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CapCrunnnch	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:21:00 - [1] Edited by: CapCrunnnch on 03/01/2006 23:23:38 So you swallowed your pride and were forced to ask [5] for help against G/Iron. Tbh [5] were as surprised as the rest of us watching from the outside but no one blames you as now you realise that G/Iron are too strong to be taken lightly. Now that you have been reduced from an alliance that used to make people beg for help to one doing the begging, can you confirm whether you will ask for even more help from others to hold G/Iron off? Sirmolle: We dont want to see anymore "I am the masterchef", "I have the spoon", "that is all" arrogant type of cheastbeating ever again. You've begged for help so can no longer maintain the stance that BOB or you are almighty. Just like everyone else, fight your wars and keep the chest beating on your own forums, because when you dont, and somewhere along the line you get your asses whupped (as we see up north) then you only end up asking for help and it makes you look pathetic - especially if 1n the same breath you start telling everyone how good you are or how big your spoon/cooking is. Our problem is not with BoB but with the man behind bob who beats his chest then hides away from tough questions. So to prove a point yet again, will someone in BOB with authority...preferably the 'master chef', answer these 3 simple questions that the whole of eve would like answered: 1. With BOB having to ask for help from [5], is it not now clear to see that G/Iron are are better and stronger than BOB and it is only a matter of time until BOB are sent back to fountain in defeat? 2. With BOB having to ask for help from [5], is it not now evident that you are weaker now than ever before based on the fact that 9 months ago you could do anything you liked and pwn anyone you wanted in EVE? 3. Will you confirm if the talk that the 30 or so members in BNC and RKK that are planning to split away from BOB and form another alliance due to discontentment, will happen now or after your war with G/Iron? Simple 3 questions, if Sirmolle or Db Preacher, Galavet, Dianabolic or Blacklight can answer them properly then maybe you can also dispell the rumours that BOB member morale is currently very low due to the fact that many of your pilots don't believe you should be up there fighting a war you can't win? Clear that up for everyone, thank you.
thoth foc	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:23:00 - [2] hmmm.. i'm thinking flamebait.. u had too much time to think hiding in that pos tonite.. --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
Edoo	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:24:00 - [3] Edited by: Edoo on 03/01/2006 23:24:21 Although i agree with elements of this, and understand what you are saying, this is gonna get flamed, and locked im afraid
Afonso Henriques	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:24:00 - [4] Getting pretty damn sick of these IRON alts.
Edoo	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:26:00 - [5] Besides even if people agree with you they will just flame you for being an alt, because that will get them 'respect' on the forums.
Morealis	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:26:00 - [6] Capcrunch did dbp poo in your mouth couze seriously you realy talk ****. Signature removed -zhuge ([email protected])
Righteous Fury	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:27:00 - [7] Sigh, of course my witty reply gets deleted.
Horatio Starkiller	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:27:00 - [8] You know we've never complained about the fact were facing 2 alliances at the same time... G + IRON, 1 + 1 = 2.
Alexison	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:27:00 - [9] Originally by: Morealis Capcrunch did dbp poo in your mouth couze seriously you realy talk ****. That made me laugh mo!
Maule	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:27:00 - [10] hehe
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:27:00 - [11] If you used your main, this would get a real response, but since it's not, it'll be locked. Fear the Ibis of doom.
Sochin	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:27:00 - [12] We've been fighting off G/IRON's attempts to regain control of Ju for weeks now by ourselves. IRON alone is a larger alliance then us, and combined they are twice our size. 5 comes to help us for a day and suddenly we suck horribly? ** off, you ignorant **. http://www.adrenalade.com/images/sochinsig.jpg Nemo me impune lacessit* Signature image filesize limit is 24,000 bytes - Imaran
ChefAce	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:27:00 - [13] /emote grabs his flame resistent pajamas and a bowl of popcorn This should be interesting. -------------
Smith	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:28:00 - [14] BOB control outpost.
Nifel	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:28:00 - [15] I'm mostly discontent with all the lag making it a real suicide to jump into someone else. We would've gotten more fights if we knew we could jump in into a system and safely load up. Alas that promise from CCP hasn't come to fruitation yet. "We wield swords for the sound of laughter that used to be there long ago." RKK Ranking: (MIN13) Jata
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:28:00 - [16] Originally by: Sochin We've been fighting off G/IRON's attempts to regain control of Ju for weeks now by ourselves. IRON alone is a larger alliance then us, and combined they are twice our size. 5 comes to help us for a day and suddenly we suck horribly? ** off, you ignorant ***. Don't respond to the alt seriously!!! Mmmmm, doughnuts..... Fear the Ibis of doom.
skilz	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:28:00 - [17] Quit talking about us if our alliance is "dead" If this is the case then we should be of no intrest to you. --
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:28:00 - [18] If the server wasnt so laggy, by crap we'de take your fleets on outnumbered 3:1. Lag brings everyone down to your low level.
Regma	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:28:00 - [19] Edited by: Regma on 03/01/2006 23:28:13 Originally by: Morealis Capcrunch did dbp poo in your mouth couze seriously you realy talk ****. Post with your main, alt
Alasse Cuthalion	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:28:00 - [20] Don't forget all the Deklein and Fade pets too Horatio! :p Funny IRON, truely a comedy epic of the 21st centuary. Congratulations. Current RKK Ranking: (CAL13) Knight
TWD	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:29:00 - [21] IRON on its own outnumbers us and calls in G to outnumber us even more. Lets see how our road trip went so far. IRON has lost 2 dreads, an ungodly amount of ships and still havn't been able to recapture the outpost we have for a month now. We ask ATUK for 1 time to join the fun, to equalize the numbers - and we see IRON alts posting on the forum about our defeat? are you kidding me? seriously though, how more of a joke can you be as alliance, IRON?
Political Observer	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:29:00 - [22] I wish this [5] alt wouldn't be trying to make G/IRON look bad, and at the same time getting out of their bogged down war in the north. Yay PA. I did hear that the JU- battle was massive, reasonable lag, and complete ownage by the northerners. Shocking agains't BoB, but kudos none the less. Alts suck.
oDDiTy V2	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:29:00 - [23] Why is it that every time BoB gets in a fight an alt makes a "omg BoB is collapsing" thread? Well posted? Yeah. Misinformed? Gravely so.
PuttPutt	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:29:00 - [24] We were outnumbered 2:1, like usual but when [5] showed up we had even numbers but you guys decided to hide in your pos :/ __________
Zardock	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:31:00 - [25] Ya some people wanna start the Roger alliance to rat hunt in torrinos kthxbye alt
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:31:00 - [26] It may not be an IRON alt. Could be G, F-E, Ikvar, or Tomb. Fear the Ibis of doom.
Amthrianius	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:31:00 - [27] someone really needs to stop posting drivel with an alt that remotly sounds like one my pvp alts :( ---------------
Darkrydar	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:31:00 - [28] Don't have the balls to post with your main or to bring it ingame. gg
Azuriel Talloth	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:31:00 - [29] I'm not too clever at understanding politics, but how is it defeat if 1 alliance gets help to fight against 2 alliances?
fisho	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:32:00 - [30] If I have said this once I have said it 100 time, IRON simply are the most pathetic alliance in the game. G on the other hand I like, dunno why they hang round with those muppets.
Darkrydar	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:32:00 - [31] Originally by: Political Observer I wish this [5] alt wouldn't be trying to make G/IRON look bad, and at the same time getting out of their bogged down war in the north. Yay PA. I did hear that the JU- battle was massive, reasonable lag, and complete ownage by the northerners. Shocking agains't BoB, but kudos none the less. Alts suck. Yes, because his history indicates that ******* tard alt
Political Observer	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:33:00 - [32] numbers? IRON/G versus Stain/ASCN 1300 versus 4000 Success! BoB with the "while you were away attack" making it 4000+BoB versus iron's miners at JU-. Iron/G come home, BoB calls for [5], and the pwnage of BoB ensues. BoB cries about numbers. ahaha
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:33:00 - [33] I could see the devs starting posts like this for chits and giggles Fear the Ibis of doom.
Redblade	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:33:00 - [34] Originally by: Amthrianius someone really needs to stop posting drivel with an alt that remotly sounds like one my pvp alts :( Seriously people in general realy needs to stop posting drivel with alts period
Morealis	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:33:00 - [35] test Signature removed -zhuge ([email protected])
Draximus Prime	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:34:00 - [36] You know what I found really funny, IRON Alliance + G Alliance bring > 130 pilots vs a small BOB fleet of ~50, and then have the gall to whine about lag. LOL @ U ______________________ To dare in fields is valor; but how few dare to be throughly valiant to be true?
Galavet	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:35:00 - [37] Originally by: CapCrunnnch Edited by: CapCrunnnch on 03/01/2006 23:23:38 So you swallowed your pride and were forced to ask [5] for help against G/Iron. Tbh [5] were as surprised as the rest of us watching from the outside but no one blames you as now you realise that G/Iron are too strong to be taken lightly. Now that you have been reduced from an alliance that used to make people beg for help to one doing the begging, can you confirm whether you will ask for even more help from others to hold G/Iron off? Sirmolle: We dont want to see anymore "I am the masterchef", "I have the spoon", "that is all" arrogant type of cheastbeating ever again. You've begged for help so can no longer maintain the stance that BOB or you are almighty. Just like everyone else, fight your wars and keep the chest beating on your own forums, because when you dont, and somewhere along the line you get your asses whupped (as we see up north) then you only end up asking for help and it makes you look pathetic - especially if 1n the same breath you start telling everyone how good you are or how big your spoon/cooking is. Our problem is not with BoB but with the man behind bob who beats his chest then hides away from tough questions. So to prove a point yet again, will someone in BOB with authority...preferably the 'master chef', answer these 3 simple questions that the whole of eve would like answered: 1. With BOB having to ask for help from [5], is it not now clear to see that G/Iron are are better and stronger than BOB and it is only a matter of time until BOB are sent back to fountain in defeat? 2. With BOB having to ask for help from [5], is it not now evident that you are weaker now than ever before based on the fact that 9 months ago you could do anything you liked and pwn anyone you wanted in EVE? 3. Will you confirm if the talk that the 30 or so members in BNC and RKK that are planning to split away from BOB and form another alliance due to discontentment, will happen now or after your war with G/Iron? Simple 3 questions, if Sirmolle or Db Preacher, Galavet, Dianabolic or Blacklight can answer them properly then maybe you can also dispell the rumours that BOB member morale is currently very low due to the fact that many of your pilots don't believe you should be up there fighting a war you can't win? Clear that up for everyone, thank you. Before I respond to you please tell me if you know the BoB kill to loss ratio vs IRON. If you can prove to me you know this one simple fact, and post it here for all to see, I will respond to your post in full. Lets see how far you really want to take this debate.
hired goon	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:35:00 - [38] Originally by: TWD seriously though, how more of a joke can you be as alliance, IRON? He said, hiding behind his 5ive friends. Let me just defeat your silly "OMG IRON + G = 2 ALLAINCES WTF HAX" whining. We are essentially one alliance. But for the language barrier and organisations' sake, we are two. As if BoB ever really believed they'd fight only one of us after invading. It's just that, the almighty king of alliances that has and does pride itself on being capable of anything on its own, surprises all by actually asking for help. Not hard to understand. -omg-
BadManEdmundo	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:35:00 - [39] Originally by: CapCrunnnch . You should write for the Daily Mail. ___________________ If at first you don't succeed - so much for skydiving.
Haematite	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:35:00 - [40] If IRON was a real PvP allaiance we would not have to suffer Threads like this from their Alts They run from even number calling in G to make sure they get 2 or 3 to 1 odds Shame. ----- Our Enemy call us GM's, they are not wrong, we are Masters of our Game.
Darkrydar	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:37:00 - [41] Originally by: Political Observer numbers? IRON/G versus Stain/ASCN 1300 versus 4000 Success! BoB with the "while you were away attack" making it 4000+BoB versus iron's miners at JU-. Iron/G come home, BoB calls for [5], and the pwnage of BoB ensues. BoB cries about numbers. ahaha Success in what? Losing an outpost
Edoo	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:38:00 - [42] This guy is evidently Abdalion's alt
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:38:00 - [43] Originally by: Political Observer numbers? IRON/G versus Stain/ASCN 1300 versus 4000 Success! BoB with the "while you were away attack" making it 4000+BoB versus iron's miners at JU-. Iron/G come home, BoB calls for [5], and the pwnage of BoB ensues. BoB cries about numbers. ahaha 4000 BoB ? wow, did we recruit or what ? Look, so far I have been utterly unimpressed with Iron. And that's disregarding numbers or tactics or taking any intitiative without G holding your hands. If you'd add those little facts too, I simply get more respect for G, jsut for putting up with you. _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
TWD	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:38:00 - [44] Originally by: hired goon Originally by: TWD seriously though, how more of a joke can you be as alliance, IRON? He said, hiding behind his 5ive friends. Let me just defeat your silly "OMG IRON + G = 2 ALLAINCES WTF HAX" whining. We are essentially one alliance. But for the language barrier and organisations' sake, we are two. As if BoB ever really believed they'd fight only one of us after invading. It's just that, the almighty king of alliances that has and does pride itself on being capable of anything on its own, surprises all by actually asking for help. Not hard to understand. We engaged two times our numbers today twice, and came out with a positive killratio. You were there. Go buy a new ship and come back.
Daxes	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:38:00 - [45] Originally by: TWD IRON on its own outnumbers us and calls in G to outnumber us even more. Lets see how our road trip went so far. IRON has lost 2 dreads, an ungodly amount of ships and still havn't been able to recapture the outpost we have for a month now. We ask ATUK for 1 time to join the fun, to equalize the numbers - and we see IRON alts posting on the forum about our defeat? are you kidding me? seriously though, how more of a joke can you be as alliance, IRON? bringing in 5 doesnt equalize anything and u know this (G was hardly active until now in the fights between BoB and Iron). Anyways this whole discussion doesnt have any sense. The question should be what BoB wants to achive, if u are up in Deklein for a full scale war vs G/Iron then ur move to bring in 5 is absolutly ok. But u said its kinda just a roadtrip and we all know u wont get a lot of fun if we have 250+ ppl in one system. I just wish ppl would relax a bit more and not flame each other at every opportunity (and this counts for both sides).
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:39:00 - [46] Originally by: CapCrunnnch 1. With BOB having to ask for help from [5], is it not now clear to see that G/Iron are are better and stronger than BOB and it is only a matter of time until BOB are sent back to fountain in defeat? lol, the irony in this one is killing me. Originally by: CapCrunnnch 2. With BOB having to ask for help from [5], is it not now evident that you are weaker now than ever before based on the fact that 9 months ago you could do anything you liked and pwn anyone you wanted in EVE? Thanks for complementing us on how effective we were 9 months ago, our past achievements continue to speak for themselves and we're happy that all our most recent ones more than adequately rival those of the past. However, the acknowledgement of our talents and achievements from a member of the great unwashed masses such as yourself is greatly appreciated when it comes, many thanks. Originally by: CapCrunnnch 3. Will you confirm if the talk that the 30 or so members in BNC and RKK that are planning to split away from BOB and form another alliance due to discontentment, will happen now or after your war with G/Iron? Very imaginative of you, a brilliant almost BoB-esque little jab that, nice try. Originally by: CapCrunnnch Simple 3 questions, if Sirmolle or Db Preacher, Galavet, Dianabolic or Blacklight can answer them properly then maybe you can also dispell the rumours that BOB member morale is currently very low due to the fact that many of your pilots don't believe you should be up there fighting a war you can't win? Clear that up for everyone, thank you. Yup, I think I can adequately dispell that one as well. We pop up north, one of our favourite hunting grounds, for a few weeks road trip over christmas and into the new year and when we get here we find ourselves bagging an Outpost, 5 Dreadnaughts and goodness knows how much other killage, loot and even did some casual Zydrine mining in IRON's backyard...... oh hell yeah morale is reeeeeaaaaaaal low! Eve Blacklight Style
Alexison	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:39:00 - [47] As of now RKK has set standings towards Lion's Emporium at -10. The splinter faction known as Lion's Emporium will be destoyed and the pilots that have joined(LION) will forever be KOS to RKK. Die Lion
patch	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:39:00 - [48] iron and g are the most pathetic ppl in game, you morons simply cant fight atall. We have pretty even numbers here and you run and hide, you simply cant fight, you wont ever get you space back, you dont have the balls to [ 2005.12.20 16:38:51 ] GoLdeN BoY > all bob run if they dont outnumber you liek 10 times as many [ 2005.12.20 16:38:58 ] Alexison > wanna 1on
Nifel	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:40:00 - [49] Originally by: hired goon Let me just defeat your silly "OMG IRON + G = 2 ALLAINCES WTF HAX" whining. We are essentially one alliance. But for the language barrier and organisations' sake, we are two. Can someone from G confirm this? I've seen a few IRON ppl write this on the forum but no word from G. I've always looked at G/IRON as close allies but nothing more. Was I wrong? "We wield swords for the sound of laughter that used to be there long ago." RKK Ranking: (MIN13) Jata
hired goon	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:40:00 - [50] Originally by: Haematite If IRON was a real PvP allaiance we would not have to suffer Threads like this from their Alts Putting the IRON back in IRONY! -omg-
Metal Dude	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:41:00 - [51] Emm, last I checked, ATUK was still part of BoB, so our Band of Brothers don't need to ask [5] for help. We help our brothers anytime we see fit. We are cool like that. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Edoo	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:41:00 - [52] BoB stop getting so worked up
Imran	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:42:00 - [53] Its been established that iron sux in the last 10-15 consecutive bob replies, ok. Just ignore this retarted alt and pwn the north, simple as that. EwokPoacher: Why hate Gallente? Blackest Sheep: Because we are beautiful
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:42:00 - [54] Are u the same Iron that complained about ASCN alts a month ago? Dont think it ever was that bad tbh (3+ alt threads in the same day)... - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
CapCrunnnch	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:42:00 - [55] As for the answer to my 3 questions, I dont expect an answer because they are true and cant be argued. On a bigger note, I havent flamed or gone off topic yet everyone else has free reign to do so, can polaris please clean this thread, i feel its unfair all these people can call me names and get away with it. Thanks.
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:42:00 - [56] Originally by: Metal Dude Emm, last I checked, ATUK was still part of BoB, so our Band of Brothers don't need to ask [5] for help. We help our brothers anytime we see fit. We are cool like that. True dat. Eve Blacklight Style
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:42:00 - [57] rofl, low morale, riiiiggght... Tbh, you are right, I'm feeling a bit down due to the fact that fleetbattles simply dont attract me anymore. Guess whose to blame for that huh ? _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
Imran	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:43:00 - [58] PS, HI GOOB <3. EwokPoacher: Why hate Gallente? Blackest Sheep: Because we are beautiful
Necronom	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:43:00 - [59] 1st off ATUK is BoB, and always will be part of BoB. As someone said before, you never leave BoB, you're always BoB. So you're whole 1 alliance 2 languages argument is ****. ATUK aren't BoB's allies, they are BoB, just in a different IGA. Second off, IRON is very different from G, in that IRON suks, G does not. Im gna have to agree with Galavet about the whole post up the iron kill lose ratio to BoB and we'll see how well you fare in the publics eyes.
Recluse Viramor	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:43:00 - [60] Lets see.... BoB has been fighting IRON/G for over a month now right? Until now the forums haven't had much on them, and on this very day 5 comes out to help BoB... Recently a 5 alt tried to smear F-E by posing as an F-E alt... Once again it looks like the 5 alts are hard at work.
Galavet	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:44:00 - [61] Originally by: Blacklight Yup, I think I can adequately dispell that one as well. We pop up north, one of our favourite hunting grounds, for a few weeks road trip over christmas and into the new year and when we get here we find ourselves bagging an Outpost, 5 Dreadnaughts and goodness knows how much other killage, loot and even did some casual Zydrine mining in IRON's backyard...... oh hell yeah morale is reeeeeaaaaaaal low! Yes its true, just this past weekend after our 34bs kill to 0 losses performance in one day and PVP title in the championship, we thought "damn, we suck" and decided to disband BoB. Morale is just in the pits and we have no hope for recovery. Remember kids, its BoB that brings the "Internal Issues" to these alliances like IRON, not the other way around.
Caybn E'vangel	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:44:00 - [62] Originally by: TWD IRON on its own outnumbers us and calls in G to outnumber us even more. Lets see how our road trip went so far. IRON has lost 2 dreads, an ungodly amount of ships and still havn't been able to recapture the outpost we have for a month now. We ask ATUK for 1 time to join the fun, to equalize the numbers - and we see IRON alts posting on the forum about our defeat? are you kidding me? seriously though, how more of a joke can you be as alliance, IRON? For a minute there I thought I was gonna have to think up a sharp, informative, clearheaded response to this stupid thread. But it seem's TWD already nailed it. I don't want the world, I just want your half.
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:44:00 - [63] Originally by: Imran Its been established that iron sux in the last 10-15 consecutive bob replies, ok. Just ignore this retarted alt and pwn the north, simple as that. pwn the north? Do you mean IRON or BoB? Just curious... Fear the Ibis of doom.
Pehova Mindtriq	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:44:00 - [64] Originally by: Horatio Starkiller 1 + 1 = 2 That is actually the most interesting thing said in this thread
Tin Man	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:45:00 - [65] "and the pwnage of BoB ensues" If you define losing over twice the number of BS (18 v 8 atm today) as 'pwnage' then yes IRON/G are pwning BoB. As for moral being low, this couldnÆt be further from the truth. BoB just won an EVE wide PvP championship, we currently have killed hundreds of IRON BS (and plenty of G) in recent weeks, and apart from the lag are enjoying eve immensely. The greater the challenge, the greater the fun!
Maule	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:46:00 - [66] Edited by: Maule on 03/01/2006 23:48:26 Originally by: Recluse Viramor Lets see.... BoB has been fighting IRON/G for over a month now right? Until now the forums haven't had much on them, and on this very day 5 comes out to help BoB... Recently a 5 alt tried to smear F-E by posing as an F-E alt... Once again it looks like the 5 alts are hard at work. you dont know if its a [5] alt, nor do I.. and tbh its just stupid to talk about stuff you know **** about...
Sochin	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:48:00 - [67] Edited by: Sochin on 03/01/2006 23:55:18 Originally by: hired goon Originally by: TWD seriously though, how more of a joke can you be as alliance, IRON? He said, hiding behind his 5ive friends. Let me just defeat your silly "OMG IRON + G = 2 ALLAINCES WTF HAX" whining. We are essentially one alliance. But for the language barrier and organisations' sake, we are two. As if BoB ever really believed they'd fight only one of us after invading. It's just that, the almighty king of alliances that has and does pride itself on being capable of anything on its own, surprises all by actually asking for help. Not hard to understand. He said, hiding behind his G friends. You are two alliances. We are super friendly with Exuro Mortis, and they even live in our space, but we don't try and claim we are one alliance. You have two seperate killboards. Your station (only one left right?) says "An IRON station", not "A G/IRON station. We are perfectly fine fighting both of you at the same time. We want to. The only problem is, with the current lag it is suicide to jump in to you. Since you are obviously to afraid to jump into us, we have to blob you back. It is very unfortunante, but thats how it is. Hopefully the lag will calm down soon and we can get back to happily jumping into you gatecamps outnumbered and winning. Please do not think we are complaining about fighting both G and IRON simultaniously. He are simply frusterated that the current lag situation makes it impractical to fight such large blobs. We think it is sad that even though you possess this numerical advantage, you still generally refuse to enagage unless you are permitted to be setup on the gate. http://www.adrenalade.com/images/sochinsig.jpg Nemo me impune lacessit Signature image filesize limit is 24,000 bytes - Imaran
hired goon	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:48:00 - [68] Originally by: TWD We engaged two times our numbers today twice, and came out with a positive killratio. And we came out with the loot. (All hating and flaming and bickering aside... I think this part is cool because it's very similar to this chronicle, where in a major Gallente/Caldari battle both sides claim victory - one inflicted more losses and one held the battlefield -omg-
Amthrianius	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:49:00 - [69] Whats a Neutron Blaster Cannon II worth goon? ---------------
Lion El'Johnson	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:49:00 - [70] Originally by: Alexison As of now RKK has set standings towards Lion's Emporium at -10. The splinter faction known as Lion's Emporium will be destoyed and the pilots that have joined(LION) will forever be KOS to RKK. Die Lion This is so not nice Alexison. Here is me sitting here minding my own business running a respectable business and you attack me. I shall be having wrds with your CEO to find out just what sort of threats your corporation allows you to make. Also if war comes from all this hatred of me then I will wipe every last ***** one of you* smoking faced ** stained knob jockeys from the face of this game. Proper Regards, Lion El'Johnson, CEO Lion's Emporium Corporation. Proper Regards, Lion El'Johnson Lion's Emporium Corporation.
Daxes	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:50:00 - [71] Originally by: patch iron and g are the most pathetic ppl in game, you morons simply cant fight atall. We have pretty even numbers here and you run and hide, you simply cant fight, you wont ever get you space back, you dont have the balls to i hope u know that after ATUK came into JU it was something like 120 BoB/ATUK vs 60-70 G/Iron while u had 50+ BS (alone 7 scorps) and we only ~17 BS. Not that i complain about numbers (next time we might have the odds on our side or simply get more ppl online) but u really cant expect us to make a suicide attack. So plz refrain from flaming and i would again ask everyone in this thread to keep calm and remember why we play this game.
Edoo	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:51:00 - [72] Edited by: Edoo on 03/01/2006 23:51:42 bob11: anyway atuk is BoB bob2: omg i forgot about that! bob8: yeh! bob9: ATUK is BoB!!! bob421: Atuk is BoB! bob71: haha u all forgot u nubs, Atuk is BoB! bob24: Atuk is BoB! bob21: Atuk is BoB! bob69: Atuk is BoB! etc. etc. edit: not flaming jst playing about
Maule	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:52:00 - [73] Originally by: Edoo Edited by: Edoo on 03/01/2006 23:51:42 bob11: anyway atuk is BoB bob2: omg i forgot about that! bob8: yeh! bob9: ATUK is BoB!!! bob421: Atuk is BoB! bob71: haha u all forgot u nubs, Atuk is BoB! bob24: Atuk is BoB! bob21: Atuk is BoB! bob69: Atuk is BoB! etc. etc. edit: not flaming jst playing about its been said like 100 times since [5] was made.....
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:52:00 - [74] Originally by: hired goon Originally by: TWD We engaged two times our numbers today twice, and came out with a positive killratio. And we came out with the loot. (All hating and flaming and bickering aside... I think this part is cool because it's very similar to this chronicle, where in a major Gallente/Caldari battle both sides claim victory - one inflicted more losses and one held the battlefield Actually, that is a good point, but a counter point would be we engaged, have you engaged us after 5 showed up and the numbers looked pretty close to even. Fear the Ibis of doom.
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:54:00 - [75] Originally by: Daxes Originally by: patch iron and g are the most pathetic ppl in game, you morons simply cant fight atall. We have pretty even numbers here and you run and hide, you simply cant fight, you wont ever get you space back, you dont have the balls to i hope u know that after ATUK came into JU it was something like 120 BoB/ATUK vs 60-70 G/Iron while u had 50+ BS (alone 7 scorps) and we only ~17 BS. Not that i complain about numbers (next time we might have the odds on our side or simply get more ppl online) but u really cant expect us to make a suicide attack. So plz refrain from flaming and i would again ask everyone in this thread to keep calm and remember why we play this game. When we engaged we had 42 in gang and over a 160 in local (before 5 showed up) that was far from sucide. Fear the Ibis of doom.
Wuubaa	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:54:00 - [76] we suck im deleting all my accounts. bye.
Edoo	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:54:00 - [77] Originally by: Maule Originally by: Edoo Edited by: Edoo on 03/01/2006 23:51:42 bob11: anyway atuk is BoB bob2: omg i forgot about that! bob8: yeh! bob9: ATUK is BoB!!! bob421: Atuk is BoB! bob71: haha u all forgot u nubs, Atuk is BoB! bob24: Atuk is BoB! bob21: Atuk is BoB! bob69: Atuk is BoB! etc. etc. edit: not flaming jst playing about its been said like 100 times since [5] was made..... Yeh just pointing out the sudden remembrance of it in this thread just playing.
Edoo	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:55:00 - [78] Edited by: Edoo on 03/01/2006 23:57:09 meh i totally messed up this post lol
CapCrunnnch	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:55:00 - [79] Originally by: Galavet Before I respond to you please tell me if you know the BoB kill to loss ratio vs IRON. If you can prove to me you know this one simple fact, and post it here for all to see, I will respond to your post in full. Lets see how far you really want to take this debate. When CCP make a universal ingame killboard that records kill/losses, then, and only then will any stats or kills from you or any other alliance be trusted to be accurate. I'm sorry but i'm not relying on the illusion that BOB (or G/Iron) post all thier losses.
Alexison	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:55:00 - [80] Originally by: Lion El'Johnson Originally by: Alexison As of now RKK has set standings towards Lion's Emporium at -10. The splinter faction known as Lion's Emporium will be destoyed and the pilots that have joined(LION) will forever be KOS to RKK. Die Lion This is so not nice Alexison. Here is me sitting here minding my own business running a respectable business and you attack me. I shall be having wrds with your CEO to find out just what sort of threats your corporation allows you to make. Also if war comes from all this hatred of me then I will wipe every last ***** one of you* smoking faced ** stained knob jockeys from the face of this game. Proper Regards, Lion El'Johnson, CEO Lion's Emporium Corporation. I have proof that you have been supplying our enemies with WCS even WCS bpos researched to the thousands! RKK can not, I repeat, CAN NOT let this happen. Lion, you and your warp core stab selling BPO will die at the hands of our finest pilots. Nothing of your mining lasers t2 will be left to witness the sheer destruction of your corporation!
patch	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:55:00 - [81] Edited by: patch on 03/01/2006 23:56:19 Originally by: Daxes Originally by: patch iron and g are the most pathetic ppl in game, you morons simply cant fight atall. We have pretty even numbers here and you run and hide, you simply cant fight, you wont ever get you space back, you dont have the balls to i hope u know that after ATUK came into JU it was something like 120 BoB/ATUK vs 60-70 G/Iron while u had 50+ BS (alone 7 scorps) and we only ~17 BS. Not that i complain about numbers (next time we might have the odds on our side or simply get more ppl online) but u really cant expect us to make a suicide attack. So plz refrain from flaming and i would again ask everyone in this thread to keep calm and remember why we play this game. you need to learn to count pal [ 2005.12.20 16:38:51 ] GoLdeN BoY > all bob run if they dont outnumber you liek 10 times as many [ 2005.12.20 16:38:58 ] Alexison > wanna 1on
Daxes	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:56:00 - [82] Originally by: Boonaki Actually, that is a good point, but a counter point would be we engaged, have you engaged us after 5 showed up and the numbers looked pretty close to even. To quote myself: Originally by: Daxes Originally by: patch iron and g are the most pathetic ppl in game, you morons simply cant fight atall. We have pretty even numbers here and you run and hide, you simply cant fight, you wont ever get you space back, you dont have the balls to i hope u know that after ATUK came into JU it was something like 120 BoB/ATUK vs 60-70 G/Iron while u had 50+ BS (alone 7 scorps) and we only ~17 BS. Not that i complain about numbers (next time we might have the odds on our side or simply get more ppl online) but u really cant expect us to make a suicide attack. So plz refrain from flaming and i would again ask everyone in this thread to keep calm and remember why we play this game. I dont know from where u get ur information but i am sure that even ur own fleetcommander will admit that im not posting propaganda here.
TWD	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:56:00 - [83] Edited by: TWD on 03/01/2006 23:56:01 Originally by: Daxes Originally by: patch iron and g are the most pathetic ppl in game, you morons simply cant fight atall. We have pretty even numbers here and you run and hide, you simply cant fight, you wont ever get you space back, you dont have the balls to i hope u know that after ATUK came into JU it was something like 120 BoB/ATUK vs 60-70 G/Iron while u had 50+ BS (alone 7 scorps) and we only ~17 BS. Not that i complain about numbers (next time we might have the odds on our side or simply get more ppl online) but u really cant expect us to make a suicide attack. So plz refrain from flaming and i would again ask everyone in this thread to keep calm and remember why we play this game. It is true we outnumbered you shortly(?) after ATUK jumped in. Yesterday we saw a 130 pilot IRON+pets gang and a 60? pilot G gang - so yeah we were kinda short on numbers. That is why we asked ATUK yesterday to come up for today. You got to understand that these alts posting about 'defeat' (wtf?) can get on our nerves :) We will leave at some point to go back home.. the roadtrip was already extended. That will probably go together with even more alts posting how we are 'defeated'
ildra	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:57:00 - [84] Originally by: Edoo Edited by: Edoo on 03/01/2006 23:51:42 bob11: anyway atuk is BoB bob2: omg i forgot about that! bob8: yeh! bob9: ATUK is BoB!!! bob421: Atuk is BoB! bob71: haha u all forgot u nubs, Atuk is BoB! bob24: Atuk is BoB! bob21: Atuk is BoB! bob69: Atuk is BoB! etc. etc. edit: not flaming jst playing about PA1: wee, nbsi is PA PA2: yeah pa is nbsi PA3: nbsi is PA ! NBSI: we're PA ! F-E4: we're PA NBSI: we're F-E ! 5: ur all lemmings.. PA1,PA2,PA3,NBSI, F-E4,NBSI jumps of a cliff. at least u die with friends.

