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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.01.06 06:26:00 -
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Now I might have lost a friend and a corpmate from EVE thanks to your indecisiveness on macrominers, on 2 nights now he have lost 2 harpy's in attacks against macroers due to bugs !!!! we know these are bugs and he should not within gamemecanics loose the ships.
Petitions are sent, he can't afford to buy new ships now (even that we do offer to help him out) he is just ****ed off at the game now and might bug out of the game.
So thank you very much CCP for chasing good players out of the game like this.
The worse part is ... you would not care because you got 2000 macro/isk farmers to take care of.
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Rabbitgod
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Posted - 2006.01.06 06:46:00 -
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You engage in PvP you risk losing your ship. I doubt he lost his ship to a bug. It sounds like you were tring to kill macro minners in empire with out getting concorded that is considered an exploit. I hate macro minners too but to be honest marcoers are in every single major MMO with one dif when it come to EvE. In EvE they are at the very bottom of the food chain. They do not control the market in any way shape or form. If you really want to hurt macro minners crash the vel, tri and pyro markets with super low buy orders but continue to buy trit for new players for a decent price by simply seeking them out and setting up regular exchanges.
P.S. BTW Can I have you friends stuff?
Here these will help
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.01.06 06:47:00 -
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loosing a ship cant b the reason to leave eve?
if so, he wont b missed.
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Embattle
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Posted - 2006.01.06 06:50:00 -
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Can ^he have your stuff 
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.01.06 06:53:00 -
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actually yes he did loose to a bug.. we have formed 2 corps where we engaged in war against eachother... then we gang people and you know that you can attack anyone in a warring gang right ?
You get a warning up about it when you join a friend who is at war.
Twice he lost to when we ganged up macroers and these where showing in the gang window so they had accepted the gang invite.
And no the ships are not the only part, he is ****ed because all he do now is hunting macroers and that does not bring in any isk for him... all he now have left to fly in is a medium miningbarge... with macroers flowing the market with minerals, and stripping the belts mining is really not a option anylonger.
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"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things."
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Embattle
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:00:00 -
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You know they are bugs, he can't afford to replace his ship yet you continue to do it.....sounds kind of stupid if you ask me.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Embattle
You know they are bugs, he can't afford to replace his ship yet you continue to do it.....sounds kind of stupid if you ask me.
NOW we knows they are bugs, and no we do not continue to use it, infact I am off from hunting macroers and isk farmers let them swarm this ******* game I don't care anylonger
And no the first time he did not know it was a bug.. he tought something else happend ... after second time he understands it is a bug.
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"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things."
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mimik
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:05:00 -
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so let me get this straight.
u were using a potential exploit of game mechanics to con people who u assume were macro-ers which if u were wrong and it was just a mining op would be griefing.
and because u chose to engage in high sec PvP through this debatable loophole in game mechanics and got concorded u r now complaining?
gimme a break pls.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: mimik
Edited by: mimik on 06/01/2006 07:05:30
so let me get this straight.
u were using a potential exploit of game mechanics to con people who u assume were macro-ers which if u were wrong and it was just a mining op would be griefing.
and btw if they were macro-ers how did they manage to accept your gang invites?
and because u chose to engage in high sec PvP through this debatable loophole in game mechanics and got concorded u r now complaining?
gimme a break pls.
Actually I think you misunderstand us, it is not the loss of ships that ticks us off.. but the indecisiveness from CCP about macro/isk farmers that do... yes he lost 2 ships in high sec pvp... and that would be fine really ... but when your ways to replace them are gone (see mining and production) then it starts to tick people off.
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"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things."
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Embattle
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:13:00 -
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Suggest you do something other than mining then, as for the lack of so called decisiveness of CCP you are making an assumption on that front.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: mimik
Edited by: mimik on 06/01/2006 07:05:30
so let me get this straight.
u were using a potential exploit of game mechanics to con people who u assume were macro-ers which if u were wrong and it was just a mining op would be griefing.
Care to explain how it's an exploit? Tell you what, I'll save you the trouble of trying. It's not an exploit, and if he got CONCORDDOKKENED when shooting a gangmate of a warring corp, then CCP needs to give the kid his ship(s) back.
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Syrec
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:15:00 -
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I don't see what this has to do with ISK farmers. It sounds like your beef is with a bug involving war flagging in gangs. You should try petitioning or submitting the bug through whatever proper way you do that in EVE and providing enough details so that they can reproduce and fix it.
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CrowBar2
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:16:00 -
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Edited by: CrowBar2 on 06/01/2006 07:18:40
i can prove this is a bug. when some one accepts my gang invites then leaves the gang the gang menu under overview still shows them in gang. i can still warp people in the menu around regroup you name it. it is a bug plain and simple. but if some one im at war with try's to shoot them concord comes and ganks them. i know because im the one this happened to. ill be more then glad to provide proof of this if some one is willing to meet me some where
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Embattle
Suggest you do something other than mining then, as for the lack of so called decisiveness of CCP you are making an assumption on that front.
Actually the whole thing is not about me but my corpbuddy ... and yes he even have been parts of alliances in 0.0 ... he came back to our corp and loved it there, we have done alot to try and have him enjoy our corp.
