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Ken 1138
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.30 04:59:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Yeah, the Mayor here is pretty damn awesome!
The Mayor needs to be in one of your EVE dev videos with CCP Guard. Hell you guys had the President of Iceland. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12730
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Posted - 2013.08.30 05:17:00 -
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Bischopt wrote:Some of us live in the north. When winter comes, it gets really dark and really damn cold. Some people get depressed from the darkness alone.
Now imagine being even further north, where it doesn't get nice even in the summer. You're living on an island, surrounded by a freezing cold ocean. The only warmth comes from the volcanoes that sometimes randomly decide to cancel everyone's flights all around europe.
It sucks so bad that people don't even get depressed anymore, they just kind of snap. Whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you... stranger.
So they just make messed up space MMO's and cross-dress. +1 for the Joker quote
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
3998
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:25:00 -
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Sidrat Flush wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Thexx Littlechurch wrote:A genetic "Adam" and "Eve" are accepted scientific fact now. Don't be so 1994 =p. Of course, they didn't exist at the same time, and they weren't the only members of their species alive at the time. I've puzzled over this. If we assume everyone alive today has four biological grandparents and each on of them has two psrents each..... How many generations of humans had to exist to support todays population? Or is it just a case of the very first 500 generatios had about 40 offspring on avg. Mind boggles.
Assuming each woman has 2.36 children (the current fertility rate, past rates were much higher), and they have 50% of each gender (it's really around 50.25% male, 49.75% female), and the current population is 50/50 (it's not, but whatever). And assuming we start with 1 woman and ignore the problems of fractional people, here we go:
7.1 Billion people means 3.55 Billion Women. The population of women would be 1.18^n, where n is the number of generations. 3.55 billion = 1.18^n ln(3.55 billion) = n*ln1.18 ln(3.55 billion)/ln(1.18)=n
n=138.86 generations
At 20 years per generation, that's just 2657 years. That's exponential growth for you.
Of course, birth rate isn't everything. We can do the same thing with the current actual growth rate (around 1.1%, for a value of 1.011):
ln(3.55 billion)=n*ln(1.011) n=ln(3.55 billion)/ln(1.011)
n=2010 generations
At 20 years per generation, that's ~40,200 years. Which implies that the world population has not always been growing, as humans have been around for a lot longer than that. As it turns out, the population was probably pretty stable for a long time, then took a chug of rocket fuel around the point where we discovered agriculture. It has since slowed for various reasons.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
William Walker
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
339
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Posted - 2013.08.30 08:58:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:As it turns out, the population was probably pretty stable for a long time, then took a chug of rocket fuel around the point where we discovered agriculture. It has since slowed for various reasons.
We also live longer, it would probably have fluctuated a lot when we were beginning civilization. Women would have 4-10 children and half of those would die before age 6. Then half of those would die before age 20. Everyone else died at 40. I wonder how long until we can become 150 or 200 years old? pâ+(*GîÆGêçGîÆ*)n+ë pü+(pé£GêçpÇü-¦)pü+ (GùòGÇ+GùòG£+) |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4000
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Posted - 2013.08.30 09:16:00 -
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William Walker wrote:RubyPorto wrote:As it turns out, the population was probably pretty stable for a long time, then took a chug of rocket fuel around the point where we discovered agriculture. It has since slowed for various reasons.
We also live longer, it would probably have fluctuated a lot when we were beginning civilization. Women would have 4-10 children and half of those would die before age 6. Then half of those would die before age 20. Everyone else died at 40. I wonder how long until we can become 150 or 200 years old?
I don't think the average life expectancy of a newborn has ever been 18 years.
An average life expectancy of 40 pretty much meant that, if you lived through childhood, and didn't die in a war, you could expect to live into your 60s or 70s. The vast majority of the increase in average life expectancy that's come about in the last century has been related to the precipitous decrease in infant and child mortality.
Consider the two following cases: 5% die at 1 yo, 5% die at 5 yo, 90% die at 45 yo. Avg Life expectancy 40.8 25% die at 1yo, 20% die at 9yo, 5% die at 25 yo, 50% die at 75 yo. Avg Life expectancy 40.8
Clearly pretty different populations, same average life expectancy at birth. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
William Walker
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
339
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Posted - 2013.08.30 09:25:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:William Walker wrote:RubyPorto wrote:As it turns out, the population was probably pretty stable for a long time, then took a chug of rocket fuel around the point where we discovered agriculture. It has since slowed for various reasons.
We also live longer, it would probably have fluctuated a lot when we were beginning civilization. Women would have 4-10 children and half of those would die before age 6. Then half of those would die before age 20. Everyone else died at 40. I wonder how long until we can become 150 or 200 years old? I don't think the average life expectancy of a newborn has ever been 18 years. An average life expectancy of 40 pretty much meant that, if you lived through childhood, and didn't die in a war, you could expect to live into your 60s or 70s. The vast majority of the increase in average life expectancy that's come about in the last century has been related to the precipitous decrease in infant and child mortality. Consider the two following cases: 5% die at 1 yo, 5% die at 5 yo, 90% die at 45 yo. Avg Life expectancy 40.8 25% die at 1yo, 20% die at 9yo, 5% die at 25 yo, 50% die at 75 yo. Avg Life expectancy 40.8 Clearly pretty different populations, same average life expectancy at birth.
