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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2006.01.06 10:47:00 -
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Lets throw in a couple of realistic idea's, People have pritty much got it right that numbers wise.
The jove issue, don't simply think because the jove have had dealings with the caldari that they'll be on their side there info gathers and don't involve themselves in political arguments of the otherempires. oh and rember that incident where ammar tried to invade them.. and guess what the ammars now allying with caldari think the jove are going to perceive the ammar - caldari alliance as a threat to them been on their doorstep. Though there more likely to play spy's for both sides of the conflict.
And the one thing you've all forgotten... concord... which have been less than freindly with the ammar recently which i think will put them squarely on the gallente mimmatar side of the fence.
I can just see it now.. concord tech been handed out to gallente mimattar citizens purrrrrrr.
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Kilo Paskaa
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Posted - 2006.01.06 10:51:00 -
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Im not sure about winning side, but im sure that first looter after big battle will be me  .
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Kefra
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Posted - 2006.01.06 10:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Slaveabuser
Caldari because they are allied with Amarr.
Pffft, filthy Gallente-Minmatar's.
Lets just say it how it is. The Amarr win.
There is nothing to fear in death, for no one has come back to complain about it.
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Thecle Vifargent
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Posted - 2006.01.06 10:58:00 -
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There is only things to lose in a war, nothing to win...
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Rafein
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:13:00 -
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Caldari.
Most of the playerbase is Caldari. So they will have the numbers to use Scorps to Jam every gallente ship, and still have ships left over.
Once cannot win if one cannot fight.
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Gardavil
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Syrec
*This is all speculation and BSing around. Thread not based on fact*
Who do you think will win if Caldari and Gallente go to war? Somehow I think there will be lots of stations where a bunch of gallente are hiding inside surrounded by Caldari missle boats. Players don't usually pick Caldari to be scientists. Maybe we can research them to death. 
BoB will win.
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Paul Atradiese
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:23:00 -
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Found this in a thread about the same thing
To all those people out there that seem to be calling for war I hope you have thought it through well.
IÆll give you a hypothetical scenario
Let say the Gallente and Caldari go to war with each other and lets say the Caldari won and in gaining this victory lets assume they lost 50% of there fleet.
They now have to control twice as many systems with half of what they needed to control the state while at peace but now you have Gallente resistance fighters to contend with which in all possibility would be being supplied and aided buy the Minmatar thus tying up the bulk of you remaining forceÆs in you newly occupied systems.
The question you have to ask how safe do you think the Caldari in there weakened state would be from Amar religious Zealots wanting to reclaim you. Because they did this to the Minmatar when their homeworld was in a state of chaos and there forces where weakened.
War might be inevitable as some claim but also think of the results
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:24:00 -
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I think CONCORD is completely neutral. Hell, they'd rather sit around and watch all the empires annhilate each other, just so they could be the reigning power when the dust settled.
Even if they did come down on the side of the Federation and the Republic, I STILL think they'd lose. They have no economic or population base at ALL. They exist purely by recruiting from the empires and pay for themselves through a combination of donations from the empires, and taxes that the empires allow the SCC to levy. If the Empires go to war and CONCORD takes sides, they will only get members and funding from the side that they support. Hence, they won't actually be able to help much. The only advantage to that side will be the temporary boost afforded by the equipment that CONCORD has at the time.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Paul Atradiese
Found this in a thread about the same thing
To all those people out there that seem to be calling for war I hope you have thought it through well.
IÆll give you a hypothetical scenario
Let say the Gallente and Caldari go to war with each other and lets say the Caldari won and in gaining this victory lets assume they lost 50% of there fleet.
They now have to control twice as many systems with half of what they needed to control the state while at peace but now you have Gallente resistance fighters to contend with which in all possibility would be being supplied and aided buy the Minmatar thus tying up the bulk of you remaining forceÆs in you newly occupied systems.
The question you have to ask how safe do you think the Caldari in there weakened state would be from Amar religious Zealots wanting to reclaim you. Because they did this to the Minmatar when their homeworld was in a state of chaos and there forces where weakened.
War might be inevitable as some claim but also think of the results
There is a problem with this ideas: Quote:
They now have to control twice as many systems with half of what they needed to control the state while at peace
The State already has many, many times more resources than it needs to control the State. We have enough to go around.
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Excalibus
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Slaveabuser
Caldari because they are allied with Amarr.
