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Boonaki	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:04:00 - [1] This thread is for the major alliances involved to talk without alts. If I can ask the mods to delete any alt trolling flame posts then please feel free. So far IRON and G have fought us, they have engaged when it was possible for them to win, so props to ya'll. You haven't sat in a station/safespotted/logged when we came about. Much more then some of those we've fought. I know you guys have a no smack policy and try to refrain from playing forum warrior. But what do your pilots think of us? I'm verry curious and with all the unknown alt posts a little clarrification would be nice. I for one am having a blast. Fear the Ibis of doom.

Abdalion	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:07:00 - [2] Originally by: Boonaki This thread is for the major alliances involved to talk without alts. If I can ask the mods to delete any alt trolling flame posts then please feel free. What a marvelously wonderful idea. --- forum rules \| [email protected] I ♥ You.... ¬ Shepherd of the [23]

Boonaki	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:08:00 - [3] Thank you, lock the other thread :P Fear the Ibis of doom.
Acwron	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:09:00 - [4] Sorry but I fail to see the need for any thread.
Gyro DuAquin1	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:09:00 - [5] <3 bob nuff said
reaTh	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:10:00 - [6] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 <3 bob nuff said <3 teh pink fluffeh g ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Current RKK Ranking: (MIN9) Zuvan
FiGHT XZen	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:10:00 - [7] Edited by: FiGHT XZen on 04/01/2006 00:17:22 Originally by: Boonaki But what do your pilots think of us?
Edoo	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:10:00 - [8] Its interesting how Abdalion has been influenced by the anti-alt craze. ducks

Abdalion	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:12:00 - [9] Originally by: Edoo Its interesting how Abdalion has been influenced by the anti-alt craze. ducks Alt trolls are quite troublesome. I have posted before about this, and may elect to do so again. But if people feed the trolls, there isn't much I can do to correct the imbalance is there? That's enough discussion on moderation for the day. --- forum rules \| [email protected] I ♥ You.... ¬ Shepherd of the [23]

hired goon	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:13:00 - [10] Edited by: hired goon on 04/01/2006 00:14:03 Abdalion you've said before that mods know the main of every alt... why not post who the main is in each instance? Goon reckons it will stop the alt troll problem. -omg-
Edoo	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:13:00 - [11] Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Edoo Its interesting how Abdalion has been influenced by the anti-alt craze. ducks Alt trolls are quite troublesome. I have posted before about this, and may elect to do so again. But if people feed the trolls, there isn't much I can do to correct the imbalance is there? That's enough discussion on moderation for the day. Fair enough
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:16:00 - [12] Originally by: hired goon Edited by: hired goon on 04/01/2006 00:14:03 Abdalion you've said before that mods know the main of every alt... why not post who the main is in each instance? Goon reckons it will stop the alt troll problem. Man I hate having to agree with Hired, but I know BoB would support that :P Fear the Ibis of doom.
Edoo	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:18:00 - [13] Edited by: Edoo on 04/01/2006 00:19:39 I know this is contriversial but i think its a good thing that alts can remain hidden. I post whatever i like on my main, but others who feel less secure socially secure may feel the need to use an alt instead. Although alt trolls ftl, i think taking heed of what an alt says is a personal choice, not one to be dictated by the general thoughts of the community. If a minority express contriversial feelings, they may get flamed which can be damaging to your self esteem. I am lucky in that so far i havn't been flamed too much for some of my contriversial thoughts ducks again
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:19:00 - [14] Some alliances the main can't post what he wants to say, so has to use an alt. So, down with censorship? Fear the Ibis of doom.

Abdalion	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Edoo I know this is contriversial but i think its a good thing that alts can remain hidden. I post whatever i like on my main, but others who feel less secure socially secure may feel the need to use an alt instead. Although alt trolls ftl, i think taking heed of what an alt says is a personal choice, not one to be dictated by the general thoughts of the community. ducks again That is a very astute observation. It isn't alts I have a problem with, it is the troll alts and them that feed the trolls. --- forum rules \| [email protected] I ♥ You.... ¬ Shepherd of the [23]


Abdalion	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:19:00 - [16] Originally by: hired goon Abdalion you've said before that mods know the main of every alt... why not post who the main is in each instance? Goon reckons it will stop the alt troll problem. There are privacy concerns relating to RP with such a policy, and as much as I hate to agree with the policy, I must. --- forum rules \| [email protected] I ♥ You.... ¬ Shepherd of the [23]

Boonaki	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:20:00 - [17] Time to troll... Someone say something to **** someone off and start a good discussion. Fear the Ibis of doom.

