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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.01.03 16:28:00 -
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Just did read in a norwegian newspage that WoW have banned over 18 000 accounts more or less 200 accounts a day....
CCP ... take notice !!
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Xavier Black
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Posted - 2006.01.03 16:31:00 -
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Righto.
WoW has 5 million subscribers.
200 / 5,000,000 = 0.00004
0.00004 * 100,000 EvE subscribers = 4 accounts.
So CCP need to banning 4 accounts a day to keep up.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.03 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 03/01/2006 16:30:38
 Originally by: Arcticblue2
Just did read in a norwegian newspage that WoW have banned over 18 000 accounts more or less 200 accounts a day....
CCP ... take notice !!
Yes, that's probably the same amount relative to total accounts as CCP bans per day on average, why ?
Blizzard has somewhat more cash to spend on it. And I can assure you that as soon as they see a way to stop spending all that money on GM's without it resulting in half their playerbase running away in disgust they will do so.
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Adam C
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Posted - 2006.01.03 16:31:00 -
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CCP ban peeps all the time, they just dont let us know the stats unless deemed important.
I would like to know the stats myself.
- Just because there is a Macro-Cult out there doesnt mean nothing is getting dun.
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Wythrill Theroux
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Posted - 2006.01.03 16:35:00 -
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WoW can afford to ban so many accounts because it has many more subscribers - CCP can't.
Eve only has 80k accounts and I'd hazard a guess that a sizeable amount of those 80k belong to macroers. Banning macroers in large numbers costs CCP revenue. Don't keep kidding yourself that CCP has the players bests interests at heart. If they wanted to get rid of macroers, they could. They wrote the damn game and all its code, don't you think they could come up with a way to get rid of (if not severly impact) macroers? 
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.03 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 03/01/2006 16:37:27
Originally by: Wythrill Theroux
Eve only has 80k accounts and I'd hazard a guess that a sizeable amount of those 80k belong to macroers. Banning macroers in large numbers costs CCP revenue. Don't keep kidding yourself that CCP has the players bests interests at heart. If they wanted to get rid of macroers, they could. They wrote the damn game and all its code, don't you think they could come up with a way to get rid of (if not severly impact) macroers?
There are far fewer macroers than players, but at the same time those macroers cause far greater server load and cost CCP much more due to the fact that they're on 23/7. I would not be surprised if they actually costed CCP money once you added it all up. I'd also not be surprised if there were below 1000 total farmers/macroers.
If CCP could ban them automagically, they would 
CCP did not start EVE for the purpose of making millions of dollars. They started EVE for the purpose of creating a game with an ideal. If they wanted to make loads of money, they would have made a more mainstream game like World of Warcraft, not a niche game like EVE.
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Wythrill Theroux
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Posted - 2006.01.03 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Wythrill Theroux on 03/01/2006 16:47:54
Eve is a macroers paradise.
Its got to be the easiest game ever to macro in.
Heck, mining in itself is virtually an afk activity - especially Ice mining. Macorers are even protected by the mechanics of NPC corps and no spawns to worry about in high-sec systems.
Why, after all this time and after hundreds upon hundreds of posts and petitions is the macro-menace still on the increase?
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Jennai
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Posted - 2006.01.03 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Adam C
CCP ban peeps all the time, they just dont let us know the stats unless deemed important.
I would like to know the stats myself.
- Just because there is a Macro-Cult out there doesnt mean nothing is getting dun.
if they were banning people, why do we see the same sweatshop characters macro mining all day every day for the past 2-3 months?
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.01.03 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Arcticblue2
Just did read in a norwegian newspage that WoW have banned over 18 000 accounts more or less 200 accounts a day....
So?
That's blizzard, not CCP.
Two completely different companies with two completely different market strategies, revenue dependencies and company policies.
I fail to see your point.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.01.03 16:56:00 -
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well blizzard is banning random people, several of my friends accounts has been banned for no reason at all. they then had to petition to reopen their accounts and the response was basicly "yea, sorry about that, unbanned it now" two weeks later...
"We brake for nobody"
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halli 999
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Posted - 2006.01.03 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jennai
Originally by: Adam C
CCP ban peeps all the time, they just dont let us know the stats unless deemed important.