Pffft, filthy Gallente-Minmatar's.
but arnt Gallantes allied with Minmatar? hence the Mamoth?
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Sharcy
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Excalibus
but arnt Gallantes allied with Minmatar?
Your point? It will only be a matter of time before the Minmatar realize the Gallente are trying to re-make them into slaves to do their fighting for them, which will cause a split, which will leave the Gallente to fight for themselves, which they'll loose, which will leave the Minmatar on their own to be put in their rightful place once more... at the bottom of the food chain! 
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Nightsight
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:50:00 -
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Caldari will win due to over 50% of Pod pilots being Caldari (will be even more caldari after the new bloodlines are added)
However, Gallente will be the real victors, as all the other races are just jealous of their opulence and will be corrupted by it once they have the upper hand...resistance is futile, we will all be assimilated
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:57:00 -
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Caldari will lose... Why? Because I just bought their invasion plans. Stupid greedy monkeys.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:57:00 -
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would the jove declare open warfare on whoever looks to be winning simply to maintain the balance of power
Dont forget sub factions - NPC pirate factions and the 0.0 regions
Calderi are the business state (they could afford to pay pirates to attack the amarr)
The minmatar have the slave vitec antedote - they could drop it leading to massive amarr slave revolts - which would weaken the amarr state
Minmatar would be able to hold their own in an alliance with the gallente. How would the sansha - blood raiders - guristas and others respond as wel - would concord be dissolved and pilots head back to their empire links. Would concord decide to use its business resources to carve out a chunk of territory
Would new systems be discovered perhaps previoulsy undiscovered human colonies - or perhaps a 6th race that was settled through the eve gate but perhaps was very far from the new eden system and remained outside discovered space
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Excalibus
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:02:00 -
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can caldari race or any member race defect? I prefere Amarr ships
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:04:00 -
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They won't fight. They dock at the next pub, comfort eachother and tell stories about nerfed missiles and drones. ( Maybe noticing, that some Minnis and Amarrians are already sitting on another table for other reasons. ) 
Sorry.
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SunSzu
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: SunSzu on 06/01/2006 12:08:03
Let me tell you that the NUMBER of Caldari pod pilots is truly irrelevant to who would win a war...
I played WoW extensively and on nearly every server, the Alliance outnumbered the Horde. Yet the Horde nearly always reigned supreme in PvP conflicts. The main theory about WHY this is is that the Alliance attracts a lot of casual players and younger players, whereas the Horde had older and more mature players, who were better at PvP. I can't prove this, but the results were staggering... I've seen 10 Alliance players charge a location guarded by 5 Horde players and get defeated time and time again. There's something to be said for mature, hardcore gamer.
So the fact that there are more Caldari does NOT mean that the QUALITY of the Caldari pod pilots is better. I think it'd be a very interesting war. Somehow I doubt there's a lot of hardcore PvP'ers on the Gallente-side either.
Anyway, I'm not speculating on who would win a war, my point is only this: Superior numbers mean almost NOTHING in a game such as this.
-Sun Szu
P.S. Yes, I know this isn't WoW, but I'm certain that the principles are the same. Having more people merely means that the Caldari are home to the less hardcore gamers.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nightsight
However, Gallente will be the real victors, as all the other races are just jealous of their opulence and will be corrupted by it once they have the upper hand...resistance is futile, we will all be assimilated
Bad Citizen! Bad, bad Citizen!
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Originally by: Noriath
Caldari will lose... Why? Because I just bought their invasion plans. Stupid greedy monkeys.
They were fake. But we're willing to sell you the real ones. Really, we are.
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Kaliesin
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:13:00 -
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This would get messy, saying 50% of players are Caldari, so Caldari will win is wrong, tell me in the game just how many Caldari would leave there multi-racial corps etc to go fight for the Caldari. You are more likely to see the bulk of the player core leave Empire, if by staying they get conscripted. Now this leaving might mean low sec where the empire can't police now, 0.0 or the game full stop.
I am worried about this meta game slide to war in that the players are not driving it.
The current problems whereby missions for one hit your standings with another is already a serious potential problem for multi-race corps and I don't see forced patriotism/racism as enhancing my gameplay.
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Wanoah on 06/01/2006 12:15:28
Caldari have the I win button. 'Bout time they were nerfed, I reckon.
