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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.01.04 11:23:00 -
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... well they are not there any more I remember I used to do alot of mining there, even still have my bookmarks there.
Today we followed a few macrominers (might as well be isk farmers who really knows)...
Before I had to get at work, we managed to take down 2 retrievers, 1 frig and 1 apoc ... (the two retrievers where taken in a different system).
Still it was a sad, sad day to see the belts in Ashab destroyed... top 3 belts that I went to visit... where no more.
The really sad part is, that this is not in Ashab only... ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor. |
Brutor Shaun
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Posted - 2006.01.04 11:28:00 -
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It's the same over in Teonusude. I used to mine there quite happily, but yesterday all the regulars were up in the ice belt 'cos the roid fields have been pretty much stripped.
Dunno if it's just macrominers tho. There are alot of new players now.
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Kaliesin
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Posted - 2006.01.04 11:30:00 -
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That and the fact they didn't respawn yesterday for some reason, meant it was not a good day to look at mining.
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CaptainSeafort
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Posted - 2006.01.04 13:07:00 -
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same today...i smell a low-sec-forcing-ccpish plot =/
"Planets and moons no longer hitch rides on player ships. Their towel privileges have been revoked." HHGG Lives on in EVE! |
Aaronus
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Posted - 2006.01.04 13:40:00 -
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Trust me it isn't new players in thier frigates, it is the macroers and the game is slowly deteriorating because of it whether the players or CCP wants to acknowledge it. They just keep mining and mining and mining.
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Clytamnestra
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Posted - 2006.01.04 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Aaronus Trust me <snip>
Wait, why? You're not backing up your argument with any facts, just paranoia.
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CaptainSeafort
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Posted - 2006.01.04 13:59:00 -
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Case Study: Aurcel, Sinq Laison, Gallente Security Status: 0.5 Normal Local Population: 2-7 Recent Local Population: 18-23 # Macroers of Recent Population: 17-22
Aurcel has gone from being a true haven for builders, with readily available supplies of omber, plagio, scord and veld....but then a few months back, the roids started spawning badly. Since then, its gone downhill with MacroMiners moving in (if you dont believe me, I'll send you the screeny I sent ccp...). The past two days, there has been no omber in aurcel, even a mere 2 minutes after the cluster started up - so theres now the lack of any minerals whatsoever to contend with also. I personally find it hard to believe that macroers devoured 5 entire belts, and and basically removed all apart from the dust from another 9 belts, but they do contribute.
CCP! Fix the problem!
"Planets and moons no longer hitch rides on player ships. Their towel privileges have been revoked." HHGG Lives on in EVE! |
Drilla
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Posted - 2006.01.04 14:09:00 -
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It's a good thing if it makes macroing hard.
If you want plenty of ore - go to 0.0
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Jaketh Ivanes
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Posted - 2006.01.04 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Aaronus Trust me it isn't new players in thier frigates, it is the macroers and the game is slowly deteriorating because of it whether the players or CCP wants to acknowledge it. They just keep mining and mining and mining.
Perhaps its a good thing for a while? If the macro miners can't mine in relative safty, they can't make money. Then they leave.
Ofcourse, it will mean no mining for all use poor empire carebears. So, lets endure and kill the ebil macrominers once and for all (for a while )
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.01.04 14:59:00 -
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atleast 11 macro/isk farmers in Ashab... so now I am logging off the game, it is just not fun playing this anylonger, I came online after work... seeing this in the belts and I mean the belts are ... stripped made me sad.
CCP .. get your fingers out, you might loose customers over this soon. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor. |
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Shut up
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Posted - 2006.01.04 15:20:00 -
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I checked every belt in Niyabainen and tunttarus(sp?) yesturday and every belt was obliterated. A couple still had a handful of small roids in them. I got disgusted and logged off.
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Adam C
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Posted - 2006.01.04 15:27:00 -
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a poped rock is a good rock
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Barack
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Posted - 2006.01.04 16:25:00 -
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Just a bit concerened about all this macro miner talk here...
I just came back to check things out, christmas day I resubbed I believe it was.
Back when I played a great deal I ran two accounts, my main I finally setup with a Apoc and Miner II's, my second account I created a character and trained up to a Iteron V as a hauler for my main.
Yes my main character is named "Barack", dummy me back then created my second account hauler and named him "Barrak". Very close names, wish I could change it some how .
