Another traitor in the Federal Navy, perhaps ?

Maybe an ethnically Minmatar Fed Navy officer sent it to Shakor ?

Oh well, drama time.

Nicely played. Freelancing for Muck Raker, perhaps?

not enough "Disturbing!" and "Alarming!" and "Mysterious!"

Time for the Black Eagles to step in and ruin the lives of thousands of people while still failing to catch the perpetrator.

I often debate with myself on the nature of the Black Eagles. I feel like without the Black Eagles we would lose our freedoms to the enemy at the gates, but with them we would lose our freedom to... ourselves.

You care too much about such criminal and evil concept as freedom.
This is why the Federation must be destroyed.

Says Diana Kim, using her right to freedom of speech.

Oh... my sides.
Too. Much. Irony.

criminal and evil concept as freedom.

No one made.....a copy?

You care too much about such criminal and evil concept as freedom.
This is why the Federation must be destroyed.

No one made.....a copy?

*sweatdrops* Well, this can't be good... in my experience, when something like this happens, it usually means that the Federal Intelligence Office along with the Black Eagles are going to not be happy and, unfortunately, most likely end up with innocents dead. As a former Black Eagle, whoever was stupid enough to steal such sensitive documents better hope I don't find them, otherwise they are in for a lot of hurt...

It's not uncommon for particularly sensitive information to exist solely on isolated hardware requiring connection to a specialised reader on an encrypted, austistic mode, platform. These platforms generally require additional biometric authorisation and passcodes to activate and the information media itself may require ADDITIONAL security steps.

Does anyone else find it somewhat amusing how many former black eagles have been popping up in recent months?

It is curious, if not skeptical, considering that's something I'd imagine most people would want to keep to themselves.


Anyways, Tuulinen, I must ask; why the sudden change in your public portrait to one well below your chin? I find myself oddly itchy as if I feel prickles on my eyes while I look at your stubble...I hope you're not impying your greater than other people by looking over their heads simply because you can scratch their face!

Please mind my humor-the last time I made a joke a thread got deleted...

-Eran

I hope you're refering to your wife...

-Eran

You care too much about such criminal and evil concept as freedom.
This is why the Federation must be destroyed.

I... What the?

From the angle of that shot I think I know who it was. Someone I had to carry home last night and who has access to my data accounts...

It is curious, if not skeptical, considering that's something I'd imagine most people would want to keep to themselves.

There are many nation who would like to see these missing documents. Let us hope that it is a whistleblower who has these documents, and will leak it out for all to see.

Why the drama? You and I both know it'll run along the lines of "Mission Accomplished - but WAY more expensive than we hoped.

Plus we almost killed a planet because we couldn't control our raging erections."

I hope you're refering to your wife...

-Eran

Why the drama? You and I both know it'll run along the lines of "Mission Accomplished - but WAY more expensive than we hoped. Plus we almost killed a planet because we couldn't control our raging erections."

That wasn't their primary objective though, was it? I thought getting the Shiigeru out of Luminaire was?

Uhm. That's the second time you've made this mistake, but I'll poke you for it now Fred. The attack on Shiigeru was massively phyrric as victories go. Also they didn't decide NOT to invade, they invaded and were bloodily repulsed.

Stop acting like the Federation stopped short of stealing Home AGAIN out of the kindness of their heart - I have no doubt that the incredibly high price paid and the price remaining to be paid was the reason they were amenable to diplomatic negotiation.

It would have led to nothing more than two centuries of warfare and our eventual return. AGAIN.

Please tell me you haven't learned NOTHING from recent history?

That wasn't their primary objective though, was it? I thought getting the Shiigeru out of Luminaire was?

It kinda depends on who you ask. We don't even know for sure what the true objective was, we might find out soon if those documents are leaked though.

So to sum things up. The primary objective was to remove the Shiigeru fleet from Luminaire, and the secondary objective was to support Gallente insurrections fighting against the Provist.

...



Clearly, Fred has received these documents as he didn't know the answer himself when he started talking, but chanced upon the answers by the time he finished.

...

-Eran

There are many nation who would like to see these missing documents. Let us hope that it is a whistleblower who has these documents, and will leak it out for all to see.