Abdalion	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:20:00 - [18] Originally by: Boonaki Some alliances the main can't post what he wants to say, so has to use an alt. So, down with censorship? If people choose to be in an alliance with such rules, that is entirely up to them. --- forum rules \| [email protected] I ♥ You.... ¬ Shepherd of the [23]

Necronom	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:20:00 - [19] I agree, fighting IRON/G has been more fun than fighting most of those we've fought. Yes the lag has made some of hte fighting very lame. At first it was typical BoB fighting, chasing around small groups cuz no1 would fight us with fleets, but now that they're really bringing it im having a blast.
Lion El'Johnson	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:25:00 - [20] Originally by: Boonaki But what do your pilots think of us? I'm verry curious and with all the unknown alt posts a little clarrification would be nice. I for one am having a blast. I think the majority of BoB is cool but when you allow nasty peeps like Alexison come onto the forums and accuse me of collaborating with your enemy then threaten me I get a little upset. Proper Regards, Lion El'Johnson CEO Lion's Emporiums Corporation
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:26:00 - [21] Originally by: Boonaki Time to troll... Someone say something to **** someone off and start a good discussion. all bob do is use stabs and ss. /emote runs for the hills
Lorth	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:27:00 - [22] I personally think that BOB and 5 are evil griefers and so on. Further they don't engage ever, and log dock, stab, etc etc.... Ok I said it so no one else needs to. My personal, and serious opinion about G and IRON though. G, seems to me they are disaplined and well organised. They know how to fight and are every bit as good as many of the other alliences out there. However, I detest fighting them with a passion. Let me try and explain it in the least flammy way possible, though I think someone may take offence to it. Even though they are good fighters, they certainly don't act like it. I've seen a number of times where I would have engaged, though, G simpl didn't. I'm not talking about suicide missions, but genuine fights. Most notably, several times during [5]'s invastion into the north a few mounths ago. We would see G wither safe spot, or warp off, or simply refuse to enage in situations that I felt were very fair and even fights. From what I've seen they have the skills, the players, and the leaders to win a large protion of those fights, they simply didn't happen. Which lead to a large amount of smack between our two groups. It was a most fustrating thing to fight G. And we were reduced to either flying in gank squads, or having suicide fleet battles in which we were greatly out numbered. I know my info is old as I havn't fought G in a number of mounths. But it did always confuse me as to why they wouldn't fight when they had the tools to do so. They could have been a great enemy, had they come out and played. We would have won some, lost some, and everyone would have had fun.
un5een	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:32:00 - [23] what i think about bob: real easy! they are the best alliance on the field and maybe in other parts of eve too. i myself, and i think most others in g, just love to compete with such an opponent! beside this i really dislike some of the leading players, but the general pilot in bob is funny and always up for a good conversation. ----------------------------------------------- there are 6 million ways to die... chose one! G
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:33:00 - [24] Originally by: Acwron Sorry but I fail to see the need for any thread. Don't make me slobber on you, Acwron. fwiw the last week or so has been great fun and local is, (surprisingly?) alot more polite and respectful than the forums tend to be. PA I don't really have any opinion of. The corps that now make up the fe alliance I have known for a long time, in-game, and don't know any of their new people - they're good guys. NBSI don't seem to be NBSI and I haven't had any reason to respect them. [G] are my favourite alliance in-game, I spend as much time talking to Bratzo as I do talking to my mother Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
Redblade	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:33:00 - [25] Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Edoo I know this is contriversial but i think its a good thing that alts can remain hidden. I post whatever i like on my main, but others who feel less secure socially secure may feel the need to use an alt instead. Although alt trolls ftl, i think taking heed of what an alt says is a personal choice, not one to be dictated by the general thoughts of the community. ducks again That is a very astute observation. It isn't alts I have a problem with, it is the troll alts and them that feed the trolls. An addition to the rules which allows the mods to post the main of the alt troll thread starter would solve the problem it self as i doubt that anyone would start threads like that under that condition ofc combined with not allowing trial accounts to post in this section at all.
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:34:00 - [26] G are a lot better these days tbh Lorth. I used to feel the same about them, as can be read in my blog entry about G, but these days I know they take more risks and are more aggressive. However, I do firmly believe that G and IRON together are so handicapped by IRON that their overall ability to fight (as G do when they are on their own or in a significant majority) is limited. That's why you see the very cautious approach and the creation of such huge gangs largely populated by a core of G battleships (with a sprinkling of IRON BS) and twelvemillionandone IRON support craft (with several G cov-ops and interceptors). Eve Blacklight Style
