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YenomDeenI School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 4	Posted - 2013.08.31 08:38:00 - [1] - Quote Hello GD, I have been playing eve for a couple months now and have two accounts. I'm looking to partially afk mine on one while I do something else on the other. With all factors like lp gains vs haul times and finding belts included, will high sec belt mining or level IV mining missions bring better isk/hour for a solo pilot?
Tinker Vuld New Order Logistics CODE. 50	Posted - 2013.08.31 08:55:00 - [2] - Quote Afk you say? Where's your base of operations? www.minerbumping.com - study it, live it, breathe it, for The Code shall set you free.
YenomDeenI School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 4	Posted - 2013.08.31 08:58:00 - [3] - Quote Lol, there is a reason I don't post on accounts that leave the station. You will never find meh!
Hulemand Coreli Corporation Ineluctable. 66	Posted - 2013.08.31 09:34:00 - [4] - Quote Mining missions is ****! You have to move 80km in a deadspace complex - which is just lame in a barge - and they pay next to nothing. Admiral Hulemand Core Operations Overseer
Fanatic Row DED Drug Enforcement Department 53	Posted - 2013.08.31 09:39:00 - [5] - Quote Hulemand wrote: Mining missions is ****! You have to move 80km in a deadspace complex - which is just lame in a barge - and they pay next to nothing. Pretty much this. The fact that you have to navigate around large collidable objects doesn't help. Of course, back in the day, making your gameplay annoying was actually a valid design principle
YenomDeenI School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 4	Posted - 2013.08.31 11:06:00 - [6] - Quote hmm, well like i said, I would be afk'ing most of it so slowboating won't ruin my day. Even with lp, mission rewards and not having to search for a good belt, mining IV's aren't as much as belt mining in high?
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 41744	Posted - 2013.08.31 11:10:00 - [7] - Quote YenomDeenI wrote: hmm, well like i said, I would be afk'ing most of it so slowboating won't ruin my day. Even with lp, mission rewards and not having to search for a good belt, mining IV's aren't as much as belt mining in high? Ores gathered in Mining Missions can rarely if ever be sold. They are mutant variants of the regular ores. Worthless literally. Better ISK in Security Missions. Also, AFK is bad, m'kay ?
Mayhaw Morgan State War Academy Caldari State 133	Posted - 2013.08.31 11:44:00 - [8] - Quote I'm not entirely sure about the math. It depends on your skills, your mining ship, the security of the system you mine in, etc. If you can haul the ore to sell it at a good price or have good refining skills it MIGHT be more profitable to mine in the belts/anomalies, but I highly doubt it. Mining missions are far better for AFKing than mining in belts. You don't have to worry about gankers and typically you only have to mine 1 or 2 asteroids, so there are fewer wasted cycles that way. The payout isn't as good as a level 4 security mission, but the necessary effort isn't as high, either, and if you have good mining skills, they don't take that long. Either the other people who've answered you so far don't know what they are talking about or they just don't like your playstyle and want to give you bad information or something else. I actually do mining missions. Short answer: Mining missions are better.
Skydell Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 553	Posted - 2013.08.31 12:16:00 - [9] - Quote Level 4 mining missions run the gambit. You will get Ore, Ice and Gas so you need a true Industrial to run them. Over the years they have been nerfed six ways sideways. It's one of the heavier handed actions taken. LP and ISK rewards are less than half of Sec, Ore is fake. The new Ore Bays make the Ice and Ore ones less work but the Gas ones still need to be Jet canned. I used to do the in an Astarte with Gas Mining to 5, an Industrial hauler alt and it still took 40 minutes to do one Mission. Low intensity but very low returns.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 41762	Posted - 2013.08.31 12:58:00 - [10] - Quote Mayhaw Morgan wrote: I'm not entirely sure about the math. It depends on your skills, your mining ship, the security of the system you mine in, etc. If you can haul the ore to sell it at a good price or have good refining skills it MIGHT be more profitable to mine in the belts/anomalies, but I highly doubt it. Mining missions are far better for AFKing than mining in belts. You don't have to worry about gankers and typically you only have to mine 1 or 2 asteroids, so there are fewer wasted cycles that way. The payout isn't as good as a level 4 security mission, but the necessary effort isn't as high, either, and if you have good mining skills, they don't take that long. Either the other people who've answered you so far don't know what they are talking about or they just don't like your playstyle and want to give you bad information or something else. I actually do mining missions. Short answer: Mining missions are better. Mining in belts = some profit. Market is currently on a nosedive though. Mining in missions = what poster above me says + again you cannot sell the ore. Ice Mining = ftw. (for the moment at least) Mayhaw needs to take his own advice offered in his 2nd paragraph. Perhaps post where fewer trolls : Science and Industry.
Sevendeadly Sins Internet Guardians Corp 0	Posted - 2013.08.31 13:03:00 - [11] - Quote Did you purchase your mining permit?
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 41762	Posted - 2013.08.31 13:05:00 - [12] - Quote Sevendeadly Sins wrote: Did you purchase your mining permit? Art thou not tired of that tired game ?