I would like to know the stats myself.
- Just because there is a Macro-Cult out there doesnt mean nothing is getting dun.
if they were banning people, why do we see the same sweatshop characters macro mining all day every day for the past 2-3 months?
do something about it then and report them
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Eulynn
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Posted - 2006.01.03 16:59:00 -
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Blizzard doesn't ban people for farming.
This will get you banned in WoW:
1. Racial comments (instant ban. Don't even mess with this. Even being reported for this-- whether or not it's actually true will get you suspended)
2. 3-rd party program botting (AFK leveling, etc)
3. Haxoring (speed, warp hax, etc.)
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Wythrill Theroux
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Posted - 2006.01.03 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: halli 999
Originally by: Jennai
Originally by: Adam C
CCP ban peeps all the time, they just dont let us know the stats unless deemed important.
I would like to know the stats myself.
- Just because there is a Macro-Cult out there doesnt mean nothing is getting dun.
if they were banning people, why do we see the same sweatshop characters macro mining all day every day for the past 2-3 months?
do something about it then and report them
They ARE reported! Thats the whole point! Nothing seems to be done. The same old characters, mining away 23/7 MONTHS after being petitioned!
Hence, the underlying point is either;
1) CCP are grossly understaffed and cannot cope with the sheer number of petitions, or
2) CCP chose to ignore the vast majority of macro petitions because banning them all would put a severe dent in their monthly income.
We got ONE post from a GM in the summer stating a whopping 80 macroers had been banned! WOW! a massive 80... six months ago - and not another word since.
At this rate Eve will be macro free in no time
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Macro Slasher
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Posted - 2006.01.03 17:13:00 -
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An other thread got just locked by an intelligent ISD member, referring to a 3 months old post that "we are doing about things, just banned whole 200 or so". It's just not enough... 
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Bahr Cudas
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Posted - 2006.01.03 17:15:00 -
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CCP's inaction is intolerable. I'm so frustrated with this game at this point. I will never get ahead by playing by the rules. The macrominers just busted the market for glacial mass in Metropolis... and they're still there in Elgoi, nonstop.
I hope that the only players CCP ends up with are the macroes. They'll have 2000 individuals running 20,000 characters simultaneously, and CCP will probably be HAPPY.
"Congratulations to us, we had 30,000 players on at once last night...." Bull! You had 1/3 of that legitimately.
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Bahr Cudas
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Posted - 2006.01.03 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: halli 999
Originally by: Jennai
Originally by: Adam C
CCP ban peeps all the time, they just dont let us know the stats unless deemed important.
I would like to know the stats myself.
- Just because there is a Macro-Cult out there doesnt mean nothing is getting dun.
if they were banning people, why do we see the same sweatshop characters macro mining all day every day for the past 2-3 months?
do something about it then and report them
You did it! You figured it all out! Of course! Just report them!
And what does that do halli 999?? Go roll your eyes someplace else.
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Rhonni Rhocket
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Posted - 2006.01.03 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Bahr Cudas
"Congratulations to us, we had 30,000 players on at once last night...." Bull! You had 1/3 of that legitimately.
QFT!
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Jennai
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Posted - 2006.01.03 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jennai on 03/01/2006 17:18:35
Originally by: halli 999
Originally by: Jennai
Originally by: Adam C
CCP ban peeps all the time, they just dont let us know the stats unless deemed important.
I would like to know the stats myself.
- Just because there is a Macro-Cult out there doesnt mean nothing is getting dun.
if they were banning people, why do we see the same sweatshop characters macro mining all day every day for the past 2-3 months?
do something about it then and report them
I reported like 30 of them in a petition the week before christmas. they said they were escalating it to a senior GM and there were no further replies even though I added another 30 or so since then.
the ming1-ming23 group was a hot topic on the forum a couple months ago, but they're still macroing.
why bother petitioning if nothing ever happens?
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Bahr Cudas
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Posted - 2006.01.03 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Rhonni Rhocket
Originally by: Bahr Cudas
"Congratulations to us, we had 30,000 players on at once last night...." Bull! You had 1/3 of that legitimately.