csebal	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:34:00 - [27] Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: hired goon Abdalion you've said before that mods know the main of every alt... why not post who the main is in each instance? Goon reckons it will stop the alt troll problem. There are privacy concerns relating to RP with such a policy, and as much as I hate to agree with the policy, I must. Actually, role playing means that you play a role, not that your true identity should be hidden. Personally i would prefer to have an account name next to each character name, so that you would know with whom you are dealing with. If you prefer to role play, knowing who the other one "really" is should not be a hindrance. It would definitely limit the ammount of available abuses on the other hand. I play pen and paper rpg as well, and knowing all other players personally has never reduced the enjoyment i got from role playing. As for the O.P, well.. i love to fight BoB. Not because they would fight fairer than the others, after all.. we all play to win, but they are a definite challenge which forces you to give the max, or even more. Personally, i care little about trolling, you can always ignore that, what i dislike is hate over a game. Especially when it gets out-of-game and personal. That i shoot someone doesnt means i have to hate him. In my book, being friends and shooting eachother to pieces can coexist very well ;) So down with alts, lets all stay friends, lets shoot eachother and respect those who deserve it. My post does not represent the general or official opinion of HUN corp, or The Forsaken Empire. No matter what YOU believe.
Edoo	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:48:00 - [28] Originally by: Redblade Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Edoo I know this is contriversial but i think its a good thing that alts can remain hidden. I post whatever i like on my main, but others who feel less secure socially secure may feel the need to use an alt instead. Although alt trolls ftl, i think taking heed of what an alt says is a personal choice, not one to be dictated by the general thoughts of the community. ducks again That is a very astute observation. It isn't alts I have a problem with, it is the troll alts and them that feed the trolls. An addition to the rules which allows the mods to post the main of the alt troll thread starter would solve the problem it self as i doubt that anyone would start threads like that under that condition ofc combined with not allowing trial accounts to post in this section at all. That actually sounds like a great idea. However it would be interesting trying to get around the following problems: - Which character is the main char - Using different characters is part of the great 'scamming' element of eve, which attracts players to the limitless environment. - Some people may like to maintain seperate identities of their characters (roleplayers especially) A way around this could be by if a mod spots a repeatedly offending troll alt, that character slot can be banned from posting temporarily or permanently (this would stop alt recycling). Also your idea on trial accounts is great - they should only be able to post on the forums they need to use.
Galavet	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:49:00 - [29] Being a BoB CEO, I tend to judge other alliance by their leadership and I can find no fault with the G Brass or Buddrow and Destable of IRON (where is Dest btw?) Both groups have nice resourceful leaders at the top, who were always good to talk to. I have been very heated ever since the BoB gets pwned video surfaced yesterday, and have smacked alot since then, but its only temporary rage which will pass.
Lorth	Posted - 2006.01.04 01:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Blacklight G are a lot better these days tbh Lorth. I used to feel the same about them, as can be read in my blog entry about G, but these days I know they take more risks and are more aggressive. However, I do firmly believe that G and IRON together are so handicapped by IRON that their overall ability to fight (as G do when they are on their own or in a significant majority) is limited. That's why you see the very cautious approach and the creation of such huge gangs largely populated by a core of G battleships (with a sprinkling of IRON BS) and twelvemillionandone IRON support craft (with several G cov-ops and interceptors). Fair enough, as I said I havn't been able to fight G in a long time. I'll add my IRON opinion here though. I feel personally betrayed by many of the people in IRON. Mostly due to the gong show that was the NSA vs BOB war. While I know they have tried to adopt a new structure that keeps the same thing from happening again, I still see the same faces and the same ideals, and action being taken by them. Personally I feel that the only thing that has kept them alive this long is thier close relation with G, who have come to thier resue more then a few times. (note let's leave dead dogs in the ground here, just agree that your not changing my opinion, and I'm not going to change yours) Not withstanding, is the propaganda that I see from time to time coming from IRON. Much like PA who claim again and again that they won the GNW, IRON in thier own way make claims that are utter non-sence. I won't be specific here, so as not to derail the threat. But I personally believe that at times they make a mockery of themselves, by posting outragous claims on the forums. Not to mention that they seem to be de-evolving into more and more of a carebear allience. It would seem that they have no PVP leadership at all. More so, I've seen personally on several occastions IRON pull a "Xetic." Or better said, moves and actions that scream 'mining allience.' Its not to say that IRON doesn't have some good PVP'rs, I'm sure they do. But the ratio of miner to fighter is very much biased towards the miners, and getting worse. IMO, I personally don't believe that IRON is capable of fighting a war against almost anyone solo. Sorry if you've taken this as smack. Perhaps it is. Though, I've tried my best to say I don't like you, in as civil a manner as possible.

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