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Syrec
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:27:00 -
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*This is all speculation and BSing around. Thread not based on fact*
Who do you think will win if Caldari and Gallente go to war? Somehow I think there will be lots of stations where a bunch of gallente are hiding inside surrounded by Caldari missle boats. Players don't usually pick Caldari to be scientists. Maybe we can research them to death. 
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Nukeitall
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:29:00 -
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Edited by: Nukeitall on 06/01/2006 07:29:48
Early wins for Caldari, but Gallente pulls it out and scores an upset using superior technology/luck. Ends in a stalemate and or forced settlement.
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Vendrin
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:29:00 -
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I don't think either will win. Eventually another peace between the empires will be established or all the empires will be shells off their former selves and alliances are the big players.
By the end of the big war no one empire will be on top of all the others.
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Syrec
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:42:00 -
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Very nice Nukeitall, I tend to agree with your theory.
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Ayla Vanir
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:43:00 -
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Early wins for Gallente, but Caldari pulls it out and scores an upset using superior technology/luck. Ends in a stalemate and or forced settlement.
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:44:00 -
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Caldari because they are allied with Amarr.
Pffft, filthy Gallente-Minmatar's.
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Originally by: Eris Discordia:As a minmatar I have to say I'm Amarr property.
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Saeris Tal'Urduar
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:46:00 -
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Well it comes down to funding.
Truth of the matter is-the Gallente state funded pron industry is bigger than all the Caldari mega corps put together.
About hurting a individual Gallentes income? Well every Gallente female is a ready made ***** waiting for her first client.
I'm sure the Amarrian Empire would welcome such a driven and militaristic society.
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subvert
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:52:00 -
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Edited by: subvert on 06/01/2006 07:53:47
Originally by: Saeris Tal'Urduar
Well every Gallente female is a ready made ***** waiting for her first client.
 scuse me?
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:53:00 -
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Here are the faction layouts:
Block 1: Gallente Federation, Minmatar Republic, ORE?
Block 2: Caldari State, Amarr Empire, Mordu's Legion, Khanid Kingdom, Ammatar Mandate, Intaki Syndicate, Thukker Tribe
Who do YOU think will win?
Just to explain, Mordu's Legion is with Bloc 2 because they love the Caldari State, the Khanid Kingdom because they like both the Caldari State and the Amarr Empire, the Ammatar Mandate because they like the Amarr Empire, the Intaki Syndicate because they don't like the Gallente Federation, and the Thukker Tribe because they don't like the Minmatar Republic.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.06 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nukeitall
Edited by: Nukeitall on 06/01/2006 07:29:48
...Gallente pulls it out and scores an upset using superior technology/luck.
Gallente with technology superior to the Caldari? Boy you've got some reading to do...
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2006.01.06 08:05:00 -
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If the Caldari Navy uses precision missiles, then its pretty obvious.
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2006.01.06 08:26:00 -
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caldari will win, because mining lasers doesnt hurt
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Mamarto
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Posted - 2006.01.06 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Here are the faction layouts:
Block 1: Gallente Federation, Minmatar Republic, ORE?
Block 2: Caldari State, Amarr Empire, Mordu's Legion, Khanid Kingdom, Ammatar Mandate, Intaki Syndicate, Thukker Tribe
Who do YOU think will win?
Just to explain, Mordu's Legion is with Bloc 2 because they love the Caldari State, the Khanid Kingdom because they like both the Caldari State and the Amarr Empire, the Ammatar Mandate because they like the Amarr Empire, the Intaki Syndicate because they don't like the Gallente Federation, and the Thukker Tribe because they don't like the Minmatar Republic.
The Thukkers only disagree with the Republic government, they still consider themselves Minmatar and even share tchnology with the rest of the Minmatar (The Vagabond is a Thukker design I believe).
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2006.01.06 08:34:00 -
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Caldari prime is going to be liberated from the gallente oppressors in Kali, just wait.
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.01.06 08:36:00 -
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Edited by: MysticNZ on 06/01/2006 08:37:15
I think when all hell breaks loose is when we are going to see Jove step in and stop/end the war.
There is a reason CPP have not put Jove in the game yet... a reason why that space is blocked off... they have a bigger part to play.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2006.01.06 08:36:00 -
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Caldari wins cause they got Jim Raynor, nuff said.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2006.01.06 08:44:00 -
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This will never happen, DEVs won't allow it.
Caldari chars = 1/2 player base, the other half is divided by other races.
We have the numbers (Wrong story wise) and the technology (at least story wise).
If this was planned to happen, when CCP launched EVE they should had put somekind of a limit on the Caldari char creation and put them with somekind of technological advantage.
Now its all too late.
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Azia Burgi
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Posted - 2006.01.06 08:45:00 -
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Caldari will win on sheer numbers. And i'm not just saying that because I am Caldari.
isn't 50% of the eve population Caldari?
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Aenigma
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Posted - 2006.01.06 08:46:00 -
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Gallente will not lose because all those drones cause tremendous lag, which lead to node crashes
The Minmatar won't lose because they have a massive supply of ducttape.
Therefore, it's either a stalemate or the Gallente/Minmatar will win
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.01.06 08:46:00 -
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nah the Joves will step in and break it up... or the'll keep it stalemated so all the empires keep fighting each other until their too weak and then they invade and replace concord.
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Sirilonwe
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Posted - 2006.01.06 08:50:00 -
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Gallente will win. They'll use frigates and drones against our torpedoes raven.
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2006.01.06 08:53:00 -
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I would suggest that owners of T2 Missile BPO's will be the ultimate winners. Closely followed by producers of 425 2's.
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Alts : The forum equivalent of a WCS ?
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2006.01.06 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sirilonwe
Gallente will win. They'll use frigates and drones against our torpedoes raven.
And despite how much they get asswhooped, the Caldari will whine whine whine and not even think about countering these frigs and drones with ships made for those tasks.
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BrerLapin
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Posted - 2006.01.06 09:06:00 -
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& we all know that the Jovians love the Caldari ;D
But let us not forget that at the first sign of a fight thousand year old DNA will kick in & the Gallente will capitulate with only a minor fight using snowballs from last christmas.
When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.06 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mamarto
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Here are the faction layouts:
Block 1: Gallente Federation, Minmatar Republic, ORE?
Block 2: Caldari State, Amarr Empire, Mordu's Legion, Khanid Kingdom, Ammatar Mandate, Intaki Syndicate, Thukker Tribe
Who do YOU think will win?
Just to explain, Mordu's Legion is with Bloc 2 because they love the Caldari State, the Khanid Kingdom because they like both the Caldari State and the Amarr Empire, the Ammatar Mandate because they like the Amarr Empire, the Intaki Syndicate because they don't like the Gallente Federation, and the Thukker Tribe because they don't like the Minmatar Republic.
The Thukkers only disagree with the Republic government, they still consider themselves Minmatar and even share tchnology with the rest of the Minmatar (The Vagabond is a Thukker design I believe).
Alright, just to give you the benefit of the doubt, I'll give you the Thukkers. I'll even put ORE solidly on yours side.
Bloc 1: Gallente Federation, Minmatar Republic, Thukker Tribe, ORE
Block 2: Caldari State, Amarr Empire, Mordu's Legion, Khanid Kingdom, Ammatar Mandate, Intaki Syndicate
Do you think Bloc 1 has a chance NOW?
Originally by: BrerLapin
& we all know that the Jovians love the Caldari ;D
But let us not forget that at the first sign of a fight thousand year old DNA will kick in & the Gallente will capitulate with only a minor fight using snowballs from last christmas.
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.01.06 10:12:00 -
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That grouping doesn't make any sense. Just because Intaki dislike the Federation scum does not mean they'd ally with the likes of Amarr.. And the Khanid and Amarr are still each others enemies. Defecting from the empire and setting up your own little state is not something that you forget overnight.
There are many conflicts on many fronts, and all factions put their own self interest first. Its a bit like the start of the first world war, Franz Ferdinand = Emperor Doriam II and the story goes from there.
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Joe
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Posted - 2006.01.06 10:15:00 -
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Gallente would never have a chance.
ECM is the most powerfull weapon in the game, forget the 'drones vs missles'. If the Caldari Navy is using Scorpians (or Rooks) then all the fights are going to be terriably one sided.
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lollerskates
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Posted - 2006.01.06 10:33:00 -
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Raven vs Megathron... You already know what wins. However mabye by then CCP will break hybrids and they will ADD cap instead of taking it, then Gallente might have a chance.
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MuffinsRevenger
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Posted - 2006.01.06 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Joe
Gallente would never have a chance.
ECM is the most powerfull weapon in the game, forget the 'drones vs missles'. If the Caldari Navy is using Scorpians (or Rooks) then all the fights are going to be terriably one sided.
the fighting will also be quite amusing
caldari prime is close to caldari space to, easy target
and concerning populations, navy's dossen't have annything to do with pod pilots :D
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.06 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild
Just because Intaki dislike the Federation scum does not mean they'd ally with the likes of Amarr..
The Syndicate has the Federation set to -6.00. Meanwhile, they haven't set ANY standing towards the Empire, so they have no reason NOT to ally with them.
Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild
And the Khanid and Amarr are still each others enemies. Defecting from the empire and setting up your own little state is not something that you forget overnight.
Apparently after six hundred years, and after the Khanids became the Amarrians main way of trading with the rest of the world...yes, you do forget it. They have the Kingdom set to 0.50. It's not very positive, but it's not at ALL negative. Meanwhile, the Khanids have the Empire, State, and Mordu's Legion all set to 6.00.
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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2006.01.06 10:47:00 -
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Lets throw in a couple of realistic idea's, People have pritty much got it right that numbers wise.
The jove issue, don't simply think because the jove have had dealings with the caldari that they'll be on their side there info gathers and don't involve themselves in political arguments of the otherempires. oh and rember that incident where ammar tried to invade them.. and guess what the ammars now allying with caldari think the jove are going to perceive the ammar - caldari alliance as a threat to them been on their doorstep. Though there more likely to play spy's for both sides of the conflict.
And the one thing you've all forgotten... concord... which have been less than freindly with the ammar recently which i think will put them squarely on the gallente mimmatar side of the fence.
I can just see it now.. concord tech been handed out to gallente mimattar citizens purrrrrrr.
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Kilo Paskaa
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Posted - 2006.01.06 10:51:00 -
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Im not sure about winning side, but im sure that first looter after big battle will be me .
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Kefra
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Posted - 2006.01.06 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Slaveabuser
Caldari because they are allied with Amarr.
Pffft, filthy Gallente-Minmatar's.
Lets just say it how it is. The Amarr win.
There is nothing to fear in death, for no one has come back to complain about it.
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Thecle Vifargent
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Posted - 2006.01.06 10:58:00 -
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There is only things to lose in a war, nothing to win...
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Rafein
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:13:00 -
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Caldari.
Most of the playerbase is Caldari. So they will have the numbers to use Scorps to Jam every gallente ship, and still have ships left over.
Once cannot win if one cannot fight.
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Gardavil
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Syrec
*This is all speculation and BSing around. Thread not based on fact*
Who do you think will win if Caldari and Gallente go to war? Somehow I think there will be lots of stations where a bunch of gallente are hiding inside surrounded by Caldari missle boats. Players don't usually pick Caldari to be scientists. Maybe we can research them to death.
BoB will win.
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Paul Atradiese
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:23:00 -
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Found this in a thread about the same thing
To all those people out there that seem to be calling for war I hope you have thought it through well.
IÆll give you a hypothetical scenario
Let say the Gallente and Caldari go to war with each other and lets say the Caldari won and in gaining this victory lets assume they lost 50% of there fleet.
They now have to control twice as many systems with half of what they needed to control the state while at peace but now you have Gallente resistance fighters to contend with which in all possibility would be being supplied and aided buy the Minmatar thus tying up the bulk of you remaining forceÆs in you newly occupied systems.
The question you have to ask how safe do you think the Caldari in there weakened state would be from Amar religious Zealots wanting to reclaim you. Because they did this to the Minmatar when their homeworld was in a state of chaos and there forces where weakened.
War might be inevitable as some claim but also think of the results
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:24:00 -
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I think CONCORD is completely neutral. Hell, they'd rather sit around and watch all the empires annhilate each other, just so they could be the reigning power when the dust settled.
Even if they did come down on the side of the Federation and the Republic, I STILL think they'd lose. They have no economic or population base at ALL. They exist purely by recruiting from the empires and pay for themselves through a combination of donations from the empires, and taxes that the empires allow the SCC to levy. If the Empires go to war and CONCORD takes sides, they will only get members and funding from the side that they support. Hence, they won't actually be able to help much. The only advantage to that side will be the temporary boost afforded by the equipment that CONCORD has at the time.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Paul Atradiese
Found this in a thread about the same thing
To all those people out there that seem to be calling for war I hope you have thought it through well.
IÆll give you a hypothetical scenario
Let say the Gallente and Caldari go to war with each other and lets say the Caldari won and in gaining this victory lets assume they lost 50% of there fleet.
They now have to control twice as many systems with half of what they needed to control the state while at peace but now you have Gallente resistance fighters to contend with which in all possibility would be being supplied and aided buy the Minmatar thus tying up the bulk of you remaining forceÆs in you newly occupied systems.
The question you have to ask how safe do you think the Caldari in there weakened state would be from Amar religious Zealots wanting to reclaim you. Because they did this to the Minmatar when their homeworld was in a state of chaos and there forces where weakened.
War might be inevitable as some claim but also think of the results
There is a problem with this ideas: Quote:
They now have to control twice as many systems with half of what they needed to control the state while at peace
The State already has many, many times more resources than it needs to control the State. We have enough to go around.
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Excalibus
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Slaveabuser
Caldari because they are allied with Amarr.
Pffft, filthy Gallente-Minmatar's.
but arnt Gallantes allied with Minmatar? hence the Mamoth?
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Sharcy
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Excalibus
but arnt Gallantes allied with Minmatar?
Your point? It will only be a matter of time before the Minmatar realize the Gallente are trying to re-make them into slaves to do their fighting for them, which will cause a split, which will leave the Gallente to fight for themselves, which they'll loose, which will leave the Minmatar on their own to be put in their rightful place once more... at the bottom of the food chain!
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Nightsight
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:50:00 -
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Caldari will win due to over 50% of Pod pilots being Caldari (will be even more caldari after the new bloodlines are added)
However, Gallente will be the real victors, as all the other races are just jealous of their opulence and will be corrupted by it once they have the upper hand...resistance is futile, we will all be assimilated
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:57:00 -
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Caldari will lose... Why? Because I just bought their invasion plans. Stupid greedy monkeys.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:57:00 -
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would the jove declare open warfare on whoever looks to be winning simply to maintain the balance of power
Dont forget sub factions - NPC pirate factions and the 0.0 regions
Calderi are the business state (they could afford to pay pirates to attack the amarr)
The minmatar have the slave vitec antedote - they could drop it leading to massive amarr slave revolts - which would weaken the amarr state
Minmatar would be able to hold their own in an alliance with the gallente. How would the sansha - blood raiders - guristas and others respond as wel - would concord be dissolved and pilots head back to their empire links. Would concord decide to use its business resources to carve out a chunk of territory
Would new systems be discovered perhaps previoulsy undiscovered human colonies - or perhaps a 6th race that was settled through the eve gate but perhaps was very far from the new eden system and remained outside discovered space
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Excalibus
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:02:00 -
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can caldari race or any member race defect? I prefere Amarr ships
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:04:00 -
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They won't fight. They dock at the next pub, comfort eachother and tell stories about nerfed missiles and drones. ( Maybe noticing, that some Minnis and Amarrians are already sitting on another table for other reasons. )
Sorry.
