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Aristedes
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Posted - 2006.01.04 15:59:00 -
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I have been arguing with the people of my noob corp about this for half an hour, please help me give a definitive answer and also a reason 
would a destroyer in an every day circumstance be able to comprehensively destroy an assault frig?
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M00dy
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Posted - 2006.01.04 16:00:00 -
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No.
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Hectaire Glade
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Posted - 2006.01.04 16:02:00 -
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No, the destroyer is unlikely to have the damage output to kill a thoughtfully equiped AF which will have a modicum of tanking capability and enough damage to take apart your average destroyer which has little tanking capability.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2006.01.04 16:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Aristedes
I have been arguing with the people of my noob corp about this for half an hour, please help me give a definitive answer and also a reason
would a destroyer in an every day circumstance be able to comprehensively destroy an assault frig?
No. While it's possible for a destroyer to win against an AF, in general an AF will shred a destroyer. The AF will tank the damage and rip the opponent apart.
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Fenix Rebirth
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Posted - 2006.01.04 16:12:00 -
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Agreed I drive Gallante and Minny Assault Frigs and have yet to be troubled by a destroyer of any race, they should handle your Garden Variety Tech 1 frig. They will also have trouble with Inties also.
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2006.01.04 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Fenix Rebirth
Agreed I drive Gallante and Minny Assault Frigs and have yet to be troubled by a destroyer of any race, they should handle your Garden Variety Tech 1 frig. They will also have trouble with Inties also.[/quote
cormorant can take out AF
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Vaux
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Posted - 2006.01.04 16:46:00 -
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A destoyer will win only if the AF pilot is a total moron, or happens to be in a situation where he is not equipped properly for some reason.
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Filan
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Posted - 2006.01.04 16:53:00 -
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id love for them to put in "Assault Destroyers" not the interdictors but something that is truely ment to counter instercepters and AFs and serve as a point defense for fleets. basicly a true T2 destroyer.
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Montero
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Posted - 2006.01.04 17:00:00 -
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a destroyer gave my interceptor a good fight once...
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.01.04 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
Edited by: Kyle Caldrel on 04/01/2006 16:53:26
cormorant can take out AF
You sir need to stop posting silly commments
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2006.01.04 17:01:00 -
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The interdictors now can already pwn inties. 4-5 rocket launchers with thorns and some 75mm rails/electrons or something and an mwd and webby = dead inty.
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Estan Drake
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Posted - 2006.01.04 17:17:00 -
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A destroyer could take out an inty or an AF....
Provided the Destroyer pilot is more skilled.
Then again, most people don't train enough into destroyers. Thrasher could put a hurting on a Harpy or an ishkur in the right situation. Their kinetic/thermal resists wont do alot against 7X 200mm ACs firing EM/Explosive rounds every 1.5 seconds
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.01.04 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Estan Drake
A destroyer could take out an inty or an AF....
Provided the Destroyer pilot is more skilled.
Then again, most people don't train enough into destroyers. Thrasher could put a hurting on a Harpy or an ishkur in the right situation. Their kinetic/thermal resists wont do alot against 7X 200mm ACs firing EM/Explosive rounds every 1.5 seconds
you havnt taken into account the rof penalty and the fact that 90% AF's are setup to tank
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Macro Media
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Posted - 2006.01.04 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: Macro Media on 04/01/2006 17:25:27
Against equal skill, a Ammar destroyer with a plate can take out any af that does not have hardners. Any AF with hardners will win against any destroyer. 8 turrets are a hell of a lot. However, in real life, the only things destroyers are good for are High Sec Piracy, for which they can even take out mining apocs, or for omgwtfbbq on inty's.
EDIT : Oh and they are good for taking out frigs.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.01.04 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Macro Media
Edited by: Macro Media on 04/01/2006 17:25:27
Against equal skill, a Ammar destroyer with a plate can take out any af that does not have hardners. Any AF with hardners will win against any destroyer. 8 turrets are a hell of a lot. However, in real life, the only things destroyers are good for are High Sec Piracy, for which they can even take out mining apocs, or for omgwtfbbq on inty's.
