It is a great shame that marauders don't get her a single of core problems revisited(quite similar to hybrids) and instead get dumped down into a even smaller niche, lose her appeal for her old applications and will overall end up as ineffective lazy mode ships. Overall one more time that CCP shows that they have little understanding of the use of her ships and the overall game mechanics, and completely ignoring feedback for people that actually use the hulls in a halve decent way.

[quote=The Djego]
These ships have been taken out of a limited use as incursion runners and a few mission areas to viable in most pve and very viable in pvp.

It doesn't, they are still much more expensive than standart BSs while not really getting a good pvp benefit. It still leaves them very situational at best.

No it just shows yet again the attitude of the average pve player. They never test anything then whine for months that things changed even if that change benefits them. Literally the only people not happy with this change are the incursion runners who want marauders to do the job of pirate battleships.

Main differences are play style. The Vargur demands a more fixed position, but that adds to the strategy of where to position yourself to pull enough aggro and be able to hit stuff, or when to reposition to make your guns effective once more. The Machariel on the other hand relies on kitting and constantly moving to survive and manage your triggers.

OOH, ooh, ohohohohohoh!!!!!!

I have an idea!!!!
It's so crazy that CCP actually implemented it on the ships!!!!
I mean, if not for the words, I would never have thought about it!!!

If you're in a mission where rats spawn on top of you... wait... I'm too excited... I need to calm down....






Ok, I'm better..... you can...... MJD!!!!

I KNOW!!!!

Crazy right????

Yes - as I sit here waiting for the end of my time using a Marauder in all mission, I know that I wont use it anywhere. Artillery is terribad and gets nothing from the changes, and 'flying' ships seems to be getting nerfed with the MJDbastion doctrine. I never ran missions for pure speed, just as a time killer in some respects. The vargur flew nicely and killed that time pleasurably - perhaps the only BS doing it with flair ... the speed nerf makes it feel like a Maelstrom .. and this is what they made it!

what it lose ? a little bit in top speed? it is no worst than the old vargur. I rather take the bastion vargur everytime. now all i need is 2 slots to tank + bastion the rest can be for mwd, cap booster, tracking comps.

Btw, i think they ninja in 50 bandwidth so now you can use 2 sentry drones in vargur.

Not so sure about this.
The Paladin and Kronos are totally finished in Incursion VG's.
And the Paladin was always terrible in 3 of the 4 racial mission types, and that has not changed.

The best part is 2 bloggers, one of them a CSM member, are already starting up the campaign to nerf the Marauder or Bastion module, since it is OP, in their opinion.

The CSM member's reasons were classic. One was that the ships are now "risk-free" in high sec.....yup, a ship with about a quarter the EHP of a freighter is always safe. And the other reason, which is the best reason, is because they are OP for alliance tourneys....you know, those contrived fights that affect less than 1% of the player base.