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: SunSzu on 06/01/2006 12:08:03
Let me tell you that the NUMBER of Caldari pod pilots is truly irrelevant to who would win a war...
I played WoW extensively and on nearly every server, the Alliance outnumbered the Horde. Yet the Horde nearly always reigned supreme in PvP conflicts. The main theory about WHY this is is that the Alliance attracts a lot of casual players and younger players, whereas the Horde had older and more mature players, who were better at PvP. I can't prove this, but the results were staggering... I've seen 10 Alliance players charge a location guarded by 5 Horde players and get defeated time and time again. There's something to be said for mature, hardcore gamer.
So the fact that there are more Caldari does NOT mean that the QUALITY of the Caldari pod pilots is better. I think it'd be a very interesting war. Somehow I doubt there's a lot of hardcore PvP'ers on the Gallente-side either.
Anyway, I'm not speculating on who would win a war, my point is only this: Superior numbers mean almost NOTHING in a game such as this.
-Sun Szu
P.S. Yes, I know this isn't WoW, but I'm certain that the principles are the same. Having more people merely means that the Caldari are home to the less hardcore gamers.
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nightsight
However, Gallente will be the real victors, as all the other races are just jealous of their opulence and will be corrupted by it once they have the upper hand...resistance is futile, we will all be assimilated
Bad Citizen! Bad, bad Citizen!
/me hits Nightsight on the head with a rolled-up newspaper
Originally by: Noriath
Caldari will lose... Why? Because I just bought their invasion plans. Stupid greedy monkeys.
They were fake. But we're willing to sell you the real ones. Really, we are.
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Kaliesin
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:13:00 -
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This would get messy, saying 50% of players are Caldari, so Caldari will win is wrong, tell me in the game just how many Caldari would leave there multi-racial corps etc to go fight for the Caldari. You are more likely to see the bulk of the player core leave Empire, if by staying they get conscripted. Now this leaving might mean low sec where the empire can't police now, 0.0 or the game full stop.
I am worried about this meta game slide to war in that the players are not driving it.
The current problems whereby missions for one hit your standings with another is already a serious potential problem for multi-race corps and I don't see forced patriotism/racism as enhancing my gameplay.
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Wanoah on 06/01/2006 12:15:28
Caldari have the I win button. 'Bout time they were nerfed, I reckon.
The problem the Caldari have is that they have to import food. A half-decent blockade would kill off half their population. As for being allied to Amarr, well, we know what they are like. The first sign of weakness from the State and they'd be in there reclaiming and enslaving everyone. However, the Amarr aren't the great power everyone thinks they are. The Empire is in crisis. They don't have an Emperor, and for it to be taking so long to get a new one can only mean that the squabbles between the big families are crippling the government. With the threat of insorum being used on their planets (remember Mabnen?), they have all sorts of problems.
If the Caldari did look like getting the upper hand, then the Gallente would probably be forced to use their OMGH4X!!! Wasp drones in retaliation.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Wanoah
The problem the Caldari have is that they have to import food. A half-decent blockade would kill off half their population.
I think you actually completely made that up in Barriers. I don't remember reading that anywhere in the PF.
Originally by: Wanoah
If the Caldari did look like getting the upper hand, then the Gallente would probably be forced to use their OMGH4X!!! Wasp drones in retaliation.
And then the Jovians will step in and say "YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT!" and vaporize them all for breaking The Rules.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:17:00 -
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If caldari and gallente goes to war the griefers will win and CCP will lose.
Such an act will be a rallying call for all griefers to head into 1.0 to kill off as many of the oponents there as possible leading to a great exodus of people, many will move to amarr or minmatar chars but a large number will simply quit.
If the war is taken care of in a way so that people who want to fight can and civilians can be kept out of it it will be another matter.
In that situation there would be a great fight with the winner probably being caldari as I think there are more PvP players of caldari race as their ships tend to be more PvP oriented.
Naturally people will not be using purely caldari ships on the caldari side or galente ships on the galente side but I still think there are more caldari PvP chars out there then there are gelente ones.
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:17:00 -
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Quote:
I think you actually completely made that up in Barriers. I don't remember reading that anywhere in the PF.
Not made up. Inferred from a variety of sources.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:18:00 -
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Good pvp corps tend to have less caldari then average, and more gallente. Check what BS's bob uses most in combat for example. You can see that statistic on our killboards.
Something tells that's not gonna show much good for the Caldari State.
Morally, technologically, and in terms of leadership the gallente are obviously superior. I mean, we still use remote controlled toys to do damage, allow any kind of depravation one can think of inside our federation, and
have functioned well enough for the last year without an official president How can we not win ?
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Good pvp corps tend to have less caldari then average, and more gallente. Check what BS's bob uses most in combat for example. You can see that statistic on our killboards.
From what I heard, the recent tournament pretty much displayed the Raven and the Eagle dominating.
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Posted - 2006.01.06 13:07:00 -
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ôGallente with technology superior to the Caldari? Boy you've got some reading to do... ö
Considering Caldari are not even masters of there own techonlgy (thinking of shields) I would say yes Gallente do have the superior technology. Just look who has all the best ship shield records. ItÆs Gallante. They are the leaders of shields and amour tanking. Then there are ships like the Dominix the most versatile battleships known.
ôMost of the playerbase is Caldari. So they will have the numbers to use Scorps to Jam every gallente ship, and still have ships left over.ö
From a storyline and roleplay point of few the player base are POD pilots who make up an extremely small number of the population. Pod pilots make up around about 100,000 pilots. While each empireÆs full military will have millions if not a lot more.
As for those saying Bob or other alliance would win well they are tiny compared to the empireÆs military.
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Posted - 2006.01.06 13:45:00 -
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What might be good, is using a war to introduce new Jovian elements to EVE.
A sort've two weeks of blowing the hell out of eachother (Caldari ftw :P) then Jove stepping in and calling a treaty or something (or just wiping out all forces in a certain region, halting the war :P)
Could see some interesting things!
But in reply to the thread... Caldari > Gallante
Gallante being decended from the "French Surrender Monkeys", Caldari just show up and win by default :D
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Posted - 2006.01.06 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
Just look who has all the best ship shield records. ItÆs Gallante.
I've heard you like to passive-tank your Dominix, but what shield-related "record" does it actually hold? I have trouble believing that you could ever shield-tank a Dominix better than a Scorpion or Raven.
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Posted - 2006.01.06 13:52:00 -
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Who will win? Those who build ships
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Posted - 2006.01.06 14:07:00 -
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You're all forgetting something: The Gallente are decendants from the French.
It'll be white flags at dawn people, leaving the Minmatar to get crushed.
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Posted - 2006.01.06 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: SunSzu
Edited by: SunSzu on 06/01/2006 12:08:03
Let me tell you that the NUMBER of Caldari pod pilots is truly irrelevant to who would win a war...
I played WoW extensively and on nearly every server, the Alliance outnumbered the Horde. Yet the Horde nearly always reigned supreme in PvP conflicts. The main theory about WHY this is is that the Alliance attracts a lot of casual players and younger players, whereas the Horde had older and more mature players, who were better at PvP. I can't prove this, but the results were staggering... I've seen 10 Alliance players charge a location guarded by 5 Horde players and get defeated time and time again. There's something to be said for mature, hardcore gamer.
So the fact that there are more Caldari does NOT mean that the QUALITY of the Caldari pod pilots is better. I think it'd be a very interesting war. Somehow I doubt there's a lot of hardcore PvP'ers on the Gallente-side either.
Anyway, I'm not speculating on who would win a war, my point is only this: Superior numbers mean almost NOTHING in a game such as this.
-Sun Szu
P.S. Yes, I know this isn't WoW, but I'm certain that the principles are the same. Having more people merely means that the Caldari are home to the less hardcore gamers.
Yeah I was gonna point out the Horde have Shaman which are pretty much the ECM of the WOW world ( I was one I should kno w, Oh yeah & the alliance truly sucked dog ass in PvP I mean seriously).
And I am sorry but Ive yet to experience a nice Gallente, they are in fact the Alliance of the EVE universe.
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Posted - 2006.01.06 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Pottsey
Just look who has all the best ship shield records. ItÆs Gallante.
I've heard you like to passive-tank your Dominix, but what shield-related "record" does it actually hold? I have trouble believing that you could ever shield-tank a Dominix better than a Scorpion or Raven.
Nikolai this is the link to the news item
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Posted - 2006.01.06 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Ralinn on 06/01/2006 14:39:44
Edited by: Ralinn on 06/01/2006 14:38:50
Maybe I'm missing something here, being new to the game and all, but:
1 - POD Pilots supposedly represent a tiny fraction of the empires, right?
2 - POD Pilots can align themselves with whichever state they want, no matter their race, can't they? If thats the case, population of pod pilots would not have much to do with state strength.
Edit: Tech wise it doesn't matter too much either; I don't think I've met anybody yet which focuses on a single race's tech.
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Posted - 2006.01.06 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: TanSpectra on 06/01/2006 14:45:42
Originally by: Noriath
Caldari will lose... Why? Because I just bought their invasion plans. Stupid greedy monkeys.
Whoo hoo made over a Bil this week selling Caldari invasions plans, are these Gallente thick or wot?
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.06 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Paul Atradiese
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Pottsey
Just look who has all the best ship shield records. ItÆs Gallante.
I've heard you like to passive-tank your Dominix, but what shield-related "record" does it actually hold? I have trouble believing that you could ever shield-tank a Dominix better than a Scorpion or Raven.
Nikolai this is the link to the news itemLinkage
It only says that it has the shortest total recharge time, and an excellent passive recharge rate. It doesn't say anything about whether other ships have a better recharge RATE. I imagine that it would be easy to outfit a Scorpion to have a better recharge rate, if not a better total recharge time.
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Posted - 2006.01.06 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Buzzmong
You're all forgetting something: The Gallente are decendants from the French.
It'll be white flags at dawn people, leaving the Minmatar to get crushed.
Actually, the only place they are ever refered to as being of French heritage is in the character creation screen. All other prime fiction (except for the one about the Astrologer) says that the world of Eve is oblivious to of where they came from.
To top it off, the ONE mention ever about the Gallente being originally french also says that nowadays no trace of their French heritage are left. This truly kills your argument.
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Posted - 2006.01.06 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
This truly kills your argument.
I think calling it an "argument" is taking it a bit to seriously. Humor, people, humor!
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Posted - 2006.01.06 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: BrerLapin
Originally by: SunSzu
Edited by: SunSzu on 06/01/2006 12:08:03
Let me tell you that the NUMBER of Caldari pod pilots is truly irrelevant to who would win a war...
I played WoW extensively and on nearly every server, the Alliance outnumbered the Horde. Yet the Horde nearly always reigned supreme in PvP conflicts. The main theory about WHY this is is that the Alliance attracts a lot of casual players and younger players, whereas the Horde had older and more mature players, who were better at PvP. I can't prove this, but the results were staggering... I've seen 10 Alliance players charge a location guarded by 5 Horde players and get defeated time and time again. There's something to be said for mature, hardcore gamer.
So the fact that there are more Caldari does NOT mean that the QUALITY of the Caldari pod pilots is better. I think it'd be a very interesting war. Somehow I doubt there's a lot of hardcore PvP'ers on the Gallente-side either.
Anyway, I'm not speculating on who would win a war, my point is only this: Superior numbers mean almost NOTHING in a game such as this.
-Sun Szu
P.S. Yes, I know this isn't WoW, but I'm certain that the principles are the same. Having more people merely means that the Caldari are home to the less hardcore gamers.
Yeah I was gonna point out the Horde have Shaman which are pretty much the ECM of the WOW world ( I was one I should kno w, Oh yeah & the alliance truly sucked dog ass in PvP I mean seriously).
And I am sorry but Ive yet to experience a nice Gallente, they are in fact the Alliance of the EVE universe.
In WoW, it's also a matter of experience and organization. When you enter the queue for a battleground, as Horde, your wait time is very short. As Alliance, you're waiting twice or more as long. Thus, the Horde players get twice the practice. On top of that, the short wait times mean it's far more likely that the horde will "Join as group", getting everyone organized, groups selected, strategy given, and, of course, the ultimate hack: Teamspeak. An organized teamspeak horde group will always destroy an alliance PuG.
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Posted - 2006.01.06 15:37:00 -
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Aren't we meant to 'choose' sides? I.e. as Pod pilots we are not automatically assumed to be fighting for our birth race's faction. It'd probably go off which factions pilots' standings are inclined towards with maybe some kind of threshold value, say +5.00, above which you are considered to have already 'chosen' the side you are fighting for.
So the number of Caldari (or any race for that matter) Pod pilots in the game really is irrelevant because it would be down to whom works for whom. I'd say the various Empire's Navies can hold off one another, particularly if there comes an alliance between various factions. Gallente-Minmatar would probably not happen if Blaque wins () but assuming that it would: Gallente-Minmatar do have numbers. Whilst the Amarr Empire is the widest spread it does not necessarily hold the largest Navy (and would have to defend a larger area anyway). The Caldari State is small in populace and Navy. However, both Empire and State have technology, specialisation and discipline in military matters. The Gallente have passion and cunning and Minmatar have guerilla tactics and centuries of experience being the underdogs making do with what they have to hand.
I'm not restricting it to just Caldari-Gallente because alliances, political affiliations, the chance to get at your enemies, the chance to profit and of course the chance to carry out your own agenda will always be capitalised upon. I'd bet else (bar the Joves and likely CONCORD and InterBus) would be drawn into it in one way or the other regardless of how hard they initially try to avoid it.
Mordu's Legion, Khanid and Ammatar are comparatively small but are a given to be in on the Amarr-Caldari alliance. by comparison the Thukker/ORE/Intaki issue is hard to gauge. What the Intaki do depends, perhaps, on what happens regarding the Presidential election and what goes on between the Intaki people and the rest of the Federation. The Syndicate is not all the Intaki and just because that division hate the Federation doesn't mean everyone will shove off elsewhere. Maybe things can be smoothed over and they will remain Federation. Maybe they will worsen and the Intaki leave. As for them joining the Amarr-Caldari bloc - looking at where their space is located I can see the difficulties in them maintaining an isolated war front. ORE is not a military outfit and whilst minerals (and logistics in general) fuel a war economy I'm not sure a few mining barges will make that much difference. They used to rely on Mordu's legion for protection until that went sour after all. But maybe they'll find something useful in their little region of space... something Sleeper/Talocan related would be fun! The Thukker would most likely keep well out of it but wouldn't let up for a moment their hatred of slavers.
The pirate factions are unlikely to either join ether alliance side or team up with one another barring the Angels and Serpentis. Those two might tag and give the Gallente-Minmatar side a second front/headache. The Blood Raiders hate the Empire and would love to spread chaos into the Amarr's alliances but have no love for the Minmatar, Gallente or anyone else so they'd be wild cards. Guristas will hound the Caldari every step of the way because it's what they love to do but wouldn't give a flying monkey about the Gallente-Minmatar. The Sansha's Nation are just plain weird and who knows what the heck they'd be up to other than further their own plans for galactic assimilation...
