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Crimson Vectore
Hellfire Cult
The East India Co.
5
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:08:00 -
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Discuss
I believe that CCP are aware of this yet do nothing to stop it because it's one of their main sources of income. Individual players who can barely afford one character are at a great disadvantage due to the fact that they're competing with people who are able to exponentially raise their influence by just buying more characters. Not everyone, especially newer players, can make such an investment given the current situation in EVE. The situation being that older Alliances have monopolized Nullsec.
for example;
You purchase 10 accounts
You train those accounts for industry
You purchase a sub for multibox software
You create a 0% tax indy corp in Hisec
You continuously get ganked by Alt corps that belong to a nullsec alliance
You realize that it isn't profitable and that your attempts of generating a return on your investment is impossible
Were are you going to go? Nullsec?(lol) Unsub?(only choice) Who's going to reimburse the $1000 you just spent? CCP?(pfft)
So what can you do?
It's impossible to gain any ground without either joining them. It's safe to say that EVE is now a game about who's played it the longest, has the most toons, and the largest mass of mindless followers.
I'd like to see how much more interesting EVE would play out if everyone was just bound to one identity. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3394
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:10:00 -
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Poasting in yet another blatent "ban isBoxer" thread.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Elizabeth Aideron
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
184
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:15:00 -
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Use a covops/blockade runner to transport high value items like blueprints. Use a freighter service with full collateral. Easy. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
590
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:15:00 -
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People who whine about non-issues are ruining the game. |
Crimson Vectore
Hellfire Cult
The East India Co.
5
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:17:00 -
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Always the goons. |
RaTTuS
BIG
Insidious Empire
331
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:19:00 -
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just get PI running on 3 characters then you can afford another account
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
511
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:20:00 -
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Crimson Vectore wrote:Discuss
I believe that CCP are aware of this yet do nothing to stop it because it's one of their main sources of income. Individual players who can barely afford one character are at a great disadvantage due to the fact that they're competing with people who are able to exponentially raise their influence by just buying more characters. Not everyone, especially newer players, can make such an investment given the current situation in EVE. The situation being that older Alliances have monopolized Nullsec.
for example;
You purchase 10 accounts
You train those accounts for industry
You purchase a sub for multibox software
You create a 0% tax indy corp in Hisec
You continuously get ganked by Alt corps that belong to a nullsec alliance
You realize that it isn't profitable and that your attempts of generating a return on your investment is impossible
Were are you going to go? Nullsec?(lol) Unsub?(only choice) Who's going to reimburse the $1000 you just spent? CCP?(pfft)
So what can you do?
It's impossible to gain any ground without either joining them. It's safe to say that EVE is now a game about who's played it the longest, has the most toons, and the largest mass of mindless followers.
I'd like to see how much more interesting EVE would play out if everyone was just bound to one identity.
You could rent space :D
Also, you could move to one of the many solar systems where ganking is less rife (if your region is Domain, The Citadel, The Forge or Metropolis for example, you're doing it wrong). You could also fit your ships for anti-gank rather than pure yield. Also if you are all within 5km of each other, you're doing it wrong again as clusters of miners are great for mass ganks (imagine your miners have to do that thing kids do when they are in PE, where they stick their arms out and spin, and if they clip another kid, they are too close).
ISK is a LOT easier to make now than it used to be. Being a noob now is pure glory compared to how it used to be.
Also, high sec mining isn;t really the best isk. It's alright, but alone it's not great. Running a manufacturing corp and a trading win alongside it might increase your profits over the "all eggs in one basket" approach of mining.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
Solar Assault Fleet
609
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:21:00 -
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Crimson Vectore wrote:
You realize that it isn't profitable and that your attempts of generating a return on your investment is impossible
Have you pondered that Eve might be a game?
You know something one plays for fun and not to generate return on any investment.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil.
CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Crimson Vectore
Hellfire Cult
The East India Co.
5
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:24:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:
Have you pondered that Eve might be a game?
You know something one plays for fun and not to generate return on any investment.