With my Apoc/Miner II's and the Interon V hauling I could very easly strip belts in a few hrs, in fact I did this often back then. I used to jet a can from the Apoc and start dumping ore into it with the can window open and 1 ore set to the side to keep the window open, while the Iteron V would open the jet can, keep the window open and take all ore out but the 1 piece of ore.
Concerend about the new can flagging rules, I see this might seem like it would work well, if I saw some one coming up to my jet can I would just take the last piece of ore out, the can would explode and I would simply wait untol ore thief/flagger would leave, say hi etc. I am friendly and chatting at times.
Yes I sit on my comp the whole time I do this and watch TV.
I have not activated my second account yet... worried about haveing two characters with close names strip mining and over excited macro hunters. Yes I could fire up the second account and retrain a new character but that would take a lot of time.
I do not support macro miners in any way, but I actually do not care much about it. But everyone seems a bit jumpy about all this and shoot first ask questions later mentality, when in fact no one really knows what is going on behind a character ingame. No one owns any roid field in this game and can do what ever they like, in fact I am willing to bet that most fields ingame never get touched besides the close in ones were people complain about stripping. If the space I am in gets depleted I just move on.
Not sure if I want to resub my second accout at this moment.
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Scetrov
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Posted - 2006.01.04 16:32:00 -
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I don't know about other macro hunters, but personaly I use the following procedure when I find somone suspect:
1) Talk to them in Local 2) Convo Them 3) Bump them 4) Petition them 5) Steal their Ore / Swap their can with yourown
I generaly wait at least 3 minutes between each one, incase someone has just popped out to the loo. So unless you are macromining you have a fairly good chance that you will spot me talking or bumping you.
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Jowen Datloran
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Posted - 2006.01.04 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 04/01/2006 16:48:16
Originally by: Barack Just a bit concerened about all this macro miner talk here...
I just came back to check things out, christmas day I resubbed I believe it was.
Back when I played a great deal I ran two accounts, my main I finally setup with a Apoc and Miner II's, my second account I created a character and trained up to a Iteron V as a hauler for my main.
Yes my main character is named "Barack", dummy me back then created my second account hauler and named him "Barrak". Very close names, wish I could change it some how .
With my Apoc/Miner II's and the Interon V hauling I could very easly strip belts in a few hrs, in fact I did this often back then. I used to jet a can from the Apoc and start dumping ore into it with the can window open and 1 ore set to the side to keep the window open, while the Iteron V would open the jet can, keep the window open and take all ore out but the 1 piece of ore.
Concerend about the new can flagging rules, I see this might seem like it would work well, if I saw some one coming up to my jet can I would just take the last piece of ore out, the can would explode and I would simply wait untol ore thief/flagger would leave, say hi etc. I am friendly and chatting at times.
Yes I sit on my comp the whole time I do this and watch TV.
I have not activated my second account yet... worried about haveing two characters with close names strip mining and over excited macro hunters. Yes I could fire up the second account and retrain a new character but that would take a lot of time.
I do not support macro miners in any way, but I actually do not care much about it. But everyone seems a bit jumpy about all this and shoot first ask questions later mentality, when in fact no one really knows what is going on behind a character ingame. No one owns any roid field in this game and can do what ever they like, in fact I am willing to bet that most fields ingame never get touched besides the close in ones were people complain about stripping. If the space I am in gets depleted I just move on.
Not sure if I want to resub my second accout at this moment.
That my be some pretty dry belts already if you can "quickly" mine them out on your own with that setup
You behavior will clearly show that you're no farmer*. I spotted one and could easily see that were something wrong the moment 3 low level rats appeared in the belt (system sec 0.6). None of the 4 Retrivers and the Hoarder paid any attention and soon some of them were taking a good deal of damage. Then suddenly they all warped out and a 6'th guy in a small frigate was sendt to deal with the rats, which he did incredible poorly, like attacking from far out of range.
Now if this had been any regular players I would bet that at least one of those Retriver would had launched drones against the rats. Please tell me you would too.