Abdalion	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:59:00 - [85] Originally by: Edoo This guy is evidently Abdalion's alt Oh for sure, I just love starting flames so I have something to do instead of mining my ice in peace in Jita Unlocked. --- forum rules \| [email protected] I ♥ You.... ¬ Shepherd of the [23]

Lorth	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:00:00 - [86] Originally by: Daxes i hope u know that after ATUK came into JU it was something like 120 BoB/ATUK vs 60-70 G/Iron while u had 50+ BS (alone 7 scorps) and we only ~17 BS. While I certainly don' want to add to a flame fest... According to what I know, yesterday BOB were sat on a gate with nearly those exact opposite numbers waiting for IRON to jump in, whihc of course they didn't. Now if BOB has to confidence to fight under those odds, why can't IRON, who according to the fanbio's are every bit the powerhouse that BOB is.
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:01:00 - [87] Originally by: Edoo Originally by: Maule Originally by: Edoo Edited by: Edoo on 03/01/2006 23:51:42 bob11: anyway atuk is BoB bob2: omg i forgot about that! bob8: yeh! bob9: ATUK is BoB!!! bob421: Atuk is BoB! bob71: haha u all forgot u nubs, Atuk is BoB! bob24: Atuk is BoB! bob21: Atuk is BoB! bob69: Atuk is BoB! etc. etc. edit: not flaming jst playing about its been said like 100 times since [5] was made..... Yeh just pointing out the sudden remembrance of it in this thread just playing. just playing along: there is no need for a sudden remembrance about that from any bob member (be them atuk or in the other corps) simply because we are all aware of it. It only seems sudden because we have to constantly remind the uninformed forum tards of it who seem to have the attention span of a 5 yo when it comes to accept easy pieces of information. As for tonights trip, its been fun, not like FE would have offered a fight, like last night. So we thought G after beeing praised on the forums would offer and jump for an equal fight. Guess not.
Caybn E'vangel	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:01:00 - [88] As for morale, my roomate didn't pay the net bill this month like He said he would, and my stolen wireless is too shakey for eve :( so yeah, my morale atm is rock bottom 'til i get it back up. But from what ive seen over the last month, there is nothing, absolutely nothing IRON as an alliance could do to evoke any emotional reaction in me besides laughter and pity. You guys are just too cute. I don't want the world, I just want your half.
Lion El'Johnson	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:04:00 - [89] Originally by: Alexison Originally by: Lion El'Johnson Originally by: Alexison As of now RKK has set standings towards Lion's Emporium at -10. The splinter faction known as Lion's Emporium will be destoyed and the pilots that have joined(LION) will forever be KOS to RKK. Die Lion This is so not nice Alexison. Here is me sitting here minding my own business running a respectable business and you attack me. I shall be having wrds with your CEO to find out just what sort of threats your corporation allows you to make. Also if war comes from all this hatred of me then I will wipe every last ***** one of you* smoking faced ** stained knob jockeys from the face of this game. Proper Regards, Lion El'Johnson, CEO Lion's Emporium Corporation. I have proof that you have been supplying our enemies with WCS even WCS bpos researched to the thousands! RKK can not, I repeat, CAN NOT let this happen. Lion, you and your warp core stab selling BPO will die at the hands of our finest pilots. Nothing of your mining lasers t2 will be left to witness the sheer destruction of your corporation! I am sorry but I am a neutral entity between BoB and IRON/G. I supply high quality ships and modules. Who buys them is not my concern. As for the "RKK CAN NOT let this happen" I mean honestly what are you gonna do? Bring the "might" of RKK and BoB down on me? This free Minmatar is not impressed. Go threaten someone who will o running to their corporation crying "OMG RKK is after us. What are we gonna do?" because frankly you guys couldn't fight ya way out of a wet paper bag. You stoop to low levels in threating this corporation who caters for new capsuleer pilots. On the other hand it might make it more fun for the members in a war dec... But no sorry I will not bring my corporation to the depths you have sunk. Galavet control your peons they are embarassing you :P Proper Regards, Lion El'Johnson, CEO Lion's Emporium Corporation.
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:05:00 - [90] Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Edoo This guy is evidently Abdalion's alt Oh for sure, I just love starting flames so I have something to do instead of mining my ice in peace in Jita Unlocked. Why not leave it locked? Fear the Ibis of doom.