The problem the Caldari have is that they have to import food. A half-decent blockade would kill off half their population. As for being allied to Amarr, well, we know what they are like. The first sign of weakness from the State and they'd be in there reclaiming and enslaving everyone. However, the Amarr aren't the great power everyone thinks they are. The Empire is in crisis. They don't have an Emperor, and for it to be taking so long to get a new one can only mean that the squabbles between the big families are crippling the government. With the threat of insorum being used on their planets (remember Mabnen?), they have all sorts of problems.
If the Caldari did look like getting the upper hand, then the Gallente would probably be forced to use their OMGH4X!!! Wasp drones in retaliation.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Wanoah
The problem the Caldari have is that they have to import food. A half-decent blockade would kill off half their population.
I think you actually completely made that up in Barriers. I don't remember reading that anywhere in the PF.
Originally by: Wanoah
If the Caldari did look like getting the upper hand, then the Gallente would probably be forced to use their OMGH4X!!! Wasp drones in retaliation.
And then the Jovians will step in and say "YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT!" and vaporize them all for breaking The Rules.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:17:00 -
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If caldari and gallente goes to war the griefers will win and CCP will lose.
Such an act will be a rallying call for all griefers to head into 1.0 to kill off as many of the oponents there as possible leading to a great exodus of people, many will move to amarr or minmatar chars but a large number will simply quit.
If the war is taken care of in a way so that people who want to fight can and civilians can be kept out of it it will be another matter.
In that situation there would be a great fight with the winner probably being caldari as I think there are more PvP players of caldari race as their ships tend to be more PvP oriented.
Naturally people will not be using purely caldari ships on the caldari side or galente ships on the galente side but I still think there are more caldari PvP chars out there then there are gelente ones.
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:17:00 -
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Quote:
I think you actually completely made that up in Barriers. I don't remember reading that anywhere in the PF.
Not made up. Inferred from a variety of sources.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:18:00 -
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Good pvp corps tend to have less caldari then average, and more gallente. Check what BS's bob uses most in combat for example. You can see that statistic on our killboards.
Something tells that's not gonna show much good for the Caldari State.
Morally, technologically, and in terms of leadership the gallente are obviously superior. I mean, we still use remote controlled toys to do damage, allow any kind of depravation one can think of inside our federation, and
have functioned well enough for the last year without an official president How can we not win ?
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Good pvp corps tend to have less caldari then average, and more gallente. Check what BS's bob uses most in combat for example. You can see that statistic on our killboards.
From what I heard, the recent tournament pretty much displayed the Raven and the Eagle dominating.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2006.01.06 13:07:00 -
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ôGallente with technology superior to the Caldari? Boy you've got some reading to do... ö
Considering Caldari are not even masters of there own techonlgy (thinking of shields) I would say yes Gallente do have the superior technology. Just look who has all the best ship shield records. ItÆs Gallante. They are the leaders of shields and amour tanking. Then there are ships like the Dominix the most versatile battleships known.
ôMost of the playerbase is Caldari. So they will have the numbers to use Scorps to Jam every gallente ship, and still have ships left over.ö
From a storyline and roleplay point of few the player base are POD pilots who make up an extremely small number of the population. Pod pilots make up around about 100,000 pilots. While each empireÆs full military will have millions if not a lot more.
As for those saying Bob or other alliance would win well they are tiny compared to the empireÆs military.
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Shadow Cypher
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Posted - 2006.01.06 13:45:00 -
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What might be good, is using a war to introduce new Jovian elements to EVE.
A sort've two weeks of blowing the hell out of eachother (Caldari ftw :P) then Jove stepping in and calling a treaty or something (or just wiping out all forces in a certain region, halting the war :P)
Could see some interesting things!
But in reply to the thread... Caldari > Gallante
Gallante being decended from the "French Surrender Monkeys", Caldari just show up and win by default :D
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.06 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
Just look who has all the best ship shield records. ItÆs Gallante.
I've heard you like to passive-tank your Dominix, but what shield-related "record" does it actually hold? I have trouble believing that you could ever shield-tank a Dominix better than a Scorpion or Raven.
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Serpensis
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Posted - 2006.01.06 13:52:00 -
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Who will win? Those who build ships 
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Buzzmong
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Posted - 2006.01.06 14:07:00 -
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You're all forgetting something: The Gallente are decendants from the French.
It'll be white flags at dawn people, leaving the Minmatar to get crushed.
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