YenomDeenI School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 4	Posted - 2013.08.31 13:10:00 - [13] - Quote Hmm, kind of a bummer. I was hoping for 30 min missions with the same lp and reward as level 4 sec missions. I don't see why they cut the lp/reward in half when there is no ore to sell, no bounties, no loot or salvage.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 41764	Posted - 2013.08.31 13:28:00 - [14] - Quote YenomDeenI wrote: Hmm, kind of a bummer. I was hoping for 30 min missions with the same lp and reward as level 4 sec missions. I don't see why they cut the lp/reward in half when there is no ore to sell, no bounties, no loot or salvage. They heeded the Rabble's Call to Nerf High Sec.
Mayhaw Morgan State War Academy Caldari State 133	Posted - 2013.08.31 14:04:00 - [15] - Quote Oh, look! I'm back in this thread. Skydell wrote: I used to do the in an Astarte with Gas Mining to 5 The Venture mining frigate has a gas mining role bonus, skill bonus, and enough ore bay capacity to complete a mission in 1 trip. Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Mining in belts = some profit. Market is currently on a nosedive though. Mining in missions = what poster above me says + again you cannot sell the ore. Ice Mining = ftw. (for the moment at least) Mining in the belts can be dangerous, especially in an exhumer or untanked barge. You need to manage your mining lasers a little more than in a mission to prevent idle time and wasted cycles. You still have to do something with the ore, haul it, refine it, or what have you. You don't get LPs or standing for it. I don't know why you're hung up on selling the ore. You turn it in to complete the mission. Some of the mining missions ARE ice mining, and those can be done in one trip with a Retriever/Mackinaw. I won't argue that regular ice mining in a Procurer or Skiff isn't also a good idea, but in Caldari space, for the moment, I wouldn't ice mine in anything but those two ships. I should also correct some things said previously. You don't have to travel 80km to get to the asteroids in any of the missions. I think the farthest you have to go is maybe 50km, but some of them are much closer. You don't have to navigate a bunch of Large Collidable Objects. You don't have to slowboat. You can fit an afterburner onto your barge. YenomDeenl wrote: Hmm, kind of a bummer. I was hoping for 30 min missions with the same lp and reward as level 4 sec missions. I don't see why they cut the lp/reward in half when there is no ore to sell, no bounties, no loot or salvage. With the mining barge buffs, the introduction of the Venture, the changes to ice mining, and that nifty new ice mining rig, mining missions are probably a little more profitable than they were when I was first doing them 2 or 3 years ago. They're certainly more practical to get done. I only wish they'd introduce some level 5 mining missions.
Eraza Fuzzyness Enterprizes 76	Posted - 2013.08.31 19:28:00 - [16] - Quote i havent checked recently, but mining missions were very meh last i checked you would actually be better off doing other missions untill you run into a deadspace pocket with asteroids, and calling that your "belt" seriously, does ANYONE do mining missions regularly? i want to hear from someone that frequently does mining missions, what is the attraction there? it's about the only activity in eve i dont get, and i have friends whos hobby is HAULING Return varied color to Gallente ships! not everything looks good in DARK GREEN!
Lyris Nairn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11852	Posted - 2013.08.31 21:55:00 - [17] - Quote There is Arkonor is one of the Level 1 storyline missions. But you would be better served by joining a nullsec corp and mining in one of the mining anomalies in nullsec. Literally infinite minerals there, since they respawn if you fully mine them out. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8

ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 422	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:38:00 - [18] - Quote I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it. Please keep it civil people! ISD Ezwal Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Malcolm Shinhwa bad touches 195	Posted - 2013.09.01 00:35:00 - [19] - Quote The lvl 4 mining missions can make you about 20mil isk an hour. You can do them totally AFK. You are, I'm sad to say, virtually ungankable (100% ungankable to any pirate with -5 sec status). Can be run in a Venture (gas) or Retriever (everything else). And you don't have to mess around with hauling or selling the ore. Jet can when your Retriever gets full, come back for the can in a max cargo hauler with a tractor beam. Get them from an agent in a 0.5 system for max LP/Isk. Then periodically convert the LP to product and sell it. You can make more per hour in l4 security missions sure, but for these you don't actually have to play the game. Just start mining lasers and go fold your laundry or something. Its completely stupid and CCP should fix it. But it is what it is. I have 5 different chars that I play. This may be my main, or maybe not. I have no idea.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 4038	Posted - 2013.09.01 01:26:00 - [20] - Quote Some mission details. In all cases, simply divide the m3 of ore by your mining rate to get the time required to mine the rocks out. There is also travel time to take into account, but you can usually take 25km off the travel required due to having mining foreman links on the orca (because you're doing mining missions with a fleet). Geodite and Gemology 2800 x Geodite (44800m3) 30km from warp-in 1M ISK 3600 LP Not Gneiss at All 9000 x Green Arisite (45000m3), 47km from warp-in 800k ISK 3700 LP Mother Lode 2800 x Polygypsum (44800m3), 20km from warp-in 900k ISK 3500 LP These numbers are based on a character with very high Gallente standings talking to Muebles Athartault of Combined Harvest in Mesybier (a 0.5 sec system). I've had enough of mining missions for now, but knock yourself out with your spreadsheets :) Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
Forio Free Galactic Industry 0	Posted - 2013.09.01 01:46:00 - [21] - Quote Im a maxed industrial skilled player who wanted to run security missions so I ran mining missions for minmatar mining corporation while I trained combat skills. About the same time my standings with minmatar mining unlocked a lvl 4 security agent, I was able to fly a cruise raven with decent skills. Other than that Ive seen some players mine more of the mission mutant minerals than they need so they can put them up on contracts in mining mission systems for players who don't want to bore themselves to death mining it. All things taken into account though security missions is where the isk is.