*: I put farmers and macro miners under the same term though the latter is a bannable offence while the former aren't. The end result for the game is the same though.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.01.04 17:05:00 -
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all this talk of leaving make weirda sad... why?
well... understand what it is that make you upset obviously, but staying for a long time have seen a few things... especially with friends getting bored/upset/leaving. and see some of the same type of thing here too...
people that do/enjoy only one aspect of eve are much more prone to stress if anything rocks their boat (it is true in RL too). in this case the mining (prices/etc) is screwing up the ONE thing that some ppl enjoy... so they get disgusted... so they leave...
have seen NPCers get so upset from pirates coming in and giving them a challenge... that is not the way they saw it... felt like the ONE thing they enjoyed was screwed up and left...
for ppl that are just 'logging in and getting disgusted' - for yourself... please try something different for a bit. yes things are getting worse... or at least the visibility of the problem have increased 100fold... hopefully this will be sorted. try missions, try low sec... try something/anything else for a bit. you may enjoy it.
for ppl who think ccp don't care... get a grip... they obviously do and are trying very hard. hopefully they will find a good way to bust up some of these 'rings' soon (it is not 100s of individuals... likely just 1-2 big companies... much more important for them to do their homework and get them all then busting each infraction...) __ Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More!
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Ravenal
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Posted - 2006.01.04 17:16:00 -
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its em empire factions hogging the belts cause they are building huge armies now...
. -Fate is what you make of it. -Make your own fate using T2 items produced by The Fated
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Vance Black
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Posted - 2006.01.04 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Vance Black on 04/01/2006 17:25:15 Wierd Twisted Conspiracy theory no 12345422: Maybe CCP is deliberately not respawning the belts to drive the farmers/Macro'ers into Low Sec
OK, Joke over, its a problem that needs to be fixed, but lets give CCP some time, they must be busy fixing RMR, good luck to them, lets give them our support and hope they get these fixes out soon. ---------------------------------
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Barack
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Posted - 2006.01.04 17:26:00 -
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Yeah they might have been rather dry roids as I operated mostly in close in systems, but I could clear entire belts in one evening, still stripping I guess... oh well no bother. It does get rather boring and I do lose track of time :)
I kept my Apoc armed so rats were never a bother to be. Looking at my old setup I had 5 Miner II's, 1 light, 1 medium laser for defence, plus harvesters which I stopped using as it was just to much of a bother with rats going after them first and all.
Still trying to decided what I want to do in Eve after coming back, currently training up for a Retribution and will most likely fart around with that for a bit until things sort.
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2006.01.04 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Barack Just a bit concerened about all this macro miner talk here...I have not activated my second account yet... worried about haveing two characters with close names strip mining and over excited macro hunters. Yes I could fire up the second account and retrain a new character but that would take a lot of time.
You have an extensive employment history, which means anti-macro vigilantes will not be troubling you.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.01.04 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Weirda all this talk of leaving make weirda sad... why?
well... understand what it is that make you upset obviously, but staying for a long time have seen a few things... especially with friends getting bored/upset/leaving. and see some of the same type of thing here too...
people that do/enjoy only one aspect of eve are much more prone to stress if anything rocks their boat (it is true in RL too). in this case the mining (prices/etc) is screwing up the ONE thing that some ppl enjoy... so they get disgusted... so they leave...
have seen NPCers get so upset from pirates coming in and giving them a challenge... that is not the way they saw it... felt like the ONE thing they enjoyed was screwed up and left...
for ppl that are just 'logging in and getting disgusted' - for yourself... please try something different for a bit. yes things are getting worse... or at least the visibility of the problem have increased 100fold... hopefully this will be sorted. try missions, try low sec... try something/anything else for a bit. you may enjoy it.
for ppl who think ccp don't care... get a grip... they obviously do and are trying very hard. hopefully they will find a good way to bust up some of these 'rings' soon (it is not 100s of individuals... likely just 1-2 big companies... much more important for them to do their homework and get them all then busting each infraction...)
Well yeah I have seen people come and go (some corp and real life friends left me alone for a while here and went to play WoW), most of the guys in my corp is guys I have recruited to EVE by talking warmly about it and those are dedicated eve players too.
I don't do that anylonger because I don't feel that EVE as it is now deserves it, to me it seems that as long as those who use Macros or sweatshop players are paying the bill (monthly subscription) then CCP is okey by it, and when we send in petitions they collect and see who is trial or not it seems like.
In my corp we do fight macro/isk farmers with the ingame tool we have got but it require alot of work and I am quite honestly not fund in "Ganking" at all, I do like a good fight but that is one vs one fights where someone actually fights back!!!
This morning me and 2 corpfriends took down (by trickery) 1 apoc, 2 retrievers and 1 frig (all macro/isk farmers)... then I had to go for work and my 2 corpmates went on to try and kill.
Problem here is... this does not help my eve game, I don't get any fun out of this at all, if I choose not to I see empty belts around me. I got new players in my corp that rely on mining as income... we take them into low sec for mining but I can't be online 23/7 for protection even.