That wasn't their primary objective though, was it? I thought getting the Shiigeru out of Luminaire was?

These documents are important evidence against Federation, not some reading for entertainment. They will be used in a trial against federal top management.

By whom, you idiot child?

I can neither confirm nor deny that The Scope may or may not have said document in hand with the word CLASSYFIEED written on its folder with black crayon.

There we are in agreement, obviously. The current solution is, in point of fact, the closest to a resolution that is acceptable to both sides that I can imagine.

In fact, it is only you, who here is an idiot child,

since you can't understand even by whom these documents will be used.

With a little luck and hard work, it might even be the foundation of some sort of solution to our current war.

It was their primary objective now, if you get my meaning.

All those troops landed on the planet? All those "resistance fighters" and weapons smuggled in? All those campaign promises?

Yeah, those were to get the Shiigeru out of orbit. Totally. Why else? We totally had no objectives otherwise, really. Even if we said so. Big bluff. Yup.

A week of fighting on the planet? Yeah, that was...uh, because we didn't want to reinforce things. Didn't want to use our firepower to, you know, win. Ignore those news reports. They have nothing to do with the things. Uh, gotta go.

Clearly, Fred has received these documents as he didn't know the answer himself when he started talking, but chanced upon the answers by the time he finished.

-Eran

Uhm. That's the second time you've made this mistake, but I'll poke you for it now Fred. The attack on Shiigeru was massively phyrric as victories go. Also they didn't decide NOT to invade, they invaded and were bloodily repulsed.

Stop acting like the Federation stopped short of stealing Home AGAIN out of the kindness of their heart - I have no doubt that the incredibly high price paid and the price remaining to be paid was the reason they were amenable to diplomatic negotiation.

As I have said, the troops that were sent in were to aid Gallente rebels and dismantle the totalitarian regime of the Provist. You can look at the news reports yourself. Not a single one says that the troops were for the purpose of invasion or occupation.

Removing the Shiigeru was the main goal, getting rid of the Provist butchering our citizens was the next. We accomplished both and neither have involved occupying your planet.

Heth may be gone, but it seems his propaganda isn't.

I've stated multiple times that this was mere speculation and that the truth will be revealed when the documents are either leaked or declassified.

Brilliant strawman fallacy as always Mr. Mintor.

For it to be a Strawman fallacy that would require a debate or arguement to be taking place. This is not the case. All this is is speculation and people saying they know better than the other.

I am merely proding you with a stick. For some reason I'm disturbingly amused by it.

-Eran

Bugabus,

I'm sorry you seem to think I'm attacking you. It really wasn't intended as such. However, it does perplex me that you would, on the one hand say that we (ie. everyone) really have no truth to the reasons behind Highlander, while assuming you have enough information to personally know, or speculate as to what these reasons were. Consider it someone tapping you on the shoulder telling you to "Be careful."

As to this deal with the fabled 'straw man,' and I do hate that saying, it is very hard to create a 'straw man fallacy' when you yourself are basing your thoughts on speculation. Such loose grounds are really impossible to go below to create a 'straw man.'

Also, hay is for horses, and I am not a horse. Neiiiiigh.

-Eran

This is one of the few things we will all gladly admit ignorance of, Diana - we have no idea what goes on in that broken little brain of yours.

As I have said, the troops that were sent in were to aid Gallente rebels and dismantle the totalitarian regime of the Provist.

Heth may be gone, but it seems his propaganda isn't.

And to some the Shiigeru and what it represented was all that mattered.

Considering that the fall of the Shiigeru ultimately heralded the fall of Heth-guri, I'd say Syagrius is onto something.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is why the Highlander document is considered sensitive: that Federation was willing to accept the deployment of a doomsday device against Caldari Prime, and this may not be something the Roden administration would like widely known.

I hope you do understand, that this DMZ solution is temporary. We will return and will finish cleaning of our planet from gallentean swines. With our hero Tibus Heth, or without.

Nope, not going to happen. Guess what? CONCORD isn't going to put up with the State violating the Yulai Convention a second time - not that the State would try, without the traitor Heth in charge.