Skydell Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 558	Posted - 2013.09.01 02:22:00 - [22] - Quote Mayhaw Morgan wrote: Oh, look! I'm back in this thread. Skydell wrote: I used to do the in an Astarte with Gas Mining to 5 The Venture mining frigate has a gas mining role bonus, skill bonus, and enough ore bay capacity to complete a mission in 1 trip. 5 skills with a Venture and role bonus would make it possible to mine the mission in a slightly shorter time as well. Macki Ice and Ore fits, Venture Gas fit The same thing holds true. They aren't optimal productivity but they are are low intensity ways to grind faction.
Khen'do Khen 6	Posted - 2013.09.01 06:04:00 - [23] - Quote Mayhaw Morgan wrote: Mining missions are far better for AFKing than mining in belts. You don't have to worry about gankers Can't you scan down someone in a mission?
Haoibuni UK Corp RAZOR Alliance 46	Posted - 2013.09.01 06:12:00 - [24] - Quote http://evenews24.com/2013/04/25/greedy-goblin-6-8mhour-for-a-fresh-newbie-while-afk-20m-for-a-veteran/
YenomDeenI School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 4	Posted - 2013.09.01 13:49:00 - [25] - Quote Haoibuni wrote: http://evenews24.com/2013/04/25/greedy-goblin-6-8mhour-for-a-fresh-newbie-while-afk-20m-for-a-veteran/ This is what brought the idea to my attention. Originally I had my alt running around null doing exploration sites in my buzzard, while doing sec missions or faction war on my main. It wasn't "fun" to me though, felt more like work then playing a game. Dual boxing is too tedious. I made this post too see if that thread was correct. From what I see from some of the replys, it seems you can only really pull about 8-10m per hour from lvl 4s, but that's about what you get for mining belts in high sec isn't it? All in all even if the isk/h is lower from mining missions It seems to be a lot less needing of attention then belt mining. I think I will grind up to the 4's and see how they go. Thanks for your help GD.
ashley Eoner 184	Posted - 2013.09.01 19:43:00 - [26] - Quote Haoibuni wrote: http://evenews24.com/2013/04/25/greedy-goblin-6-8mhour-for-a-fresh-newbie-while-afk-20m-for-a-veteran/ Take what he says with a grain of salt as he's overly optimistic on the earnings per hour and the amount earned from LP. He also glosses over the grind to get the missions and the tedium of some of the level 4 missions..
Remiel Pollard Layman's terms TAXU 1675	Posted - 2013.09.01 21:46:00 - [27] - Quote EVE is not the game for you. This is the game for you. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Remiel Pollard Layman's terms TAXU 1675	Posted - 2013.09.01 21:50:00 - [28] - Quote Haoibuni wrote: http://evenews24.com/2013/04/25/greedy-goblin-6-8mhour-for-a-fresh-newbie-while-afk-20m-for-a-veteran/ I just read this, this nobbit is actually promoting and encouraging afk 'gameplay'. I feel bad for the wasted brain power that goes into justifying how not playing = playing. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Felicity Love Whore and Peace 826	Posted - 2013.09.02 00:35:00 - [29] - Quote YenomDeenI wrote: Hello GD, I have been playing eve for a couple months now and have two accounts. I'm looking to partially afk mine on one while I do something else on the other. With all factors like lp gains vs haul times and finding belts included, will high sec belt mining or level IV mining missions bring better isk/hour for a solo pilot? Suggest you also consider the anoms that spawn ore on a constant basis -- they've always been there, they're just more easily found and more plentiful since Odyssey's changes to both scanning (all you need to do is run your Scanner Overlay and let it sweep the skies) and resources. Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies"
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4266	Posted - 2013.09.02 02:07:00 - [30] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Haoibuni wrote: http://evenews24.com/2013/04/25/greedy-goblin-6-8mhour-for-a-fresh-newbie-while-afk-20m-for-a-veteran/ I just read this, this nobbit is actually promoting and encouraging afk 'gameplay'. I feel bad for the wasted brain power that goes into justifying how not playing = playing. AFK is the way to go. Take AFK Cloaking, the best pvp method around There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013

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