BULLSHIT |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
235
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:26:00 -
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I dont understand why do someone need 10 accounts to play this game, and behold, sometimes all PLEXed. Why are people so derived of real live in the first place? What has become our destiny, the destiny of EVE? I feel like a freak having only one acount. :(
New CQ prototype |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
512
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:26:00 -
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Crimson Vectore wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:
Have you pondered that Eve might be a game?
You know something one plays for fun and not to generate return on any investment.
BULLSHIT
You play EVE for a return on investment?
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
235
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:28:00 -
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When EVE is real, so is ISK.
New CQ prototype |
Dring Dingle
Polaris Rising
Gentlemen's Agreement
51
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:30:00 -
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You are " playing " wrong, I've been with eve about 2.5 years and in that time I've never plexed.
The moment you make it about plexing it becomes a chore.
I have three accounts now, still don't plex them even tho I could, it sucks the fun out if all you are chasing is a fat wallet
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16294
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:30:00 -
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Crimson Vectore wrote:You purchase 10 accounts
You train those accounts for industry
You purchase a sub for multibox software
You create a 0% tax indy corp in Hisec
You continuously get ganked by Alt corps that belong to a nullsec alliance
GǪor you just do ^^ that, skip the bad parts, and earn a healthy profit on your industrial endeavours. For good measure, set your tax to 100%.
Quote:It's impossible to gain any ground without joining them. It's safe to say that EVE is now a game about who's played it the longest, has the most toons, and who has the largest mass of mindless followers. Would you equate GÇ£safeGÇ¥ with GÇ£wrongGÇ¥? I'm not sure I would.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Duncan Norvelle
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:32:00 -
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Crimson Vectore wrote:
Tears.
Confirming multi-boxing is the only way to make good money in EvE.
Also confirming I just confirmed something.
Oh, and the OP is as blinkered as a rat in a toilet roll. I'm confirming that too.
I can also confirming it's all CCPs fault and rage-quitting is the answer.
I think I've confirmed enough for today.
Chase me! |
Ciyrine
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
72
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:38:00 -
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Im a new player with no alts.
1) I dont understand why people insist on being at the same level as vets. Why should a 1 yr player be comparable to a 10yr player. And yes that means as long as the vet keeps playing ull never catch up. Ull always be 9 yrs behind. Suck it up
2) why should ur one man hi sec corp be safe from getting torn apart? If u cant protect urself join a group that can. If ur gonna play solo +10 alts then accept that ur weaker than 3 player +30 alts |
Crimson Vectore
Hellfire Cult
The East India Co.
5
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:39:00 -
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Duncan Norvelle wrote:
Mindless rabble about how I'm perpetually bound to my masters in such a way that if I were to ever leave my entire existence in this game would become invalid . I'd also like to add that I'm a complete tool and that anyone who ever tries to be anything else than just another ponzy is blah blah rabble rabble >insert mindless drone argument #45876 here<
incoherent dismissal
incoherent dismissal
bleep bloop
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Crimson Vectore
Hellfire Cult
The East India Co.
5
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:41:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:Im a new player with no alts.
1) I dont understand why people insist on being at the same level as vets. Why should a 1 yr player be comparable to a 10yr player. And yes that means as long as the vet keeps playing ull never catch up. Ull always be 9 yrs behind. Suck it up
2) why should ur one man hi sec corp be safe from getting torn apart? If u cant protect urself join a group that can. If ur gonna play solo +10 alts then accept that ur weaker than 3 player +30 alts
This is no different than how the Mafia used to, and maybe still does, extort small business owners. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
513
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:43:00 -
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Crimson Vectore wrote:Duncan Norvelle wrote:
Mindless rabble about how I'm perpetually bound to my masters in such a way that if I were to ever leave my entire existence in this game would become invalid . I'd also like to add that I'm a complete tool and that anyone who ever tries to be anything else than just another ponzy is blah blah rabble rabble >insert mindless drone argument #45876 here<
incoherent dismissal
incoherent dismissal
bleep bloop
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Crimson. Have you ever thought that there maybe a reason people gank you?
