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Only none of these ships have split weapon bonuses. Also they will be doing pirate BS this winter. Finally they have a very clear plan for long range boats with a very heavy active tank.

Ok - tried the vargur in bastion last night.



... Short range weapons - its pointless fitting bastion - so you are back to square one.

3. Fleet PvP

Good: like a mini dread being immobile could be worth it. Actually it's better than dread because it not only gets active tank bonus but also passive resist bonuses. Just as large fleet dreads ignore their rep bonus in favor of buffer tank so could a marauder.

Bad: the whole point of committing dreads to siege even when ignoring their active rep bonus is the fact that it gets a massive dps boost in siege. Without such bonus committing marauder to a stationary position is pointless. And I canGÇÖt be remotely repped...

How to you want to alpha them if they will be buffer fit? 2 Plates, 2 EANM, 3 dmg mods, 2 trimarks. Pls tell me how u alpha that buffer. I said IF you IGNORE lokal tank...

You keep on ignoring the fact that the vindi can move to keep your enemy in web range where as the kronos cannot move. 90% webs will work well if you can keep them in antimatter range but given that almost every fight happens in null range and that the kronos cannot move and no web you fit to it can reach as far the the blasters can go there is no point at all in fitting them.

You litereally cannot dictate range in the new kronos. Its a long range boat and as such webs have no part to play on it. The best use for webs is for one of your gang mates to be in one of the new EA-Frigs providing web goodness out to something like 80km. For close range you can use someone in a dedicated frig killer or slap on smartbombs or med neuts and use your lights to kill it. Battleship class guns, especially rails are never going to hit these even with a 90% web on a stationary ship. A web bonus would be just another wasted bonus like the tractors in pvp.

You litereally cannot dictate range in the new kronos. Its a long range boat and as such webs have no part to play on it

And how exactly would any other action help me?

If i'm 1 shot alpha'd with iteration 1, i'll be one shot alpha'd with anything else CCP could do to these ships apart from giving them capital EHP.

How is being alpha'd even a consideration?
Nothing will save you from this..



Again, if you can alpha my ship down, then no amount of logistics and buffer tank will save me.

As far as neuts, many of us have mentioned that since these ships can't receive cap, they should be immune to neut.

I suppose you skipped over the part where CCP Ytterbium said these ships will be made viable for pvp and not focused on pve.

Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 85 m/s(-20) / .12 / 114195000(+8995000) / 19s

Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 95km(+5km) / 105(+32) / 10
Sensor strength: 14 Gravimetric

Fast enough to get around without too many issues. The only fleets I rule these out on are frigate fleets.

Even before the Mobility nerfs, Marauders were too slow and their sig was too large to be able to negate much damage at all.

If you can be alpha'd down with iteration 1, you certainly would have been alpha'd down as it is on live, and with iteration 2, and for any other possible changes for that matter.(balanced changes that is)

I take Megathrons on frigate roams and fleets.

So far, what I can see based on the actual testing of those ships, is that the Bastion mode is good, but that the hulls were most likely nerfed a bit too much.

I agree with the drone flexibility - while I don't see them necessarily keep the TQ bandwidth, they can use moar dronebay.

Also considering reverting some of the other hull nerfs, will let you know when we have more details (we aren't going to change their role though). And sorry to say, but version 2 with web bonuses is not coming back, it just didn't fit that well with the role and Bastion mode.

It has more than enough firepower.

What's the range of that tractor/salvage module?

Right, it is another baltec running the goon megathron fleets.
That would explain your continued attempts at trolling.
You really are that disconnected from reality and your belief in others to read.

There's an ignore button?

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Web incoming hyena with ours, pop it at range with the rails, put both webs on the mach.

Again, please show us the mach that can match the tank, resists and extra range of the new kronos.

Yes it is, which is why I want it.

Why do you think these ships should be solo monsters able to ravage everything?

For three years I have flown Megathron hulls but not the kronos due to how bad it is. CCP have turned it into a new and very different ship and having tested it I like it very much. I also greatly enjoy the new Golem and the possibilities it has for dealing with smaller ships. I get Battleships to do new and interesting things and these Battleships are great at their new intended role as well as a few unintended jobs.

I don't restrict my testing to level 4 missions like the people who are dead set against these changes.

They were useless outside of missions (and bad in many of the missions).

We used to rat with blasters in anoms and we didn't use them. Not only were they easy to jam but the Vindi was better. Thats the story of the kronos, whatever job you gave it the vindi would do it better.

It highlights the problem they had though.

CCP Ytterbium

There are other advantages to Marauders - internal play tests have shown us than kitting through the MJD bonus is very effective, as NPC warp scramblers don't stop you from using it. Plus their tank is good enough not to require Logistic support.

Hope that helps, I will post the changes in the original thread .

I'd say application damage is probably 25-33% better, at a minimum.

What's the point, really. There's been almost zero interaction from the devs and almost 6,000 odd posts later we're back at a slightly modified version of the first iteration. This has been the case for almost every rebalancing effort, ie: what you first see is more or less what you're going to end up with.

Which I'm fine with. But let's dispense with the guise that this actually provides an opportunity to have any kind of real input or interaction with CCP devs. This is a basically an announcement forum for changes that are more or less already carved in stone, with the "features and ideas" aspect basically here for us to entertain ourselves with.

This isn't our game - we're merely tourists.