We even went into 0.0 (where we met some cool people btw) to do NPC rathunting... we did make some isk from it but still.
When I log on and find a system filled with macro/isk farmers and usually guys I have seen online and petitioned months in advance !!! several times then I get angry at CCP for not protecting the game or atleast give us more ways to help protecting this game from this menace.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2006.01.04 18:56:00 -
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They have definately spread to the less known areas now. I've seen them in Hilmar and Kasi (Kasi used to be completely deserted). I went through Ashab last night and also noticed that the belts had to all intents and purposes, just dissapeared .
However, it does also seem there is some kind of roid respawn issue, as others have noted their carefully nurtured roids not re-appearing after pop, points to something going ****-up on the server at downtime.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.01.04 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: babyblue
They have definately spread to the less known areas now. I've seen them in Hilmar and Kasi (Kasi used to be completely deserted). I went through Ashab last night and also noticed that the belts had to all intents and purposes, just dissapeared .
However, it does also seem there is some kind of roid respawn issue, as others have noted their carefully nurtured roids not re-appearing after pop, points to something going ****-up on the server at downtime.
I remember "back in the days" there was a server issue where asteroids did not respawn normally for like weeks... especially we who did mine Omber back then did notice that it became more and more scarse, it could be some of the same problems as back then.
At the time I remember as we where 5 people who was trying to get our first battleships and we needed Isogen, both for selling and building.
Then isogen was at 69 isk each unit... ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor. |
El'jonson
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Posted - 2006.01.04 19:30:00 -
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Since Sunday i've checked belts from caldari space all the way down to khanid region and as far as i can tell none of them are respawning
If ccp are trying to stave the macroers to death then fair play they are assing the game up completely, however as someone who mines for production this is begining to have a serious affect on me to now
I notice none of the devs have comemted on any of the 'missing roids' posts. As for forcing the macroers into lower sec I dought even they are dumb enough to try that, as I am sure there are alot of ppl willing to give them what they deserve (me included).
However perhaps ccp are doning this in the hope that they will beable 2 tell which are the macroers because when all the good roids are gone they won't be logging on ?
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.01.04 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: El'jonson Since Sunday i've checked belts from caldari space all the way down to khanid region and as far as i can tell none of them are respawning
If ccp are trying to stave the macroers to death then fair play they are assing the game up completely, however as someone who mines for production this is begining to have a serious affect on me to now
I notice none of the devs have comemted on any of the 'missing roids' posts. As for forcing the macroers into lower sec I dought even they are dumb enough to try that, as I am sure there are alot of ppl willing to give them what they deserve (me included).
However perhaps ccp are doning this in the hope that they will beable 2 tell which are the macroers because when all the good roids are gone they won't be logging on ?
I am sure that the respawning issue is not an attempt from CCP to starve out the macrominers, it is mostly something to do with the program or something.... Will be fixed I am sure of.
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Aaronus
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Posted - 2006.01.04 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Clytamnestra
Originally by: Aaronus Trust me <snip>
Wait, why? You're not backing up your argument with any facts, just paranoia.
Actually here is the facts
Truth
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Darkdashing
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Posted - 2006.01.04 20:46:00 -
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I wanted to start mining recently in high sec, but to no avail--I couldn't find a large asteroid in any .8 system I looked at
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Brolly
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Posted - 2006.01.04 20:53:00 -
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What I think is odd is the increasing numbers of macro'ers since exodus. I belive CCP are in cahoots with the ebil macro'ers to drive people into low sec space, it's just sooooo obvious, especially since ccp are doing very little about the growing problem.
*this is all pulled out of my arse of course
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Aaronus
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Posted - 2006.01.04 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Brolly What I think is odd is the increasing numbers of macro'ers since exodus. I belive CCP are in cahoots with the ebil macro'ers to drive people into low sec space, it's just sooooo obvious, especially since ccp are doing very little about the growing problem.
*this is all pulled out of my arse of course
Not a bad theory really. I have thought it was a bit wierd that as isk farmers has been on the rise especially since they announced they were working on a China server. It has crossed my mind alot and I would not put it past any company out there.
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2006.01.04 21:13:00 -
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Well they are respaning checked this morning and entire belts in my system respawned.
I did notice however that they were not full size rocks most were in the range of 3-4k. I think chronic over mining can slow down the respawn rate can't it?
Anyrate with respawn size that small I dont think it would take very long to clear a belt out with a pair of apocs going at it.
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