Abdalion	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:05:00 - [91] Reopened. Please do not go all personal on each other. I may have missed some posts, will keep checking back. Some of you check your email please? And read the links included? --- forum rules \| [email protected] I ♥ You.... ¬ Shepherd of the [23]

Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:06:00 - [92] Originally by: Daxes i hope u know that after ATUK came into JU it was something like 120 BoB/ATUK vs 60-70 G/Iron while u had 50+ BS (alone 7 scorps) and we only ~17 BS. Not that i complain about numbers (next time we might have the odds on our side or simply get more ppl online) but u really cant expect us to make a suicide attack. Regardless of the numbers, Daxes, we commit to such attacks all the time - yet the one time we decide to bring up equal numbers there are TWO posts claiming our demise? It's laughable. Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
Logan Williams	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:07:00 - [93] Originally by: Metal Dude Emm, last I checked, ATUK was still part of BoB, so our Band of Brothers don't need to ask [5] for help. We help our brothers anytime we see fit. We are cool like that. Band of Brothers.........The Five. ATUK being part of BoB makes >perfect< sense, funny that the alliances are different. You used to be part of BoB before the IGA, now you guys are only there in spirit. As far as IRON being the worst IGA ever.....BoB has to be desperate. Last I heard, BoB stopped flying with ATUK because ATUK smacks too much. At any rate, NO alliance deserves to have an alt polluting the forums with this garbage. Go back to playing with your barbies.

Abdalion	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:09:00 - [94] Originally by: Boonaki Why not leave it locked? Let's call this a heated debate at this point. --- forum rules \| [email protected] I ♥ You.... ¬ Shepherd of the [23]

reaTh	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:09:00 - [95] Originally by: Logan Williams Originally by: Metal Dude Emm, last I checked, ATUK was still part of BoB, so our Band of Brothers don't need to ask [5] for help. We help our brothers anytime we see fit. We are cool like that. Band of Brothers.........The Five. ATUK being part of BoB makes >perfect< sense, funny that the alliances are different. You used to be part of BoB before the IGA, now you guys are only there in spirit. As far as IRON being the worst IGA ever.....BoB has to be desperate. Last I heard, BoB stopped flying with ATUK because ATUK smacks too much. At any rate, NO alliance deserves to have an alt polluting the forums with this garbage. Go back to playing with your barbies. how lil u no bout bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Current RKK Ranking: (MIN9) Zuvan
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:13:00 - [96] Edited by: Boonaki on 04/01/2006 00:14:41 Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Boonaki Why not leave it locked? Let's call this a heated debate at this point. Heated? Naw man that's in game, and caused by beam lasers, torpedos, arty, etc... This is some ***** that just gave the two sides a way to talk while ignoring the first post. Fear the Ibis of doom.
theRaptor	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:23:00 - [97] Edited by: theRaptor on 04/01/2006 00:27:17 Edited by: theRaptor on 04/01/2006 00:24:44 Originally by: Daxes Originally by: patch iron and g are the most pathetic ppl in game, you morons simply cant fight atall. We have pretty even numbers here and you run and hide, you simply cant fight, you wont ever get you space back, you dont have the balls to i hope u know that after ATUK came into JU it was something like 120 BoB/ATUK vs 60-70 G/Iron while u had 50+ BS (alone 7 scorps) and we only ~17 BS. Not that i complain about numbers (next time we might have the odds on our side or simply get more ppl online) but u really cant expect us to make a suicide attack. So plz refrain from flaming and i would again ask everyone in this thread to keep calm and remember why we play this game. Yes because most of you scapered as soon as you realised ATUK were incoming. When G/IRON first jumped in it was 90 of you vs 50 of us. And as they lag was so bad the only way to fight you was to blob back. I had to wait for fifteen minutes and then relog just to see you, and even then I only jammed the BS in my sig after several minutes of locking. Was way to FUBARed to use any real tactics. By which time I was dead because I was involved in an attack on one of your safes, in which I warped early and got killed before my screen loaded. Some how I got my pod out. I don't think you trust, in, my, self-righteous suicide.
Professor Utonium	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:29:00 - [98] I don't really have an opinion on the whole alliance fights other then they're interesting to read but I have a viewpoint into the G / Iron partnership that seemingly becomes a point of which to attack them on. Coming from a multi-ethnical guild of previous games the idea of sister guilds / alliances of vastly different playerbases (german & other - japanese & other in my example)have a valid place in the mmo genre. I can understand why the two go hand in hand, especially here in EVE. I'd wager if not for the language difficulties of a combined alliance chat they'd all just be in one big alliance already.
DoctorGonzo	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:29:00 - [99] Originally by: CapCrunnnch Edited by: CapCrunnnch on 03/01/2006 23:23:38 So you swallowed your pride and were forced to ask [5] for help against G/Iron. Tbh [5] were as surprised as the rest of us watching from the outside but no one blames you as now you realise that G/Iron are too strong to be taken lightly. Now that you have been reduced from an alliance that used to make people beg for help to one doing the begging, can you confirm whether you will ask for even more help from others to hold G/Iron off? Sirmolle: We dont want to see anymore "I am the masterchef", "I have the spoon", "that is all" arrogant type of cheastbeating ever again. You've begged for help so can no longer maintain the stance that BOB or you are almighty. Just like everyone else, fight your wars and keep the chest beating on your own forums, because when you dont, and somewhere along the line you get your asses whupped (as we see up north) then you only end up asking for help and it makes you look pathetic - especially if 1n the same breath you start telling everyone how good you are or how big your spoon/cooking is. Our problem is not with BoB but with the man behind bob who beats his chest then hides away from tough questions. So to prove a point yet again, will someone in BOB with authority...preferably the 'master chef', answer these 3 simple questions that the whole of eve would like answered: 1. With BOB having to ask for help from [5], is it not now clear to see that G/Iron are are better and stronger than BOB and it is only a matter of time until BOB are sent back to fountain in defeat? 2. With BOB having to ask for help from [5], is it not now evident that you are weaker now than ever before based on the fact that 9 months ago you could do anything you liked and pwn anyone you wanted in EVE? 3. Will you confirm if the talk that the 30 or so members in BNC and RKK that are planning to split away from BOB and form another alliance due to discontentment, will happen now or after your war with G/Iron? Simple 3 questions, if Sirmolle or Db Preacher, Galavet, Dianabolic or Blacklight can answer them properly then maybe you can also dispell the rumours that BOB member morale is currently very low due to the fact that many of your pilots don't believe you should be up there fighting a war you can't win? Clear that up for everyone, thank you. Awesome post - I nearly fell off my chair laughing! So letÆs just check some facts about how we're losing so badly and how our extended road trip in the North has brought BoB to the brink of disaster. As it's been exactly one month I'll share some facts with you. BoB Road Trip Total Kills - 2476 BoB Road Trip Total Losses - 505 Our Kills include - 5 Dreadnaughts and 550 Battleships Road Trip specifically against IRON Kills - 837 Road Trip specifically against IRON Losses - 106 Our Kills against IRON specifically include - 2 Dreadnaughts and 106 Battleships As you can see we've killed more battleships than we've lost total ships, both overall and specifically against IRON. We won the Caldari event and we've moved our Capital ship programme on substantially with all the minerals we've mined in Deklein. So CapCrunnch you are absolutely right, we're a spent force that can't achieve anything! /still rolling around laughing! Get Your BoB Protection Kit Here
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:35:00 - [100] Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 04/01/2006 00:35:35 hired goon: "Let me just defeat your silly "OMG IRON + G = 2 ALLAINCES WTF HAX" whining. We are essentially one alliance. But for the language barrier and organisations' sake, we are two." hmm - if G rlly thinks Iron is the same(~?!) alliance?
EL TITAN	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:41:00 - [101] it must really be stinging now huh. so many days seeing BOB still controlling your outpost, the one you put BILLIONS into. haha so funny :) _________________________________________________ <3 hi
Cummilla	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:41:00 - [102] Originally by: Boonaki It may not be an IRON alt. Could be G, F-E, Ikvar, or Tomb. "Or Tomb" LMAO
Berneh	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:44:00 - [103] Can i be in this thread ? Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar
theRaptor	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:45:00 - [104] And I would just like to say that the lag was a complete joke. Last night I went to the Caldari Prime memorial which had over a 100 ships all at the planet, and there was no lag just lowish framerates. Tonight in JU the server barfed so bad that most of the BoB fleet didn't see any enemies jump in for ten minutes, and even then most of us had to relog. I can only assume the same thing happend to G/IRON or else they would have slaughtered us at the initial jump in. And there was only about 80 or so ship's at the gate. CCP fix your damn code. Large number's of jump in's break client sync. I don't think you trust, in, my, self-righteous suicide.

Abdalion	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:47:00 - [105] Originally by: omgwhowasthatmaskedman Can i be in this thread ? No. Were you here? --- forum rules \| [email protected] I ♥ You.... ¬ Shepherd of the [23]

Jin'Roh	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:54:00 - [106] Edited by: Jin''Roh on 04/01/2006 00:54:51 everyone says: fighting is fun, lets of have lots of fun fighting each other blablablabla when 2 fleets meet lag'em out guys!!11eleven put the bubbles up!1! tacklers hug the gate, battleships 120km away. make it so blabla result: no fun solution: meet in the same grid, wait few minutes. everything and everyone has loaded. fight you will have some lag, but much less like after warping/jumping into an enemy fleet. then you all have fun, everyone is happy. or not? cause the enemy can shoot back? and you cant pwn him on the forums after the battle? your descision jin
theRaptor	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:59:00 - [107] Originally by: Jin'Roh solution: meet in the same grid, wait few minutes. everything and everyone has loaded. fight you will have some lag, but much less like after warping/jumping into an enemy fleet. then you all have fun, everyone is happy. or not? cause the enemy can shoot back? and you cant pwn him on the forums after the battle? your descision jin Nope, because manuevering the fleet is half the battle. That is why good fleet commanders can wipe out mediocre fleets who have a numbers advantage. Your idea would mean the battle would be pretty much decided before you even undocked. It would just be a fight of fire power and electronic warfare. I don't think you trust, in, my, self-righteous suicide.
Dracorimus	Posted - 2006.01.04 01:09:00 - [108] Oh god the drama, I wanna burst ! Lol how can morale be low, you just witnessed BoB proving itself in the Caldari Championships, were all as high as kites and nothing will change that. All that bugs me atm is this horrendous lag, I want to be able to use my ship the way its meant to be used and not "wonder if it will load" every time we engage/jump in. Nothing more to say. - Shrike > BALLS DROPPED IN BELT AvanCade > lol Shrike > that didnt sound good.
KSUDruid	Posted - 2006.01.04 01:20:00 - [109] I'm richer now than I was before I came north. Is it normal to get 4-5 Dread Spawns every night in JU-? And seriously, I think IRON carries around Arbalest siege launchers on their ships for the pure Bling factor it adds. I Love This place, it's like the caldari loot w***age promised land. -Druid
s1r molle	Posted - 2006.01.04 01:30:00 - [110] Originally by: Horatio Starkiller You know we've never complained about the fact were facing 2 alliances at the same time... G + IRON, 1 + 1 = 2. No - but you have now
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.01.04 01:32:00 - [111] Originally by: s1r molle Originally by: Horatio Starkiller You know we've never complained about the fact were facing 2 alliances at the same time... G + IRON, 1 + 1 = 2. No - but you have now Please quote that, mr alt. Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
Senjii	Posted - 2006.01.04 01:36:00 - [112] Originally by: TWD We engaged two times our numbers today twice, and came out with a positive killratio. how come that IRON/G killboard shows different? compare kills on both sides only and thats expecially isk wise not true
s1r molle	Posted - 2006.01.04 01:40:00 - [113] Originally by: Senjii Originally by: TWD We engaged two times our numbers today twice, and came out with a positive killratio. how come that IRON/G killboard shows different? compare kills on both sides only and thats expecially isk wise not true if you came out best in the engagements how come you were all forced to warp out back to your pos's? I always thought the victor was the one left standing on the battlefield
Angelus X	Posted - 2006.01.04 01:43:00 - [114] Edited by: Angelus X on 04/01/2006 01:43:37 Originally by: Senjii Originally by: TWD We engaged two times our numbers today twice, and came out with a positive killratio. how come that IRON/G killboard shows different? compare kills on both sides only and thats expecially isk wise not true Because IRON dont post all their losses??! , and AFAIK the mining b****h corps dont post their losses there either? --------------------
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.01.04 01:46:00 - [115] Originally by: s1r molle Originally by: Senjii Originally by: TWD We engaged two times our numbers today twice, and came out with a positive killratio. how come that IRON/G killboard shows different? compare kills on both sides only and thats expecially isk wise not true if you came out best in the engagements how come you were all forced to warp out back to your pos's? I always thought the victor was the one left standing on the battlefield 2 things, mr alt. 1 - Look who you're talking to, it ain't a bob pilot. 2 - If your only measure of "victory" is who holds the battlefield then you really have outdone yourself for noobishness. Victory is far more complex than who kills the most, or who holds the battlefield at the end, anybody who fights would know this - this of course reaffirms my opinion that you are, as already stated, clueless. Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
Dracorimus	Posted - 2006.01.04 01:47:00 - [116] Quote: how come that IRON/G killboard shows different? compare kills on both sides only and thats expecially isk wise not true Yes so dreadnoughts dont count then ISK wise eh ? Or a multi billion outpost or god knows how many battleships of theirs we have killed, ok... - Shrike > BALLS DROPPED IN BELT AvanCade > lol Shrike > that didnt sound good.
Lunas Feelgood	Posted - 2006.01.04 01:51:00 - [117] All i wanna know why this flamefest hasnt been lock yet???
s1r molle	Posted - 2006.01.04 01:52:00 - [118] Originally by: Darkrydar Originally by: Political Observer numbers? IRON/G versus Stain/ASCN 1300 versus 4000 Success! BoB with the "while you were away attack" making it 4000+BoB versus iron's miners at JU-. Iron/G come home, BoB calls for [5], and the pwnage of BoB ensues. BoB cries about numbers. ahaha Success in what? Losing an outpost BoB taking IRON's outpost was no major feat, even PA cud have done it. The fact is that the main forces wern't there to protect it. If a big battle had of been for the outpost and BoB put on a good show then u'd deserve a cookie for sure, but infact the complete opposite :P and besides - it gave us something to do when we finished with ASCN :) Watch it be taken back :) peace
s1r molle	Posted - 2006.01.04 01:54:00 - [119] ......also remember - your doing well (yes i admit youve done very well) but only at this stage of the conflict - its far from over - it will be interesting to see this unfold........
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.01.04 01:57:00 - [120] "how come that IRON/G killboard shows different?" battleship kills in the system in question today, after 20:00 eve-time * G/IRON: 9 ships lost according to BoB kb * BoB: 7 ships lost according to G/IRON kboards... (8 if you include a loss from BoB kb that isn't listed in G/IRON kill section, for the sake of accuracy) 9:8 with the smaller side actually killing more... not sure what you mean by "killboards showing differently" here. o.O;

Abdalion	Posted - 2006.01.04 01:59:00 - [121] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood All i wanna know why this flamefest hasnt been lock yet??? Call it a social experiment. Let's see if people can't air their frustrations out in a semi-civil manner, and maybe, just maybe, people will come to their senses on their own? I removed several personally driven attack posts from this thread. --- forum rules \| [email protected] I ♥ You.... ¬ Shepherd of the [23]


Abdalion	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:02:00 - [122] Originally by: Dianabolic this of course reaffirms my opinion that you are, as already stated, clueless. Please stop feeding the trolls. Thanks! --- forum rules \| [email protected] I ♥ You.... ¬ Shepherd of the [23]

s1r molle	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:03:00 - [123] Originally by: j0sephine "how come that IRON/G killboard shows different?" battleship kills in the system in question today, after 20:00 eve-time * G/IRON: 9 ships lost according to BoB kb * BoB: 7 ships lost according to G/IRON kboards... (8 if you include a loss from BoB kb that isn't listed in G/IRON kill section, for the sake of accuracy) 9:8 with the smaller side actually killing more... not sure what you mean by "killboards showing differently" here. o.O; bob didnt kill a single ship......... we killed 15 of your BS......
Evil Thug	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:06:00 - [124] Well. I think, that if BoB needed to ask ATUK for help, then something broke . It will be fair - sure. But i think, that this is first signal for Iron and G My 2 cents. ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust
Omeega	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:10:00 - [125] Originally by: Evil Thug Well. I think, that if BoB needed to ask ATUK for help, then something broke . It will be fair - sure. But i think, that this is first signal for Iron and G My 2 cents. holy siht you... forum... whoere! Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...

Abdalion	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:12:00 - [126] Originally by: Dianabolic My apologies, his posts are just so blatantly a wind up, inaccurate and downright lies, I think I may need counselling in how to reply to them in a "non-food" way Ignoring the trolls works. That and a heavy stick, I mean click! --- forum rules \| [email protected] I ♥ You.... ¬ Shepherd of the [23]

Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:13:00 - [127] Originally by: Omeega You knew G/IRON were coming back. Cool for you that ATUK came to help you. But it's surely a sign of weekness - blobed or not you knew what G/IRON were capable of :( But still it's a alt thread so we can't do much. sigh Omeega, we're quite happy to engage the numbers being thrown at us - [5] came along to make a point - we can blob too, we just choose not to because it's a lame reliance on zerging rather than skill, or tactics. Maybe atuk will stick around, maybe they'll bring up their dreads and maybe we'll go take vfk and turn our road trip in to something more longterm? Maybe we'll leave on our own schedule and just laugh at the ineptitude that allowed us to kill all them dreads "whilst no one was home"? The irony is thick, oh yes. Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
TWD	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:14:00 - [128] Whatever we do, we'll have fanboys and other people flaming/trolling us. I guess that is what we get for being the most popular alliance.