QFT!
what does QTF mean?
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Azuriel Talloth
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Posted - 2006.01.03 17:22:00 -
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Because they're not macroing, they're farming. Which is not against the rules. Unless you can show a link between them and Ebay/similar then there's nothing CCP will do about it.
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Rhonni Rhocket
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Posted - 2006.01.03 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Bahr Cudas
Originally by: Rhonni Rhocket
Originally by: Bahr Cudas
"Congratulations to us, we had 30,000 players on at once last night...." Bull! You had 1/3 of that legitimately.
QFT!
what does QTF mean?
Quoted for the truth.
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Bahr Cudas
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Posted - 2006.01.03 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rhonni Rhocket
Originally by: Bahr Cudas
Originally by: Rhonni Rhocket
Originally by: Bahr Cudas
"Congratulations to us, we had 30,000 players on at once last night...." Bull! You had 1/3 of that legitimately.
QFT!
what does QTF mean?
I'm glad I asked. I'm in such a bad mood! I need to go take a tylenol... 
Quoted for the truth.
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2006.01.03 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Azuriel Talloth
Because they're not macroing, they're farming. Which is not against the rules. Unless you can show a link between them and Ebay/similar then there's nothing CCP will do about it.
QFT and pwned
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Jennai
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Posted - 2006.01.03 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Azuriel Talloth
Because they're not macroing, they're farming. Which is not against the rules. Unless you can show a link between them and Ebay/similar then there's nothing CCP will do about it.
but they ARE macroing.
find a farmer group, notice how they mine continuously with no gaps due to cargo filling and lasers turning off.
then bump them off the belt or pop their can, notice how they sit there doing nothing for up to 20 minutes before the macro operator looks at that client and moves his miners back to the belt or makes a new can.
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Rhonni Rhocket
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Posted - 2006.01.03 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Nee'kita Frist
Originally by: Azuriel Talloth
Because they're not macroing, they're farming. Which is not against the rules. Unless you can show a link between them and Ebay/similar then there's nothing CCP will do about it.
QFT and pwned
Hardly
Originally by: Azuriel Talloth
Because they're not macroing, they're farming. Which is not against the rules. Unless you can show a link between them and Ebay/similar then there's nothing CCP will do about it.
This is CCP's game. They own all rights, all accounts, characters, and items within it. We, as players, have no rights to anything at all. If CCP wanted to ban an account, they don't owe any one of us an explanation as to why its being banned. This is in their own R&R.
The fact that people are farming and not afk macroing shouldn't make any difference to the ethics of it. We all know (including CCP) where that farmed ore/isk ends up.
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Promon Delnai
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Posted - 2006.01.03 17:44:00 -
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I thought it meant "Quite F#%%ing True!"
Hmm.
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Azuriel Talloth
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Posted - 2006.01.03 17:45:00 -
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And then innocents get banned.
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The Knight
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Posted - 2006.01.03 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Black
Righto.
WoW has 5 million subscribers.
200 / 5,000,000 = 0.00004
0.00004 * 100,000 EvE subscribers = 4 accounts.
So CCP need to banning 4 accounts a day to keep up.
Not so impressive anymore, eh?
I hate when math ruins a good rant.
Math should be banned....except for when you use it to range your guns, then it's cool.
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Jorge Kamzell
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Posted - 2006.01.03 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Black
Righto.
WoW has 5 million subscribers.
200 / 5,000,000 = 0.00004
0.00004 * 100,000 EvE subscribers = 4 accounts.
So CCP need to banning 4 accounts a day to keep up.
Not so impressive anymore, eh?
Actually the sound of CCP banning 4 accounts a day sounds pretty good to me.
At least then we'd know SOMETHING is being done - no matter how pitiful
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Jason Kildaro
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Posted - 2006.01.03 17:54:00 -
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Do you guys just call anyone who has multiple accounts a macro miner? If they are at the keyboard and responding to people who talk to them then there is not much a GM can do. It sounds like it is next to impossible to find out if the person is putting the money on E-Bay or other isk-selling places.