True. The lower the infant mortality the higher the average life expectancy (Japan), or vice versa (Angola). But I think wars and famines are also significant factors. Could average life expectancy ever surpass 100 if infant mortality would remain at a certain number? I mean these are just averages. What if we didn't take infant mortality into account and just looked at how old people got pâ+(*GîÆGêçGîÆ*)n+ë pü+(pé£GêçpÇü-¦)pü+ (GùòGÇ+GùòG£+) |
lollerwaffle
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
91
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Posted - 2013.08.30 09:28:00 -
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William Walker wrote:RubyPorto wrote:William Walker wrote:RubyPorto wrote:As it turns out, the population was probably pretty stable for a long time, then took a chug of rocket fuel around the point where we discovered agriculture. It has since slowed for various reasons.
We also live longer, it would probably have fluctuated a lot when we were beginning civilization. Women would have 4-10 children and half of those would die before age 6. Then half of those would die before age 20. Everyone else died at 40. I wonder how long until we can become 150 or 200 years old? I don't think the average life expectancy of a newborn has ever been 18 years. An average life expectancy of 40 pretty much meant that, if you lived through childhood, and didn't die in a war, you could expect to live into your 60s or 70s. The vast majority of the increase in average life expectancy that's come about in the last century has been related to the precipitous decrease in infant and child mortality. Consider the two following cases: 5% die at 1 yo, 5% die at 5 yo, 90% die at 45 yo. Avg Life expectancy 40.8 25% die at 1yo, 20% die at 9yo, 5% die at 25 yo, 50% die at 75 yo. Avg Life expectancy 40.8 Clearly pretty different populations, same average life expectancy at birth. True. The lower the infant mortality the higher the average life expectancy (Japan), or vice versa (Angola). But I think wars and famines are also significant factors. Could average life expectancy ever surpass 100 if infant mortality would remain at a certain number? I mean these are just averages. What if we didn't take infant mortality into account and just looked at how old people got Only in EVE can such discussions (with numbers) happen on a gaming forum <3 |
Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
267
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Posted - 2013.08.30 09:38:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Yeah, the Mayor here is pretty damn awesome!
Around half as awesome as his daughter's buttocks.
She could crack hazelnuts in there and no mistake. |
SabersKunk Dallocort
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:15:00 -
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He did an AMA on reddit that was fascinating. Very cool guy. |
Rich Uncle PennyBags
EVE Online Monopoly
16
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Posted - 2013.08.30 14:27:00 -
[40] - Quote
Shall I blow your mind further?
http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2013/04/danger-game.jpg
Check out the pretty lass on the box of CCP's "danger game".
He came back for the new version in the CE too. |
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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
378
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Posted - 2013.08.30 15:38:00 -
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William Walker wrote:RubyPorto wrote:William Walker wrote:RubyPorto wrote:As it turns out, the population was probably pretty stable for a long time, then took a chug of rocket fuel around the point where we discovered agriculture. It has since slowed for various reasons.
We also live longer, it would probably have fluctuated a lot when we were beginning civilization. Women would have 4-10 children and half of those would die before age 6. Then half of those would die before age 20. Everyone else died at 40. I wonder how long until we can become 150 or 200 years old? I don't think the average life expectancy of a newborn has ever been 18 years. An average life expectancy of 40 pretty much meant that, if you lived through childhood, and didn't die in a war, you could expect to live into your 60s or 70s. The vast majority of the increase in average life expectancy that's come about in the last century has been related to the precipitous decrease in infant and child mortality. Consider the two following cases: 5% die at 1 yo, 5% die at 5 yo, 90% die at 45 yo. Avg Life expectancy 40.8 25% die at 1yo, 20% die at 9yo, 5% die at 25 yo, 50% die at 75 yo. Avg Life expectancy 40.8 Clearly pretty different populations, same average life expectancy at birth. True. The lower the infant mortality the higher the average life expectancy (Japan), or vice versa (Angola). But I think wars and famines are also significant factors. Could average life expectancy ever surpass 100 if infant mortality would remain at a certain number? I mean these are just averages. What if we didn't take infant mortality into account and just looked at how old people got There is a biological upper limit. Only very tiny fractions of the population live past 95, and even more miniscule fractions pass 100. Sure, as population increases the absolute numbers of people living to 100 goes up, but as a percentage of teh population (and thus contributer to average lifespan) the number remains infinitessimal.
Pretty much, the human body has an upper practical limit to lifespan of around 90 years (with outliers, of course).
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Equester Bellum
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.08.30 15:40:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:
Also, I was making light of the fact that inbreeding is a prevalent problem in Iceland. There is even an iphone app designed to help prevent people there from inadvertently hooking-up with relatives.