Im tired of your stupidity and ignorance. Tibus Heth is not a traitor, he is a hero of the State.

In other words, armed intrusion to support gallentean terrorist attacks against lawful government and owners of the planet.

Heth may be gone, but it seems his propaganda isn't.

Asking Kim to see the world through non-Provist glasses and look at stark reality is like asking a devout Amarrian to become an atheist.

Right! You guys can launch an attack and make complete arses of yourselves...again...and then in no more than 5 years get pushed out of Luminaire...again...and all at the cost of millions of lives and cataclysmic damage to your homeworld...again...

[Right! You guys can launch an attack and make complete arses of yourselves...again...and then in no more than 5 years get pushed out of Luminaire...again...and all at the cost of millions of lives and cataclysmic damage to your homeworld...again...

Pray that the peace holds. Pray that our respective diplomats and leaders don't abrogate the arrangement regarding Caldari Prime. Hold your democratically elected leaders accountable for their behaviour or else look for our return in force.

The outcome was the way it was because Heth was in charge. Next time, look to see a competent attack that would, more than likely, put the doomsday weapon over YOUR homeworld and not ours. You have more resources than we do, but you are NOT prepared to pay the bill for keeping us from Home - all of this was proven. For you it is simply not a priority. For us? Hakkinen K'len.

. Next time, look to see a competent attack that would, more than likely, put the doomsday weapon over YOUR homeworld and not ours. .

You misunderstand me. I really think the current arrangement is the best one. I have supported it in the past and will continue supporting it in the future. If you think I'm the kind of Caldari who endlessly sings "And that's why the Federation must be destroyed" then you misunderstand me. In fact the only reason I would stop supporting the treaty is if the treaty ceased to exist.

What I'd do if THAT happened because the Federation forgot the lessons?

Anything. No laws. No treaties. No conventions. No conscience. No limits. No humanity. Anything.

Your commitment to peace is heartwarming, but from the sound of it I understood you perfectly.

Lets hope you and your stiff necked kin learned your lessons as well.

The next time the "solution" may not be so clean.

We know the consequences of starting the same horrific scenario up again just as much as you do. Only a U-Nat would probably support going through this again, but nobody but the worst of humanity would vote for them right now.

Keep in mind our actions against the Shiigeru were done specifically to prevent this from happening.

UNLESS WE STOP THEM.

The time of talk is over!
We must bring the justice upon them!
We must destroy their war machines.
We must deprive them of assets, they use against us.
And when we will fight them, we shall not show them mercy!

If that makes me the monster that James suggests then.... Grrrrrgh. Rrrrrargh.

If I attack her, James, she will not stand for anything any longer. If she is so avaricious and intolerant that she can't sit by a neighbour that desires nothing of her or hers then all of the good in the Federation will have passed and she'll be nothing but a bloated tyrant.

The nurse forgot to give you your medication again didn't she?

More looks like they forgot to put some brains in your current clone. Please return to your last cloning facility and ask for immediate compensation.

Your commitment to peace is heartwarming, but from the sound of it I understood you perfectly.

Lets hope you and your stiff necked kin learned your lessons as well.

The next time the "solution" may not be so clean.

Right now peace would be a treason.
There are still gallentean swines swarming in half of our Home planet.
And many of our systems in Placid, Essence, Black Rise, The Citadel and Verge Vendor are still occupied by these greedy bastards.
There won't be peace until we push this gallentean scum out with Caldari boots. All the way back to Villore!

Kim.. accept the facts.

Right now peace serves our best interests, that said The State's interests.

As the war sages wrote 'If fighting will bring victory, then you must prepare to fight.'

As the war sages wrote 'If fighting will bring victory, then you must prepare to fight.'

So what the war sages are doing right now is screaming "stop fighting, idiots," right? Because the militia war is unwinnable by design.

Right now peace serves our best interests, that said The State's interests.

As the war sages wrote 'If fighting will bring victory, then you must prepare to fight.'

What can one expect from a Creche bully - who only gives you the space that is yours after you've delivered them a bloody nose?

So what the war sages are doing right now is screaming "stop fighting, idiots," right? Because the militia war is unwinnable by design.