The Sisters of Eve... don't they have a no-violence vow or something? Anyway they'll be at the back of the Gallente-Minmatar healing people. Or something.
The Joves would watch with interest. Perhaps dealing with their own internal struggles as some might wish to step in and influence things one way or the other. Dev toys/plot controllers.
Wow I waffle.
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Posted - 2006.01.06 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Fallout2man on 06/01/2006 15:42:13
Originally by: Syrec
*This is all speculation and BSing around. Thread not based on fact*
Who do you think will win if Caldari and Gallente go to war? Somehow I think there will be lots of stations where a bunch of gallente are hiding inside surrounded by Caldari missle boats. Players don't usually pick Caldari to be scientists. Maybe we can research them to death.
This depends on if you are talking about story-wise or game wise. Story wise there's no real way to tell. The caldari have superior technology and a generally more disciplined and ready military than the gallente but gallente have much larger numbers than the caldari.
Game wise, without any unfair protection, my prediction would largely hinge on what the alliances decide. If they wanted to the alliances could quite easily wipe all the empires off of the map if the devs were to turn off all forms of god mode and infinite-spawns. So this depends on the nature of the war. Odds are the devs wouldn't allow the alliances to do that and would keep god moding at least in part for no reason other than to give some small safe haven for the new players.
Either way though, whatever happens in kali, my prediction is that the success or failure of various empires hinges solely on who the alliances side with. The only way a stalemate will happen is if the alliance power were evenly divided amongst warring empires (unlikely) or the devs used dev powers to force a stalemate (saddly, very likely.)
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Posted - 2006.01.06 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ysolde Xen
The Sansha's Nation are just plain weird and who knows what the heck they'd be up to other than further their own plans for galactic assimilation...
Get Dust Angel in here!
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Posted - 2006.01.06 15:45:00 -
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Oh, and about a war... the Federation will cut off all shipments of Quafe to the Caldari and Amarr. I expect both empires to capitulate and beg for peace within two weeks.
Mmmmm... Quafe...
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Posted - 2006.01.06 15:45:00 -
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In terms of conflict winners, I'd have to give my vote to Bloc 2 (Caldari and Amarr have the upperhand).
However, due to the Minnies' uber duct tape skills even the beautiful Gall ships could be repaired. I think this would certainly prolong the fight a good deal of time. The end result would be a hybrid Gall fleet...imagine a Porche with the front and rear bumpers replaced with those of a Pinto, and the driver and passenger doors of a Honda civic.
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Posted - 2006.01.06 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
nowadays no trace of their French heritage are left.
Rubbish. It's completely obvious, as both are butt ugly...
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Posted - 2006.01.06 15:49:00 -
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Hmm wonder what i will do. Caldari @ birth and Gallante @ heart. Also i only own and fly Gallante ships, with Caldari Frig 4 as my highest Caldari ship skill! :O
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Posted - 2006.01.06 15:52:00 -
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Well my theory is that the empire wars will stop after the Evil Jove Empire try to take advantage of the wars and attacks the Caldari and Minmatars ...
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Ysolde Xen
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Posted - 2006.01.06 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Xuxiang
In terms of conflict winners, I'd have to give my vote to Bloc 2 (Caldari and Amarr have the upperhand).
However, due to the Minnies' uber duct tape skills even the beautiful Gall ships could be repaired. I think this would certainly prolong the fight a good deal of time. The end result would be a hybrid Gall fleet...imagine a Porche with the front and rear bumpers replaced with those of a Pinto, and the driver and passenger doors of a Honda civic.
/me cancels all R&D projects and gets her agents to head up new ones for that Tech II Duct Tape BPO we'll need
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Posted - 2006.01.06 15:58:00 -
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The Caldari Navy is smaller in personnel and total ships
than both the Federation Navy and the Amarr Navy, yet
they have more battleships than any other fleet and the
average age of the Caldari ships is considerably less.
This is because the Caldari are constantly replacing
their oldest ships with newer ones, with better hi-tech
equipment. The strategic doctrine of the Caldari Navy is
simple: to be able to defeat any other navy in the world.
Most experts believe it is.
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The Federation Navy has seen better days, since the
end of the war with the Caldari and the thawing in
relations with the Amarrians the budget for the Navy
has been slashed severely. It still relies on its drone
armada to defeat opponents, but ship wise the Federal
Navy is lacking.
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Posted - 2006.01.06 15:58:00 -
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close range fleet engagement = caldari wins.
long range fleet engagement = gallente wins.
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Posted - 2006.01.06 16:07:00 -
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It is most likely that as the Empires Navies do the fighting that you would have to be part of that corp to take part in a random killings of anything in the hostile Empires Navy.
Also just because the Caldari have the Raven which is a Powerful Anti BS Ship it doesn't mean they instantly have the upper hand. The key to Victory comes from a well rounded fleet, with the Gallentes forming a tough core of the fleet and the Minmatars giving fast attack and hard hitting abilites i can really see them having the more tactically versatile fleet.
Amarr and Caldari are both slow in comparison which gives them a major disadvantage in a Tactical sense such as slower response times to attacks and slower on the offensive.
The last thing i think is that in the case of war i think Amarr and Caldari interests will Clash. The Caldari are highly organised and efficent and they know this, while the Amarr have a much slower chain of command which is very inflexiable yet they also see themselves as superiors and very much doubt they would takes orders from a Caldari while i imagine the Caldari wouldn't be amused by the slow Amarr responses and break downs in orders.
On the other hand the Gallente and Minmatars have a true friendship, the Gallente helped the Minmatars become what they are at the moment and they have less differences in views than the Amarr and Caldari.
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Posted - 2006.01.06 16:22:00 -
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i think from an RP perspective leaving out all the rules of the game itself(remember lore isnt bound by the same rules as game balance is, a well placed torpedo can sink a battleship in stories) the caldari navy is better then the Gallente. however i could see it yet again grinding to a stalemate like the last war. due to the fast light missles of the smaller caldari ships the minnie intercepters would still have a rough day.
our Alliance with the Amarr i think would somehow be erroded from the inside by Jove Agents, as while they whupped the Amarr navy i think the caldari navy poses them a serious threat as our Citadel Torpedos would be as dangerous as their massive lasers
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Posted - 2006.01.06 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Sal''Mari N''yssa on 06/01/2006 16:33:21
The gallante would win, they would team up with the Minmatars using operation (Hide behind the Minies) and unleash a fleet of drones that would be impossible to counter. The Caldari and Amarr would be a sizable force, but so would the mimnatar and gallante, the Gallante have the option to increase there ranks by 10fold using drones. So unless the Caldari and Amarr are 10 times bigger, the gallante would win.
Not to mention this uprising would also uproar the Mimnatar that are still slaves to the Amarr adding to there loss.
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Posted - 2006.01.06 16:45:00 -
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Regardless of who's navy's ships are better, though I am biased towards the Caldari, I think it is more important on how long the can sustain a prolonged assault/invasion. With the massive budget cuts in the Federation Navy I doubt they could withstand or sustain an defense/assault. With the way the Caldari state functions, I asume there are massive stockpiles or factiores just waiting to churn out replacement parts for damaged ships not to mention the fact that most of the Major corporations of the Caldari are weapons manufacturerers as opposed to the fine wartime product of Quafe...
The Amar fleet, if it took massive losses on the scale of their battle with the Jove, would be in trouble as they have so many ships that not most could be repaired in an orderly fashion due to just the sheer ammount of them. If not they could sustain a med length engagement just from the fact that they have ample replacements.
Another question is would they even bother to take and hold planets when all they have to do is hold the gates into a system and just starve them to death as most of the strategic planets cannot sustain themselves, especially the luxury obsessed Gallante. The Amarr world are already used to strict controls of resources so I doubt that would be a problem.
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Posted - 2006.01.06 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: David Sinclair
Oh, and about a war... the Federation will cut off all shipments of Quafe to the Caldari and Amarr. I expect both empires to capitulate and beg for peace within two weeks.
Mmmmm... Quafe...
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Originally by: Logi3
Hmm wonder what i will do. Caldari @ birth and Gallante @ heart. Also i only own and fly Gallante ships, with Caldari Frig 4 as my highest Caldari ship skill! :O
Bad Citizen! Bad, bad Citizen!
/me hits Logi3 with a rolled-up newspaper
Originally by: Antoinette Civari
close range fleet engagement = caldari wins.
long range fleet engagement = gallente wins.
Errr, do you play EVE?
Caldari = Railguns
Gallente = Blasters
Originally by: Sal'Mari N'yssa
The gallante would win, they would team up with the Minmatars using operation (Hide behind the Minies)
Haha you've been watching too much South Park!
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Posted - 2006.01.06 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: David Sinclair on 06/01/2006 17:31:26
Edited by: David Sinclair on 06/01/2006 17:30:49
Originally by: Gorion Wassenar
Regardless of who's navy's ships are better, though I am biased towards the Caldari, I think it is more important on how long the can sustain a prolonged assault/invasion. With the massive budget cuts in the Federation Navy I doubt they could withstand or sustain an defense/assault. With the way the Caldari state functions, I asume there are massive stockpiles or factiores just waiting to churn out replacement parts for damaged ships not to mention the fact that most of the Major corporations of the Caldari are weapons manufacturerers as opposed to the fine wartime product of Quafe...
Don't knock the Quafe, man. The Amarrs capitulated within three days of the Federation cutting of Quafe shipments.
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The Amar fleet, if it took massive losses on the scale of their battle with the Jove, would be in trouble as they have so many ships that not most could be repaired in an orderly fashion due to just the sheer ammount of them. If not they could sustain a med length engagement just from the fact that they have ample replacements.
The Amarri have some serious issues with their military. Tactically, their commanders suck. They refuse to retreat, ever. This means you can just lure them into ambush after ambush. A smarter fleet would tactically retreat and come back in a new formation, but the Amarri can't, because to retreat means execution. The Amarri also need significant forces dedicated to defense and slave control. If they were to dedicate forces to offense, they'd end up with slave rebellions all over the place. Moreover, the Amarri economy is static. Skilled workers are kept in their place, limiting output. Lastly, Gallente and Minmatar are much more likely to fight to the death against the Amarr, since to surrender means slavery. The Caldari, presumably, would simply annex the worlds and the corporations would effectively "hire" the population. While Gallentes would chafe under this control, it's not nearly as bad a life as slavery.
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Another question is would they even bother to take and hold planets when all they have to do is hold the gates into a system and just starve them to death as most of the strategic planets cannot sustain themselves, especially the luxury obsessed Gallante. The Amarr world are already used to strict controls of resources so I doubt that would be a problem.
There are ships large enough to make their own jumps, negating the gate bottleneck. As I understand it, most planets are largely self-sufficient and space trade is not the norm.
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Posted - 2006.01.06 17:39:00 -
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I hope the Gallente doesn't win, although I admit it is a futile hope. After all, it will get rediculous. New New Caldari? Newest Caldari? No thanks.
As for the "blocks" I saw earlier. Don't count on the Khanid and Amarr to help Caldari. Khanid have much stronger bonds to the Caldari than the Amarr do, but Khanid and Amarr are hostile towards each other.
The Mordu's Legion is growing ever weaker.
Never forget the Serpentis. They will not waste a chance to grasp for market shares, but they are not stupid enough to let the Caldari destroy their best markets - the rich Gallenteans. Not to mention that they will certainly loose the valuable markets the Syndicate provides. And this is not even taking into consideration that Serpentis is not very large at all, and is mostly a manufacturer/researcher organization (guarded by Angel Cartel)
And we are also forgetting that not all factions are equal. There's a reason for the Caldari tube children, and it's not a beneficial one.
It is much more likely that an EVE-wide war will split up in different interest wars.
Gallente versus Caldari
Minmatar versus Amarr
Khanid versus Amarr
Minmatar versus Ammatar
Blood Raiders versus (primarily) Amarr
Guristas versus Caldari
And everywhere in between there shall be interest struggles, alliance pacts, and so forth.
Who knows who any of these factions will side with: Thukker Tribe, Sisters of EVE (yeah, yeah), Society of Concious Thought, Jove Empire, CONCORD Assembly (Let's face it, if Caldari jumps into Gallente space, they'll get CONCORDOKKEN).
And I think the player choices will be interesting. However, it must be said that it is a tendency for the smallest faction to have the largest number of players in most games (EVE's case, there's many more Caldari than there really should be).
I have a feeling that the Minmatar will be those left most in the cold by the players.
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Antoinette Civari
close range fleet engagement = caldari wins.
long range fleet engagement = gallente wins.
Errr, do you play EVE?
Caldari = Railguns
Gallente = Blasters
Nah, that's the story. In real EVE, Caldari is weak at long range, while Gallente maintains more firepower through Railguns. You meant if he'd READ EVE story/intentions.
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danneh
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Posted - 2006.01.06 17:41:00 -
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Caldari and Amarr vs Minmatar and Gallente, go Amarr.
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Abram Linco
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Posted - 2006.01.06 18:00:00 -
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One look at the faces of Amarr and Caldari males will tell you they are very very constipated. So while they may make gains initially their constipation will force them all to go home and take laxatives. This leaves the Amarr and Caldari women to fight. Since they will obviously be outnumbered they will begin to lose.
However, the Jovians will step in with a super laxative for the Amarr and Caldari men that will allow them to return to the battlefield. Unfortunately it works too well and fills their capsules with, well, you know.
So, because the Jovians screwed up they'll stop the fighting and force everyone to accept their peace proposal.
Meanwhile, the plumbers of EVE will unionize and make a fortune unclogging the Amarr and Caldari capsule drains of their overload of, uh, stuff. They will become fabulously rich and buy up stock in everything and so will rule the economic EVE universe.
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.01.06 18:10:00 -
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meh, caldari tbh evenj though dont fly their ships any more .. with ecm and good missile skills they can be uber
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside
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Syrec
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Posted - 2006.01.06 18:15:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Antoinette Civari
close range fleet engagement = caldari wins.
long range fleet engagement = gallente wins.
Close range = Domi NOSing drone machine eating Caldari battleships and blasterthrons bbqing everything!
I think the scorps would be the pride of the Caldari Navy. In an even fight, being able to jam cycle multiple enemy ships is croud control, and croud control wins.
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J Valkor
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Posted - 2006.01.06 18:15:00 -
[91]
Don't bring WOW into this. In WOW I was a pally and my friend a warrior and we would tear apart horde in numbers far greater then our own through simple pscyological tricks.
It doesn't change that Caldari will win. The Federation is made up of French.
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Maestro Ulv
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Posted - 2006.01.06 18:28:00 -
[92]
Amarr and Minmatar of course Only one with any ships left.
http://phaze9.moonmanstudio.com/
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2006.01.06 19:03:00 -
[93]
lets see..
Caldari and Amarr vs.
Minmatar and Gallente
HMM?
Gallente doesn't stand a chance. We're taking back our planet!
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"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
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Alex Christensen
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Posted - 2006.01.06 19:12:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Filan
our Alliance with the Amarr i think would somehow be erroded from the inside by Jove Agents, as while they whupped the Amarr navy i think the caldari navy poses them a serious threat as our Citadel Torpedos would be as dangerous as their massive lasers
Well defender missiles will woop your torpedos/missiles.. Nothing can stop a railgun & blaster volley.. Nothing!!