Not sure where you got your information, or if I misunderstood your post, but Iceland has no inbreeding problem whatsoever.
That app was originally designed as a mobile version of the +ìslendingab+¦k (http://www.islendingabok.is/English.jsp) which is just an Icelandic genealogical database and the "inbreed" feature was added as a joke.. which most news articles fail to mention |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4009
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Posted - 2013.08.30 15:47:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote:There is a biological upper limit. Only very tiny fractions of the population live past 95, and even more miniscule fractions pass 100. Sure, as population increases the absolute numbers of people living to 100 goes up, but as a percentage of teh population (and thus contributer to average lifespan) the number remains infinitessimal.
Pretty much, the human body has an upper practical limit to lifespan of around 90 years (with outliers, of course).
That, and the fact that an 80 year old today isn't in significantly better shape than an 80 year old 100 years ago.
People are living longer, not aging slower.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tithonus Eternal life without eternal youth is more of a curse than a blessing. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
378
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Posted - 2013.08.30 15:55:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:There is a biological upper limit. Only very tiny fractions of the population live past 95, and even more miniscule fractions pass 100. Sure, as population increases the absolute numbers of people living to 100 goes up, but as a percentage of teh population (and thus contributer to average lifespan) the number remains infinitessimal.
Pretty much, the human body has an upper practical limit to lifespan of around 90 years (with outliers, of course).
That, and the fact that an 80 year old today isn't in significantly better shape than an 80 year old 100 years ago. People are living longer, not aging slower. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TithonusEternal life without eternal youth is more of a curse than a blessing. Evolution isn't likely to change this much, either. There's no 'sexy' factor for people whith extremely elderly grand and great-grand parents, so there's no selection pressure to increase lifespan beyond about 60 or so. Basically, once our grand children become teenagers* evolution is done with us.
*There's a secondary survival advantage to grand-parenthood; Children with living grand parents have a higher survival rate, and tend to be both physically more fit and mentally more stable. Living long enough to pass lessons in parenting and to support the raising of children is survival selective. |
dethleffs
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
232
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Posted - 2013.08.30 16:27:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Inbreeding is everyone's problem. Make sure that the person you marry is not related to you.
they have an app for that.
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/02/09/icelanders-avoid-inbreeding-through-online-incest-database/ |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1181
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Posted - 2013.09.02 07:31:00 -
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Thexx Littlechurch wrote:War Kitten wrote:PEPE WILLBERG wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Inbreeding is everyone's problem. Make sure that the person you marry is not related to you.
Arent we all inbread already, i mean if Adam and Eve were the first humans to walk here.. Common evolution theory doesnt offer much consolation either.. LOL Be careful mixing science and religion like that. Someone's head is bound to explode. A genetic "Adam" and "Eve" are accepted scientific fact now. Don't be so 1994 =p.
Hoho as much as I agree with "don't mix apples with oranges" argument I have to agree your Adam&Eve is absolutely perfect as example, well requires some imagination thou *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1181
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Posted - 2013.09.02 07:53:00 -
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Sidrat Flush wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Thexx Littlechurch wrote:A genetic "Adam" and "Eve" are accepted scientific fact now. Don't be so 1994 =p. Of course, they didn't exist at the same time, and they weren't the only members of their species alive at the time. I've puzzled over this. If we assume everyone alive today has four biological grandparents and each on of them has two psrents each..... How many generations of humans had to exist to support todays population? Or is it just a case of the very first 500 generatios had about 40 offspring on avg. Mind boggles.
Much less, the average was more about 25/30 and exceptionally 40+, life was far ruder than we can imagine and human body despite being a fighter on it self there was no treatment for a lot of little things we're used to just open the box take a pill and go back to work the day after, back then you'd simply die in a matter of days because of a bad flew.
In about 100 years medicine and comfort increased living hope for about double minimum but population increased also at exponential rate, 2050 we should be about 9000000000 that's about + 50% in less than 50 years with consequences that might be more or less important if our society current concepts evolves or wants to keep its middle age model like now.
We are the next dinosaurs, and we don't even need an asteroid to help us out. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Kyra Quinn
We Are Really Scary
63
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Posted - 2013.09.02 10:58:00 -
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This will teach me not to start threads. The adventures of a newbie: http://kyraquinn.wordpress.com/ |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
42125
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Posted - 2013.09.02 11:05:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:In the USA we wish we could get mayors like that.
We usually get bought off globalist stooges.
Our mayors tend to get booted out of office lately for touching people. A lot of people. Ladies specifically. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4034
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Posted - 2013.09.02 19:15:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:In the USA we wish we could get mayors like that.
We usually get bought off globalist stooges. Our mayors tend to get booted out of office lately for touching people. A lot of people. Ladies specifically.
It's good to be the king. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
383
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Posted - 2013.09.03 15:54:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:In the USA we wish we could get mayors like that.
We usually get bought off globalist stooges. Our mayors tend to get booted out of office lately for touching people. A lot of people. Ladies specifically. It's good to be the king. Mel Brooks for Mayor! |
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