Abdalion	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:14:00 - [129] Originally by: omgwhowasthatmaskedman Huh you locked it ? Odd Huh? --- forum rules \| [email protected] I ♥ You.... ¬ Shepherd of the [23]

Berneh	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:15:00 - [130] Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: omgwhowasthatmaskedman Can i be in this thread ? No. Were you here? it was me :( i'm contributing honest , just give me time to get warmed up ! Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar
Berneh	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:16:00 - [131] Originally by: Berneh Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: omgwhowasthatmaskedman Can i be in this thread ? No. Were you here? it was me :( i'm contributing honest , just give me time to get warmed up ! Aha ! I win with a fantastic last minute double quoteing manouver ! Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar

Abdalion	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:17:00 - [132] Originally by: omgwhowasthatmaskedman Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: omgwhowasthatmaskedman Can i be in this thread ? No. Were you here? it was me :( i'm contributing honest , just give me time to get warmed up ! The thread was warm enough already, thanks and please drive through. --- forum rules \| [email protected] I ♥ You.... ¬ Shepherd of the [23]


Abdalion	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:18:00 - [133] Originally by: omgwhowasthatmaskedman Originally by: omgwhowasthatmaskedman Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: omgwhowasthatmaskedman Can i be in this thread ? No. Were you here? it was me :( i'm contributing honest , just give me time to get warmed up ! Aha ! I win with a fantastic last minute double quoteing manouver ! Shh. --- forum rules \| [email protected] I ♥ You.... ¬ Shepherd of the [23]