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Macro Slasher
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Posted - 2006.01.03 17:55:00 -
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Their policy of not telling us is wrong. They should post the real names, addresses and such of ALL the banned ISK farmers. Preferably with a ready link to the Google Maps and a webshop that sells baseball bats.
I'm serious. 
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Mudkest
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Posted - 2006.01.03 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
If CCP could ban them automagically, they would
ooh I like that word, automagically :D
-just an fyi. Albert Einstein was dyslexic, and I wouldnt be surprised if he coulnd't spell properly either ;) |
Jorge Kamzell
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Posted - 2006.01.03 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jorge Kamzell on 03/01/2006 18:07:34
Originally by: Macro Slasher
Their policy of not telling us is wrong. They should post the real names, addresses and such of ALL the banned ISK farmers. Preferably with a ready link to the Google Maps and a webshop that sells baseball bats.
I'm serious.
LOL. I agree... well on the first bit anyway.
I think CCP should give us weekly updates as to how many have been banned. They had a big news release and fanfare about it many months ago when those initial 80 got the bullet so its not exactly against their policy to keep us informed.
The fact that theres zero news on this despite the many many posts and petitions does lend credence to those that think CCP are now putting $ signs ahead of the concerns of the legitimate playerbase. 
A few stats go a long way CCP! 
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2006.01.03 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Arcticblue2
Just did read in a norwegian newspage that WoW have banned over 18 000 accounts more or less 200 accounts a day....
CCP ... take notice !!
Originally by: Xavier Black
Righto.
WoW has 5 million subscribers.
200 / 5,000,000 = 0.00004
0.00004 * 100,000 EvE subscribers = 4 accounts.
So CCP need to banning 4 accounts a day to keep up.
Not so impressive anymore, eh?
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Posted - 2006.01.03 18:22:00 -
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I'm hoping the silence is as a result of CCP secretly doing a massive audit, which they can't discuss for fear of tipping off the farmers. 
I'm being a nub again, aren't I? 
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Mantar Mattox
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Posted - 2006.01.03 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Mudkest
-just an fyi. Albert Einstein was dyslexic, and I wouldnt be surprised if he coulnd't spell properly either ;)
Einstein also had Asperger's Syndrome, together with quite a few other great people through time.. *takes his diagnosispapers and walks away*
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Mudkest
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Posted - 2006.01.03 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: Mudkest on 03/01/2006 18:31:57
Originally by: Mantar Mattox
Originally by: Mudkest
-just an fyi. Albert Einstein was dyslexic, and I wouldnt be surprised if he coulnd't spell properly either ;)
Einstein also had Asperger's Syndrome, together with quite a few other great people through time.. *takes his diagnosispapers and walks away*
nice, didnt know that :p
but reason I put it in was because of the amount of "joo'r spellling suxors" post i see on these forums(and I can spell quite good really. its my typing that's horrible :p)
and before anyone accuses me of pointing out poor spelling in my original post in here, I was not. I just said I liked the word automagically. I dont know if that was intended, a typo or a pselling error. and quite frankly, i dont care. I like that word 8)
-just an fyi. Albert Einstein was dyslexic, and I wouldnt be surprised if he coulnd't spell properly either ;) |
Mantar Mattox
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Posted - 2006.01.03 18:35:00 -
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Now after you'vre read up on the Asperger part you won't get disturbed by this but - I kinda think there's a difference between Einstein and the leetspeakers, (And other sucky spellers of that kind) as it seems to be a selfchosen type of spelling... Honestly, can ANYONE misspell "you" with "u" 10 times in a row or "j00" for that matter :P
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Macro Slasher
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Posted - 2006.01.03 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mantar Mattox
Also a very very simple reason to fix this problem is to add a 'report to CONCORD' command.
Resulting in a NPC CONCORD member sending a char request together with a random question.
If the requested char doesn't answer, they're fined by 20% of what they own and also get their ship blasted to hell.
People have always sofar flamed "mini-games" and "puzzles" and "questions" as such straight to hell. They would rather have the farmers around than spend 2 seconds and 2 clicks of their time a few times a day.