EDIT : Oh and they are good for taking out frigs.
will be happy to fight you in wolf or jag... no hardeners... promise... 
just about any ship can take out another. especially when you exclude the way that most ship of a particluar class are setup.
your point is taken though.
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Har Ganeth
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Posted - 2006.01.04 18:07:00 -
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A retribution would tear any destroyer a new one.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.04 18:07:00 -
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a destroyer *could* kill an AF.
but i severely doubt it - my ISK is on the AF
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.01.04 18:10:00 -
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a t2 fitted destroyer with a good pilot could givfe msot af a run for their money
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Tophereon
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Posted - 2006.01.04 18:20:00 -
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In a make believe game maybe!!!
But in eVe..... no..
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2006.01.04 18:31:00 -
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When destroyers first came out, a friend wanted to test his brand new minmatar Thrasher against my Enyo. He was doing mainly EM+Explosive damage, while my highest resists were in kinetic + Thermal. The fight stopped maybe 6-7 seconds after it's start, when I began to hit his structure. I still had a bit of shield...
I think that say enough about the chances of a destroyer to beat any decent AF player...
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.01.04 18:43:00 -
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it is possible, but any af worth pilot worth their ship will kill a destroyer easy
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Fenix Rebirth
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Posted - 2006.01.04 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Estan Drake
Thrasher could put a hurting on a Harpy or an ishkur in the right situation.
Sorry mate.... I have dropped at least 8 Thrashers in my Iskur over the last few months.... pretty damn quickly! without the drones out and just plain old Tech 2 Neut Cannons The Harpy would rip the Thrasher apart even quicker.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.01.04 18:54:00 -
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in general... AF > destroyer.
But in frig world we have seen many things... and we will see more things to come.
In general i attack most AF in inty and i'm quite successful at that. Taranis vs enyo or ishkur is not really i-win, but taranis vs wolf/jag/vengeance is usually no brainer i-win. Wheter it is their aliiance, poor setups or something else, i haven't figured out yet.
Same goes for amarr intys and caldari/gallente/amarr afs.
I think that with good setup(t2 guns,plate, dmg mods...) you can make AF cry. But generally destroyer pilots <<< AF pilots skillwise, so ...
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.01.04 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: jbob2000
The interdictors now can already pwn inties. 4-5 rocket launchers with thorns and some 75mm rails/electrons or something and an mwd and webby = dead inty.
I'm not THAT sure about it.
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R3 1D
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Posted - 2006.01.04 19:35:00 -
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AF is generally better than a Destroyer but fights can go either way depending on the AF and Destroyer in question
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.04 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 04/01/2006 20:43:25
Originally by: Aristedes
I have been arguing with the people of my noob corp about this for half an hour, please help me give a definitive answer and also a reason
would a destroyer in an every day circumstance be able to comprehensively destroy an assault frig?
An assault frig will utterly stomp a destroyer into nothing.
I don't know of anyone whose ever done 250+dmg wrecking shots from 20km in a comorant. I do know of it being done in an AF though. 
edit: Now add a true anti-frig destroyer, a Caldari Assault Destroyer with AF/HAC resists, and 8 missile slots, and some missile range/dmg bonuses, and you've got an AF spanker. Would be pretty rough for a harpy to tank a salvo of EM misiles followed by a few explosive.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.04 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
Edited by: Kyle Caldrel on 04/01/2006 16:53:26
cormorant can take out AF
..with EW, sure
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2006.01.04 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: jbob2000
The interdictors now can already pwn inties. 4-5 rocket launchers with thorns and some 75mm rails/electrons or something and an mwd and webby = dead inty.
You forgot to consider their mass. 1 interdictor with close range weapons against long-range inty = Dead interdictor.
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Halunoto Vankaalen
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Posted - 2006.01.04 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: Halunoto Vankaalen on 04/01/2006 22:29:03
Destroyer with good pilot + webber = dead inty
Don't know about AF though, could be pushing your luck.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.04 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
Edited by: Halunoto Vankaalen on 04/01/2006 22:29:03
Destroyer with good pilot + webber = dead inty
Don't know about AF though, could be pushing your luck.
AFs can tank the damage long enough to break through the pitiful defences on destroyers
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