Omeega	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:19:00 - [134] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Omeega You knew G/IRON were coming back. Cool for you that ATUK came to help you. But it's surely a sign of weekness - blobed or not you knew what G/IRON were capable of :( But still it's a alt thread so we can't do much. sigh Omeega, we're quite happy to engage the numbers being thrown at us - [5] came along to make a point - we can blob too, we just choose not to because it's a lame reliance on zerging rather than skill, or tactics. Maybe atuk will stick around, maybe they'll bring up their dreads and maybe we'll go take vfk and turn our road trip in to something more longterm? Maybe we'll leave on our own schedule and just laugh at the ineptitude that allowed us to kill all them dreads "whilst no one was home"? The irony is thick, oh yes. yes i see your point. but when this alt says that something happened for you to need to call ATUK i think he has a point. Don't take it personally. G/IRON have great numbers/skills and know how to use them. You might think that tacticaly (excuse my english) you're better but still, at this time, lag wins. So why bring more guys in if you're already complaining about lag? Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Darwin	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:21:00 - [135] Iron/G Alts FTW!!!
Antoinette Civari	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:21:00 - [136] Edited by: Antoinette Civari on 04/01/2006 02:21:44 Originally by: Omeega So why bring more guys in if you're already complaining about lag? I think he already stated the one and only reason .. Originally by: Dianabolic [5] came along to make a point - we can blob too, we just choose not to because it's a lame reliance on zerging rather than skill, or tactics.
Lilan Kahn	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:22:00 - [137] Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: omgwhowasthatmaskedman Originally by: omgwhowasthatmaskedman Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: omgwhowasthatmaskedman Can i be in this thread ? No. Were you here? it was me :( i'm contributing honest , just give me time to get warmed up ! Aha ! I win with a fantastic last minute double quoteing manouver ! Shh. WTS a coffe to help you stay awake Ps some one ban that Abdalion hes oblius trolling the thread!!! Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Omeega	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:23:00 - [138] Originally by: Antoinette Civari Edited by: Antoinette Civari on 04/01/2006 02:21:44 Originally by: Omeega So why bring more guys in if you're already complaining about lag? I think he already stated the one and only reason .. Originally by: Dianabolic [5] came along to make a point - we can blob too, we just choose not to because it's a lame reliance on zerging rather than skill, or tactics. Ok. I'm sorry. So ATUK came and left to show they were there? Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Dirtball	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:26:00 - [139] fighting outnumbered is no longer something to be proud of, the disparity in ships is too great these days.
Parity	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:29:00 - [140] Edited by: Parity on 04/01/2006 02:33:01 Respect to G/Iron nothing more nothing less! and wich 5 will help bob the venal 5 (atuk) or the Syndicate 5 (Boss/Supr) those are 2 diferent five u know... anyway Respect G/Iron ur the best! -= NBSI 4TW! =-
EL TITAN	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:29:00 - [141] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Antoinette Civari Edited by: Antoinette Civari on 04/01/2006 02:21:44 Originally by: Omeega So why bring more guys in if you're already complaining about lag? I think he already stated the one and only reason .. Originally by: Dianabolic [5] came along to make a point - we can blob too, we just choose not to because it's a lame reliance on zerging rather than skill, or tactics. Ok. I'm sorry. So ATUK came and left to show they were there? nooo... re-read again. [5] came along to make a point - we can blob too, we just choose not to because it's a lame reliance on zerging rather than skill, or tactics. _________________________________________________ <3 hi
Omeega	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:31:00 - [142] Originally by: EL TITAN Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Antoinette Civari Edited by: Antoinette Civari on 04/01/2006 02:21:44 Originally by: Omeega So why bring more guys in if you're already complaining about lag? I think he already stated the one and only reason .. Originally by: Dianabolic [5] came along to make a point - we can blob too, we just choose not to because it's a lame reliance on zerging rather than skill, or tactics. Ok. I'm sorry. So ATUK came and left to show they were there? nooo... re-read again. [5] came along to make a point - we can blob too, we just choose not to because it's a lame reliance on zerging rather than skill, or tactics. ok. this is my last chance, it's quite late this must be a good reason enough. ATUK came to show G/IRON that BOB was also able to BLOB. yes? then ATUK left end of story? Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
invaderzim	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:34:00 - [143] I suspect Abdalion started this thread. ----------------- "Oh, he's very popular Ed. The sportos, the motorheads, geeks, **s, bloods, waistoids, dweebies, **heads - they all adore him. They think he's a righteous dude."
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:36:00 - [144] "I suspect Abdalion started this thread. " To be honest, i can easily imagine Oveur posting this sort of things every now and then under the guise of random alt, and cackling maniacally as he does so... o.o;
Sorja	Posted - 2006.01.04 03:16:00 - [145] Originally by: Darwin Iron/G Alts FTW!!! I'm not as sure as you seem to be, this thread doesn't sound like an IRON alt thread and G doesn't use alts, as far as I know. Anyways, BoB show here the lowest profile I can recall of, even arguing about numbers. They are farther and farther away from the undisputed control of the game they were claiming, or at least does it seem so. It doesn't matter at all if they have JU outpost or not, it costs them lots in fuel, not even mentioning the daunting logistics. G/IRON comes from the south and perfectly know that leaving BoB in control of JU is a very wise tactical move. G/IRON could probably take the outpost back with dreads but they don't need to. BoB is stranded in the mud (aka CCP secret lag recipes) and will probably leave soon in disgust. When BoB leave the north, they will have failed to take control of space they claimed to be theirs and will have failed to split G and IRON, so their only victory will be their killratio. As proved by ASCN, handing ships by hundreds to the enemy has little meaning in EVE so this roadtrip might have a very negative impact on their morale. The sadest thing in this is that lag is arbitrating space control a bit too much.
Wizie	Posted - 2006.01.04 03:44:00 - [146] Originally by: Sorja Originally by: Darwin Iron/G Alts FTW!!! I'm not as sure as you seem to be, this thread doesn't sound like an IRON alt thread and G doesn't use alts, as far as I know. Anyways, BoB show here the lowest profile I can recall of, even arguing about numbers. They are farther and farther away from the undisputed control of the game they were claiming, or at least does it seem so. It doesn't matter at all if they have JU outpost or not, it costs them lots in fuel, not even mentioning the daunting logistics. G/IRON comes from the south and perfectly know that leaving BoB in control of JU is a very wise tactical move. G/IRON could probably take the outpost back with dreads but they don't need to. BoB is stranded in the mud (aka CCP secret lag recipes) and will probably leave soon in disgust. When BoB leave the north, they will have failed to take control of space they claimed to be theirs and will have failed to split G and IRON, so their only victory will be their killratio. As proved by ASCN, handing ships by hundreds to the enemy has little meaning in EVE so this roadtrip might have a very negative impact on their morale. The sadest thing in this is that lag is arbitrating space control a bit too much. So IRON/G lost to ASCN and BOB will (as you claim) lose to G/IRON. Therefore... LAG > ASCN > G/IRON > BOB
pershphanie	Posted - 2006.01.04 03:45:00 - [147] Originally by: Sorja The sadest thing in this is that lag is arbitrating space control a bit too much. Sorry about that. But we need to use our lag h4x so atuk dont pwn us.
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2006.01.04 03:46:00 - [148] Originally by: CapCrunnnch 3. Will you confirm if the talk that the 30 or so members in BNC and RKK that are planning to split away from BOB and form another alliance due to discontentment, will happen now or after your war with G/Iron? also dispell the rumours that BOB member morale is currently very low due to the fact that many of your pilots don't believe you should be up there fighting a war you can't win? Clear that up for everyone, thank you. Dear Iron alt. This is a very amateur attempt at sowing dissension in BoB ranks. Sowing the seeds of dissension is our game, one we are masters of, and you will have to do far better then this pitiful attempt if you hope to have any meaningful effect. Politics and public opinion is a warzone in and of itself, like any other battle you must be armed properly to win. You sir, appear to be armed with a pez dispenser. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
TWD	Posted - 2006.01.04 03:56:00 - [149] Originally by: Sorja Originally by: Darwin Iron/G Alts FTW!!! I'm not as sure as you seem to be, this thread doesn't sound like an IRON alt thread and G doesn't use alts, as far as I know. Anyways, BoB show here the lowest profile I can recall of, even arguing about numbers. They are farther and farther away from the undisputed control of the game they were claiming, or at least does it seem so. It doesn't matter at all if they have JU outpost or not, it costs them lots in fuel, not even mentioning the daunting logistics. G/IRON comes from the south and perfectly know that leaving BoB in control of JU is a very wise tactical move. G/IRON could probably take the outpost back with dreads but they don't need to. BoB is stranded in the mud (aka CCP secret lag recipes) and will probably leave soon in disgust. When BoB leave the north, they will have failed to take control of space they claimed to be theirs and will have failed to split G and IRON, so their only victory will be their killratio. As proved by ASCN, handing ships by hundreds to the enemy has little meaning in EVE so this roadtrip might have a very negative impact on their morale. The sadest thing in this is that lag is arbitrating space control a bit too much. I see. these are all tactical manoeuvres by IRON. tactical retreat from ASCN space. tactical dread & ship losses - letting BoB tactically mine the minerals in deklein space. tactically letting BoB control the outpost you build for a month. but hey - even after all this BoB will leave and go home and we'll claim a tactical victory. it all makes sense now. very good moves IRON.
Metal Dude	Posted - 2006.01.04 04:07:00 - [150] Edited by: Metal Dude on 04/01/2006 04:10:23 Man, all of this forum attention just makes me all nice and warm inside. Just when we thought that we might be running out of targets, all of these new targets appear on the forums. You folks just donÆt seem to understand what makes us tick, do you? Anyway, it was our pleasure flying along our brothers tonight. We might have to do this more often if thatÆs what gets our opponents nervous. If anything, it sure does makes the forums come to life. Cheers. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
SaorAlba	Posted - 2006.01.04 04:08:00 - [151] Roids grow. Minerals will flow. Ssssssss Sorja.
Drexciyian	Posted - 2006.01.04 04:11:00 - [152] Why does G ask iron for help all the time, i thought they were so great? and when will IRON remove its lips from G's arse ? Please can any G/IRON leaders answer
Azeroth Uluntil	Posted - 2006.01.04 04:11:00 - [153] Originally by: TWD Originally by: Sorja Originally by: Darwin blah blah I see. these are all tactical manoeuvres by IRON. tactical retreat from ASCN space. tactical dread & ship losses - letting BoB tactically mine the minerals in deklein space. tactically letting BoB control the outpost you build for a month. but hey - even after all this BoB will leave and go home and we'll claim a tactical victory. it all makes sense now. very good moves IRON. The outpost was a calculated loss. The dreads, however, were not. If anyone can provide any concrete proof of who's alt this is, and if he is indeed an IRON alt, he will be kicked from the alliance immediately. That said, I don't personally think this is an IRON alt, but probably someone angry at BoB for past misdeeds. The name seems to bring up a memory, just have to sort through my stupid chat logs. These stupid posts about ... well... the northern situation? I guess you could call it, are really grating on the nerves of all involved. Probably a GM causing hell for the fun of it... :D
Munch	Posted - 2006.01.04 04:23:00 - [154] Edited by: Munch on 04/01/2006 04:24:57 Edited by: Munch on 04/01/2006 04:24:12 Its really funny to see how some get worked up, and this has been a really entertaining thread to read. I just hope that BoB stays here for awhile because i'm having a wicked time!
NATMav	Posted - 2006.01.04 04:28:00 - [155] Edited by: NATMav on 04/01/2006 04:28:28 Maybe if BoB stopped spamming the alt threads, and giving the alt exactly what they want (a reaction), we'd stop getting several of them every time a battle happens? WTF was wrong with my sig? Inappropriate sig -zhuge
Metal Dude	Posted - 2006.01.04 04:43:00 - [156] Originally by: NATMav Edited by: NATMav on 04/01/2006 04:28:28 Maybe if BoB stopped spamming the alt threads, and giving the alt exactly what they want (a reaction), we'd stop getting several of them every time a battle happens? WTF was wrong with my sig? There was a battle? We tried attacking your force at you POS, but you ran from there too right to the forums with your alt and are now complaining that BoB is fueling the fire? Please, read the subject line again. I think you would respond in the same manner if it was Ædefeat of G/IRONÆ in the title of the thread. I think they kept it quite civil, but then again, I'm used to ATUK smack. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Senjii	Posted - 2006.01.04 05:11:00 - [157] Originally by: Angelus X Edited by: Angelus X on 04/01/2006 01:43:37 Originally by: Senjii Originally by: TWD We engaged two times our numbers today twice, and came out with a positive killratio. how come that IRON/G killboard shows different? compare kills on both sides only and thats expecially isk wise not true Because IRON dont post all their losses??! , and AFAIK the mining b****h corps dont post their losses there either? actually, there are bob losses missing. all u have to do is looking at both killboards for kills ONLY. that's the most accurate u can get
TWD	Posted - 2006.01.04 05:20:00 - [158] Originally by: Azeroth Uluntil The outpost was a calculated loss. The dreads, however, were not. If anyone can provide any concrete proof of who's alt this is, and if he is indeed an IRON alt, he will be kicked from the alliance immediately. That said, I don't personally think this is an IRON alt, but probably someone angry at BoB for past misdeeds. The name seems to bring up a memory, just have to sort through my stupid chat logs. These stupid posts about ... well... the northern situation? I guess you could call it, are really grating on the nerves of all involved. Probably a GM causing hell for the fun of it... :D Thank you. I'm just too easy to wind up. please forgive me
Arrgs	Posted - 2006.01.04 05:24:00 - [159] I've fought BoB a large portion of my time in Eve and I can honestly say that they do fight outnumbered. They DO jump in when other alliances are too scared too. I think BoB was simplying trying to proove a point that they have friends too. Also, G/IRON are diffrent people, just a G/IMP were diffrent people. Close allies, yes. The same damn alliance, no. My first video!
Sochin	Posted - 2006.01.04 05:27:00 - [160] Originally by: Senjii Originally by: Angelus X Edited by: Angelus X on 04/01/2006 01:43:37 Originally by: Senjii Originally by: TWD We engaged two times our numbers today twice, and came out with a positive killratio. how come that IRON/G killboard shows different? compare kills on both sides only and thats expecially isk wise not true Because IRON dont post all their losses??! , and AFAIK the mining b***h corps dont post their losses there either? actually, there are bob losses missing. all u have to do is looking at both killboards for kills ONLY. that's the most accurate u can get I believe there are some battleship losses missing at the moment because there are open petitions relating to their loss. Some of the guys who died without ever loading screen or were killed by an IRON fleet they could not see in space or on overview have petitioned the losses, and have held off on posting the mails until the petitions are solved. This is done because it is easier then posting them then removing them after the ships are reimbursed. I personally don't agree with this, because it gives nubbins ammo for claiming our killboard isn't accurate. I suppose it isn't fair to create more unneccesary work for DMZ who already works so hard on the killboard as it is. If the petitions are denied, the losses will be posted. In BoB we are very strict about this, and consider it a matter of honor. As always, if you have bob killmails that do not appear on the killboard, send them to a BoB director or CEO and they will add it immediately. That ought to be enough about our killboard for this thread. Nemo me impune lacessit*
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.01.04 05:43:00 - [161] Guys, can we calm all down please? Somehow i can understand why bob is angry at the OP, on the other hand there are just 2 alts posting crap, maybe they are not even from G/IRON. And even if they are - 2 ppl dont reflect the attitude of 2 whole alliances. There is much frustration to be felt in those times. Not about ship kills/losses, who pwns whom. Its about the only thing that really matters and concerns (atleast me): the absolutely insane and unbearable lag. Its getting worse and worse, some guys of us are even thinking of quitting the game cause of it. Its feckin urgent to fix it asap, or eve will have a major player exodus -G- Pink Power Darko1107 > i'd rather be fat tbh :P
FotoFlame	Posted - 2006.01.04 05:44:00 - [162] smells funny to me, i don't think this is an IRON alt... either way, ignore him. ~Foto
Taffun	Posted - 2006.01.04 05:45:00 - [163] Can you help me Foto?!? My lips are stuck on Woodies arse.
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.01.04 06:00:00 - [164] "There is much frustration to be felt in those times. Not about ship kills/losses, who pwns whom. Its about the only thing that really matters and concerns (atleast me): the absolutely insane and unbearable lag." Spot on, tbh. really hoping the new hardware supposedly coming sorts it out at least to some degree, because at the moment it gets to the point where it takes most of fun out of anything involving more than few people :/
Cerridwehn Odessa	Posted - 2006.01.04 06:00:00 - [165] Edited by: Cerridwehn Odessa on 04/01/2006 06:01:55 Oh wow, that's an awsome post lol. A little dramatic and probably a bit to anti-bob, but lots of truth to it. You won't get any serious replies though, other then things being twisted to look like BoB isn't having any problems. But ah well, you know that deep in their inner-circle of the BoB Command, they are talking amongst themselves and have some worries, they will just never admit it. What I love to see though is the BoB meatshields on the forums making up tons of funny stuff.. haha almost is as good as the constant convos that iron/g and allies get when a certabin BoB or 2 members give out when in the same system, with some chat channel with a link of some sort to somewhere. I gotta start takin screenshots of that happening more often, can make myself quite a collection. p.s.There's nothing wrong wtih using alts to post stuff. Shouldn't tell people off that do. It's along the same lines as using alt characters to "infiltrate" another alliance. If that's ok to do, then using alts to post is also. That one is for you, Druid, who apparently has 12 or so IRON alliance alts? That's awsome, whats that, like 4-5 accounts? You rule. Can i have some of mommy and daddys money too?
Cerridwehn Odessa	Posted - 2006.01.04 06:07:00 - [166] Originally by: Dianabolic [5] came along to make a point - we can blob too, we just choose not to because it's a lame reliance on zerging rather than skill, or tactics. Well, that certainly did alot. They stayed for what, 2-3 hours? I'm sure all those .5 pilots had a super time, wasting their time and superior skill on that. I think someone is just upset because a 100man blobbed camped them in for awhile, which was the whole point of the blob. Not to go look for a fight, but to see how many times you'd log on and off in a day or 2 to see if the coast was clear.
TWD	Posted - 2006.01.04 06:35:00 - [167] Originally by: Cerridwehn Odessa Edited by: Cerridwehn Odessa on 04/01/2006 06:01:55 Oh wow, that's an awsome post lol. A little dramatic and probably a bit to anti-bob, but lots of truth to it. You won't get any serious replies though, other then things being twisted to look like BoB isn't having any problems. But ah well, you know that deep in their inner-circle of the BoB Command, they are talking amongst themselves and have some worries, they will just never admit it. What I love to see though is the BoB meatshields on the forums making up tons of funny stuff.. haha almost is as good as the constant convos that iron/g and allies get when a certabin BoB or 2 members give out when in the same system, with some chat channel with a link of some sort to somewhere. I gotta start takin screenshots of that happening more often, can make myself quite a collection. p.s.There's nothing wrong wtih using alts to post stuff. Shouldn't tell people off that do. It's along the same lines as using alt characters to "infiltrate" another alliance. If that's ok to do, then using alts to post is also. That one is for you, Druid, who apparently has 12 or so IRON alliance alts? That's awsome, whats that, like 4-5 accounts? You rule. Can i have some of mommy and daddys money too? Hehe, what is your problem. Are you jealous? Strongly dislike us? its ok to admit.
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2006.01.04 06:50:00 - [168] Originally by: Cerridwehn Odessa But ah well, you know that deep in their inner-circle of the BoB Command, they are talking amongst themselves and have some worries, they will just never admit it. Wrong. Just because someone wants something to be true, doesn't make it so. Try harder. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Eutectic	Posted - 2006.01.04 07:13:00 - [169] Honestly the only winner in all this has been lag. It's simply made the game horrible to play. I was truly excited that BoB was in Dek to fight with. Regardless of how you may feel about BoB, they're always fun to fight. If anybody should be truly flamed it should be CCP for the horrible mess they've made of this game. I think frustration with lag and not being able to actually maneveur and fight on the scales we've been accustomed to in the past is getting the better part of both sides in this whole thing. As to the possible alts from IRON posting this crap, if it is indeed IRON members and we find out who you are you won't like the consquences.
Imran	Posted - 2006.01.04 07:23:00 - [170] LAG 4tl let us join forces and storm the node that is polaris \o/ points to dot near jove empire EwokPoacher: Why hate Gallente? Blackest Sheep: Because we are beautiful
DB Preacher	Posted - 2006.01.04 07:35:00 - [171] Edited by: DB Preacher on 04/01/2006 07:35:59 Originally by: CapCrunnnch 1. With BOB having to ask for help from [5], is it not now clear to see that G/Iron are are better and stronger than BOB and it is only a matter of time until BOB are sent back to fountain in defeat? 2. With BOB having to ask for help from [5], is it not now evident that you are weaker now than ever before based on the fact that 9 months ago you could do anything you liked and pwn anyone you wanted in EVE? 3. Will you confirm if the talk that the 30 or so members in BNC and RKK that are planning to split away from BOB and form another alliance due to discontentment, will happen now or after your war with G/Iron? Simple 3 questions, if Sirmolle or Db Preacher, Galavet, Dianabolic or Blacklight can answer them properly then maybe you can also dispell the rumours that BOB member morale is currently very low due to the fact that many of your pilots don't believe you should be up there fighting a war you can't win? Clear that up for everyone, thank you. Fantastic alt post. 1. Yes we will return to fountain, as we have said all along since the moment we arrived but nothing that happens now will make that a defeat. Iron attempted to blockade us into 3JN so that G could attack Ju- safely. They failed and the blockade was destroyed. Iron attempted to outblob us by bringing in every alt they could find and every pet possible in an attempt to stop us attacking due to the well known lag that has arrived with RMR. They failed when we evened the numbers. Iron attempt to outblob us in JU- alongside [G] in a final throw of the dice. They fail and are attacked by our 50 man fleet and take heavier losses. Iron and G retreat to a POS. They fail and G spend the night having to run from our larger force due to pos innacuracies while we attack them outside the heavily armed pos and IRON sit and laugh at them from inside the pos. We control Ju-, Iron/G don't have the numbers to lag us out (or fight us it seems last night after ATUK arrive) and this post is very obviously the frustration that IRON are feeling after being royally dismissed last night. 2. Time is short, lag is big. We're stronger as a unit than at any time in the history of BoB or CCCP. Our kb proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt. 3. Anyone who wishes to leave RKK is free to do so at any time but all this post does is make sure that they remain as focused as ever. As for morale, I don't know if you failed to notice the Caldari Championships victory when we beat 61 other alliances to claim the first mothership in the game? I don't know if you noticed the 5 dreadnoughts we destroyed last month? You can't have forgotten all the ships we have blown up since we got here or how everyone in IRON has to remain docked for the last month. Oh, and you won't know about our isketch matches either Nah, our morale is damn peachy atm, we are a pvp unit and the only time morale is low is when dianabolic mentions "mining", "corp money making scheme" or "blackpool". The funniest thing about this post however is the fact that it is an alt post because you know you will be kicked out of your alliance or if you are a pet, removed from the region. So, whose morale is low? We don't have to hide behind alts to post our thoughts dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Darcuese	Posted - 2006.01.04 08:11:00 - [172] I have a doubt that LAG in game is on purpose. If there wouldnt be LAG, there wouldnt be the need of "this many" forum moderators. So ppl would lose job and money. Now , we wouldnt want that...so please, live with the lag and whine, whine, flame, flame, smack , smack untill you lost all your fingers and breath. PS This is not pointed to this thread only and ppl posting in it....its for all forum warriors comunity [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]"I know a brother of Ronaldhino called Rethardihno, and his only 5 jumps away from me in space and usually few posts above me".