I'm considering finding your alts and your area of operations and ganking you til you ragequit in a puddle of tears. There's plenty of advice in here, and good reasons not to cry about peoples alts, yet you just write dumbass responses. Best of luck getting good responses when you act like a child.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Crimson Vectore
Hellfire Cult
The East India Co.
5
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:46:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:
Best of luck getting good responses when you act like a child.
He started it. |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
601
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:17:00 -
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You folks are lucky; my alts always try to awox me.
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SpoonRECKLESS
Caldari Provisions
23
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:29:00 -
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Please unsub if you can't learn to not afk mine. Or align out the belt not sit on the warp in and have safe spots off the belt.
Blue
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Hra Neuvosto
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
83
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:29:00 -
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popblues, never4get |
Tydeth Gilitae
Magewright Artificers
21
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:33:00 -
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PVP ISBoxer fleets can be killed. Probably not soloed, but shouldn't need as big a fleet to deal with as an actual multiplayer enemy force, given it is one guy. If you find and kill the main client that ISBoxer is listening to for command replication, then until he switches over to another ship, his command is momentarily disrupted. Even more, if he commands his pod to flee, ISBoxer would command his fleet to flee. If he switches client to keep fighting, the pod is sitting around being an easy target.
On the topic of alt fleets ran by multiple players who are just using alts so their mains aren't negative statused by ganking, treat them as you would any fleet piloted by mains: get another fleet and shoot them. In the case of mining barges, 50 hobgoblin drones can do some pretty vicious damage. Blob them with your little bots. If your 10 accounts are using Ventures, fit a turret, and blob with 20 bots and 10 small guns.
Industry skills use the same stats as PVP-fitting skills like the More HP Trinity, CPU/Power/Cap increases, and the skills that unlock Armor/Shield Tank modules. Intersperse your money-making skills with those, and make yourself harder to gank in the first place. While you're at it, you can also pick up the farther/faster/more targeting ones, which are always useful. |
Jim Era
7496
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:35:00 -
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This thread has inspired me.
I just activated 14 new accounts.
And isBoxer is installing as we speak.
incoming: ISK |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
744
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:36:00 -
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CCP will not give up it's cash cow....The alts will continue until moral improves....
I too am excited about trading playability for more lag and shiny pictures.....:(
Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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Enduros
Ostian Industries
Hand of Despair
11
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Posted - 2013.09.02 17:11:00 -
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Maybe your communication skills are at fault. In this game a great number of people take themselves very seriously. The game also give you all the tools to annoy other people. All this combined becomes an emergent behavior know as "tear harvesting". The sooner you accept that this is part of the game the more fun the game becomes.
And once you accept this part of the game you will soon learn that all those elite PvP tear harvesters and their hi-sec alts are not difficult to deal with. You see those people consider you as content and there is nothing you can do to change that. Only thing you can do is control what kind of content you are for them. They will want something out of you, the way you approach the situation will define what that something will be. If you give them something, they will come back for more. This is especially bad if you give them something that you yourself find very annoying. Just play around it.
I've yet to meet anyone in this game that is foaming out of the mouth so much they can't be reasoned with. I kind of suspect you are playing the wrong game for the wrong reasons. |
Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar
Nulli Secunda
509
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Posted - 2013.09.02 17:27:00 -
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You realise whining as such makes you and your corp look bad right?
I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |
Barzai Mekhar
True Confusion
10
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Posted - 2013.09.02 17:47:00 -
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Makes thread called " Alts are ruining EVE". Starts discussion with:
Crimson Vectore wrote:Discuss
...
for example;
You purchase 10 accounts
...
So... I'm not sure... troll or trying to implode the universe by causing a critical irony overload?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16295
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Posted - 2013.09.02 17:50:00 -
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Barzai Mekhar wrote:Makes thread called " Alts are ruining EVE". Starts discussion with: Crimson Vectore wrote:Discuss
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for example;
You purchase 10 accounts
... So... I'm not sure... troll or trying to implode the universe by causing a critical irony overload? I think we can safely say GÇ£yesGÇ¥ to that one.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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