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2006.01.03 18:42:00 -
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"Eve only has 80k accounts and I'd hazard a guess that a sizeable amount of those 80k belong to macroers. Banning macroers in large numbers costs CCP revenue."
Don;t kid yourself, not banning botters costs CCP revenue also. As players get fed up with every asteroid field being empty, fed up trying to climb the hill on inflation to buy basic t2 items etc... and over all sick of cheaters in the game period.
They destroyed lineage2, there destroying eq2.... They will destroy Eve also... you see they are never content they do the msot effective way to make money.... Wait till they are skilled up enough and start clearing out the best complexes and farming them to the second...... Right now it is macro mining because it is easy but soon they will want to control the rare market to drive up thge rpice which in turn imposes the need for ISK which in turn leads people to buy the ISK from them off ebay or thier website...
This is big buisness for them don;t be naive and think it is some pimped faced kid in china making a little extra dough, these pro farmers run extensive buisness models and are very agressive they do NOT care about games just money they can make through the games.
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Mudkest
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Posted - 2006.01.03 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Mudkest on 03/01/2006 18:47:17
Edited by: Mudkest on 03/01/2006 18:46:19
Originally by: Mantar Mattox
Now after you'vre read up on the Asperger part you won't get disturbed by this but - I kinda think there's a difference between Einstein and the leetspeakers
well tbh I am sure there's a differene :p
and I misspell there constantly, always typing tehre(guess that has something to do with coordination :p) ah well
also, langauge changes over time, nothing you can do about it really. take *** for example, about 60 years ago you could say "I'm happy and ***" and people would think you were very happy. now if you say it people wil think your homosexual(and probably risk getting bashed as well depending on where you say it :p)
edit: funny, g a y gets blocked out, but homosexual makes it past censoring check :D
and to the moderators, I appologize about having to move past the censoring, but my point would probably not come trough otherwise ;)
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.01.03 18:49:00 -
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as long as eve time codes can b sold for isk nothing wont change.
if itllg et forbidden, and ccp would even investigate the ebay sellers etc. then the macrominers and sweatshops would get hurt.
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Mantar Mattox
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Posted - 2006.01.03 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
as long as eve time codes can b sold for isk nothing wont change.
if itllg et forbidden, and ccp would even investigate the ebay sellers etc. then the macrominers and sweatshops would get hurt.
Take that first part again?
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Mantar Mattox
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Posted - 2006.01.03 18:56:00 -
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True, the system is easy to abuse, however put the should-be-implemented macrominer reportsystem should only react if enough people report.
hence a minor group of muppets can't abuse it.
AND if they report more than say 10 people a day, they get hunted by concord instead.
Rather easy
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Posted - 2006.01.03 19:01:00 -
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I'm no programmer, but surely there its only a matter of coding to detect tihrid party macroing programs running in the background.
As far as multiple accounts, well I think the whole idea is stupid as hell, and only a total loser would pay for multiple accounts, but EVE kind of encourages this behavior in its more hardcore users by making alts fairly pointless. Anyway, CCP wins because they get more sub money. I'd wager there are only around 7,000 users online when it says there are 19k. EVE wouldn't survive if the uber-nerds weren't so addicted to friggin video game that would for more than one account and spend real $ for ISK, jsut to get an edge on other players in a non-existant world.
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R3aliti
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Posted - 2006.01.03 19:34:00 -
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CCP just gave all players a nice new toy (module) to mess with macro miners. The Tractor Beam - simply tractor the ore can out of reach of the miners while the tugging operator is away - no place to put the ore - they stop mining. Just go through the rings of a system tractoring the cans away and soon enough the operator will think something is wrong with the macro, or get the hint that it is just not working and quit.
Oh and of course put in a petition (system name, time, macro miners names) I have sent in many of these, it seems to work, but only until the next one starts up. It is getting rather disgusting to find all of the high security systems with rings of Veld and nothing else. Even the macro miners are pickey mining now. When was the last time you saw a ring that had plag or pyro over 400 let alone any omber or kern in a .6 or above?
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Imaran
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Posted - 2006.01.03 19:39:00 -
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Locked for persistant flaming, and the fact that there are more threads than enough regarding this matter.
*click*
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