thoth foc	Posted - 2006.01.04 08:43:00 - [173] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Evil Thug Well. I think, that if BoB needed to ask ATUK for help, then something broke . It will be fair - sure. But i think, that this is first signal for Iron and G My 2 cents. holy siht you... forum... whoere! that's ur fault.. make him mine harder --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
Xenaxi	Posted - 2006.01.04 09:03:00 - [174] On another note, how many multi-billion dollar losses such as this one: http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=49506 Are not publicly visible on the 'Losses' section of the BoB killboard?
Amthrianius	Posted - 2006.01.04 09:07:00 - [175] Originally by: Xenaxi On another note, how many multi-billion dollar losses such as this one: http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=49506 Are not publicly visible on the 'Losses' section of the BoB killboard? Thats a cheap fitting tbh :D ---------------
DB Preacher	Posted - 2006.01.04 09:11:00 - [176] Originally by: Xenaxi On another note, how many multi-billion dollar losses such as this one: http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=49506 Are not publicly visible on the 'Losses' section of the BoB killboard? ummm.... It is posted on the losses for that day? It is publicaly visible otherwise how would you have found it? gg p.s. kb links are banned for a reason. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
dimensionZ	Posted - 2006.01.04 09:20:00 - [177] Originally by: Xenaxi On another note, how many multi-billion dollar losses such as this one: http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=49506 Are not publicly visible on the 'Losses' section of the BoB killboard? Thats because we never added machariel in the database. It is not hidden, but its just somehow bugged. Wait & see. ----------------------------------------
Seleene	Posted - 2006.01.04 09:22:00 - [178] Originally by: dimensionZ Wait & see. Is it almost ready, DmZ? - DEVS, JUMP DRIVE MAP PLEASE?
Valerius	Posted - 2006.01.04 09:27:00 - [179] Well, i skimmed over some of the posts since they seemed very... trolly... but some things need to be set straight (from my perspective) Yes, IRON may have lost many a ship and NO, IRON/G arent 1 entity though we do have a very brotherly connection Currently BoB holds JU-, why? Because IRON/G didnt have the firepower to beat both the BoB and the ATUK fleet last night (prolly still would be BoB holding JU- even if we had had the firepower). Why didnt we have the firepower? As Daxes so elequently put forth, ATUK brought in several extra BSs to the fight being (from the scans i took atleast) 12 Scorps and 14 Tempests + others The IRON/G/Friends fleet couldnt even muster 20 BSs at that point so there wasnt at all any chance to fight back, so many of the european timezones decided to call it a night breaking the IRON/G fleet down to around 60-70 pilots. Why didnt we engage? because we were cowards? because BoB rules the skies of Eden itself? (well yeah, last part WAS a joke) No, simply because there was no chance of victory at that point. So, IRON retreated to the POS with G/Friends positioning just outside it, why did G run everytime ATUK warped in? ever tried fighting 3-1 in BS before? No need to squander material unnecesarily. Atuk eventually left and IRON again had the upper hand in the system and again roamed freely end of story there. Also, i was there in both engagements with BoB that night and yes, BoB fought valiantly though clearly outgunned at first. Neither was as succesful as BoB claims though... looking at our killboards respectively i see 26 losses from the initial jump in with shrike loosing a sacriledge untill diana lost the geddon. You saying G/IRON/Friends lost > 52 ships? And about the OP... looking at the way it was written I for one do not see why everyone (mostly BoB) seem to believe it to be an IRON alt. Quote: Tbh [5] were as surprised as the rest of us watching from the outside Seems to me like the OP has inside info from 5, since when does 5 and IRON share info? (dont give me the spy attitude here, from what i know IRON didnt learn of it untill the fleet was knocking down the door) I find it quite discerning that so many BoB pilots (not directors) decide to flame this here, yes the post is more then just redundant bordering on trolling, but to blatantly go in here themselves and start prophesicing total doom and victory over IRON (read between the lines) seems both arrogant and down right dumb to me. No alliance can be declared dead by anyone else then the alliance itself. From what i remember BoB pilots (again not the officials) also proclaimed total victory over IRON only few days after taking JU- in the first place, at which point all able PvPer of both IRON/G were still engaging ASCN in the south. It was arrogant then, it is still arrogant, imo. Anyways, i'd better get off coms before my CEO roasts me completely ___________________________ Bringing Lag to a place near you since 2004
Mangus Thermopyle	Posted - 2006.01.04 09:42:00 - [180] I think its interesting that BoB needs help vs G/IRON. After everything I have heard (mostly from BoB), I was sure BoB would wtfpwn G/IRON easily all by themselves. But on the other hand, Five was supposed to wtfpwn us as well, and the only thing they managed was losing 50% of its members Originally by: Tholarim And i don't mind being dispised.
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2006.01.04 09:48:00 - [181] My prediction that G/Iron would be far too much for Bob once back and organised in their own space, to handle was spot on despite some of the bob guys poo pooing me, now I'll make another prediction. If 5 hang about and stand alongside BoB, then G/Iron are in for a bumpy ride, and will suffer large losses, but it is thier home, and thier will be only one winner imho, g/iron will stand strong. For those BoB guys complaining about G joining up with Iron, cmon, you knew that would happen, G and Iron are virtually the sme alliance, have been for a very very long time now, you can have no complaints there. Bob are not the force they once were, they dont have the numbers or commitment of their members that they once had, but pound for pound, they are still one of the strongest PvP entities that this game has. Flame away , blah blah blah, but I dont hide behind an alt. CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
Darcuese	Posted - 2006.01.04 09:51:00 - [182] Magnus@ You are my king of comedy and I would really enjoy if you would got back recording old movies about insuirance for modules and such. This new role of "journalist" dont suit you. PPl are not dumb and majority of EVE comunity have allready their own opinion about pittynes of FE...for posting your opinion though on 5 you can do in thread few lines bellow. [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]"I know a brother of Ronaldhino called Rethardihno, and his only 5 jumps away from me in space and usually few posts above me".
Wizie	Posted - 2006.01.04 09:56:00 - [183] So basically what we have deduced so far is.. Lag > ATUK + BOB > G + Iron and sundry
DB Preacher	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:02:00 - [184] Edited by: DB Preacher on 04/01/2006 10:07:25 Originally by: KIAEddZ My prediction that G/Iron would be far too much for Bob once back and organised in their own space, to handle was spot on Remember the GNW when PA turned up with 200 pilots one week in order to blob us out of existence by calling up every alt they possibly could? Same Stuff, Different Day. If we decided to stay and go for the long haul the numbers would fall and their fc's would go back to pulling normal hours in eve and invariably the momentum would eventually turn back to us where we have the numerical advantage and then IRON would dissapate back to empire. That's a prediction Eddz and I think we both know that it is spot on ;) Iron suffer the age old problem of 99% of the alliances in the game - too many sheep, not enough shepherds. I disagree on you saying we don't have the numbers or commitment however eddz, RKK corp chat peaks at 60 whereas in the GNW it peaked at 20. We also have boosted our US area with the likes of KSUDruid (an excellent FC), Necronom, Apache, Skilz etc. Also, the corps commitment to do whatever the FC's ask and to be back in the fight the next day in a new ship is as good as ever! dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Avon	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:04:00 - [185] Originally by: The Entire Thread Rabble Rabble Rabble O RLY? ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
The End	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:05:00 - [186] Originally by: KIAEddZ My prediction that G/Iron would be far too much for Bob once back and organised in their own space, to handle was spot on despite some of the bob guys poo pooing me, now I'll make another prediction. If 5 hang about and stand alongside BoB, then G/Iron are in for a bumpy ride, and will suffer large losses, but it is thier home, and thier will be only one winner imho, g/iron will stand strong. For those BoB guys complaining about G joining up with Iron, cmon, you knew that would happen, G and Iron are virtually the sme alliance, have been for a very very long time now, you can have no complaints there. Bob are not the force they once were, they dont have the numbers or commitment of their members that they once had, but pound for pound, they are still one of the strongest PvP entities that this game has. Flame away , blah blah blah, but I dont hide behind an alt. wow i actually agree with you there
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:05:00 - [187] Originally by: Avon Originally by: The Entire Thread Rabble Rabble Rabble O RLY? YA RLY .... Alts : The forum equivalent of a WCS ?
DoctorGonzo	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:14:00 - [188] Originally by: KIAEddZ My prediction that G/Iron would be far too much for Bob once back and organised in their own space, to handle was spot on despite some of the bob guys poo pooing me, now I'll make another prediction. If 5 hang about and stand alongside BoB, then G/Iron are in for a bumpy ride, and will suffer large losses, but it is thier home, and thier will be only one winner imho, g/iron will stand strong. For those BoB guys complaining about G joining up with Iron, cmon, you knew that would happen, G and Iron are virtually the sme alliance, have been for a very very long time now, you can have no complaints there. Bob are not the force they once were, they dont have the numbers or commitment of their members that they once had, but pound for pound, they are still one of the strongest PvP entities that this game has. Flame away , blah blah blah, but I dont hide behind an alt. I don't think that's true EddZ, BoB is leaner and more focused than ever before with more active members than ever before. What maybe true is that some of the other alliances have caught up slightly, but that doesn't mean BoB is going backwards, far from it in fact. Get Your BoB Protection Kit Here
Avon	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:21:00 - [189] Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Originally by: Avon Originally by: The Entire Thread Rabble Rabble Rabble O RLY? YA RLY NO WAI! ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:22:00 - [190] Originally by: DB Preacher Remember the GNW when PA turned up with 200 pilots one week in order to blob us out of existence by calling up every alt they possibly could? Same Stuff, Different Day. How could I forget, "tick tock" n all that ;( They fooled me too ;( Originally by: DB Preacher If we decided to stay and go for the long haul the numbers would fall and their fc's would go back to pulling normal hours in eve and invariably the momentum would eventually turn back to us where we have the numerical advantage and then IRON would dissapate back to empire. That's a prediction Eddz and I think we both know that it is spot on ;) IF you decided to settle in for the long haul AND you could convince 5 to do the same, then maybe this would happen, but it would take months and months of attrition, G/Iron are as wealthy as you guys, and i do not believe that Bob has the stomach for such conflict right now. We both know that I am not just an outsider, i know people in BoB, and know them well, and I just dont believe for 1 second, that the G/Iron blob animal is something you can defeat in any sort of reasonable timescale, and ass uch makes 0 sense to continue to try. How you withdrawal without losing face, is of course another thing, and maybe this will be enough to keep you there. Originally by: DB Preacher I disagree on you saying we don't have the numbers or commitment however eddz, RKK corp chat peaks at 60 whereas in the GNW it peaked at 20. We also have boosted our US area with the likes of KSUDruid (an excellent FC), Necronom, Apache, Skilz etc. Also, the corps commitment to do whatever the FC's ask and to be back in the fight the next day in a new ship is as good as ever! dbp Its not always about quantity DBP, you and I both know that, the quality of the Bob pilots overall has dropped a little, with some of the old school drifiting away from Eve, wow taking its toll on all the old school. Not for 1 second am I suggesting that Bob are afallen alliance, or even a weak enemy, nothing of the sort, but the BoB of 6 months ago would of trounced G/Iron at every opportunity, that simply isnt the case anymore. As I say, BoB are pound for pound among the very best, as the recent Alliance championships showed (damn pity they didnt allow PvP corps into it though), but the days of domination are long gone, although who knows, their return could be just around the corner. CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
Casius	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:23:00 - [191] To say that bob is not as powerfull as they once were is incorrect. They are 3 corps atm taking on huge numbers and doing better than any alliance will be able to do with only 3 corps in an alliance. At the end of the day i challenge any alliance to acomplish what bob have with only 3 corps when u do that come back and we can talk about how bob have slipped To my knowledge bob engaged g/iron 2 times last night with fewer ships. When Bob has the upper hand the fighting stopped. To those that wanna put bob down i would love to see u fight with fewer ships see how well u do would make a change.
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:28:00 - [192] Originally by: Casius To those that wanna put bob down i would love to see u fight with fewer ships see how well u do would make a change. If this is aimed at myself, and KIA corp, then its very far of the mark, engaging with fewer numbers is a way of life for us, we do it without a seconds thought. I do not wish to get involved in a flame battle, I have not used an alt (i dont have 1), and have not acted disrespectfully, I am simply putting across my view, in a manner to engage discussion. The whole of the eve community (that matters) is watching this thread, BoB NEED and should engage the questions, with honesty and wit, if they wish to remain such an admired public figure. I am only saying what everyone else (majority) is thinking, and the questions I raise, are the same ones that hang on everyone elses lips. CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:44:00 - [193] Originally by: KIAEddZ IF you decided to settle in for the long haul AND you could convince 5 to do the same, then maybe this would happen, but it would take months and months of attrition, G/Iron are as wealthy as you guys, and i do not believe that Bob has the stomach for such conflict right now. We both know that I am not just an outsider, i know people in BoB, and know them well, and I just dont believe for 1 second, that the G/Iron blob animal is something you can defeat in any sort of reasonable timescale, and ass uch makes 0 sense to continue to try. How you withdrawal without losing face, is of course another thing, and maybe this will be enough to keep you there. I completely agree, it would be another GNW but the GNW had a territorial and historical purpose behind it, this is only for fun. As for losing face, we've had a blast up here, filled our kb with kills, stole an outpost and 1/2 bil of zyd. When we head back to delve, we'll do it with clear conscience and on the date of our choice. Originally by: KIAEddZ Its not always about quantity DBP, you and I both know that, the quality of the Bob pilots overall has dropped a little, with some of the old school drifiting away from Eve, wow taking its toll on all the old school. Not for 1 second am I suggesting that Bob are afallen alliance, or even a weak enemy, nothing of the sort, but the BoB of 6 months ago would of trounced G/Iron at every opportunity, that simply isnt the case anymore. As I say, BoB are pound for pound among the very best, as the recent Alliance championships showed (damn pity they didnt allow PvP corps into it though), but the days of domination are long gone, although who knows, their return could be just around the corner. Aye but that's what I'm saying mate, for every Sassinak we have lost we have gained an Alasse and Dianabolic. For every Sun Ra we have lost, we have gained Nifel and Alexison. For every Omniwar we have lost we have gained a Reath or Morealis. For every Lion El'Johnson we have lost we have gained some greggs pasties. I don't play the hours I did in the GNW because I don't want to spend every waking hour in eve but I can only do that now because when I am not playing I am 100% confident that someone in RKK can step up to take control of the fleet and probably do a better job than me. During this alliance war both sides are struggling with lag when outnumbered, same as the [5]/F-E war, same as RA/-V- war, same as FIX/SA war. It means we lose more ships when jumping into a larger force and coupled with BoB's posting about it probably does make us appear weaker from the outside in, but I still don't think it is actually the case. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
DoctorGonzo	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:48:00 - [194] Originally by: DB Preacher but I still don't think it is actually the case. There's no 'think' about dbp - it simply isn't the case! Get Your BoB Protection Kit Here
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:52:00 - [195] Quote: Lion El'Johnson we have lost we have gained some greggs pasties :-))) Lion ftw!
Denrace	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:59:00 - [196] I see nothing wrong with calling in backup when BoB were so heavily outnumbered. None at all. ____________________________________________ I make Custom Signatures. Erm...yay!
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2006.01.04 11:02:00 - [197] Originally by: Valerius looking at our killboards respectively i see 26 losses from the initial jump in with shrike loosing a sacriledge untill diana lost the geddon. You saying G/IRON/Friends lost > 52 ships? No 37 ships, 43 if you want to add ships after most people started logging off (since you wanted to count until Dianabolics Arma loss). 1 more Battleship. Positive kill ratio, which is what TWD stated, doesn't mean double kill ratio. Pain is meant to be felt
CapCrunnnch	Posted - 2006.01.04 13:09:00 - [198] Originally by: Denrace I see nothing wrong with calling in backup when BoB were so heavily outnumbered. None at all. If you swagger around on the forums arrogantly talking about road trips and cooking like Sirmolle does then it makes you look stupid when you suddenly find you need to call for help against an allaince you claimed would be no problem when they 'came home'. Theres a very simple pattern thats forming, BOB attack weak alliances or alliances already on thier way out. When its a tough alliance, their words change from "Campaign" to "roadtrip" thier press releases change from "spoons" to nothing. They were careful to call the fighting in Deklein a "roadtrip" because they dont intend to commit to fighting an alliance that will hand them thier asses, and we all know this. BOB pull the "we're outnumbered" card ONLY as an excuse when they are loosing. Example? Look at when they were attacking PA and friends in the northern wars they were outnumbered yet they did not pull that card because PA was weak. So now they have met G/Iron who are better than them in every way they suddenly start complaining they are outnumbered? Please.
Kyrie Allayson	Posted - 2006.01.04 13:12:00 - [199] Go BOB&FIVE Long live! Anyway i don't like G/IRON and especially F-E and i think BoB is doing theyr job good.They called ATUK to join fun.And? Is that sign of weakness?No.. They are friends and they call them to share the fun with them. BoB is one of the best PvP alliances with MC and Five around. They kill ratio is extremely high.They rule! That's all i wanted to say here. Thanks Regards Kyrie Allayson Bydi 4TW!
The Hooch	Posted - 2006.01.04 13:15:00 - [200] Originally by: Sochin Edited by: Sochin on 03/01/2006 23:28:14 How come noone talks ** about IRON for being weak and needing uncle G to hold their hand? off, you ignorant *. They don't because had you read other posts, in other threads you would have seen that due to language (german and english) they would be one alliance, not 2. Cheers Hooch, Military and Political Guru, Peacenik, Flame Baiter, BoB Watcher, BoB Lover, BoB Hater, BoB Fanboi, ***um, Troll, Forum Warrior, Mister Star Trek, Captain Obvious, Carebear...
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.01.04 13:23:00 - [201] Originally by: KIAEddZ How could I forget, "tick tock" n all that ;( They fooled me too ;( Quoted for teh chuckle Originally by: KIAEddZ IF you decided to settle in for the long haul AND you could convince 5 to do the same, then maybe this would happen, but it would take months and months of attrition, G/Iron are as wealthy as you guys, and i do not believe that Bob has the stomach for such conflict right now. We both know that I am not just an outsider, i know people in BoB, and know them well, and I just dont believe for 1 second, that the G/Iron blob animal is something you can defeat in any sort of reasonable timescale, and ass uch makes 0 sense to continue to try. How you withdrawal without losing face, is of course another thing, and maybe this will be enough to keep you there. A couple of points I'd like to make. Firstly, regarding us having the stomach for such a fight, I'm torn in my response to this one because on the one hand I know we've been fighting almost non-stop against various people since well forever and should therefore be up to a major prolonged conflict on the other hand I remember the grind that GNW turned into in order to get the result we wanted and it is different. To attempt a campaign that might turn into another GNW equivalent would be difficult and the only way to pull something like that off is to have a very intense motivation for seeing it through. I don't mind admitting that I am not sure we have that with regard to G and IRON at the moment. As for whether it is sensible to try taking on G/IRON in a battle for territory and actually try and oust them from Cloud Ring/Fade/Deklein I think the answer to this issue lies in the answers to the following questions.. 1. Is the territory worth the effort from a financial/resource perspective? 2. Will we gain any koudos, reputation etc.. for achieving it that we lack at the moment? 3. Given the way Eve is progressing with RMR and future Kali updates is holding enormous swathes of 0.0 space the correct strategy for success? 4. Do we have anything better to be doing in the next 6 months? I'll let you lot guess the answers to those questions but the answer lies in there for the very insightful The other thing to remember is that even we have never pulled off such a large conquest without backup to even the numbers and we've never been ashamed to admit the fact that we have friends who help us when needed, it takes strong relationships as well as strong fleets to succeed at Eve. The peanut gallery love to make a big deal about it if we are seen to call in assistance but I am yet to see any of said peanuts attempt to take on the odds we do. There have been times in the last 18 months when we've had 7000+ people hostile to our three corps and certainly as you pointed out it takes a loooong time and a lot of determination to pull off a win against an opponent who outnumbers you that much. My final point on that last paragraph is regarding loss of face if/when we pull out. There will be a forum riot whatever we do, a BoB pilot undocks in Yulai and there are a dozen alt posts in here having a go about it. So who gives a toss what anyone else thinks, we have a plan, it's been in place a long time and we're happy with it. Regardless of how anyone else ever tries to spin our actions we will continue to follow our plan and do whatever we think we need to. The only loss of face I would be concerned with is internal if we felt we hadn't acheived what we wanted to - that won't be an issue on this campaign. Eve Blacklight Style
Darwin	Posted - 2006.01.04 13:23:00 - [202] Originally by: Sorja Originally by: Darwin Iron/G Alts FTW!!! I'm not as sure as you seem to be, this thread doesn't sound like an IRON alt thread and G doesn't use alts, as far as I know. Anyways, BoB show here the lowest profile I can recall of, even arguing about numbers. They are farther and farther away from the undisputed control of the game they were claiming, or at least does it seem so. It doesn't matter at all if they have JU outpost or not, it costs them lots in fuel, not even mentioning the daunting logistics. G/IRON comes from the south and perfectly know that leaving BoB in control of JU is a very wise tactical move. G/IRON could probably take the outpost back with dreads but they don't need to. BoB is stranded in the mud (aka CCP secret lag recipes) and will probably leave soon in disgust. When BoB leave the north, they will have failed to take control of space they claimed to be theirs and will have failed to split G and IRON, so their only victory will be their killratio. As proved by ASCN, handing ships by hundreds to the enemy has little meaning in EVE so this roadtrip might have a very negative impact on their morale. The sadest thing in this is that lag is arbitrating space control a bit too much. Ok lets take this step by step. You dont belive a Iron/G alt started this post. But you sure they have a dreads that havent been blown up by us yet and at any time they could walk into JU and take it back. And your SURE bob will fail and G/Iron will raise to victory. Iam not making fun of you iam just trying to understand