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J Valkor
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Posted - 2006.01.06 19:13:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Syrec
Originally by: Antoinette Civari
close range fleet engagement = caldari wins.
long range fleet engagement = gallente wins.
Close range = Domi NOSing drone machine eating Caldari battleships and blasterthrons bbqing everything!
Caldari have the benefit, especially in the case of the Raven, of not caring too much about capaciter.
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Gaah
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Posted - 2006.01.06 19:52:00 -
[96]
Captain Kirk pwns Captain Picard any day...
Oh, wait... wrong pointless discussion.
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Arthmandar Valikari
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Posted - 2006.01.06 19:53:00 -
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I think with the instability in the Amarr empire right now, that the Amarr are unlikely to magically unite in favor of the Caldari. If a war was suddenly declared between the Gallente and the Caldari, I would assume a majority of the Amarr would side with the Caldari, and a small but vocal minority of the Amarr would side with the Gallenteans, if for no other reason than to oppose their enemies that had sided with the Caldari.
So what you really end up with is
Gallente + Minmatar + some Amarr vs. Caldari + more Amarr
which is much more interesting.
I'm interested in watching the upcoming Amarran civil war with great interest. My big question is whether they'll be left alone to slug it out, or whether the other races / factions will join in the fun.
Given how violent a place Eve is become, I imagine that the latter is much more likely.
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Dust Angel
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Posted - 2006.01.06 20:14:00 -
[98]
You will all batter yourselves to death, the caldari will come out on top by a slim margin, and then you will all serve sansha. The end. No other variation of the truth is accepted past this point.
Stressed out with empire politics?
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Phelan Lore
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Posted - 2006.01.06 20:24:00 -
[99]
Amarr and Caldari will start out winning. Then at a critical battle between Amarr and Minmatar forces the Ammatars will abondon the Amarrians and join forces with the Minmatar republic to cripple the Amarr navy. The Caldaris will seek a peace treaty to avoid being devestated by the remaining Gallente and Minmatar forces.
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Kharakan
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Posted - 2006.01.06 21:05:00 -
[100]
=/ The moment war is declared, the gallente will collapse, because the caldari have Istvaan Shogatsu and the Amarri have Arenis Xemdal - and probably the rest of the GHSC
(although they'd probably end up owning the univoise )
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VantDre
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Posted - 2006.01.06 21:21:00 -
[101]
Edited by: VantDre on 06/01/2006 21:22:44
Social, Political and Economics control wars.
EDIT: I decided to neglect talking bout players,
it changes these situations very little.
mostly because of my arguement,
but indeed the player base would shift Caldari.
Most fractions would get involved,
the pirates at first would pray upon everyone.
ORE is probably the most significant, they
dont want to see war.
So there are still plenty of the other
fractions that would avoid it entirely.
First Concord at first would be a major detterrent.
Its their job, and they have the best & most ships.
Then eventualy they'd break because of the
multi-cultural backgroudn, however they'd still
have very strong supporters through out the war,
We're looking at a galactic war that would
be very simular to the ones that arrived us
at the creation of concord.
Concord would side with Galantee, they would
always want peace.
This would accure in galantee space first I believe.
Caldari would strike first.
Its entirely possible the Minmatar would rise up
in greater numbers, after all they were bred for it,
if Ammarian's even got involved.
Brand new slave pilots flying Megathrons.. would grace
many many planets sky's, with huge artilary banks.
Just as much as Apoc's with missile technology..
All of the fractions wishing to see the status que
continue, maybe even jove, and any of residents even
within the empires on the other side of the war
would side with the galantee.
The Galantee would win from this.
You can't have a force thats going to resist you constantly
eventualy the rebels win simply cause they are unpaid soldiers.
Social change is strong.
Now if the Federation would try to regain caldari as a
colonial type effort, it would fail, and hurt its side
of the war so significantly it would be prolonged,
and cause alot more pain for them.
The loss of life to do such goes against its nature.
Not to mention concord would fall apart and not back them.
Question is how strong is amarian influence within
concord.
It would be like if US switched size and demographics
with the UK and we went back to the revolutionary war.
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Atom HeartMother
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Posted - 2006.01.06 21:23:00 -
[102]
I hope any fighting wouldent be as simple as this. 1v1 kinda thing
some ideas
get the ISD biiger for running lots of events around this
First the kick off mabey a gallante caladri thing while all the otheer empires form pacts and try to stay nutral kinda thing
so evreyones forging relations, Kandid and Mourds form a pact.
an armmar miltry convoy i seen in kanid space chasing minmatar
Kanid mourds atack armmar for these hostilitys
Minmatar get pulled in to fight the caladri with the galante but also atack armmar making armmar atack the galante
and so on so its all confuzaling with the big for in a 2 v 2 but all the lesser factions figting the bigger allances and mabey each other or even some new small forces like private armmies kinda thing
anyway just some food for thought
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2006.01.06 21:59:00 -
[103]
Are you kidding? Jericho Fraction and NAGA would be the ultimate winners! I mean, think about it:
"Hey, the Caldari State wants to order more Crows!"
"Cool, I'll get around to them after I finish this batch of Deimoses for the Federation."
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Apaullo
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Posted - 2006.01.06 22:00:00 -
[104]
The Intaki will win of course!
Once the Gallente and Caldari beat the c&@p out of one another, WE will rise from behind the scenes where we have been lying in wait, and claim what is rightfully ours. The Galaxy!!
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Kraimer
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Posted - 2006.01.06 22:00:00 -
[105]
Caldari will win. Our engines look cooler.
Underpants - ? - Profit.
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Gonada
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Posted - 2006.01.06 22:16:00 -
[106]
It doesn't change that Caldari will win. The Federation is made up of French
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sorry , but it says the French founded it, just like the british empire founded north america.
Democracy is enevitable, youll all come around, wether of your own free will, or by force.
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Taihira
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Posted - 2006.01.06 22:40:00 -
[107]
Who'd win? Easy.
Amarr.
Why?
because gallente/caldari forces will poind each other down to the ground, and be reduced in strength. Amarr will then move on Gallente, and in doing so, will remove the minmatar support... they will then be turned on last, after the caldari/gallente remains are swept up, leaving the amarr in a stalemate against jovian systems
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Syrec
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Posted - 2006.01.06 22:59:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Apaullo
The Intaki will win of course!
Once the Gallente and Caldari beat the c&@p out of one another, WE will rise from behind the scenes where we have been lying in wait, and claim what is rightfully ours. The Galaxy!!
Well of coarse. Afterall, we are the supreme beings of the universe.
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Gythar
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Posted - 2006.01.06 23:05:00 -
[109]
G'Day all,
I have read a number posts in this thread, and I am rather surprised at some of them. The only players that will get "drafted" will be ones that have strong ties to an Empire, such as Caldari Naval Reserve & PIE. Everyone else I think can pick a side, or sit back and watch.
From what I have seen from CCP, I don't think that they will force anyone to join in the war. But I suspect that a number of us will get drawn in my the actions of others.
Remember, while we can affect the game world, there are other things happening in the storyline that will continue, and effect the players. This will be the case until a player controls one or more of the Empires (an unlikely event in the foreseeable future).
To everyone who is in a panic about Kali, just relax, sit back and enjoy what appears to be one very exciting ride.
Cheers,
Gythar
Resident of an Empire :)
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2006.01.06 23:11:00 -
[110]
Imagine this..
1000 caldari BS, 1000 Gallante BS, 5000 Drones...
Caldari start targeting, the 5000 sentry drones shoot...
Caldari locks the targets, 5000 sentry drones shoot...
Caldari EW's half the gallante fleet, 5000 sentry drones shoot...
Caldari launches missiles, 5000 sentry drones shoot...
Caldari fleet starts to pop at exponential rate, 5000 sentry drones shoot...
4 Gallante Titans opens fire at Caldari fleet...
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Posted - 2006.01.06 23:18:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Apaullo
The Intaki will win of course!
Once the Gallente and Caldari beat the c&@p out of one another, WE will rise from behind the scenes where we have been lying in wait, and claim what is rightfully ours. The Galaxy!!
Here here to that!
Intaki reborn in the ashes of war!
P.S. pun intended
P.P.S. if you don't know the pun, you're on the loosing side
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Stogee
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Posted - 2006.01.06 23:23:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Gythar
G'Day all,
I have read a number posts in this thread, and I am rather surprised at some of them. The only players that will get "drafted" will be ones that have strong ties to an Empire, such as Caldari Naval Reserve & PIE. Everyone else I think can pick a side, or sit back and watch.
From what I have seen from CCP, I don't think that they will force anyone to join in the war. But I suspect that a number of us will get drawn in my the actions of others.
Remember, while we can affect the game world, there are other things happening in the storyline that will continue, and effect the players. This will be the case until a player controls one or more of the Empires (an unlikely event in the foreseeable future).
To everyone who is in a panic about Kali, just relax, sit back and enjoy what appears to be one very exciting ride.
Cheers,
Gythar
Resident of an Empire :)
A man who is a member of an empire called "The Penguin Republic" is tellin us to relax? :O You take orders from a senate of penguins?
o O (thinks he should be very very not relaxed!)
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Wolfgang Jager
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Posted - 2006.01.06 23:25:00 -
[113]
I see two options for this:
1) Option One - the outcome is largely scripted by CCP. Whatever impact player actions have will be minimal and the faction that CCP desires to "win" will do so in whatever fashion CCP chooses. (This option includes a largely "inconclusive" war where only a few systems change hands based on local battles)
2) Option Two - pace/scope of the war is largely determined by player actions - either directly by station destruction/capture or indirectly by missions. In this case I see the Caldari state winning simply by number. (Based on previous experience, numbers count for more than anything. Desperately fighting against overwhelming numbers is fun for a night or two...but as the hammering goes on it gets harder and harder to get the "casual" player base out to fight..)
Case one will have little overall impact on the game, except allowing for massive profits by companies providing munitions/ships for the mission runners...
Case two could cause fairly massive disruption in empire space and will result in a lot of piracy. (I can't see condcord enforcing in a war zone...)
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.07 00:55:00 -
[114]
Originally by: David Sinclair
The Amarri have some serious issues with their military. [...] They refuse to retreat, ever. [...] A smarter fleet would tactically retreat and come back in a new formation, but the Amarri can't, because to retreat means execution.
Originally by: David Sinclair
Lastly, Gallente and Minmatar are much more likely to fight to the death against the Amarr, since to surrender means slavery.
Wait, so who's more likely the fight to the death? Amarr or Gallmatar?
Originally by: Arvandor
Don't count on the Khanid and Amarr to help Caldari. Khanid have much stronger bonds to the Caldari than the Amarr do, but Khanid and Amarr are hostile towards each other.
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Apparently after six hundred years, and after the Khanids became the Amarrians main way of trading with the rest of the world...yes, you do forget it. They have the Kingdom set to 0.50. It's not very positive, but it's not at ALL negative. Meanwhile, the Khanids have the Empire, State, and Mordu's Legion all set to 6.00.
Originally by: Arvandor
In real EVE, Caldari is weak at long range, while Gallente maintains more firepower through Railguns. You meant if he'd READ EVE story/intentions.
(A) Harpy
(B) Eagle
(C) Tier 3 Railgun Battleship. soon(tm)
Originally by: Syrec
I think the scorps would be the pride of the Caldari Navy. In an even fight, being able to jam cycle multiple enemy ships is croud control, and croud control wins.
CCP stands for Crowd Control Productions. Just something to think about
Originally by: Alex Christensen
Well defender missiles will woop your torpedos/missiles.. Nothing can stop a railgun & blaster volley.. Nothing!!
Defenders suck. 'nuff said.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.01.07 01:26:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Arvandor
In real EVE, Caldari is weak at long range, while Gallente maintains more firepower through Railguns. You meant if he'd READ EVE story/intentions.
(A) Harpy
(B) Eagle
(C) Tier 3 Railgun Battleship. soon(tm)
A) Lacks punch power
B) Lacks punch power
C) Will lack punch power
They reach further, but they hurt less. And they look really bad, to be honest (join my campaign to get the Gallente Navy to redesign the Dominix, free Quafe with each signature).
Now, those listed are also more of an exception than the rule when it comes to Caldari. Most Caldari ships tend to focus on missiles, or electronic warfare (by the way, the field is getting leveled there soonÖ)
Some theories on the Gallente elections.
Pacifist - Gallente won't start a war, many neutrals will probably come to Gallentean aid, Gallente itself will be weakened. CONCORD Assembly will probably be very sympathetic to the Gallentean cause.
The current Senator - (yes, I only know Foiritan's name) Let's face it. He'll doom the Gallente. Gallente will loose the war the most due to too agressive behaviour, cuite possibly loosing vital allies.
Foiritan - relations with Caldari will improve, unless CCP messes with CDI (or whatever those terrorists were called). Not very likely Gallente-Caldari war will happen, focus will shift to the Amarr and Minmatar front where Gall/Cald will probably be partial neutrals to either side in the struggle.
In the end I will put down the cynical theory:
CCP will make sure the storyline, regardless of how players play the elections or anything, to pit Gallente and Caldari against each other. Some system will be contested systems where players will be able to compete for their different factions in order to shift sovreignty. The un-RPish large Caldari population will make sure the Caldari have a mayority of the sovreign claim.
Most likely will the key 0.0 PvPers side with whichever side is loosing, because this will yield most targets. This means that I see BoB, MC, and a few others, siding with Gallente. This will temporarily swing the balance against the Caldari, until these get bored or has to go away from the idle combat times.
The Caldari Prime will ever be "freed" is most unlikely. CCP will never allow the Gallentean faction to sink back so far. However, mayor land claims will probably not happen until a year from now, most probably more.
I just hope they won't make the contested constallations like WoW battlefields (I forget their true name, nor do I care anymore about WoW).
Quality PvP will always be had from one player faction trying to annihilate another player faction. Those NPC faction PvP opportunities will be sporadic amusement with low quality combat most likely. (There'll probably be lame rules about warping out or yada yada)
So. Which side wanna hire MC? ;)
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Posted - 2006.01.07 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: ErrorS
lets see..
Caldari and Amarr vs.
Minmatar and Gallente
HMM?
Gallente doesn't stand a chance. We're taking back our planet!
You can try....again if you want, personally it is such a **** hole I'm not too worried
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vanBuskirk
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Posted - 2006.01.07 02:36:00 -
[117]
Combat addicts will win, everyone else will lose. Nothing new there.
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2006.01.07 02:56:00 -
[118]
Minmatar are bound to win, no one else can make a BS from a couple of scaffold poles and some garden twine
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2006.01.07 03:17:00 -
[119]
Gallente/minmatar would win. Too many male amarr have hoods so far down their faces they'll hardly see a thing - tachyons randomly beaming out from (and into)the center of the caldari/amarr camp denying many a drone their intended playtoys.
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GouldFish
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Posted - 2006.01.07 03:37:00 -
[120]
I w2ould win because I would give booze to both sides and after they were both drunk I would beat then all. ahahahahahahahahahahahahah
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.07 04:52:00 -
[121]
Originally by: GouldFish
[something]
Are you Stephen J. Gould's pet fish?
