Ikvar
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Posted - 2006.01.09 21:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Eucarid
First of all plated Catalyst outdoes unplated Enyo armor hp wise, so you're wrong there.
So if you equip them the same, the Catalyst is plated and the Enyo is not?  
I wasn't talking about same setups there. If you were then I misready you.
Originally by: Eucarid
Anyway, you are absolutly right that Eve is a game where anything can happen and paper stats don't really prove anything conclusively. The point you are missing over and over and over is that for any given situation, if you replace the destroyer with the equivalent AF you will be better off. Why does that surprise you? The AF is a tech 2 ship, it costs a ton more, and the skill requirements are much higher.
I'm not actually missing your point there, I understand why you're saying that and to be honest, to a point you're probably right. I can still think of situations where I personally would rather take a destroyer though.
Originally by: Eucarid
I'm sure you are a highly skilled pilot, and that you have scored many kills using your destroyer. That proves -- guess what -- that you are a highly skilled pilot. It doesn't prove that a destroyer is better. The rest of your points are so highly flawed logically (even more than the plated Catalyst vs. unplated Enyo) that I can't bear the attempt to discuss them so I'll stop here.
You have a point here. My original post wasn't stating that Destroyers are better than AFs or anything like that. I was merely responding to the people who were stating that you could NEVER best an AF with a destroyer which, as we both know is rubbish. Yes, my experience destroying AFs with Destroyers is down to personal skill, but then in any small engagement isn't that the only thing that makes a ship good?
Originally by: Eucarid
The rest of your points are so highly flawed logically (even more than the plated Catalyst vs. unplated Enyo) that I can't bear the attempt to discuss them so I'll stop here.
ORLY? So the plated inty comaparison is totally without merit eh? Go you 
Originally by: Eucarid
I will retract my statement that an AF is always better. I made that statement when I also stated that the dps was always better, and I was wrong about that (but it took someone else to point that out). I agree with your statement that an AF is better most of the time.
Good, we're in agreeance then. I think you'll find it was me pointing out the flaw in your DPS argument actually.
Originally by: Eucarid
This argument has also helped me better understand the virtues of the destroyers, and if/when I make it back out to 0.0 I will encourage my buddies to use them more. Sometimes cheap and disposable is more important than other criteria.
Don't forget fun either
Originally by: Eucarid
Here is a quote you might enjoy. I wish I knew who was the author. "When your favorite tool is a hammer, all problems start to look like nails."
Very apt When it comes down to it though, we both have our opinion, you don't want to accept mine, I don't want to accept yours so I guess the outcome in the end was pretty good. Let's just end by saying both ships have their merits but in general you're better off with an AF.
Oh and thanks for the debate. DAMN I love arguing 
Originally by: Avon
I actually enjoy crafting in EQ2.
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