This won't take off...not on a large scale anyway. I'm sure some groups will try, but even with better range they still won't out-dps a pirate fleet.

There's also the issue of getting enough people who can fly marauders.

Still trying to figure out if a Mini Dread can stay alive with only local reps for 80 seconds, under a full room of aggro.

There's also the issue of getting enough people who can fly marauders.

The changes make all of them more or less useless for Incs(to slow for HQ in contests, can't be RRed while in bastion mode, no web bonuses for VGs any more). I don't think throwing away 4-5 slots on every hull for active tanking will improve site times, compared to using them for painters, sensor boosters and webs and use 1-2 logis that can add another 5-10 tracking links to the gang.

With the possible 8k+ DPS tank that you can reach on the Vargur or Golem, will it be possible to solo incursion sites?

No, still going to need another ship to counter the ECM, and the sites don't pay for solo. Not to mention the fact that a 1800dps Vindi takes a few minutes to kill one ship, so a spawn of 10 ships X 3 spawns ??? you get the idea.

No, still going to need another ship to counter the ECM, and the sites don't pay for solo. Not to mention the fact that a 1800dps Vindi takes a few minutes to kill one ship, so a spawn of 10 ships X 3 spawns ??? you get the idea.

What I see is a vanguard fleet that runs 24/7 full of marauders, where it doesn't matter how many people are in the fleet, you can just jump in and out with an open fleet advert. No drama :)

Bastion gives complete ECM immunity.

I haven't tried it in quite awhile but ECCM witch was supposed to counter ECM failed to protect against incursion rats, hopefully the Marauder will not have this problem. But still won't get paid unless you have 7 friends wanting to 'Solo' the site as well.

I haven't tried it in quite awhile but ECCM witch was supposed to counter ECM failed to protect against incursion rats, hopefully the Marauder will not have this problem. But still won't get paid unless you have 7 friends wanting to 'Solo' the site as well.

I haven't tried it in quite awhile but ECCM witch was supposed to counter ECM failed to protect against incursion rats, hopefully the Marauder will not have this problem. But still won't get paid unless you have 7 friends wanting to 'Solo' the site as well.

IsBoxers farming heavens welcome to eve online!

We missed you badly...

ALL HAIL TO THE VARGUR KINGS!!!


The secret pony-brigade is now recruiting all mini-dread (marauder) pilots for mini-dread vanguards!

I would bring a couple Marauder Pilots in on something like this...

But not for someone named "The Secret Pony-Brigade"

Why would I ever do that... EVER

I don't see these mini dreads boding well for incursions.... is there a way in hell for them to tank an Assault or HQ Alpha w/o remote reps? lol imagine the TPPH's & MJDing then having to fly 25k after a MJD jump after the 1 minute cooldown from siege.

If they could tank an VG alpha (which I doubt) w/o logi then they'll be OP there and not need any logi. So either we'll see the return of the old legion-like fleet doctorine ( but this time all Mauders & no logi ) or a complete abandonment of them.

In a word UNBALANCED

At the very least it will make destroying the tower in the TPPH site go rather fast.

BASTION MODULE

GÇóProvides 30% shield, armor and hull resistances when activated, which function on the same way than Damage Control modules (not stacking penalized)

So with a DC II you got 90% across the board resists.... x up for HULL fleet

So with a DC II you got 90% across the board resists.... x up for HULL fleet

It will be 73% hull resist not 90%.
It will give 30% resist to the remaining 40% resist after DC2 is applied. Its not Stacking penalized but it does have to follow the normal resist profile of each mod affecting Resist's

im curious if trading 3 logi for 3 more dps ships will balance that out?

3 logi? O.O

havent been in one in a while, but thats the number i remember

depends on the fleet

Hobo fleet - 3 logi
Good fleet - 2 logi
Brave fleet 0-1 logi (remote reps in high on nightmares and marauders ect. (logi drones)

A lot of armor pilots can fly them(I got multiple marauder 5 pilots and fly my Paladin nearly every day), because Kronos and Paladin actually are pretty good ships for Incs atm.

The changes make all of them more or less useless for Incs(to slow for HQ in contests, can't be RRed while in bastion mode, no web bonuses for VGs any more). I don't think throwing away 4-5 slots on every hull for active tanking will improve site times, compared to using them for painters, sensor boosters and webs and use 1-2 logis that can add another 5-10 tracking links to the gang.

still curious if its possible to remove logi and switch for a dps ship. would that be a worthwhile sacrifice?

Still trying to figure out if a Mini Dread can stay alive with only local reps for 80 seconds, under a full room of aggro.

They can in VGs, I ran the numbers in EFT.

Currently they will be given T2 resists, so when you place Deadspace Invuln and a DC2 on a sleipner (only for resist profile). I then threw on an X-Large deadspace shield booster, with 0 skill (So the shield boost amp skill bonus doesn't get applied). From what I remember it can burst 1700 omni DPS. Since Bastion mode doubles this, that puts it up to a 3400 DPS tank.

From there if you throw the booster onto a Marauder hull, the cap on a Vargur will last about 1:30, with a deadspace invuln and the booster running.

Considering that a standard tanked pirate battleship with 8 boosted logi reps has a tank of about 2400. Then you consider that most of the time logis will use no more then 5 reps on someone, their cap should last even longer.

For logis you could run Guardians/Basilisks with a 3-3 setup so as soon as they come out of Bastion mode they can service cap to everyone quickly.

This can be managed with everyone broadcasting in position when they enter Bastion mode, and when they exit they can broadcast for cap, if they need to be serviced, and broadcast for shield if they will be relying on the logis to tank for them (For example at the end of a site so they are not waiting for Bastion to end after the site is cleared).

I think the big thing is going to be birth of the Rattlesnake anchor/tank as a staple in VG's instead of just a some times thing.

You will need that one good tank pulling as much aggro as you can with ecm/nos if you want those siege mode range monsters not to just be over whelmed in the 1 min they can't be repaired.

You'll also see more completion fleets v.s. competition fleets. So expect to see more webs and target painters from the ships that do stay up on the NPC's.

I think you might see up to 3 marauder's per VG and up to 5 in assaults. HQ's will be interesting though.

With room for 3 nosferatus in utility highs, they should be able to be cap stable long enough to run their reps for a whole VG site, especially when there are 11 marauders on field taking out the highest dps targets first, so that reps wont have to be run full-time.

Oh yes, and forgot to mention with a proper deadspace X-L shield booster and a good tank, a single Vargur or Golem can tank the first wave of a Vanguard Incursion by itself. Sure, damage isn't that good when you do (you can't use cap booster, go through charges too fast, thus have to go for cap stable ), but the fact remains it's still possible. Even discussing that very fact with other designers as it most likely is far too OP for PvE.