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.01.04 13:24:00 - [203] Originally by: KIAEddZ Its not always about quantity DBP, you and I both know that, the quality of the Bob pilots overall has dropped a little, with some of the old school drifiting away from Eve, wow taking its toll on all the old school. Not for 1 second am I suggesting that Bob are afallen alliance, or even a weak enemy, nothing of the sort, but the BoB of 6 months ago would of trounced G/Iron at every opportunity, that simply isnt the case anymore. Actually Eddz I think that's rowlocks, from my perspective our average quality has improved over the last 6 months. Speaking for BNC which I obviously can with most confidence, we have operated a policy of shaving off the bottom few percent as we add new members both in terms of activity and performance. the last 6 months of 2005 probably saw a dozen pilots kicked from BNC for simply not being good enough, that's after they got in in the first place and our recruitment policy is pretty damn tight. I know for a fact that both BNC and RKK are probably at amongst our best form at the moment. These days we don't have so many vet's leaving for good, we tend to have a fairly consistent and regular turn over of vets going into hibernation for a few months then coming back. Originally by: KIAEddZ As I say, BoB are pound for pound among the very best, as the recent Alliance championships showed (damn pity they didnt allow PvP corps into it though), but the days of domination are long gone, although who knows, their return could be just around the corner. I think that as Eve grows, new functionality comes on stream (capital ships etc..) and the player base increases then we have to recognise that the days of one alliance totally dominating all the others in 0.0 are probably gone and consequentially playing styles will change. Having said that I do believe that we can still roll over anyone we choose to. Eve Blacklight Style
Rider Zane	Posted - 2006.01.04 13:45:00 - [204] Originally by: CapCrunnnch Originally by: Denrace I see nothing wrong with calling in backup when BoB were so heavily outnumbered. None at all. If you swagger around on the forums arrogantly talking about road trips and cooking like Sirmolle does then it makes you look stupid when you suddenly find you need to call for help against an allaince you claimed would be no problem when they 'came home'. Theres a very simple pattern thats forming, BOB attack weak alliances or alliances already on thier way out. When its a tough alliance, their words change from "Campaign" to "roadtrip" thier press releases change from "spoons" to nothing. They were careful to call the fighting in Deklein a "roadtrip" because they dont intend to commit to fighting an alliance that will hand them thier asses, and we all know this. BOB pull the "we're outnumbered" card ONLY as an excuse when they are loosing. Example? Look at when they were attacking PA and friends in the northern wars they were outnumbered yet they did not pull that card because PA was weak. So now they have met G/Iron who are better than them in every way they suddenly start complaining they are outnumbered? Please. If any force is outnumbered then the sensible thing to do is get more numbers, its common sense and not a sign of weakness
Gilad Pellaeon	Posted - 2006.01.04 13:48:00 - [205] EddZ is right about the dip in quality of pilots in BoB over recent Months. He sent all us KIA Corp vets (all 35+ mil SP) to dilute BoBs quality. TBH, BoBs never looked so sexy. xx _
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2006.01.04 13:52:00 - [206] Originally by: Blacklight Having said that I do believe that we can still roll over anyone we choose to. As usual BL, your posts are both eloquent and integral. But I must disagree with this statement. There are several entities within this game that you would struggle with "rolling over", if possible to defeat them at all. You are among the best, but that sentence in itself insinuates that there are others of equal standing to yourself, to say there isn't, is peculiar in the least, arrogant in its extreme. MAYBE with surprise on your side, you could severely hurt any entity in a short term case, as could several others to yourself, but long term "rolling over" would simply not be an option. Another GNW vs G/Iron, would be pointless, fruitless and tactically benial considering the spoils and prizes on offer. And I stand by my statement, that you do not have the stomach for it, the "hate" or other motivation needed for such a war of attrition, simply isn't present in this conflict. Yet. CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.01.04 13:54:00 - [207] Originally by: Gilad Pellaeon EddZ is right about the dip in quality of pilots in BoB over recent Months. He sent all us KIA Corp vets (all 35+ mil SP) to dilute BoBs quality. TBH, BoBs never looked so sexy. xx WTF j00 all suck tbh. .... Alts : The forum equivalent of a WCS ?
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2006.01.04 13:58:00 - [208] Originally by: Gilad Pellaeon EddZ is right about the dip in quality of pilots in BoB over recent Months. He sent all us KIA Corp vets (all 35+ mil SP) to dilute BoBs quality. TBH, BoBs never looked so sexy. xx Ck. CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
SinBin	Posted - 2006.01.04 13:59:00 - [209] If ya know your history BOB have always called in every avalible ally they can muster but unfortunately never gave anyone but them self credit for each op, hence the old pirates corps will no longer assit them or be used as primary attck wile BOB sits in the wings claiming the win. Also dunno if anyone can find it but im shure BOB said around here somewere they dont like ATUK & wont be calling um ?. Like with .5. its more 1 corp is the problem I think, for BOB its Evol & for .5. its ATUK the rest are all decent fellas I think & have heads that match there body size. 1 credit to Evol over ATUK is the smack difference, ill post ATUK last set later tonight for general consumtion. _______________________________________ Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks
Seleene	Posted - 2006.01.04 14:01:00 - [210] This has been an interesting and refreshing thread. I've not had the inclination to reply though until I saw this: Originally by: Casius They are 3 corps atm taking on huge numbers and doing better than any alliance will be able to do with only 3 corps in an alliance. At the end of the day i challenge any alliance to acomplish what bob have with only 3 corps Not to be cross but, honestly, what the heck does BoB having "only three corps" have to do with anything when each of those corps is the size of my entire alliance? - DEVS, JUMP DRIVE MAP PLEASE?
Dracorimus	Posted - 2006.01.04 14:10:00 - [211] Edited by: Dracorimus on 04/01/2006 14:13:36 hmmm, after checking out page 4, 9th post from the bottom, the alt previously known as s1r molle denying the fact hes an iron alt forgets himself and says this, I quote : Quote: BoB taking IRON's outpost was no major feat, even PA cud have done it. The fact is that the main forces wern't there to protect it. If a big battle had of been for the outpost and BoB put on a good show then u'd deserve a cookie for sure, but infact the complete opposite :P and besides - it gave us something to do when we finished with ASCN :) Watch it be taken back :) Please note the last couple of lines and the words "gave us" and "we", I saw it before, just never thought about it, and it just came to mind as I was sipping another cup of coffee at work. Now I would like my cookie, thx. Iron please find out who this retard is and get rid, thankyou. - Shrike > BALLS DROPPED IN BELT AvanCade > lol Shrike > that didnt sound good.
Nifel	Posted - 2006.01.04 14:25:00 - [212] Originally by: The Hooch Originally by: Sochin Edited by: Sochin on 03/01/2006 23:28:14 How come noone talks ** about IRON for being weak and needing uncle G to hold their hand? off, you ignorant *. They don't because had you read other posts, in other threads you would have seen that due to language (german and english) they would be one alliance, not 2. I still haven't seen anyone from G say that. On the contrary it's mostly been denials that they could be considered as one alliance. "We wield swords for the sound of laughter that used to be there long ago." RKK Ranking: (MIN13) Jata**
Galaxion	Posted - 2006.01.04 14:25:00 - [213] Originally by: Dracorimus Edited by: Dracorimus on 04/01/2006 14:13:36 hmmm, after checking out page 4, 9th post from the bottom, the alt previously known as s1r molle denying the fact hes an iron alt forgets himself and says this, I quote : Quote: BoB taking IRON's outpost was no major feat, even PA cud have done it. The fact is that the main forces wern't there to protect it. If a big battle had of been for the outpost and BoB put on a good show then u'd deserve a cookie for sure, but infact the complete opposite :P and besides - it gave us something to do when we finished with ASCN :) Watch it be taken back :) Please note the last couple of lines and the words "gave us" and "we", I saw it before, just never thought about it, and it just came to mind as I was sipping another cup of coffee at work. Now I would like my cookie, thx. Iron please find out who this retard is and get rid, thankyou. Give this man a raise -----------------------------------------
HC MasiEEE	Posted - 2006.01.04 14:26:00 - [214] Cant believe people take the time too make such long posts Too make it short, we want too know which alt is with which main Alts ftl... ____________ HC MasiEEE
Bendit	Posted - 2006.01.04 14:43:00 - [215] Hmmm, me think this thread is pretty funny....especially the IRON/G whoring and screaming about OMG Atuk (Bob 4ever) showed up one time. BIG LOL!!!! If Bob one day go home, will they then lose face? Or look at it this way, when G/IRON asked for a ceasefire to retreat from South did they loose face? ATUK joined up one time with Bob, OMG Bob is weak!! OMG!! IRON/G was down south fighting ASCN ( or steamrolled over ASCN according to them) so was RAZOR, NBSI (Mostly E-R) maybe more, I dunno, was the name I saw on the forums . Did we hear anyone screaming IRON/G was weak, they are falling!! OMG!! Yes, this is an alt. I`ll go digg a hole and die
Luc Boye	Posted - 2006.01.04 14:44:00 - [216] ohnoes bob lost, I must apply to IRON now... or not.
SinBin	Posted - 2006.01.04 14:47:00 - [217] Originally by: Seleene This has been an interesting and refreshing thread. I've not had the inclination to reply though until I saw this: Originally by: Casius They are 3 corps atm taking on huge numbers and doing better than any alliance will be able to do with only 3 corps in an alliance. At the end of the day i challenge any alliance to acomplish what bob have with only 3 corps Not to be cross but, honestly, what the heck does BoB having "only three corps" have to do with anything when each of those corps is the size of my entire alliance? Even more important is that by there own admission BOB is a pure PVP allaince vs industrial/semipvp allainces. Seems even there forums assults are loosing power over the mods, nice to see a post alive still after it for once. _______________________________________ Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.01.04 14:56:00 - [218] I wish to be the 10000000000000000th BoB member to have to debunk the misconception that we are a 100% PvP alliance. Do you think our ships grow on trees ? Do you have this mad idea that we don't extract moon minerals, perform complex reactions and mine ice ? .... Alts : The forum equivalent of a WCS ?
Necronom	Posted - 2006.01.04 14:58:00 - [219] Edited by: Necronom on 04/01/2006 15:01:24 Originally by: DB Preacher I disagree on you saying we don't have the numbers or commitment however eddz, RKK corp chat peaks at 60 whereas in the GNW it peaked at 20. We also have boosted our US area with the likes of KSUDruid (an excellent FC), Necronom, Apache, Skilz etc. Also, the corps commitment to do whatever the FC's ask and to be back in the fight the next day in a new ship is as good as ever! dbp at what point did i become an asset u noob, we all know I only hurt RKK, doih. Originally by: Valerius Well, i skimmed over some of the posts since they seemed very... trolly... but some things need to be set straight (from my perspective) Yes, IRON may have lost many a ship and NO, IRON/G arent 1 entity though we do have a very brotherly connection There ya go, thats G's perspective on the matter of IRON/G, not 1 alliance, but a close bond. And I'll say it again, ATUK is BoB and always will be, no matter how hard we try to kick em out :). EDIT: One more thing, just to show how civilly BoB respond to real conversation just look at the good debate started by Eddz post, even though it wasn't a praise of BoB it was treated with respect and replied to appropiraltey cuz hes a main character and didnt use flamebait in his post, so to all you alts out there, POST WITH UR MAIN!
dimensionZ	Posted - 2006.01.04 14:58:00 - [220] Originally by: Fi T'Zeh I wish to be the 10000000000000000th BoB member to have to debunk the misconception that we are a 100% PvP alliance. Do you think our ships grow on trees ? Do you have this mad idea that we don't extract moon minerals, perform complex reactions and mine ice ? You do, i dont ----------------------------------------
Romulus Maximus	Posted - 2006.01.04 15:01:00 - [221] <3 dmz Its quite obvious we dont buy all our ships and ammo. Were quite capable of handling the logistics of our alliance. As weve proved numerous times. Current RKK Ranking: (AMM10) Commodore
Seleene	Posted - 2006.01.04 15:05:00 - [222] Originally by: SinBin Even more important is that by there own admission BOB is a pure PVP allaince vs industrial/semipvp allainces. Hardly. BoB's carebear side is alive and well. You think that they are going to have someone else build thier Dreads and Motherships? I'm not cheering for either side here. Pro-BoB, anti BoB... whatever. All I'm saying is that maybe the day is coming when BoB will be forced to eat a slice of humble pie, but it's not going to happen anytime soon, not when so many of thier 'enemies' let them dictate the playing field. It may not happen at all now that CCP has eliminated the 'Zerg POS rush' as a viable tactic. Regardless, a determined enemy could really play havoc with BoB's logistics if they actually tried. The only reason no one has ever done so is because BoB has almost always been on the offensive. No one has ever really tried to mount a full scale offensive against BoB. Everyone knows where BoB lives. You want to hurt BoB? Try actually attacking them where it matters in force. Try to kick them out of a region of space for a change. You'd probably get stonewalled, but at least it would be different. - DEVS, JUMP DRIVE MAP PLEASE?
Harlequinn	Posted - 2006.01.04 15:07:00 - [223] BoB=PvP alliance ASCN=Industrial Alliance G/Iron=Public Relations/Spin alliance You can't defeat the G/Iron Spin machine! They beat ASCN and left when they were ready to fight BoB, for fun! LOLz.. Iraqi Information minister 4TW! --Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none.--
Galavet	Posted - 2006.01.04 15:11:00 - [224] The one thing I find funny is that people seem to setting BoB up for a public flogging once we do pull out. We have had a pullout date since the start of all of this; it is (like it or not) simply a road trip. You can post now that our withdraw will be a sign of failure if you like, when the honest answer is that we will leave when we have hit the date selected over a month ago. We have no interest in Iron Territory (see map thread) or do we want the 100% breaking of G/IRON. ItÆs simply something to do to pass the time. I donÆt know what it is about the north that seems to simply breed hate in this game. It happened in the GNW and itÆs starting to happen again. People are taking what we are doing way to far and starting to make it personal. I have only respect for Buddrow/Destable and the G guys, and thatÆs the honest truth, but when threads such as this start popping up... Well I have flashbacks to the GNW. The daily venom on the forums from that war is what made it not worth fighting in the end, Lets not repeat that please. In conclusion, I would like to say to all side lets all try to refrain from taking this alt flamebait. We donÆt need another GNW, we didnÆt plan it that way and donÆt want this to turn into one. Iron/G Leash in your members and we will strive to do the same. Besides nobody can prove whoÆs better until CCP actually fix their servers, I am sick of the lag to the point of not wanting to fight anything bigger than a 10v10.
dreisenhoff	Posted - 2006.01.04 15:18:00 - [225] Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Dianabolic this of course reaffirms my opinion that you are, as already stated, clueless. Please stop feeding the trolls. Thanks! yeah stop feeding the trolls - listen to abdalion u naughty boy
dreisenhoff	Posted - 2006.01.04 15:22:00 - [226] Edited by: dreisenhoff on 04/01/2006 15:23:27 OMGz0r Look how many BoB crawl out their holes to post on these threads - like flies on sh*t its very funny (note to BoB members: EvE isn't real life, repeat: EvE isnt real life - now repeat to yourselves 20 times in your head - and you might click on)
Farjung	Posted - 2006.01.04 15:28:00 - [227] Originally by: SinBin Even more important is that by there own admission BOB is a pure PVP allaince vs industrial/semipvp allainces. Hardly. The amount of POSes BoB guys are keeping running at any one time is pretty substantial. It's just they approach their industrial side with an organisation and discipline that is often lacking amongst other alliances.
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2006.01.04 15:30:00 - [228] Edited by: KIAEddZ on 04/01/2006 15:30:57 Dreisen. Having passion about something, and that something mattering to you a lot, is simply a matter of choice. I am proud of KIA, fiercely so, just the same way i am proud of the man I am out of game. KIA, and EddZ, is Peter Edwards, I am me. Its only a game....... yes, but it means a fkin lot to some of us that play it, and thats certainly nothing to be ashamed of. CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
Ramireza	Posted - 2006.01.04 15:35:00 - [229] Blah ! Blah, blah blablalaaaaa blahahalbla, BLAH ! blah, blahblahblabla, blah : 1. Blah, blahblahalablah 2. Blablabla 3. Blah, blahblahBLUB ! 4. Blah, blah, blahblahblahbla ! BALLSSSS!!!oneone!!!111 Blah,blah, blah ? Blah ! (forgive me ! )
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.01.04 15:38:00 - [230] Originally by: Ramireza Blah ! Blah, blah blablalaaaaa blahahalbla, BLAH ! blah, blahblahblabla, blah : 1. Blah, blahblahalablah 2. Blablabla 3. Blah, blahblahBLUB ! 4. Blah, blah, blahblahblahbla ! BALLSSSS!!!oneone!!!111 Blah,blah, blah ? Blah ! (forgive me ! ) Good summary :) HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
dreisenhoff	Posted - 2006.01.04 15:40:00 - [231] Originally by: KIAEddZ Edited by: KIAEddZ on 04/01/2006 15:30:57 Dreisen. Having passion about something, and that something mattering to you a lot, is simply a matter of choice. I am proud of KIA, fiercely so, just the same way i am proud of the man I am out of game. KIA, and EddZ, is Peter Edwards, I am me. Its only a game....... yes, but it means a fkin lot to some of us that play it, and thats certainly nothing to be ashamed of. LMFAO - cheese to the max !!!!! cheese ftw!!!
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.01.04 15:40:00 - [232] there was some "Rabble rabble rabble rabble!!" Around page 6 that you missed out, otherwise, accurate. .... Alts : The forum equivalent of a WCS ?
Rodge	Posted - 2006.01.04 15:41:00 - [233] Originally by: dreisenhoff (note to BoB members: EvE isn't real life, repeat: EvE isnt real life - now repeat to yourselves 20 times in your head - and you might click on) If it really means so little then why 1. Did you take the time out of your, obviously very busy, life to post here? 2. Are you so scared to post your trolling drivel with your main character? [ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
Dracorimus	Posted - 2006.01.04 15:41:00 - [234] Originally by: Ramireza Blah ! Blah, blah blablalaaaaa blahahalbla, BLAH ! blah, blahblahblabla, blah : 1. Blah, blahblahalablah 2. Blablabla 3. Blah, blahblahBLUB ! 4. Blah, blah, blahblahblahbla ! BALLSSSS!!!oneone!!!111 Blah,blah, blah ? Blah ! (forgive me ! ) Oooh you devil, how could you ! - Shrike > BALLS DROPPED IN BELT AvanCade > lol Shrike > that didnt sound good.
Galavet	Posted - 2006.01.04 15:44:00 - [235] Guys dont give him the reactions he is looking for please, Iron/G and BoB alike.
dreisenhoff	Posted - 2006.01.04 15:45:00 - [236] Originally by: Rodge Originally by: dreisenhoff (note to BoB members: EvE isn't real life, repeat: EvE isnt real life - now repeat to yourselves 20 times in your head - and you might click on) If it really means so little then why 1. Did you take the time out of your, obviously very busy, life to post here? 2. Are you so scared to post your trolling drivel with your main character? wouldnt you just love to know who my main is - thing is - you never will why would i post rabble with my main - thats what alts are for n3wb I post simply for the fact i love seeing bob flock to my posts like seagulls to a dead fish its very amusing to see grown men act in such ways
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2006.01.04 15:50:00 - [237] ck. CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
xKillaH	Posted - 2006.01.04 15:51:00 - [238] Originally by: Horatio Starkiller You know we've never complained about the fact were facing 2 alliances at the same time... G + IRON, 1 + 1 = 2. sooo true Originally by: Sochin Edited by: Sochin on 03/01/2006 23:28:14 We've been fighting off G/IRON's attempts to regain control of Ju for weeks now by ourselves. IRON alone is a larger alliance then us, and combined they are twice our size. 5 comes to help us for a day and suddenly we suck horribly? How come noone talks **** about IRON for being weak and needing uncle G to hold their hand? Fck off, you ignorant btch. even more true!!! Need a Sig? Check Gallery
Ribbo	Posted - 2006.01.04 16:01:00 - [239] Originally by: KIAEddZ ck. wtf is that? you come over all a bit stone roses? all a bit calvin klien? or are you purely making the bunny rabbit shape with your hands up against a projector screen? thats the second time i've seen it in this thread, dont make me google it now! ribbo - fanboi'ing eve-celebrities the world over.
dreisenhoff	Posted - 2006.01.04 16:07:00 - [240] Originally by: xKillaH Originally by: Horatio Starkiller You know we've never complained about the fact were facing 2 alliances at the same time... G + IRON, 1 + 1 = 2. sooo true Originally by: Sochin Edited by: Sochin on 03/01/2006 23:28:14 We've been fighting off G/IRON's attempts to regain control of Ju for weeks now by ourselves. IRON alone is a larger alliance then us, and combined they are twice our size. 5 comes to help us for a day and suddenly we suck horribly? How come noone talks **** about IRON for being weak and needing uncle G to hold their hand? Fck off, you ignorant btch. even more true!!! IRON are n00bs no doubt about it - barely a handful of good pvpers left now sad really - but its due to all the little corps who had no idea how to pvp joining up, IRON dont deserve to have BoB invading their territory.
Kastar	Posted - 2006.01.04 16:07:00 - [241] As a neutral player in this entire flamefest I would like to add this: - I don't believe in the distinction pvp - carebear whatever as quoted by some above. It's rubble and blabla as usual to put a label on someone. As Seleene truthfully quoted: even the pvp-oriented alliances will at some point build their own ships - Where I like to refrain from stating any stupidities about a fight I wasn't witness of, I can see more BoB guys making this thread gone awry than others. Even though they like to state otherwise, it seems the leaders of BoB don't control their forces, else I'd order them to behave a little bit more - Again, I wasn't there, but seeing the sheer numbers of replies from Bob forces, to me it looks like a sore spot was hit. Fact remains that all these numbers and comparisons are utterly useless. Fact is that there is always someone stronger, bigger, smarter, whatever. How many alliances you are up against is not relevant at all. The only thing relevant in here is how big the available forces are and how many pilots you have been able to engage over a period of time, not during one battle. Can't really remember who it was but the best comparison up to now was the one with the totals in losses on both sides. The one with the 1+1=2 alliances is bull :) What if it are 2 50-pilot alliance ? Bad comparison. Fact is that due to this thread, I'm completely losing my respect for BoB. I now hear their replies coming in the sense of : "boohoo too bad, boooo" but that's the actual reason. They make too much noise, they indeed boast too much and they just don't sound mature, a few exceptions notwithstanding. Kudos to G/Iron for fighting back, and respect for refraining from releasing uselss blabber and peptalk on the boards. Whoever won or was overpowered... it's only a matter of time before the current strongest falls. I've been playing since 1.5 year and to be honest I only found the battle between BoB & FA worth it. All other roadtrips I see as carefully prepared and picked propaganda events.
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2006.01.04 16:10:00 - [242] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: SinBin Even more important is that by there own admission BOB is a pure PVP allaince vs industrial/semipvp allainces. Hardly. BoB's carebear side is alive and well. You think that they are going to have someone else build thier Dreads and Motherships? I'm not cheering for either side here. Pro-BoB, anti BoB... whatever. All I'm saying is that maybe the day is coming when BoB will be forced to eat a slice of humble pie, but it's not going to happen anytime soon, not when so many of thier 'enemies' let them dictate the playing field. It may not happen at all now that CCP has eliminated the 'Zerg POS rush' as a viable tactic. Regardless, a determined enemy could really play havoc with BoB's logistics if they actually tried. The only reason no one has ever done so is because BoB has almost always been on the offensive. No one has ever really tried to mount a full scale offensive against BoB. Everyone knows where BoB lives. You want to hurt BoB? Try actually attacking them where it matters in force. Try to kick them out of a region of space for a change. You'd probably get stonewalled, but at least it would be different. sounds like a sales pitch to me... ;-)