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Franken Slammer
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Posted - 2006.01.07 05:09:00 -
[122]
I think ccp will assign 1 system a day to each faction to attack into (and for it to be defended) for factional warfare since there are the 4 main empires, 4 (maybe 5) pirate factions i would estimate on 9 systems with full on silly warfare in each day. I have no idea how new soverignty would be decided (most ships from 1 faction in tht system on average per hour maybe). That woull allow the ebb and flow of war without fecking up the entire of eve. And of course, all teh manufacturers woulld be shovelling in ships into the surrounding systems for the disgruntled pilots :) maybe the empires can put a bounty or point system on enemy faction players when tehy jump into the combat systems based on their sp's or age, only claimable by their faction people.
meh. just a few ideas.
/me predicts rocketting sales in kestrals :P
plus ccp will draw out a lot of isk from pod losses :)
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Alex Christensen
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Posted - 2006.01.07 11:35:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Alex Christensen
Well defender missiles will woop your torpedos/missiles.. Nothing can stop a railgun & blaster volley.. Nothing!!
Defenders suck. 'nuff said.
Yeah but they are still capable of doing so.. And we have drones.. OWNED
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Doomed Predator
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Posted - 2006.01.07 11:48:00 -
[124]
Read the empire navy description.The caldari have the most hi-tech navy now.The gasllente navy is aging but the have a ****load of drones.So i think the first large battle will be won by caldari where their advanced ships will beat the aging dominixes,underpowered thoraxes,etc. into a pulp(mind you, almost no gallentan ship has a launcher slot so no defender missiles).But then the gallente will probably start making more and more drones so i guess caldari will make some progres into gallente space before being puished back by hordes of drones so that the empire borders will become like before the war.Or the gallentans start making super drones which will make them win the war.Or the drones go insane(it did happen once,read cronicles;rogue drones) and start killing the gallentans fro m the inside.
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.01.07 11:54:00 -
[125]
gallente will invent superdrones, that can setupoff doomsday weapons every 5 minutes *5 . sure you can have your precision missiles
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Clipped Wings
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Posted - 2006.01.07 12:25:00 -
[126]
Originally by: TanSpectra
Edited by: TanSpectra on 06/01/2006 14:45:42
Originally by: Noriath
Caldari will lose... Why? Because I just bought their invasion plans. Stupid greedy monkeys.
Whoo hoo made over a Bil this week selling Caldari invasions plans, are these Gallente thick or wot?
Good thing is we make double that daily from you buying Gallente adult entertainment ;) Caldari sex life must be so incredibly boring.
Besides, we have blasters. You don't. We win. Also, we look better.
-Clipped Wings of LFC
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GouldFish
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Posted - 2006.01.07 12:55:00 -
[127]
whoops must not post while drunk.....
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.01.07 13:40:00 -
[128]
LMAO @ thread.
The fun part is we had a little discussion about this subject in corp as well.
Perhaps this 'war' could be implemented into eve as a giant ongoing ingame event, changing a lot of the state of the universe, neutral zones could be erected between the states, perhaps even 0.0 systems. there could be npc fleet incursions as ingame events, where u get called to fight for your side for instance, a caldari fleet invades gallente space and podpilots get called on to fight for their side (with huge risks but also huge bonusses involved) Hm, imo something like this could have great potential in making eve much more interesting 9and hopefully fun) story wise
Prolly would take a lot of planning and i can also see all the whine threads, about people losing connection to the other side, so it should only be a temporary state (say a couple a weeks/months?) and then things should return to 'normal' so to speak. Perhaps as suggested, that is the time the Jovians call out for a cease fire and we get access to their space.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.07 13:43:00 -
[129]
You're not getting your bloody homeworld back. It's ours now.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2006.01.07 14:13:00 -
[130]
ôI've heard you like to passive-tank your Dominix, but what shield-related "record" does it actually hold? I have trouble believing that you could ever shield-tank a Dominix better than a Scorpion or Raven.ö
The records are a 37 second natural shield recharge thatÆs 37 seconds from 0 shield to max shield without a shield booster. But my favourite is 181.5 sustainable HP regen (solo ship) with 0 cap drain. So a 181.5 HP to 0 cap ratio. Try and beat that for HP regen efficiency on a Caldari ship or as an amour tanker.
ThatÆs also not the theoretical max if someone one day gets close to my records I will post my 200HP+ setup.
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Alex Christensen
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Posted - 2006.01.07 16:09:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Clipped Wings
Besides, we have blasters. You don't. We win. Also, we look better.
Couldn't have said it better
Anyway missiles won't do any good against hordes of drones, blasterthron/deimos's and our beloved flying potatoe (spawning the OMFGHAX drone).. and did I mention the b-e-a-utiful enyo??
Lay down your guns.. - Love and peace or else.. Caldari scums
Qaufe is dying.. Time to introduce Carlsberg as a new Gallente brand
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.07 19:36:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Alex Christensen
Originally by: Alex Christensen
Well defender missiles will woop your torpedos/missiles.. Nothing can stop a railgun & blaster volley.. Nothing!!
Defenders suck. 'nuff said.
Yeah but they are still capable of doing so.. And we have drones.. OWNED
Good luck hitting me with drones from 150km away.
Also, have fun shooting a torp with a single defender, you're in for a nasty suprise.
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2006.01.07 19:40:00 -
[133]
Quote:
Good luck hitting me with drones from 150km away.
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I can do it now already, can I have a cookie? Or do I install another drone tracking link and waste you from 200km?
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Meeko Gloom
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Posted - 2006.01.07 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: David Sinclair
Oh, and about a war... the Federation will cut off all shipments of Quafe to the Caldari and Amarr. I expect both empires to capitulate and beg for peace within two weeks.
Mmmmm... Quafe...
yea no more pleasure hub either
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Alex Christensen
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Posted - 2006.01.08 12:04:00 -
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Good luck hitting me with drones from 150km away.
Also, have fun shooting a torp with a single defender, you're in for a nasty suprise.
No problem m8! I'll just place my ship some 6km from your pitty Raven and say:
"Say hello to my little friends.." OWNED
and btw: Quafe will own all enemies.. they have put a very adictive drug in all Qaufe products sold to the other empires.. so without Quafe you're all dead
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2006.01.08 20:31:00 -
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The amarr.
Remind me about The Maze.
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Meeko Gloom
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Posted - 2006.01.08 20:31:00 -
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this sums up the outcome
Linkage
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JoKane
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Posted - 2006.01.08 20:41:00 -
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Team Caldari: Caldari, Amarr and Jove.
Team Gallente: Gallente and Minmatar.
Nuff said.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2006.01.08 20:42:00 -
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Amarr would win. The End.
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Zikke
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Posted - 2006.01.08 20:54:00 -
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What a dumb question, Gallente would win of course!
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Gorion Wassenar
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Posted - 2006.01.09 09:28:00 -
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But is the Federation even capable of researching new drones? I don't think so with it's budgets slashed as they are. This war isn't so much about the ships but who can sustain a war. The gallante economy isn't prepaired for mass weapon production while the Caldari is just waiting, if it isn't already doing it. Also what is to stop Caldari ships from using drones as well? Nothing. From using Blasters? Nothing. Even so, most of the new ship bonuses have to do with prolonging the ability of Caldari ships to remain in the engagement. Which is a heavly important factor in warfare.
As for the new sentry drones, how strong are they? Can they even take 1 cruise missle? What will you do when all your long range drones are gone? Leave and get more while the Caldari take the field?
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Ukucia
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Posted - 2006.01.09 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: JoKane
Team Caldari: Caldari, Amarr and Jove.
Why would the Jove ally with the Amarr? The Amarr invaded the Jove Empire recently. They don't like the Amarr much.
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Ukucia
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Posted - 2006.01.09 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Gorion Wassenar
But is the Federation even capable of researching new drones? I don't think so with it's budgets slashed as they are. This war isn't so much about the ships but who can sustain a war. The gallante economy isn't prepaired for mass weapon production while the Caldari is just waiting, if it isn't already doing it.
The economic situation you describe is exactly like the Germans and allies just before WWII. The Germans were smaller, but with much better technology, a better-trained military and an economy rigged for war production. As the Germans discovered, war economies are really not that hard to set up when war starts.
Already being on a war footing gives an initial advantage to the Caldari (Germans), but the larger Gallente (US) economy would quickly switch to a war-footing, and be able to win through sheer production power. If the Raven (Panzer) is 3x better than a Mega (Sherman), it will still lose when facing 8 of them.
(Note: Economic parallel to Germans does not imply any ideological parallel)
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Gythar
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Posted - 2006.01.09 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Stogee
Originally by: Gythar
G'Day all,
I have read a number posts in this thread, and I am rather surprised at some of them. The only players that will get "drafted" will be ones that have strong ties to an Empire, such as Caldari Naval Reserve & PIE. Everyone else I think can pick a side, or sit back and watch.
From what I have seen from CCP, I don't think that they will force anyone to join in the war. But I suspect that a number of us will get drawn in my the actions of others.
Remember, while we can affect the game world, there are other things happening in the storyline that will continue, and effect the players. This will be the case until a player controls one or more of the Empires (an unlikely event in the foreseeable future).
To everyone who is in a panic about Kali, just relax, sit back and enjoy what appears to be one very exciting ride.
Cheers,
Gythar
Resident of an Empire :)
A man who is a member of an empire called "The Penguin Republic" is tellin us to relax? :O You take orders from a senate of penguins?
o O (thinks he should be very very not relaxed!)
No, The Penguin Republic is not the Empire in question, though I am a resident of one of the main four empires featured in this discussion.
I look forward to the fireworks, and I am interested to see how it pans out. I'm not panicking like some others, nor do I particularly care who wins in the coming war. I know I will benefit from it greatly, which for me is the most important matter.
Cheers,
Gythar.
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Gorion Wassenar
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Posted - 2006.01.09 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Gorion Wassenar on 09/01/2006 23:26:22
Originally by: Ukucia
Originally by: Gorion Wassenar
But is the Federation even capable of researching new drones? I don't think so with it's budgets slashed as they are. This war isn't so much about the ships but who can sustain a war. The gallante economy isn't prepaired for mass weapon production while the Caldari is just waiting, if it isn't already doing it.
The economic situation you describe is exactly like the Germans and allies just before WWII. The Germans were smaller, but with much better technology, a better-trained military and an economy rigged for war production. As the Germans discovered, war economies are really not that hard to set up when war starts.
Already being on a war footing gives an initial advantage to the Caldari (Germans), but the larger Gallente (US) economy would quickly switch to a war-footing, and be able to win through sheer production power. If the Raven (Panzer) is 3x better than a Mega (Sherman), it will still lose when facing 8 of them.
(Note: Economic parallel to Germans does not imply any ideological parallel)
Comparing this kind of conflict to WWII is almost useless to be frank. (Also I think that the Megathrawn would definatly be better then the Sherman as a WWII equivilent. At least I think they didn't suck that much last I checked.)
We're dealing with the outputs of whole Solar systems. There is so much that is different that really it comes down to whos ships can take the heat and still function and whole can stack the deck with the most toy soldiers. Yeah drones do favor into the deck stacking, but they must have someone to control them. Also, whats to stop the Caldari from making the ultimate Cruise Missle? Equip it with a drone brain and a limited warp drive and you got a nasty weapon. Like a shuttle but the only payload is death. Of course the Gallante are also quite capable of making the same thing. Another thing I would also like to bring up, but what is the situations of the standing armies? Does the Federation or Caldari even have them? Or would the Caldari and Gallante troops be under the juristiction of the respective Navies as Marines?
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.09 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 09/01/2006 23:28:30
If they put planetary militaries under the jurisdiction of the space-based militaries,
it's going to completely f*ck over an entire section of my RP. I really hope they don't.
And if they completely eliminate the idea of planetary militaries, I think it's going to negatively affect more people's RP, because I've run into a number of people who have infantry experience...
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Syrec
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Posted - 2006.01.09 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 09/01/2006 23:28:30
If they put planetary militaries under the jurisdiction of the space-based militaries,
it's going to completely f*ck over an entire section of my RP. I really hope they don't.
And if they completely eliminate the idea of planetary militaries, I think it's going to negatively affect more people's RP, because I've run into a number of people who have infantry experience...
How so? The planets are part of the factions, and planets have to have defenses. The 'planetary militaries' as you call them aren't really seperate factions. Jurisdiction wise I don't think that could possibly ruin your roleplay. NPCs aren't going to tell you what to do. I would be surprised if CCP made an odd statement in RP that said 'all planetary defenses and military are now to recieve commands from space navy.' I don't think they'd do that, it's too wierd. Unless you're roleplaying that the planets in (for example) gallente systems don't belong to the gallente, then it shouldn't be a problem.
Infantry experience, I don't see how that would be screwed either. Planetary vehicles and small arms are all in game, why would they declare that planetary grunts don't exist. Of coarse there is police and military on planets. They also probably use spaceships and flying interplanetary fights (caldari or w/e), tanks.. whatever else.
Also any good roleplayer wouldn't be ruined by the storyline progressing. be flexible. Nothing can just shatter your entire RP world. No patch note is going to say "<insert name here> has no infantry experience, there is so such thing as infantry."
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Zed Nash
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Posted - 2006.01.10 00:31:00 -
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Who currently owns Caldari Prime?
Nuff said............
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Breed Love
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:35:00 -
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gallente would pwn. navy issue blasterthron for teh winzors. they would slaughter caldari ravens while their chicks would be seducing caldari navy officers. go gallente!
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Zarithas
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:46:00 -
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I like the Gallente better, but the Caldari would win hands down. The Gallente would probably cause a few nuisances, but eventually the Caldari would just completely annihilate all their major system's stations, assassinate their leader, do the same with the Minmatar, turn them all into slaves, and split the slave distribution 60-40 with the Amarr Empire.
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Deadeye Kane
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:55:00 -
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if its gallente vs. caldari the caldari would win, i think. if its bloc vs. bloc the minmatar would have a hard time defending the gallente _and_ do the fighting against caldari + amarr. :)
in other news: missile kessi vs. silver surfer who would win? :D
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BrerLapin
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: BrerLapin on 10/01/2006 21:45:00
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 09/01/2006 23:28:30
If they put planetary militaries under the jurisdiction of the space-based militaries,
it's going to completely f*ck over an entire section of my RP. I really hope they don't.
And if they completely eliminate the idea of planetary militaries, I think it's going to negatively affect more people's RP, because I've run into a number of people who have infantry experience...
I dont really see how? & no-one you know or anyone has experience of energy based weaponry on a battlefield :D
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: BrerLapin
Edited by: BrerLapin on 10/01/2006 21:45:00
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 09/01/2006 23:28:30
If they put planetary militaries under the jurisdiction of the space-based militaries,
it's going to completely f*ck over an entire section of my RP. I really hope they don't.
And if they completely eliminate the idea of planetary militaries, I think it's going to negatively affect more people's RP, because I've run into a number of people who have infantry experience...
I dont really see how? & no-one you know or anyone has experience of energy based weaponry on a battlefield :D
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Ukucia
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Gorion Wassenar
Edited by: Gorion Wassenar on 09/01/2006 23:26:22
Originally by: Ukucia
The economic situation you describe is exactly like the Germans and allies just before WWII. The Germans were smaller, but with much better technology, a better-trained military and an economy rigged for war production. As the Germans discovered, war economies are really not that hard to set up when war starts.
Already being on a war footing gives an initial advantage to the Caldari (Germans), but the larger Gallente (US) economy would quickly switch to a war-footing, and be able to win through sheer production power. If the Raven (Panzer) is 3x better than a Mega (Sherman), it will still lose when facing 8 of them.
