sure you have a bunch of friends already ganged and nearby, otherwise you're meat.
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Siren Shiva
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Posted - 2006.01.04 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: T'Laar Bok
I love the new can flagging. So far I've taken out 2 itty3's, 4 itty5's and gave a Mammoth a nasty fright. Their embarrassment from being taken out by a lowly barge more than makes up for my loss last night.
Thats because wasps are severely bugged and hit for like 120 damage. They could even take out an assault frig before it warps. 
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Jeret McKain
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Posted - 2006.01.04 14:54:00 -
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you know, I wrote to ccp long before the implemented this and said this kind of exploit was going to occur if they did it this way. Their response (or the gm's) was to say that they were not going to do it this way and if the thief shot back he would get concorded. Well, they did it this way anyway. They opened up an exploit for pirates and thieves alike simply making the situation worse. Can we blame CCP? Who knows. Quite frankly, I seriously doubt many issues, concerns and complaintes EVER make it past a gm and to CCP. Bear in mind when you write to a gm that they are a 'game master'. A glorified moderator. They play the game too. Most of them are the original, older players who would like nothing more than to see exploits to their advantage and would love to see all of EVE one massive pvp fleet battle on a daily basis. Until CCP opens up REAL channels of communications - don't expect your issues to actually ever reach them.
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2006.01.04 15:18:00 -
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So what exactly is wrong with this?
Do you want theft completely abolished from the game?
Thats not gonna happen. Don't mine in highsec. Don't mine alone. Use secure containers.
You basically engaged an ore thief in battle and lost. First you boasted, then you lost, then you paid a ransom, which may I say is quite classy of the thief, he not only stole your ore but pirated you in concord protected space.
That's about as clean a robbery as I've ever read about, we want MORE of that not LESS.
Eve is a pvp game. You need to use the game mechanics to protect your property.
This is not Everquest.
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Morgen StMichael
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Posted - 2006.01.04 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Embarassingly, I've had the same thing happen to me (though I didn't lose a BS, just a hauler). The method is this:
1. Warp in with a crap ship, create a new can, drag and drop all their ore from their can to yours, warp away.
2. Wait for victim to steal ore back.
3. Come back with gang, destroy victim before timer runs out.
Isn't the new flagging system fun? It basically legitimizes theft, because unless you want to lose that ore you're going to open the can and steal it back, right? Just make sure you have a bunch of friends already ganged and nearby, otherwise you're meat.
No, step 3 is warp back in with your gang, find the can empty and the hauler already docking because he was smart enough to empty the can as he was warping out. Now he just sits in station for 15 minutes, laughing at you. Sure, he wastes 15 minutes, but you waste 15 minutesx# of people in your gang.
Just make sure you are smarter than the idiots trying to grief ya. Or, you can have that gang of friends waiting nearby, but sounds too much like work to me.
And as far as it legitimizing ore theft, what the heck do you call the system before, where the 'victim' had ZERO chance to do anything about it?
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Natila DuBra
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Posted - 2006.01.04 16:57:00 -
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What system were you mining in?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.04 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tekka
Edited by: Tekka on 03/01/2006 11:29:05
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HA BAHAHALAALAHLAHALHLAH BAHAHA ABBAHA
wtf?
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Darquies Shade
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Posted - 2006.01.04 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Darquies Shade on 04/01/2006 18:26:45
Originally by: Tony Fats
So what exactly is wrong with this?
Do you want theft completely abolished from the game?
Thats not gonna happen. Don't mine in highsec. Don't mine alone. Use secure containers.
You basically engaged an ore thief in battle and lost. First you boasted, then you lost, then you paid a ransom, which may I say is quite classy of the thief, he not only stole your ore but pirated you in concord protected space.
That's about as clean a robbery as I've ever read about, we want MORE of that not LESS.
Eve is a pvp game. You need to use the game mechanics to protect your property.
This is not Everquest.