Stins	Posted - 2006.01.04 16:15:00 - [243] The thread of this alt regarding ISS was clueless. So this one cant be much better
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2006.01.04 16:19:00 - [244] Nevermind, too medicated.. I wonder if CapCrunnch realizes this thread will have the exact opposite effect.
Nifel	Posted - 2006.01.04 16:36:00 - [245] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: SinBin Even more important is that by there own admission BOB is a pure PVP allaince vs industrial/semipvp allainces. Hardly. BoB's carebear side is alive and well. You think that they are going to have someone else build thier Dreads and Motherships? I'm not cheering for either side here. Pro-BoB, anti BoB... whatever. All I'm saying is that maybe the day is coming when BoB will be forced to eat a slice of humble pie, but it's not going to happen anytime soon, not when so many of thier 'enemies' let them dictate the playing field. It may not happen at all now that CCP has eliminated the 'Zerg POS rush' as a viable tactic. Regardless, a determined enemy could really play havoc with BoB's logistics if they actually tried. The only reason no one has ever done so is because BoB has almost always been on the offensive. No one has ever really tried to mount a full scale offensive against BoB. Everyone knows where BoB lives. You want to hurt BoB? Try actually attacking them where it matters in force. Try to kick them out of a region of space for a change. You'd probably get stonewalled, but at least it would be different. I wish someone had tried the small pos zerg rush on us. We had a plan in place and it would be nice to know if it would've worked. In fact... I really wish someone would attack us in a fullscale war in Delve to try and take over the region. It's a really nice reagion hint hint. "We wield swords for the sound of laughter that used to be there long ago." RKK Ranking: (MIN13) Jata
theRaptor	Posted - 2006.01.04 16:39:00 - [246] Originally by: Kastar As a neutral player in this entire flamefest I would like to add this: - I don't believe in the distinction pvp - carebear whatever as quoted by some above. It's rubble and blabla as usual to put a label on someone. As Seleene truthfully quoted: even the pvp-oriented alliances will at some point build their own ships To me carebear doesn't mean industrialist. It means someone who is a coward and will not fight if they are in any danger. There are plenty of carebear pirates and PVPers in EVE. And plenty of Industrialist that know how to defend themselves and live 23/7 in 0.0 I don't think you trust, in, my, self-righteous suicide.
dabster	Posted - 2006.01.04 17:03:00 - [247] haha @ this topic ___________________________ Chicks dig Brutor's
VonKaplanek III	Posted - 2006.01.04 17:05:00 - [248] Too bad we cant get the truth here. I wish there was an automatic kill board in eve...if you kill or get killed it logs officially within eve database. This would stop alot of the crap. There is also far too much "spin" put on alliance achievements or lack thereof. Too bad the RP aspect of eve keep these alts from being exposed. Alts spewing flaming chunks of utter troll crap just makes the whole situation spiral downward. Bottom line is that G, Iron, Razer, Smash, NBSI, did not break ASCN. Bottom line is that BoB have been holding the iron outpost for weeks now. Bottom line is many billions have been lost on all sides, but it is very apparent to me that all these "calculated" losses and decisions by G/Iron leadership have not gotten them too far. Much respect to g/iron, they are quite the force to deal with, but the facts remain... Your "major" alliance goals to "take the south", "crush ascn", and get rid of BoB in their backyard has been a rough road so far, wouldnt you say??
Rysse Andrama	Posted - 2006.01.04 17:05:00 - [249] having read this whole thread it is very obvious to the neutral outsider that the alt starting this thread is prolly a BoB alt trying the usual trick of divide and conquer between IRON and G. thought you could come up with something a little more orginal....
fuze	Posted - 2006.01.04 17:26:00 - [250] Anything that kills you, makes you stronger. ___________________________ By your command
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.01.04 17:30:00 - [251] Originally by: Kastar - Where I like to refrain from stating any stupidities about a fight I wasn't witness of, I can see more BoB guys making this thread gone awry than others. Even though they like to state otherwise, it seems the leaders of BoB don't control their forces, else I'd order them to behave a little bit more BoB have and will NEVER censor its pilots on the forums. We may ask them to refrain from posting, or indeed to avoid certain topics - but we are absolute believers in the right to free speech. I stand behind every bob pilot that chooses to post on these forums, regardless of how idiotic it may make them look, we may indeed laugh at them for being so stupid, but only internally and you can bet your bottom dollar that, when the targets start getting called, when it really matters, our discipline is second to none. If that comes across as "lack of control" on these forums, well, frankly my dear, we don't give a damn. Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
Rodge	Posted - 2006.01.04 17:34:00 - [252] Originally by: Kastar - I don't believe in the distinction pvp - carebear whatever as quoted by some above. It's rubble and blabla as usual to put a label on someone. As Seleene truthfully quoted: even the pvp-oriented alliances will at some point build their own ships You're exactly correct. I'd say BOB have a better industrial framework than most industrial alliances. I personally have a character who could out-carebear most people in Eve. No-one in BOB has ever claimed we don't "Carebear it up" from time to time. Originally by: Kastar - Where I like to refrain from stating any stupidities about a fight I wasn't witness of, I can see more BoB guys making this thread gone awry than others. Even though they like to state otherwise, it seems the leaders of BoB don't control their forces, else I'd order them to behave a little bit more Being a neutrel observer, you're entitled to your opinion. But don't let the fact that BoB guys have freedom on the forums (how many other alliances have complete freedom like this to say what they like - hence we post with our mains and not alts) make you think that the BoB leadership does not have control ingame. Everyone knows that we go into impossible odds at times. That's because every single person in BOB has absolute confidence in our leadership and will follow even suicidal orders. And our leadership absolutely knows that, to a man, we will follow these orders. Most other corp/alliance leaderships do not enjoy that absolute trust with the general populace of those that they lead. [ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
Crean NaVar	Posted - 2006.01.04 17:36:00 - [253] Originally by: VonKaplanek III Your "major" alliance goals to "take the south", "crush ascn", ... You know nothing about our "major" alliance goals. Our southern campaign was a PvP roadtrip, like the one of BoB in Deklein now. If we ever decide to move to the south, we¦ll let you know.
Tony Fats	Posted - 2006.01.04 17:36:00 - [254] BoB bragging that they beat IRON is like Mike Tyson bragging that he beat up Don Knotts.
NATMav	Posted - 2006.01.04 18:06:00 - [255] Regardless of the smack on both sides, one thing is certain. Late night US time > EU primetime for getting quality fights. Inappropriate sig -zhuge
Galavet	Posted - 2006.01.04 18:07:00 - [256] Originally by: Crean NaVar Originally by: VonKaplanek III Your "major" alliance goals to "take the south", "crush ascn", ... You know nothing about our "major" alliance goals. Our southern campaign was a PvP roadtrip, like the one of BoB in Deklein now. If we ever decide to move to the south, we¦ll let you know. Crean, trying to use logic against some people around here is like talking to a brick wall, it just dont work. They will never understand the term "Roadtrip" or "Extended Deployment" as we do. They think because you went somewhere you have to own it and enslave the populas before you are allowed to leave with any amount of respect. Its sad really.
ZelRox	Posted - 2006.01.04 18:26:00 - [257] Originally by: Rodge You're exactly correct. I'd say BOB have a better industrial framework than most industrial alliances. I personally have a character who could out-carebear most people in Eve. No-one in BOB has ever claimed we don't "Carebear it up" from time to time. Signed :D 17m industry oriented sp and counting. And when it comes to the killboard, You wont get it more accurate. What you see on ours, is what you would see on a official one. No more no less. ---------------------- dude x > anyone killed any VC yet? dude y > rumour has it there was one of them undocked but it turned out to be just that...
BlackDog Rackh'am	Posted - 2006.01.04 18:40:00 - [258] What i gather from the situation during the last couple of days... BoB were royally pssed about that video posted by a deklein resident. In fact,some got to the point of complaining to IRON for bringing numbers to deliberately lag them out. It's ok,passions may run high in this game,but it was a bad move PR-wise nonetheless. It's CCPs job to keep the servers stable,not IRON's job. To a lot of neutral bystanders this looked like "WAAAH iron crashed my node" and when they checked alliance tags and seen the BoB one,they must have reacted like this: I think this is what makes more people start threads like this,and tbh the more of a reaction the OPs get from certain individuals,the happier and they are. In fact,some guys from BoB and Atuk in this thread hinted that most of what's been happening the last couple of days is because they took offence to what was seen in the forums. Now i'm not pretending to be an expert in political analysis,but going from skirmishes to nuclear war because the enemy tabloids paint you in a funny light doesn't really seem smart. If anything, the more BoB acts pssed and posts here,the more alts they'll have slandering them when they decide to leave for Fountain. Their position might develop to be a dangerous one in regards to publim image,for the first time after a lot of months. If and when this happens, there's no easy way out,simply because it's like trying to move around in quicksand while a dog is p*ssing on your head,you either move slowly or get sucked in the pit. I'm not referring to trolling alts,there are certain well known members of the community (Hi Eddz !) that openly doubt their abilities. BoB has done a lot of things in the past and has a massive reputation to live up to. In fact,i believe the only real danger that faces them is their own "ghost of pwnage past". At some point,the combination of making lots of enemies,propaganda stunts, and arrogance displayed by some members will produce an enemy worthy of BoB. And their worth will not be t2 ships and adv weapon upgrades lvl5,but hatred of such an extent that will drive them through the conflict to victory (the "get a real life you geek!" kind of victory,but a victory nonetheless ) At that point BoB will be faced with an interesting dilemma. Lose face and admit defeat or keep pushing on the road to extinction? I sense some interesting times ahead,and i hope some of the scenarios materialise,because it's boring as hell having the same alliances run the show unopposed for about a year now. As for the [5],this move might bring Atuk back into BoB's arms. Shinra and Mcorp went off to pursue a different agenda, Black Omega and Supremacy is seen around Syndicate and it's mostly Atuk and Delta in H-PA. I'm expecting an announcement that states how working with BoB brings back memories of old,getting all fuzzy and Atuk joining them. If it happens,it will be a smart move,since most of the war in venal and tribute consists of small scale raiding by both parties and lots of boredom in between. Only recently there were attempts at fleet battles,and some of tribute's systems sharing nodes with empire space didn't help with the lag. All in all,i expect some of the guys in Atuk will welcome a change of scenery and enemies and go back to BoB,simply leaving the rest of the [5] at positive standings. What never ceases to amaze me though is the ability of people in this game to exercise double standards of judgement. I'm mostly referring to the cheering of ASCN (ex-)members and sympathisers of the enemies of G/Iron. When G/Iron was killing ASCN in droves,it was because they had mobilised their "farmers with pitchforks" hence the high casualty rate and zerg rushes, but now that Iron is blobbing up and taking lossess in their home space they are "lame lag exploiters who don't know jack about PvP" That's my speculation for now,more when i get to work later during the night
Thrak	Posted - 2006.01.04 18:43:00 - [259] I love how this thread is still going. I think Abdalion and the mods are just letting it run and run because we have been taking them for granted. <3 mods - come back to us!
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.01.04 20:03:00 - [260] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am BoB has done a lot of things in the past and has a massive reputation to live up to. In fact,i believe the only real danger that faces them is their own "ghost of pwnage past". At some point,the combination of making lots of enemies,propaganda stunts, and arrogance displayed by some members will produce an enemy worthy of BoB. And their worth will not be t2 ships and adv weapon upgrades lvl5,but hatred of such an extent that will drive them through the conflict to victory (the "get a real life you geek!" kind of victory,but a victory nonetheless ) At that point BoB will be faced with an interesting dilemma. Lose face and admit defeat or keep pushing on the road to extinction? I sense some interesting times ahead,and i hope some of the scenarios materialise,because it's boring as hell having the same alliances run the show unopposed for about a year now. I learnt a lot about how to handle defeat in the last MMOG I played for several years before Eve, Mankind. There was a group 'similar' to BoB there, cheesily called Mordor, who roleplayed the universe's ebil element, rubbed people's noses in their own words and generally pwnd all. However, whenever Mordor would fight another alliance/guild they would almost always say "Just admit you're defeated and move on and we'll end the war" and when an enemy did admit defeat true to their word Mordor would end the war and move on to the next target. Eventually after they made enough enemies a large enough coalition did come along and beat them, they held their hands up and admited they were beaten, took pride in how well they'd fought and moved on to rise again months later. If it happens to us in Eve I hope to have the same strength of character and sense of good sportsmanship to behave in the same way. I can tell you one thing for sure though, if it happens it's going to take a lot of people a long time and an unprecedented amount of pressure to pull it off. Good luck to anyone who tries it. Eve Blacklight Style
KSUDruid	Posted - 2006.01.04 20:17:00 - [261] Originally by: DB Preacher We also have boosted our US area with the likes of KSUDruid (an excellent FC) That is a blatent Lie. I have never commanded a fleet nor do I even have a microphone. My ships carry nothing but warp core stabs, nano fibers, t1 railguns and a cloak. If you shoot at me I will instantly warp away, safespot, cloak, wait out my pvp timer and log. And because I'm absolutely no threat to you at all, you should never ever shoot me or even attempt to target my ships. Remember these are not the droids you are looking for Originally by: NATMav Late night US time > EU primetime for getting quality fights. Quoted for Truth. GG in VFK Last night. EAGLE 4TW! -Druid
Baun	Posted - 2006.01.04 20:32:00 - [262] chugga chugga chugga choo choo Here comes the BoB flame train (at least they are flaming an alt this time) chugga chugga chugga on to the next thread The Enemy's Gate is Down
Maule	Posted - 2006.01.04 20:37:00 - [263] Originally by: Avon Originally by: The Entire Thread Rabble Rabble Rabble O RLY? Best post so far in here tbh :\|
Cummilla	Posted - 2006.01.04 20:44:00 - [264] Originally by: Crean NaVar Originally by: VonKaplanek III Your "major" alliance goals to "take the south", "crush ascn", ... You know nothing about our "major" alliance goals. Our southern campaign was a PvP roadtrip, like the one of BoB in Deklein now. If we ever decide to move to the south, we¦ll let you know. First to Von Planet, just look at who holds the space at the end of the road. No one should doubt that this type of "reality therapy" would undermine most of the alts' post. Except mine of course To the Catacylsm guy, when I went on a road trip in high school with my buds, I never moved out of my house and into another like you all did when you abandoned your stuff in the north to the extent that ASCN and BoB were running amok up there. I guess the loss of your OP to BoB up there is the telltale proof that this is in fact the case. And indeed your "roadtrip" was more of a bonafide one way trip and attempt to accomplish an objective of expanding the space your "empire"(such as it is) occupies. Please refer to my former remarks to Von Planet as to how this newly revised "road trip" went. Of course, the downside of all this for G\Iron is that they now have a reputation as a duplicitious dealer that not only backstabs potential foes but also treats its slaves poorly by leaving them alone and defenseless when the fleet takes "road trips." I guess "road trips" can go bad, I know I got caught by the parent units a couple times. Perhaps you'd be best served by sticking to your own space and learning how to have fun in a pvp sense from there :)
Galavet	Posted - 2006.01.04 21:49:00 - [265] Originally by: Baun chugga chugga chugga choo choo Here comes the BoB flame train (at least they are flaming an alt this time) chugga chugga chugga on to the next thread Better to ride the flame train than the "special" train like you do.
Seleene	Posted - 2006.01.04 22:06:00 - [266] Originally by: KSUDruid Originally by: DB Preacher We also have boosted our US area with the likes of KSUDruid (an excellent FC) That is a blatent Lie. I have never commanded a fleet nor do I even have a microphone. My ships carry nothing but warp core stabs, nano fibers, t1 railguns and a cloak. If you shoot at me I will instantly warp away, safespot, cloak, wait out my pvp timer and log. And because I'm absolutely no threat to you at all, you should never ever shoot me or even attempt to target my ships. Dude, stop stealing my setups! - DEVS, JUMP DRIVE MAP PLEASE?
Dirtball	Posted - 2006.01.04 22:44:00 - [267] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am BoB has done a lot of things in the past and has a massive reputation to live up to. In fact,i believe the only real danger that faces them is their own "ghost of pwnage past". At some point,the combination of making lots of enemies,propaganda stunts, and arrogance displayed by some members will produce an enemy worthy of BoB. And their worth will not be t2 ships and adv weapon upgrades lvl5,but hatred of such an extent that will drive them through the conflict to victory (the "get a real life you geek!" kind of victory,but a victory nonetheless ) At that point BoB will be faced with an interesting dilemma. Lose face and admit defeat or keep pushing on the road to extinction? I sense some interesting times ahead,and i hope some of the scenarios materialise,because it's boring as hell having the same alliances run the show unopposed for about a year now. I learnt a lot about how to handle defeat in the last MMOG I played for several years before Eve, Mankind. There was a group 'similar' to BoB there, cheesily called Mordor, who roleplayed the universe's ebil element, rubbed people's noses in their own words and generally pwnd all. However, whenever Mordor would fight another alliance/guild they would almost always say "Just admit you're defeated and move on and we'll end the war" and when an enemy did admit defeat true to their word Mordor would end the war and move on to the next target. Eventually after they made enough enemies a large enough coalition did come along and beat them, they held their hands up and admited they were beaten, took pride in how well they'd fought and moved on to rise again months later. If it happens to us in Eve I hope to have the same strength of character and sense of good sportsmanship to behave in the same way. I can tell you one thing for sure though, if it happens it's going to take a lot of people a long time and an unprecedented amount of pressure to pull it off. Good luck to anyone who tries it. ummm, didn't we wtfpwn your face all over curse, while you guys ran around and logged off multiple times? I don't recall seeing any "good show curse" posts back then. The most fun weekend I ever had in eve was when BoB attempted to attack curse.
Galavet	Posted - 2006.01.04 22:48:00 - [268] Edited by: Galavet on 04/01/2006 22:48:46 Originally by: Dirtball Incorrect Info Here Who wants to be first to dig up the "we got pwnd" recording/video of the CA ts? Dirtball, your way of base here.
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2006.01.04 22:58:00 - [269] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am ...5... nice assumptions, sadly its all fiction. We have said multiple times that we are dedicated to the wars declared upon us, which are going quiet well i might add. BoB are our brothers and them beeing barely 20 jumps away gives us the chance to visit them every now and then, an opportunity the northern alliances use quiet frequently. Noone posted about the FE frigfleet coming to JU- last night, nor about the FE blockade fleet in KK- (10 jumps from the event). Guess different things make news while others are just ignored.
Dirtball	Posted - 2006.01.04 23:03:00 - [270] Originally by: Galavet Edited by: Galavet on 04/01/2006 22:48:46 Originally by: Dirtball Incorrect Info Here Who wants to be first to dig up the "we got pwnd" recording/video of the CA ts? Dirtball, your way of base here. oh i'm sorry did you manage to gank a couple ships at 4am? you're wrong, everyone I know from CA thought that weekend was great fun.
Galavet	Posted - 2006.01.04 23:10:00 - [271] Originally by: Dirtball Originally by: Galavet Edited by: Galavet on 04/01/2006 22:48:46 Originally by: Dirtball Incorrect Info Here Who wants to be first to dig up the "we got pwnd" recording/video of the CA ts? Dirtball, your way of base here. oh i'm sorry did you manage to gank a couple ships at 4am? you're wrong, everyone I know from CA thought that weekend was great fun. So if i bother to dig up a list of all the kills and losses to prove you wrong, and find that video will you shut up? Current RKK Ranking: (MIN100) CEO
reaTh	Posted - 2006.01.04 23:13:00 - [272] lol at this thread all im gunna say ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Current RKK Ranking: (MIN9) Zuvan
maxsuicide1	Posted - 2006.01.04 23:16:00 - [273] Originally by: reaTh lol at this thread all im gunna say admit defeat reath!!!1 make it less painful1!1
BlackDog Rackh'am	Posted - 2006.01.04 23:47:00 - [274] Thanks for the no-smack replies Blacklight and Kcel Chim. Goes to show that there's still some hope for actual debate in these forums if you ask nicely enough I did state my post was mostly speculation,maybe that's why i didn't get flamed Btw,nice story Blacklight. I think a lot of things get stirred up because people take all this too seriously. For people like me who don't get enough time to play,a gang of bored PVPers going on nothing more than a raid can easily spark curiosity and conspiracy theories. Sadly, a lot of times discussing this all descends into "get a clue,none of your business" affairs. However,i seem to have mastered the dark forum arts of getting responses
skilz	Posted - 2006.01.05 00:38:00 - [275] Originally by: KSUDruid Originally by: DB Preacher We also have boosted our US area with the likes of KSUDruid (an excellent FC) That is a blatent Lie. I have never commanded a fleet nor do I even have a microphone. My ships carry nothing but warp core stabs, nano fibers, t1 railguns and a cloak. If you shoot at me I will instantly warp away, safespot, cloak, wait out my pvp timer and log. And because I'm absolutely no threat to you at all, you should never ever shoot me or even attempt to target my ships. Remember these are not the droids you are looking for He actually means call him primary... --
magickangaroo	Posted - 2006.01.05 00:39:00 - [276] Originally by: Boonaki I could see the devs starting posts like this for chits and giggles looool true true :) bet t20 and dianabolic, err, i mean oveur is pulling our leg.
magickangaroo	Posted - 2006.01.05 00:43:00 - [277] Edited by: magickangaroo on 05/01/2006 00:44:22 Originally by: hired goon Let me just defeat your silly "OMG IRON + G = 2 ALLAINCES WTF HAX" whining. We are essentially one alliance. But for the language barrier and organisations' sake, we are two. lol.. no no no. 2 points 1) im sure imp felt the same way gimp anyone? 2) ur pants. g arent. G have balls. u dont. ur not the same alliance. and its nothing to do with language. if u haventworked it out now let me help. iron has pets it uses for cannon fodder. g put up with u cos it means they get to fly around in bs while u guys fly around tackling things in ur t1 frig fleets. however posts such as ur just embiter peeps opinion of G. thru association. i know a fair few G guys from b4 they were G and theyre sound blokes. but the way u guys handle urselfs on here and in game just rubs of on them too.

Imaran	Posted - 2006.01.05 00:47:00 - [278] Originally by: thoth foc hmmm.. i'm thinking flamebait.. You're not wrong... Never Fear, I Is Here. click ~~Property Of Eris~~ ~~Property Of Uly~~ ~~Property Of Kaemonn~~ Property Of Zhuge Liang...

magickangaroo	Posted - 2006.01.05 00:50:00 - [279] Originally by: hired goon Let me just defeat your silly "OMG IRON + G = 2 ALLAINCES WTF HAX" whining. We are essentially one alliance. But for the language barrier and organisations' sake, we are two. oh.. and why is it always an iron guy who says this? where are all the G going oh yeah wed have them in G if it wernt for the fact they dont speak German. never mind the fact that every single G piolt iv seen in space speek better english than me.

Imaran	Posted - 2006.01.05 00:51:00 - [280] Originally by: thoth foc hmmm.. i'm thinking flamebait.. You're not wrong... Never Fear, I Is Here. click ~~Property Of Eris~~ ~~Property Of Uly~~ ~~Property Of Kaemonn~~ Property Of Zhuge Liang...


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