Normal T2 resists would be over-powered under any circumstances, whether you include the Bastion Module or not. These ships would be able to fit entirely mobile buffer tanks on the order of 200-300k EHP without ever touching Bastion and fit neuts in the highs for extra nastiness, never mind the effective tank with logistics support, there are very good reasons no battleship has full T2 resists.

More damage gets them into a DPS race with the soon to be rebalanced Pirate Battleships which seem slated to be very powerful and expensive Attack Battlecruisers.

Not going to dig through 74 pages to find if it was mentioned already.

I dont see why should I prefer Marauder over Carrier for nullsec ratting. Carriers have better tank, more DPS, better projection, dont have to deploy and cost only a tad more. So what's the point?

Immunities are only acknowledgements that the mechanics they're trying to avoid are too powerful in general/special circumstance in the first place and to counter them they in that situation make them useless, which is an even worse idea.

Immunities quite literally are anti-balance solutions, this includes the E-war immunity on the 'Bastion'.
Mechanics always need granularity even when you're supposed to have an advantage, Immunity has none, it is absolute and reduces complexity; Even if some E-war is based strictly on RNG I find those mechanics would still be preferred over outright immunities, although not by much.


My suggestions:

A significant sensor strength increase would be more fitting on the 'Bastion' towards fighting off E-war than the proposed immunity.

A passive 50% reduction to the effectiveness of Neuts/NOS on the Marauder hulls rather than the immunity you proposed.

Imma say +2 lows on the vargur. Mainly because if it is losing it sb bonus it is likely going to need 4 slots to do a proper shield tank well outside of bastion, which means dropping a tc. It would also allow it to roll similar dps on an armor tank, and have a 1 mid slot adv over the mach

Well I'm flying a Golem in a null sec drone region, and you know what? it's awsome running patarol with a torpy golem with 25M isk/tik + 5-15 M salvaging (3 patrol/hour, 1 patrol tik).

Now i'd like a refound for the marauder skill and i want someone (maybe a dev ) to come here and buy my golem (i wont bring it to empire )

Torpy golem is useless everywhere but here, like i said, and here for me a 25M isk/tik is a very effective ship BUT with the upcoming patch the Golem will be nerfed too much as far as

TANKING NERF
it will LOOSE THE 7,5% sb bonus replaced by a flat 30% from bastion (is 7,5% less)
it will have SAME RESIS ( golem now is 0% and 50%,it'll get 0 and 50%, Alvus Queen thanks you)
cap recharge nerf

SALVAGING NERF
Salvage drones or Scout drones that's the question.
Art Thou shalt drop my bandwith, not my drone bay!


ESCAPING SLOWED
-bastion
-neutral come from wh
- un-bastion
- alling

neut: "hello Golem, wanna meet my scramb?)
me: "ofc, sure, do as you please"
neut: "ty, you are very kind"
me: "np, you are welcome"
net: "Can i call some friends?"
me: "Sure, do it, the more we are the better!"



So i've trained a PVE boat, you know, for PVE! Why the hell I've to find myself in a pvp boat??

With the same logic MAKE THE MACHARIEL AN INDY!
all together: "MAKE THE MACHARIEL AN INDY!"


I apologize but with my all lvl 5 skilled TENGU i can reach 17M/tik at best (running horde) and with the upcoming patch my golem won't run patrol like this so it means a loss of 500 M isk month +/-

If only i could trade my golem with a RSI

GOLEM

Role Bonus: 100% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo damage, 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams, 70% reduction in Micro Jump Drive reactivation delay

Caldari Battleship Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo velocity
5% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo explosion velocity per level

Marauders Skill Bonus:
7.5% bonus to Shield Boost amount
10% bonus to effectiveness of target painters per level


Slot layout: 8H(+1), 7M, 4L; 0 turrets, 4 launchers
Fittings: 8500 PWG (+2000), 715 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 8000(-200) / 6100(-1200) / 7000(+300)
Shield resists: 0% EM / 50% EX / 47.5% KIN / 40% THERM
Armor resists: 50% EM / 10% EX / 34.375% KIN / 58.75% THERM
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 6325(+700) / 1150s (+226.1s) / 5.5 cap/s (-0.5)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 85 m/s(-20) / .12 / 114195000(+8995000) / 19s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25(-50) / 50(-25)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 95km(+5km) / 105(+32) / 10
Sensor strength: 14 Gravimetric
Signature radius: 450(-125)

I understand the marauder class ship are losing drone bay but what ccp could do is give it a large drone bit tho you cant lunch say 5 sentry your friend can deploy one for you say in a rattle etc; i feel that this would greatly increase the cooperative play in eve and this doesn't just have to be restricted to marauders class ships.

The Golem could go for an 8th mid as well.
With 2-3 TPs needed, MJD, cap booster, and the rest being tank, we don't have any room for play.

Stop thinking about PvE limitations

Are you crazy?

I traded a golem for a freaking tengu cause it sucked so bad.
I will use the hell out of bastion....

Two rig slots for T2 was explained by CCP that it's because those ships have T2 resists, well marauders don't have them at least at full ;)

Aand yeah that overheating system would be awesome

Apologies for the absence there, (getting the kids down)
The new marauders don't fit into any current sub-cap fleet doctrine and will need a new one, thus bring something interesting to the game.

Harmonizing with the established ones brings nothing new,

while happy to stand corrected, dose bastion fit into any?

Since I still didn't get a answer on it yet, how likely it is to just keep the old marauders ingame and make them a 2. hull type that uses the marauder skills? I don't really care if you actually fix them or not.

- the old marauders are not game breaking or created any kind of issue in the game during her 6 years
- in many scenarios they perform better than the new ones
- in certain scenarios(like RR gang or Incs) bastion, active tanking and mjd provide nothing
- people get her new toy that they can sell again after 3 months when the shiny is gone and other people can still be happy with the marauders they use since years
- more choice to the player and choice is good in my opinion
- a opportunity to actually fix the old marauders in a way where they provide a very good alternative to pirate BS hulls(by improving the RR focus, adding utility and giving them unique features like posted a couple of times so far)

The whole concept is just a bit crappy. IF CCP would have said "We introduce more CPU and Fitting potential and we decided to give em the T2 resists they deserve" everyone would be happy. If they had said "and we fix the poor sensor strength and scan resolution" everyone would be even more excited. And if ccp would argue, that with this buffs the marauder need a nerf i would have understood it. A general reduction of 25m-¦ drone bandwidth to all ships would be a reduction in effective DPS and more then enough to justify the changes.

But no, they had to create a module which makes you stationary, which in itself is a huge drawback. It is the ultimate BS sized defensive module on a ship class tending to be over tanked already.