Well first off, i don't think Eve is strictly a PvP game or in that aspect a mainly PvP game, sure the aspect is there, but unlike everquest(where you have to kill something to make money, i know i was a 56 shammy)Eve has different jobs one can do. One can pirate, mine, build, escort, protect. etc etc etc. I think what happened here, was not really an abuse persay, in Real life, if a mugger tries to take your wallet, and you smack him, can't he hit you back? He already is commiting a crime by stealing from ya. What's not gonna stop him from hitting ya back. the police, they weren't there in the first place. Concord made ore thievery illegal, but not illegal enough to get concoraganked. so keep this in mind when solo-mining. I also like the idea of being solo, but there will be downfalls for this. May i suggest next time you solo mine, to look around and see if anybody's out there "escorting". I do that from time to time round rens(not good at it yet, but getting better) What i do is have a gang of 2 or 3 miners who are in diff belts, i lay out all cans, and then partol the belts, if they see anybody in a hauler jump into thier belt, they shout out in gang channel, then i warp and"discourage" ore thievery(BTW i use a Ravtank with a scrambler  ) it works well for me, but u gotta make your own way.
My 0.02$ worth
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I Protect The Helpless From The Heartless
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2006.01.04 21:43:00 -
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I will say this, this is a perfect example of the flagging system working as intended i beleive ( as opposed to griefing new players who are told the persons wants to help them and this is how you trade in eve ignore the warning.).
HE went to steal, you blew him up.... but then you made the msitake of sitting around because you didnt understand the system well enough ( thought you were not flagged to him when you attacked him and concord would save you), in the end he held you hostage for ransom ( very cool imho ) which resulted in a little bit of an expansive interaction but none the less VERY interesting encounter.
What you describe to me is a robust pvp gaming experience.
The only flaw I see is the message upon flagging stating the rules should be very clear, cause I think you would have done things differently if you knew you were also flagged to him and concord wouldnt help.
You also learned a very good lesson of keeping some fighting gear close by when your mining.
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ghard1
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Posted - 2006.01.04 22:00:00 -
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I had a thief fly into my belt when i gave a try at mining again after patch (i was verry bored).
He came towards my can with his industrial quite quickly and i thought to my self hes not seting up to steal from me for the cash he wants to gank me.
So i targeted my can leased my drones and sent 20k of ore straight to hell he didnt get it i didnt get it, and he didnt get any oportunity to flag me.
my point is its beter to lose the ore and keep the ship if you think there gona try kill you and your in no position to fight back.
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Bawldeux IV
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Posted - 2006.01.04 22:31:00 -
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you did well, but made the mistake of going into a battle without the proper gear. You got pwned for that mistake.
learn from this, and adapt.
Ooooops, had a nice siggy, but its 14k over the size limit....<sniff, tears>
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.01.04 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Tekka
Edited by: Tekka on 03/01/2006 11:29:05
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HA BAHAHALAALAHLAHALHLAH BAHAHA ABBAHA
wtf?
/signed
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Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More!
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Syrec
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Posted - 2006.01.04 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Syrec on 04/01/2006 23:25:08
Original Poster: After reading your post I coulnd't believe that you thought you could shoot at the thief and be immune to any retaliation. The ore thief had a right to defend against attack. After choosing to flag yourself for combat you were ransomed. If anything you are lucky that the thief didn't simply destroy your Apoc. The change wasn't meant to get rid of ore thieving and allow you free kills, it was meant to add risk vs reward.
As for the locals, they can't help you since the fight is between you/your gang/your corp vs the thief for the duration of the combat flagging.
The history of all this is kind of funny 
Jet mining was an unintended feature.
Ore thieving became the risk for the ease of jet mining.
Can flagging became the risk for ore thieving.
Getting shot back at became the risk for can flagging.
I'm not sure if you weren't clear on how can flagging worked, or just refuse to take responsibility for your own actions, but hopefully you've learned in case this happens again. 
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Gorin Talonisis
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:12:00 -
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I love the flagging. It turned EVE into a world where an aspiring thug can go now from plain grand larceny, to a down right proper mugging. :D
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