(Note: Economic parallel to Germans does not imply any ideological parallel)
Comparing this kind of conflict to WWII is almost useless to be frank. (Also I think that the Megathrawn would definatly be better then the Sherman as a WWII equivilent. At least I think they didn't suck that much last I checked.)
We're dealing with the outputs of whole Solar systems.
So? The total economic output is much higher, yes. But we're comparing the relative economies. In any protracted conflict, the larger economy wins because they can overwhelm the smaller with sheer numbers of units...assuming no shortage of pesonal to drive them. Given that the Caldari have a smaller economy and a much smaller population than the Federation, the Caldari would have a very hard time winning any prolonged conflict. Again, massive parallels to WWII era Germans and US.
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There is so much that is different that really it comes down to whos ships can take the heat and still function and whole can stack the deck with the most toy soldiers.
That's two different issues. The 'best' combat ships are the ones who can 'take the heat'. However, the largest economy will be able to produce the most 'toy soldiers'. The Gallente's current situation means they may have a smaller deck to start with, but once war production cranks up they would be able to outproduce the Caldari.
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Another thing I would also like to bring up, but what is the situations of the standing armies? Does the Federation or Caldari even have them? Or would the Caldari and Gallante troops be under the juristiction of the respective Navies as Marines?
AFAIK, the prime fiction has never addressed ground-based troops. The logical way to organize it would be a separate Army which is transported to the planet by the Navy. Once deployed, the Army would be in charge of ground ops, while the Navy dealt with space ops (with some co-operation/mixing for things like orbital bombardment)
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.10 22:05:00 -
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Why does everyone think the Gallente economy is larger than the Caldari economy? We know the Gallente population is larger, but larger population does not mean a larger economy by default. In reality we really don't have anything to work with to figure out how their economies compare.
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Wolfgang Jager
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Posted - 2006.01.10 22:06:00 -
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While the last poster has a point, you could draw some comparisons to WWII storyline-wise...it still completely missed the main point.
NPC storyline and comparative strength is totally irrelevant. If NPC strength and actions decide the outcome of the war, then it will be a purely scripted event and CCP can make it turn out however they like for story reasons; using whatever storyline elements they wish to make it look good, regardless of how flimsy they are.
If on the other hand, the war is decided by player actions then you have to look at the relative numbers of players likely to side each way and their respective resources and endurance.
In terms of newblets and casual players I think the Caldari have a staggering population advantage over the Gallente. How much that would matter would depend on many factors which are really unpredictable before the event.
I haven't been playing long enough to predict which side (if any) the major player alliances and independent corps would back. Some would probably be mercenary about it...others might get active...but more exposure in empire space would draw them out of expansion in 0.0....so they might not.
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Yggr
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Posted - 2006.01.10 22:09:00 -
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My prediction:
The war will be Caldari & Amarr (C&A) versus Gallente & Minmatar (G&M).
Progression:
Quick victories for Caldari, with Amarr support, as Caldari have a larger standing navy and the will to use it. Large losses suffered by G&M. (Using the WWII parallels someone posted earlier in this thread, this would the attack on Pearl Harbor and other early Japanese victories in the Pacific.)
C&A spread into G&M space. Gallente shift their production from leisure to a war-time footing. Minmatar fight holding actions, guerilla warfare, to buy time for Gallente to build up their navy and strike back.
Possibility of Minmatar who are still Amarr slaves to stage an uprising, drawing Amarr attention away from the Caldari fronts.
Battle-hardened Minmatar and large Gallente navy have a tremendous battle with battle-hardened Caldari, with varying amount of Amarr support.
Outcome: will be determined after the battle!
Bonus: if one side overwhelms the other "early on", Jove will step in to support the weaker side.
What do you think?
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Ukucia
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Posted - 2006.01.10 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Why does everyone think the Gallente economy is larger than the Caldari economy? We know the Gallente population is larger, but larger population does not mean a larger economy by default. In reality we really don't have anything to work with to figure out how their economies compare.
Scattered throughout the game and the PF are indications that the Caldari state is much less populated than all the other empires, so much so that they're resorting to growing more Caldari in tubes. If their population is that much smaller than the Gallente, then their economy must be smaller. Only other option would be a massive difference in efficiency, but nothing in the prime fiction or game indicates that the Gallente are significantly inefficient, or that the Caldari are supernaturally efficient.
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Vendrin
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Posted - 2006.01.10 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ukucia
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Why does everyone think the Gallente economy is larger than the Caldari economy? We know the Gallente population is larger, but larger population does not mean a larger economy by default. In reality we really don't have anything to work with to figure out how their economies compare.
Scattered throughout the game and the PF are indications that the Caldari state is much less populated than all the other empires, so much so that they're resorting to growing more Caldari in tubes. If their population is that much smaller than the Gallente, then their economy must be smaller. Only other option would be a massive difference in efficiency, but nothing in the prime fiction or game indicates that the Gallente are significantly inefficient, or that the Caldari are supernaturally efficient.
Democracy breeds inefficency. The Caldari are far more efficient because their society is based of wealth and the more efficient you are the more wealth you make.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.10 22:32:00 -
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ME!
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emptydude
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Posted - 2006.01.10 23:11:00 -
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if i was the gallente government guy, i'd put all the caldari people in the federation onto caldari prime, then threaten to nuke it unless caldari stayed out of the war.
since i'm not though, the intaki syndicate will win cos they pwn
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Posted - 2006.01.10 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Yggr
Caldari have a larger standing navy
I don't understand why everybody thinks that the State has the largest standing Navy. The Amarr Empire has the largest standing Navy. The State has the SMALLEST (except maybe for the Minmatar Republic, I'm not sure), but it's the best equipped with the most funding, newest equipment, and the most battleships. The Federation Navy, on the other hand, is larger than the Caldari Navy but ill-equipped and badly funded.
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Failin Zhar
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Posted - 2006.01.10 23:40:00 -
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If CCP makes the possible future war player acted then that would be their biggest blunder ever. It'd be pretty retarded to pit the caldari against the Gallente since the caldari population on the server could prolly almost take on the rest of the galaxy alone. Except maybe the Jove ;)
Other than that I agree with the people who believe the economy and population are deciding factors. And both those seemingly shows that Gallente would win. Besides, what good will a small super fleet do you when you need to stretch it thin to hold control of the system you take? Nothing. At all.
I really can't see CCP stage any player powered empire wars at all, no time, never. The player balance will never, even slightly, be like the balance the rich EVE lore tells us it really is. So either they blatantly disregard their own fluff and let the Caldari "win" a comfortable victory OR we'll get zillions of whining caldari players who feel they should have won, and feels like taking a dump at the lore. There is no way to make it right/good/fun.
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Kalixa Hihro
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Posted - 2006.01.11 03:51:00 -
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Edited by: Kalixa Hihro on 11/01/2006 03:51:29
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Here are the faction layouts:
Block 1: Gallente Federation, Minmatar Republic, ORE?
Block 2: Caldari State, Amarr Empire, Mordu's Legion, Khanid Kingdom, Ammatar Mandate, Intaki Syndicate, Thukker Tribe
Who do YOU think will win?
psst, Block 1. Gallente Tanks, Minmatar Guns, and ORE Syndicate logistics/industry. Need I say more?
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JamesTalon
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Posted - 2006.01.11 04:20:00 -
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I'd have to say the Caldari, but hey, I'm probably biased ^.^
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Bonaventure Augustus
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:31:00 -
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Everyone here has it backwards. They are, as it is often said, still fighting the last war.
When the two factions go up against each other, the Minmatar will require assistance holding off the larger, heavier Amarr. The Gallente that come to their support will then draw the fire and ire of the Amarr, and the southern front will shift to a conflict in Genesis. It will be long, bloody and indecisive.
The Minmatar, once securing their southern front, will shift their forces northward, and cut deep into the soft, chewy underside of Calderi space, aka Forge, piercing through to New Calderi Prime and then on to Jita. The Calderi will have to strip forces away from the Calderi/Gallente front (where they might actually have moved into Sinq Laison and Placid) to combat this threat, opening up weaknesses in their defenses, leaving the Gallente to push through and vivisect Calderi space.
The war ends with the Khanids forming a separate peace with the G/M block, the Amarr/Ammatar losing the Bleak Lands, Devoid and Derelik regions to the Minmatar along with the entirely indefensable Domain, and establishing themselves in Tash-Murkon and Kador, where they fade from relevance and significance.
The Gallente will take Genesis, Citadel and Lonetrek, the Minmatar expanding into the Forge. The remnants of the Calderi navy will establish New New Calderi Prime somewhere in Deklein.
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Bonaventure Augustus
soft, chewy underside of Calderi space
I think this is where your entire line of reasoning derailed, went screaming off the tracks, and exploded into a very entertaining ball of flames
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JoeT
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Aenigma
Gallente will not lose because all those drones cause tremendous lag, which lead to node crashes
The Minmatar won't lose because they have a massive supply of ducttape.
Therefore, it's either a stalemate or the Gallente/Minmatar will win
The minmatar will just go to random battlefields, and using there duct tape, make another fleet, from broken ships, which will later fall apart.
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Shai Faetal
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:58:00 -
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Gallente would own Caldari cuz they have Eris.
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Posted - 2006.01.11 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Shai Faetal
Gallente would own Caldari cuz they have Eris.
Oh DO they? I disagree... Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: HippoKing
how come my first post got nerfed, but nikolai keeps his second
no fair
Eris wubs me more than you.
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Gorion Wassenar
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Posted - 2006.01.11 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Bonaventure Augustus
Everyone here has it backwards. They are, as it is often said, still fighting the last war.
When the two factions go up against each other, the Minmatar will require assistance holding off the larger, heavier Amarr. The Gallente that come to their support will then...
Thats where it drailed. The Gallante will either debate too long and leave the Minnies hanging or will be too busy fighting off the Caldari and leave the minnies hanging.
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Shai Faetal
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Posted - 2006.01.11 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Shai Faetal
Gallente would own Caldari cuz they have Eris.
Oh DO they? I disagree... Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: HippoKing
how come my first post got nerfed, but nikolai keeps his second
no fair
Eris wubs me more than you.
Arent u that guy that stalks Eris
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Bonaventure Augustus
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Posted - 2006.01.11 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gorion Wassenar
Originally by: Bonaventure Augustus
Everyone here has it backwards. They are, as it is often said, still fighting the last war.
When the two factions go up against each other, the Minmatar will require assistance holding off the larger, heavier Amarr. The Gallente that come to their support will then...
Thats where it drailed. The Gallante will either debate too long and leave the Minnies hanging or will be too busy fighting off the Caldari and leave the minnies hanging.
Sorry, no. The Gallente are imperialists in everything but name, and would love the idea of bringing their social and political orders to the oppressed fuzzy-wussies of the Amarr.
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Duraeli
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:31:00 -
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I would like to add a reason behind my support for the Caldari/Amarr front besides the fact that Minnie duct tape can only hold on for so long...
Amarr are religious zealots...zealots who will probably fly suicidally into combat. And I have no doubt that if the rest of the Minnie slaves under Amarr control rise up against their masters the Amarr would slaughter every single one of them...
That's just my $0.02 though.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Shai Faetal
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Shai Faetal
Gallente would own Caldari cuz they have Eris.
Oh DO they? I disagree... Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: HippoKing
how come my first post got nerfed, but nikolai keeps his second
no fair
Eris wubs me more than you.
Arent u that guy that stalks Eris
Which one?
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Posted - 2006.01.11 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Bonaventure Augustus
Everyone here has it backwards. They are, as it is often said, still fighting the last war.
When the two factions go up against each other, the Minmatar will require assistance holding off the larger, heavier Amarr. The Gallente that come to their support will then draw the fire and ire of the Amarr, and the southern front will shift to a conflict in Genesis. It will be long, bloody and indecisive.
The Minmatar, once securing their southern front, will shift their forces northward, and cut deep into the soft, chewy underside of Calderi space, aka Forge, piercing through to New Calderi Prime and then on to Jita. The Calderi will have to strip forces away from the Calderi/Gallente front (where they might actually have moved into Sinq Laison and Placid) to combat this threat, opening up weaknesses in their defenses, leaving the Gallente to push through and vivisect Calderi space.
The war ends with the Khanids forming a separate peace with the G/M block, the Amarr/Ammatar losing the Bleak Lands, Devoid and Derelik regions to the Minmatar along with the entirely indefensable Domain, and establishing themselves in Tash-Murkon and Kador, where they fade from relevance and significance.
The Gallente will take Genesis, Citadel and Lonetrek, the Minmatar expanding into the Forge. The remnants of the Calderi navy will establish New New Calderi Prime somewhere in Deklein.
That's actually the only theory that has sense in it...
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Posted - 2006.01.11 19:19:00 -
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What ships got WHOOOOPED in the last round of the tournament? I think it was a megathron, deimos and ishkur. If they lost in the final round the pilots must have been good. I asume that they'd lose against Caldari ANYDAY. We will kick your ass.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.11 19:54:00 -
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From what I remember, the two biggest heroes of the tournament were the Caldari Navy Raven and the Eagle.
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Posted - 2006.01.11 20:05:00 -
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Edited by: hundurinn on 11/01/2006 20:07:39
As I see it it would go like this.
Amarr attack Minmatar, they have become fed up with their endles skirmish attacks of terrorists into Amarr space. Minmatar Republic can't handle the force of the Amarr Navy and they call for Gallente to aid them. Bulk to the Gallente navy goes and helps Minmatars to drive the Amarr back. As Amarr are stubborn and to proud they won't call the Caldari Navy to help them so the battleline stands still in the southern front.
As the Gallente Navy is helping the Minmatar Navy the Caldari Navy with superior number of battleships and of course their famous one man fighters attack the Gallente Federation and has no problem killing the rest of the Gallente Navy. The federation would call the Gallente Navy back home. The Amarr roles over the Minmatar Republic and now attack the Gallente Federation from back. The Gallente Navy wouldn't withstand suck assault and the Federation falls.
The rest of the Minmatar fleet moves into the southern front and claims space there and the Gallente would move east.
Now Amarr control the Minmatar and Caldari have reclaimed there home and paid the Gallente pack for what they did.
We don't know where the Jovian stand, they are friendly to the Caldari but probably enemy with Amarr after their assault on them. So many things could happen.
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Posted - 2006.01.12 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Christensen on 12/01/2006 12:41:10
Originally by: hundurinn
Edited by: hundurinn on 11/01/2006 20:07:39
As I see it it would go like this.
Amarr attack Minmatar, they have become fed up with their endles skirmish attacks of terrorists into Amarr space. Minmatar Republic can't handle the force of the Amarr Navy and they call for Gallente to aid them. Bulk to the Gallente navy goes and helps Minmatars to drive the Amarr back. As Amarr are stubborn and to proud they won't call the Caldari Navy to help them so the battleline stands still in the southern front.
As the Gallente Navy is helping the Minmatar Navy the Caldari Navy with superior number of battleships and of course their famous one man fighters attack the Gallente Federation and has no problem killing the rest of the Gallente Navy. The federation would call the Gallente Navy back home. The Amarr roles over the Minmatar Republic and now attack the Gallente Federation from back. The Gallente Navy wouldn't withstand suck assault and the Federation falls.
The rest of the Minmatar fleet moves into the southern front and claims space there and the Gallente would move east.