Everything from missionrunning, production, mining and rathunting (lowsec and 0.0)....
I like mining and production... because of the flow of minerals to the market (and yes I blame macro and isk farmers for that) the minerals are cheap now .. hey great... I do prodcution as well ... well not so great when your are forced to sell your products so cheap you don't make anything out of it..
Why is it that ??? someone is building stuff and dumping them on the market that is for sure.
Could be because minerals are so cheap now...
Then we are left with missionrunning and rathunting but lets face it is that all I am going to do in this game ?
Are we going to let mining and production to macro and iskfarmers and have "risk" free gameplay because everything is so cheap.
I remember before RMR we where on the testserver .. and honestly it was boring when you did not have the risk there (cheap equipment).
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"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things."
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CrowBar2
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:21:00 -
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my problem is with the bug thats where my problem is ive sent in a petition and every thing about this and no reply from CCP
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: CrowBar2
my problem is with the bug thats where my problem is ive sent in a petition and every thing about this and no reply from CCP
and I did detatch the gang window from my chat to keep an eye on it all time, at no time where the victim away from the chat.
I did not use the overview either... (as I know it got some bugs in it).
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CrowBar2
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:25:00 -
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im not realy ****ed this is just a game any ways, but id like ccp to atleast awnser me since i do pay them to play this game
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:31:00 -
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Well I am ****ed off at this game, and Crowbar you know how much these pest the systems around our base, and I have moved alot around now to just find a "perfect" place and it get infested with this ... yeah.... so I am ****ed off big time.
Top of all... if my friends and corpmates starts to wonder if they are going to stay in game... well that even ticks me off more (at ccp ofcourse).
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"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things."
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La Solitaire
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:31:00 -
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You never really answered mimiks question. If they were macros, how did they accept the gang invite?
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: La Solitaire
You never really answered mimiks question. If they were macros, how did they accept the gang invite?
Macros and isk farmers...we attack both.
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"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things."
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CrowBar2
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: La Solitaire
You never really answered mimiks question. If they were macros, how did they accept the gang invite?
dont think i ever said they was
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Ayla Vanir
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:37:00 -
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This probably isn't the answer you wanted, but CCP's answer for dealing with suspected macro users is to submit a petition, filed under Exploit, so that the GMs can investigate. I'd provide links, but just check around for some ISD replies in some of the other four hojillian threads about macro mining.
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mimik
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: mimik
Edited by: mimik on 06/01/2006 07:05:30
so let me get this straight.
u were using a potential exploit of game mechanics to con people who u assume were macro-ers which if u were wrong and it was just a mining op would be griefing.
Care to explain how it's an exploit? Tell you what, I'll save you the trouble of trying. It's not an exploit, and if he got CONCORDDOKKENED when shooting a gangmate of a warring corp, then CCP needs to give the kid his ship(s) back.
the reason i said a POTENTIAL exploit was that they were not actually at war with each other but used the war dec mechanics to try and trick a 3rd party into a gang, which afaik is not the intended use of the war dec facility, which therefore by definition is an exploit.
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La Solitaire
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Arcticblue2
on 2 nights now he have lost 2 harpy's in attacks against macroers due to bugs !!!!
Then you say they aren't macro'ers?
So mostly you just gang people in high sec to gank them? Thats a real shame your friend will be leaving then.....
I don't want your stuff
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ayla Vanir
This probably isn't the answer you wanted, but CCP's answer for dealing with suspected macro users is to submit a petition, filed under Exploit, so that the GMs can investigate. I'd provide links, but just check around for some ISD replies in some of the other four hojillian threads about macro mining.
Actually .. I do petition them quite often, infact I got a list of almost 70 macro/isk farmers around my area (within like 10 jumps in any directions) all petitioned, all have been identified... nicks, ships, date started and known people they work with....
First one I petitioned was 3 months ago, they still do their work here... oh and back then I stole 110 000 kernite from them in a single night (same system) and NOBODY complained... not until the 3rd time I encountered them they reacted in local and then not by speaking but the usually garble they spew out in local.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: La Solitaire
Originally by: Arcticblue2
on 2 nights now he have lost 2 harpy's in attacks against macroers due to bugs !!!!
Then you say they aren't macro'ers?
So mostly you just gang people in high sec to gank them? Thats a real shame your friend will be leaving then.....
I don't want your stuff
Well you would not get our stuff anyway, and no we don't randomly gang people and gank them....
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"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things."
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CrowBar2
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: La Solitaire
Originally by: Arcticblue2
on 2 nights now he have lost 2 harpy's in attacks against macroers due to bugs !!!!
Then you say they aren't macro'ers?
So mostly you just gang people in high sec to gank them? Thats a real shame your friend will be leaving then.....
I don't want your stuff
im sorry but do you even know what your talking about? i dont gang just any one. i gang the people with names like fgfdsd, which i seriously doubt is some one that realy plays the game and not a isk farmer. same with my freinds we carfuly pick are targets, also i dont think this topic is about isk farmers/macro miners its about a bug
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Losten79
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:52:00 -
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Edited by: Losten79 on 06/01/2006 07:54:18
As far as i can understand u have lost yet another harpy due to the bug last night 
And i DO hope CCP answers on this one and say they WILL fix it...
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