Now Amarr control the Minmatar and Caldari have reclaimed there home and paid the Gallente pack for what they did.
We don't know where the Jovian stand, they are friendly to the Caldari but probably enemy with Amarr after their assault on them. So many things could happen.
Hmm.. let's see now, how did the last war go?? Caldari didn't atchive anything but losing their home planet.. They will get some quick victories - unless the Federation starts the war.. But since their Navy is so small it won't be able to fight efficiently against the far greater federation navy. It will all come down to the commanders and leaders..
Remember one thing - Quantity over quality (T34's vs. Tiger)
Another thing that makes the Caldari weaker than the Gallente the in sense of stability...
"It is cynically said that the Caldari Corporations know the 'price' of everything and yet the 'value' of none!This very thing has been forming *****s in the unity of the Caldari Empire. The Corporations have their unique goals in front of them and the ideological differences are tearing them apart.
As things stand at the moment, the Caldari Corporations have split into three major factions that hold their ideologies high. The smaller corporations have lined up behind the more powerful corporations as well. Though the Empire is not yet in a state of war but the situation is fast escalating into a far serious one."
Regarding the Amarr Empire..
It will not be a helpful ally to the Caldari.. The will have to fight - Minmatar Republic, Karnid Kingdom and the Blood Raiders at one time.. plus they might encounter som small Gallente forces on their borders. The Empire must be kept neutral in the 2nd Gal-Cal war since it will have too many fronts to fight and there will be a great risk of a new rebellion within the empire.
Minmatar Republic.
They will focus themselves on defending against any Amarr invasion and will send aid to the federation by skirmishing in to Caldari space and retreat once a strong force will be able to intercep them. The Minmatar aren't strong enough to invade so they will fight a defensive war and help the Gallente Federation in it struggle.
Jove Empire..
NO idea of what they might do.. perhaps they might se an chance to invade all of eve...
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Ukucia
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Vendrin
Originally by: Ukucia
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Why does everyone think the Gallente economy is larger than the Caldari economy? We know the Gallente population is larger, but larger population does not mean a larger economy by default. In reality we really don't have anything to work with to figure out how their economies compare.
Scattered throughout the game and the PF are indications that the Caldari state is much less populated than all the other empires, so much so that they're resorting to growing more Caldari in tubes. If their population is that much smaller than the Gallente, then their economy must be smaller. Only other option would be a massive difference in efficiency, but nothing in the prime fiction or game indicates that the Gallente are significantly inefficient, or that the Caldari are supernaturally efficient.
Democracy breeds inefficency. The Caldari are far more efficient because their society is based of wealth and the more efficient you are the more wealth you make.
The problem is it's only physically possible for a worker to reach a certain level of efficiency. If the Caldari have such a small population that they're growing more in tubes, then their workers would have to be orders of magnitude more efficient than the Gallente. There's nothing in the fiction or game that points to this. They probably are more efficient than the Gallente, but not enough to overcome their lower population.
Now, the Amarr are pictured as woefully inefficient, and it's probable that the Caldari are orders of magnitude more efficent than them.
As for your main thesis that democracies are more efficient than autocratic societies, that doesn't really pan out in the real world. The democratic societies on our planet are more economically efficient.
Also, it turns out that workers that are 'well cared for' are much more efficient than ones that have to take care of themselves. There's been lots of companies that have started treating its workers better or worse (after something like a merger or a re-org). The companies that treat their workers better end up vastly more efficient, and thus are much more profitable in the long-term.
Anyway, a longwinded way of saying that a "liberal" society can still be very efficient.
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Ukucia
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: hundurinn
Edited by: hundurinn on 11/01/2006 19:22:50
What ships got WHOOOOPED in the last round of the tournament? I think it was a megathron, deimos and ishkur. If they lost in the final round the pilots must have been good to get that far. I asume that they'd lose against Caldari ANY DAY. We will kick your ass.
Duels don't decide wars...at least in this universe. Wars are won or lost in the factory.
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Posted - 2006.01.13 02:04:00 -
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As someone has said, the Joves may very well step in and stop a war before it fully breaks out. A Eve Chronicle that may very well support it is the Armageddon Project. Which talks about rumors that the Jovians have designed a doomsday device.
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Failin Zhar
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Posted - 2006.01.13 02:04:00 -
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Edited by: Failin Zhar on 13/01/2006 02:04:25
What decides who wins?
It's the economy silly =)
*edit*
Ukucia put it nicely, I support what she wrote.
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Failin Zhar
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Posted - 2006.01.13 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kisaku
As someone has said, the Joves may very well step in and stop a war before it fully breaks out. A Eve Chronicle that may very well support it is the Armageddon Project. Which talks about rumors that the Jovians have designed a doomsday device.
I hope CCP won't make the mistake of having a war between the empires, there's is no way that can be simulated well. Lore wise the caldari are very few, but in the game you hit a caldari no matter what direction you spit in. The only war I think is feasable is a war where the empires fight united against some new/outer threat. The jove doomsday weapon perhaps?
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Posted - 2006.01.13 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: Tairos Aurelius on 13/01/2006 02:23:49
The Gallante may have numbers and a massive industrial capacity, but despite (Earth's) history that doesn't neccessarily mean they'd win. I think it would be a stalemate, as the Caldari don't have the forces to take and hold such a massive empire, but because their military is such high quality and have less area to defend, the Gallante would have an extremely hard time *****ing them. This situation is somewhat similar to WWII (the Gallante would be America while the Caldari are Germany), but the difference is that we know that the Gallante citizens would be undermining their government at every turn, and we don't know exactly what the population and industrial gap is.
The Amarr are more than powerful enough to take the Minmatar, though occupation is another issue. What's important is that they'll occupy a fair chunk of the Gallante fleet.
EDIT- Went back and read, and realized this has been said before. Oh well.
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Ukucia
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Posted - 2006.01.13 03:03:00 -
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Edited by: Ukucia on 13/01/2006 03:04:22
Originally by: Tairos Aurelius
but the difference is that we know that the Gallante citizens would be undermining their government at every turn
And we know this how?
Quote:
The Amarr are more than powerful enough to take the Minmatar
Ya know, I've seen this assumption over and over again. One would think if the Amarr could so overpower the Matar, that they'd have been able to crush the rebellion quite easily and there'd be no Minmatar Empire.
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Calderio
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Posted - 2006.01.13 03:31:00 -
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The Caldari have a very strong chance of winning, esp if pod pilots are involved in the war.
the only reason why the minmatar were able to gain a foot hold in there rebellion is because the amarrian fleet was busy fighting the jove. I seem to recall a minmatar planet that was destroyed almost entirally as a consiquence of the rebellion.
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Tairos Aurelius
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Posted - 2006.01.13 03:40:00 -
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Because we've seen that they love protesting, it's even one of the ancestory options. The Gallante are the only faction that'll put up with that, and that's not healthy during a war. And a lack of motivation, of course, produces inferior soldiers.
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Posted - 2006.01.13 05:57:00 -
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Posted - 2006.01.13 08:20:00 -
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Edited by: Olivin on 13/01/2006 08:22:27
Caldari and Amarr will loose against Gallente and Minmatar for the same reasons Axis lost to Allies in WW2. Superior technology and numbers are of course important, but in the end it's all about economy, cash and ideology.
Caldari and Amarr ideology sucks big time. Caldari is a mixture of corporate slavery and national socialism, with huge ego. It's so obvious why they choose missiles as their primary weapon system. LOL @ Caladri's flying peepee extended.
Amarr is diehard-old-ways-imperior-ass-kissers with thick ugly ships and brainwashed heads. My god, they still support slavery. LOL @ Amarr's high-tech build by slaves.
Gallente and Minmatar are great. It's all about freedom and money. They will probably loose first battles in the war, because Amarr-Caldari will attack without warning ( what else would you expect from slave traders and war fanatics), but in the end Gallente will transform war to the isk press and pay for the Minmatar war effort and their fanatical extermination of their historical oppressors.
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Alex Christensen
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Posted - 2006.01.13 14:02:00 -
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I really love this thread.. The Minmatar and Gallente alliance comes with senseable arguments proclaiming that we will win the upcoming war, while the oppisite side's only arguments are; We are choosen by god and we have the most/best battleships and our ships does most dps.. ..
As I said before both Amarr and Caldari are weak.. Not because of their fleet's but because their societies are unstabile and could soon find themselves in a civil war because of: The Amarrian Households and the Caldari 3 blok supercorps quest for power. So while your fleets are out and kicking ass your homeworlds might be destroyed by your own selfish ambitions.. And when your fleets runs out of rienforcements and the Gallentean economy is prepeared for war then your are doomed..
And one strategy we might use is to let the Caldari fleet deep in to Gallente Space and then close of the supply routes.. and then death will come swift to the entire fleet and Caldari will be forced to sign a peace treaty or risk a total war..
And by the way.. I really don't think that the Amarr Empire will be very active in this war.. They won't help the Caldari as much as people are thinking because of thier weak borders and the risk of a 2nd rebellion wich might be aided by the Federation and the Republic.
As for the Jove... No body know's their plans.. And if I was so unlucky to be a Caldari then I wouldn't be so confident in their support.. Caldari might be the first to taste the Superweapon (project: Armageddon)
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Posted - 2006.01.13 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Admiral Pwnflakes on 13/01/2006 14:42:26
Originally by: Alex Christensen
I really love this thread.. The Minmatar and Gallente alliance comes with senseable arguments proclaiming that we will win the upcoming war, while the oppisite side's only arguments are; We are choosen by god and we have the most/best battleships and our ships does most dps.. ..
As I said before both Amarr and Caldari are weak.. Not because of their fleet's but because their societies are unstabile and could soon find themselves in a civil war because of: The Amarrian Households and the Caldari 3 blok supercorps quest for power. So while your fleets are out and kicking ass your homeworlds might be destroyed by your own selfish ambitions.. And when your fleets runs out of rienforcements and the Gallentean economy is prepeared for war then your are doomed..
And one strategy we might use is to let the Caldari fleet deep in to Gallente Space and then close of the supply routes.. and then death will come swift to the entire fleet and Caldari will be forced to sign a peace treaty or risk a total war..
And by the way.. I really don't think that the Amarr Empire will be very active in this war.. They won't help the Caldari as much as people are thinking because of thier weak borders and the risk of a 2nd rebellion wich might be aided by the Federation and the Republic.
As for the Jove... No body know's their plans.. And if I was so unlucky to be a Caldari then I wouldn't be so confident in their support.. Caldari might be the first to taste the Superweapon (project: Armageddon)
Heretic!!! Your words burn my ears, you shall taste Caldari steel!
Muhahahahaha.
You sure you're not Caldari btw? Its just you seem to have the arrogant attitude of one of us. Come brother, join the real winners.
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Exioce
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Posted - 2006.01.13 14:46:00 -
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Gallente win a cultural victory a la Civilization 4. now that everyone has stealth bombers with nukes, it's unlikely they'll go to war directly.
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Tairos Aurelius
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Posted - 2006.01.13 15:18:00 -
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Your ideology does not entitle you to win. And I think Gallante economic strength is being overestimated.
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Kelador Stormwolf
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Posted - 2006.01.13 15:56:00 -
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Edited by: Kelador Stormwolf on 13/01/2006 15:56:22
Edited by: Kelador Stormwolf on 13/01/2006 15:55:53
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
From what I remember, the two biggest heroes of the tournament were the Caldari Navy Raven and the Eagle.
Now sit back and watch the nerf bat swing in their direction ;)
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Posted - 2006.01.13 16:05:00 -
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Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 13/01/2006 16:05:50
Originally by: Tairos Aurelius
The Gallante may have [...] a massive industrial capacity
The Gallentean economy is p0rn, prostitution, egonics, Quafe, clothing. Their military will be entertained, well dressed, thoroughly sexually satisfied, and never thirsty. However, will they be able to win the war based on that? Hmmm...
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Olivin
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Posted - 2006.01.13 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tairos Aurelius
Your ideology does not entitle you to win.
Sure it does. It worked before, it will work again. You simply won't able to resist cold fuzzy drinks and pop-corn served with movies telling an epic story about Caldari heroic war effort and Ammar utter coolnes.
Originally by: Tairos Aurelius
And I think Gallante economic strength is being overestimated.
I wonder why at least half of Eve population are Caldari. Perhaps answer hidden in Kestrel and Raven wimpmobiles, eh?
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Olivin
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Posted - 2006.01.13 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: Olivin on 13/01/2006 17:44:31
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The Gallentean economy is p0rn, prostitution, egonics, Quafe, clothing. Their military will be entertained, well dressed, thoroughly sexually satisfied, and never thirsty. However, will they be able to win the war based on that? Hmmm...
Are you saying that Caladari military hungry, dirty and dressed badly and Amarr sad and sexually dissatisfied? Damn! I can't believe it will be a war with a banch of horny and miserable maniacs!
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Alex Christensen
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Posted - 2006.01.13 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pwnflakes
Edited by: Admiral Pwnflakes on 13/01/2006 14:42:26
Heretic!!! Your words burn my ears, you shall taste Caldari steel!
Muhahahahaha.
You sure you're not Caldari btw? Its just you seem to have the arrogant attitude of one of us. Come brother, join the real winners.
You prove my point
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Posted - 2006.01.13 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Olivin
...a banch of horny and miserable maniacs.
Online gaming in a nutshell. :D
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Magnus Freeman
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Posted - 2006.01.13 19:55:00 -
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I believe that an eventual war would be decided by the Player Alliances, depending on which empire they would back.
After all, a few alliances sit on almost as much space (if not more) than some of the empires.
Their contributions to their chosen empires would most likely be what would tip the favor of any war (depending on if the Joves decides to step in and show us what *real* firepower is all about)
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Posted - 2006.01.13 20:03:00 -
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Caldari are not stupid.Why would they attack if they know they would lose in the logn run?Who knows what they might have hidden in some remote system.The gallente found out they had a whole bunch of systems with military bases which they hid from the gallente.
And as for gallente having a larger navy,well what does a ****load of outdated weapons do agains far more advanced weapons(imagine 500 000 medival soldiers vs. 500 tanks or bombers).
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Alex Christensen
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Posted - 2006.01.13 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Christensen on 13/01/2006 20:23:54
Originally by: Doomed Predator
(imagine 500 000 medival soldiers vs. 500 tanks or bombers).
A bid over the top I think
A sensable bit would be 500 000 drones vs. 500 ravens.. Not hard to guess the outcome of this.. Owned
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.13 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Olivin
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The Gallentean economy is p0rn, prostitution, egonics, Quafe, clothing. Their military will be entertained, well dressed, thoroughly sexually satisfied, and never thirsty. However, will they be able to win the war based on that? Hmmm...
Are you saying that Caladari military hungry, dirty and dressed badly and Amarr sad and sexually dissatisfied? Damn! I can't believe it will be a war with a banch of horny and miserable maniacs! No, we're just unfashionably dressed, thirsty, and we'll be taking out our sexual frustration and boredom on you guys by killing you more.
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Posted - 2006.01.13 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Sadayiel on 13/01/2006 20:45:14
Quote:
Alex Christensen
Hmm.. let's see now, how did the last war go?? Caldari didn't atchive anything but losing their home planet.. They will get some quick victories - unless the Federation starts the war.. But since their Navy is so small it won't be able to fight efficiently against the far greater federation navy. It will all come down to the commanders and leaders.. Quote:
Im sorry Alex but you are wrong, Caldari got the winning hand at the last war.
They lost caldari prime, just cause gallente started the war with his WHOLE fleet doing an orbital attack over the planet, but caldari just strike back sletted up and made a major distraction hitting the gallente main planet,(read chimera details)
Also caldari spent all the war with lower numbers and technology but their squad tactics with frigates allowed them to kickass all battles until gallentes finally achieved to design the comabt drones.
Now gallente will face the most technologic advanced empire, with the most focused mind, they are like old greek cities, struggling beetwen all the time but can focus all his forces for a common enemy in a matter of secs and the only thing caldari want above everything is their own freedown to act as their want. Also count that while gallente still keep a free mind society, mostly of caldari ppl still keep a hate feeling against gallente.
So not start yours bet too soon over gallente.
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Posted - 2006.01.13 20:44:00 -
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What would be kewl =
Caldari beat Gallente to hell. Gallente Federations splits up into many sub factions. Some of them pirate ( Archangels ), some mining ( ORE ), etc. I dunno sounded good in my head :P
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Posted - 2006.01.13 21:40:00 -
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The I find it amusing how arrogant most Caldari's are.. It's so sad that they can just be happy with the space they got atm. but they really wan't to loose it all BTW: I really do think that the federation learning something about the Caldari war tactics since the last war. But I'll look forward to se the Federation Navy moving in to Jita and cleaning up the mess there
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Lautrec
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Posted - 2006.01.17 18:06:00 -
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Jeeez...
Gallente will win of course
For one very very simple reason:
- Shield tanking and missiles are for girls.
Real men tank their armor and shoot blasters. period.
Allez le Gallente!
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Posted - 2006.01.17 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lautrec
Jeeez...
Gallente will win of course
For one very very simple reason:
- Shield tanking and missiles are for girls.
Real men tank their armor and shoot blasters. period.
Allez le Gallente!
Well said
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Posted - 2006.01.17 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Christensen
Originally by: Lautrec
Jeeez...
Gallente will win of course
For one very very simple reason:
- Shield tanking and missiles are for girls.
Real men tank their armor and shoot blasters. period.
Allez le Gallente!
Agreed
Well said
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Posted - 2006.01.17 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Originally by: Alex Christensen
Originally by: Lautrec
Jeeez...
Gallente will win of course
For one very very simple reason:
- Shield tanking and missiles are for girls.
Real men tank their armor and shoot blasters. period.
Allez le Gallente!
Well said
Agreed
Naaaah Real men tank armor and fire beams
If caldari and gallente go to war, they end in a stalemate, both heavily weakened. Amarr come along and pwn the whole bunch. Amarr now will own all, except jove space. Everyone happy.
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Posted - 2006.01.17 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: My grandfather
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Originally by: Alex Christensen
Originally by: Lautrec
Jeeez...
Gallente will win of course
For one very very simple reason:
- Shield tanking and missiles are for girls.
Real men tank their armor and shoot blasters. period.
Allez le Gallente!
Well said
Agreed
Naaaah Real men tank armor and fire beams
If caldari and gallente go to war, they end in a stalemate, both heavily weakened. Amarr come along and pwn the whole bunch. Amarr now will own all, except jove space. Everyone happy.
Then minmatar revolts and kill the Emperor... Chaos is all over the galaxie.
SOE come and create a Happy camper universe... and Joves come to play the nice Elfs
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Lautrec
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Posted - 2006.01.17 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: My grandfather
Naaaah Real men tank armor and fire beams [:twisted:
If caldari and gallente go to war, they end in a stalemate, both heavily weakened. Amarr come along and pwn the whole bunch. Amarr now will own all, except jove space. Everyone happy.
It has long been my opinion that Amarr ships are good only for one thing - disco lighting.
In fact, I vote that the Apoc should come with two extra high slots for a dry ice smoke launcher and a strobe light.
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Posted - 2006.01.17 19:27:00 -
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Nobody will win ..gallente and caldari will fight till both sides almost are at the brink of destruction ...and then..the jovians will make their move cause thats how they plotted it from the very beginning pretending to be peacefull towards all yet in fact playing all sides against each other.
What bout the amarr and minmatar? ..well the latter will be easily wiped out (no offence ) and the amarr will last a while but cant do anything so they'll slowly be crushed.
If someone else gave this theory earlier (didnt read all of it) ..well great minds think alike
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Sharcy
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Posted - 2006.01.18 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lautrec
Jeeez...
Gallente will win of course
For one very very simple reason:
- Shield tanking and missiles are for girls.
Real men tank their armor and shoot blasters. period.
This statement makes me think of the song "Real Men" by Joe Jackson... 'nuff said...
Originally by: Lautrec
Allez le Gallente!
If you start talking French like that, you can count on war starting today...
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Wyke Mossari
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: sonofollo
would the jove declare open warfare on whoever looks to be winning simply to maintain the balance of power
Right idea, wrong faction. That would be Bob's job.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:06:00 -
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Forum necromancy 4TL.
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[04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
[07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Wyke Mossari
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:12:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Syrec
Who do you think will win if Caldari and Gallente go to war?
Seek enlightenment and you shall be rewarded.
The modernity of the Caldari fleet gives them an advantage; initially. However as the war continues and battlefield losses mount the balance swings towards logistics and the ability to replace those losses.
The complexity and immaturity of the Caldari's new systems would hinder and slow replacement of battlefield losses. The maturity of Gallente technology would allow them to be ramped up more quickly and losses replaced more readily.
The Caldari economy is already running flat-out making a profit. It is already efficient. It has little or no room to grow, either in material resources or production. It is essentially a wartime economy. If the Caldari states goes to war, it will be forced to shift it's most scarce and valuable resource, manpower to the front line.
The Gallente economy contains a lot of slack with resources and manpower expended on activities such as social welfare and leisure. These plenty of room for growth from a shift to a wartime economy. It has both manpower and material resources in abundance for the front line.
However the finaly outcome of this would never have a chance to play out; because if either faction was placed at a significant strategic disadvantage their ally would enter the fray in support, if only to prevent the situation were the Alley would have to stand alone against two opponents. The fourth faction would then follow. As the balance of power shifted one way then the other the less significant factions would likely enter the fray.
Some like SOE and Interbus would likely stay out of conflict. Other's like CONCORD and the pirates would fracture to varying degrees. Some trying to maintain their true calling, others falling back in support of their racial or cultural identity.
The military powerbase of the empires will be shattered as comprehensively as their econonomic powerbase has been by pod pilots. The Joves would have achieved their aim; Human evolution; Homo-Superious; the pod pilot! and the end of factions!
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Godar Marak
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: BrerLapin
& we all know that the Jovians love the Caldari ;D
But let us not forget that at the first sign of a fight thousand year old DNA will kick in & the Gallente will capitulate with only a minor fight using snowballs from last christmas.
Id1ot.
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Jowen Datloran
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:30:00 -
[221]
Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 27/02/2006 10:30:49
Originally by: Godar Marak
Originally by: BrerLapin
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Id1ot.
/agreed
It's about time CCP pulls together and removes this reference from the Gallentes biography seeing how many people doesn't have the mentally capacity to look beyond it.
Not only does it result RL racist remarks but as no other of the races or blood lines are described as directly connected to a culture of today I don't see why the Gallente needs to.
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Posted - 2006.02.27 11:16:00 -
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if they do go to war, i think it'll be a while until we know who wins, i think the other 3 races will try to take advantage of the situation, and whoever wins will have jovians on their side. If there was a war it would change the dynamics of the game quite a bit, trade would decrease considerably, and probably security would drop considerably, especially in the border systems. Eve would get alot harder.....
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Culmen
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Posted - 2006.02.27 16:14:00 -
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Lets break it down ship by ship
Battle ships
Scorpion Vs Dominix
One word ECM, The guns on the domi are useless.However once the domi get a lock it can sic it's drones on the scorp. in which case two words, ECM Burst, i think it has a 100% chance of shutting down even heavy drones
Caldari Win
Raven vs Megathron
see - capsuleer torunament, raven is the better tanker. The advantage of the mega is that it uses railguns, which dont take time to travel.
However a few ravens can one salvo a mega. So if they target a different mega every salvo, within a few minutes, a dozen megas have been forced off the field
or destroyed.
Caldari Win
Battlecruisers
Ferox = Nigh Invulnerable. Brutix = Nigh Invulnerable until you drain its cap, in which case the armor repairer is useless. A passive tanking ferox
cant be hurt by draining. So Ferox mounts Nos
Caldari Win
More to come...
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Exiled One
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Posted - 2006.02.27 16:38:00 -
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The unholy ones will perish. Alpha strike battleships are no good for long-lasting assaults. The fededation, the republic, prepare to be annihilated. Watch those beams melt your shields, then your HOMEWORLDS.
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Nifel
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Posted - 2006.02.27 16:47:00 -
[225]
Caldari would win with their 1 gazillion Scorpions and Blackbirds.
"We wield swords for the sound of laughter that used to be there long ago."
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Drigan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 16:55:00 -
[226]
Edited by: Drigan on 27/02/2006 16:56:54
Caldari navy vs. Gallente navy.... that's a tough one to decide.
But if you were to allow podpilots into the war, then the Gallente are screwed. So many people are Caldari and there are probably some podpilots who were born Gallente who like Caldari.
Edit: I chose Caldari cuz of their bio. I'm sure many people did. CALDARI 4EVAR!
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Culmen
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Posted - 2006.02.27 16:55:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Nifel
Caldari would win with their 1 gazillion Scorpions and Blackbirds.
Simulation of what would happen the first gallente vs caldari fleet battle
Gallente: Can we use our targeting systems now?
Caldari: No
Gallente:How bout now?
Caldari: No
Gallente:Now?
Caldari:No
Gallente:Come on!
Caldari: I said No.
Gallente: Can we at least use our drones
Caldari: No
Gallente: Pleeeeasee!
Caldari:No
Gallente:Your no fun, im going to go see my exotic dancer
*Gallente tries to warp out
*Caldari warp scrams
*First salvo of missiles actually reaches their targets
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Noveron
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:00:00 -
[228]
Caldari and Gallente know each other well, they dont like each other much but now they respect them..
Its not wars between the main empires, but against the pirate factions that will occur.
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Syike
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Posted - 2006.02.28 02:45:00 -
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ORE will carebear their arses off, and the gallente will haul, and minmatar will...kill belt rats? and they will make loads of iskies to blow caldari away with 20239874329846241252345824398 capital ships.
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Death Merchant
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Posted - 2006.02.28 03:06:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Lautrec
Jeeez...
Gallente will win of course
For one very very simple reason:
- Shield tanking and missiles are for girls.
Real men tank their armor and shoot blasters. period.
Allez le Gallente!
QFT
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Double TaP
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Posted - 2006.02.28 03:29:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 27/02/2006 10:55:13
Originally by: Godar Marak
Originally by: BrerLapin
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Id1ot.
/agreed
It's about time CCP pulls together and removes this reference from the Gallentes biography seeing how many people doesn't have the mentally capacity to look beyond it.
It results in RL racist remarks and as none of the other races or blood lines are described as directly connected to a culture of today I don't see why the Gallente needs to.
lolz at teh fr3nch! caldari will pwnzer the Eiffel Tower!!1one!1!
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Double TaP
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Posted - 2006.02.28 03:30:00 -
[232]
Originally by: Death Merchant
Originally by: Lautrec
Jeeez...
Gallente will win of course
For one very very simple reason:
- Shield tanking and missiles are for girls.
Real men tank their armor and shoot blasters. period.
Allez le Gallente!
QFT
Be careful what you QTF. Chuck Norris is Caldari, so think about that when you're deciding what real men do.
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Kayleene
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Posted - 2006.02.28 05:35:00 -
[233]
Caldari will win!
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.02.28 05:35:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Double TaP
Originally by: Death Merchant
Originally by: Lautrec
Jeeez...
Gallente will win of course
For one very very simple reason:
- Shield tanking and missiles are for girls.
Real men tank their armor and shoot blasters. period.
Allez le Gallente!
QFT
Be careful what you QTF. Chuck Norris is Caldari, so think about that when you're deciding what real men do.
Chuck Norris went back in time to save the Gallente city of Hueromont. He caught the burning piece of Admiral Tovil-Toba's ship in his beard. The entire city then exploded from sheer amazement.
Chuck Norris once destroyed a Jovian titan with a single roundhouse kick.
Chuck Norris asked for Starsi from Quafe, and got it.
To prove that the Jovian Disease is not a big deal, he genetically engineered himself until he got it. He then rid himself of the disease by flexing for thirty minutes.
Chuck Norris does not train skillpacks. He stares them down until he gets the information he wants.
The things you hear about the Thorax cruiser are true...it's made from a life-sized casting of Chuck Norris's genitalia. Yes, that's right, Chuck Norris's genitalia has weapons hardpoints.
When you PVP against a normal person, your HP readout turns red from the right side to the left, first in shields, then armor, then structure.
When you PVP against Chuck Norris, the very last bar on the left side of the structure readout turns red, and your ship explodes.
He only needs to think about targeting you in order to do this.
Even in a ship that cannot target you, such as a capsule or a shuttle.
-------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
[04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
[07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Stop whining about my signature - Wrangler
\o/ ~kieron
[\"] -Capsicum
<3 -eris
you wanted colours
now you have them :) -eris..again
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Pride NL
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Posted - 2006.02.28 06:03:00 -
[235]
Oh my god. The fact that Gallente and Caldari are still INGAME should answer this thread.
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Xio2
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Posted - 2006.02.28 06:19:00 -
[236]
What the heck ever people. Caldari are a force to be reckoned with and by God we will never lose a battle to any artsy fartsy pansies that have little robots fly around their ships to do the fighting for them. Shield tanking+missiles+EW 4tw.
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BoinKlasik
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Posted - 2006.02.28 07:12:00 -
[237]
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Double TaP
Originally by: Death Merchant
Originally by: Lautrec
Jeeez...
Gallente will win of course
For one very very simple reason:
- Shield tanking and missiles are for girls.
Real men tank their armor and shoot blasters. period.
Allez le Gallente!
QFT
Be careful what you QTF. Chuck Norris is Caldari, so think about that when you're deciding what real men do.
Chuck Norris went back in time to save the Gallente city of Hueromont. He caught the burning piece of Admiral Tovil-Toba's ship in his beard. The entire city then exploded from sheer amazement.
Chuck Norris once destroyed a Jovian titan with a single roundhouse kick.
Chuck Norris asked for Starsi from Quafe, and got it.
To prove that the Jovian Disease is not a big deal, he genetically engineered himself until he got it. He then rid himself of the disease by flexing for thirty minutes.
Chuck Norris does not train skillpacks. He stares them down until he gets the information he wants.
The things you hear about the Thorax cruiser are true...it's made from a life-sized casting of Chuck Norris's genitalia. Yes, that's right, Chuck Norris's genitalia has weapons hardpoints.
When you PVP against a normal person, your HP readout turns red from the right side to the left, first in shields, then armor, then structure.
When you PVP against Chuck Norris, the very last bar on the left side of the structure readout turns red, and your ship explodes.
He only needs to think about targeting you in order to do this.
Even in a ship that cannot target you, such as a capsule or a shuttle.
:/ why do the Gallente get Chuck Norris... shouldnt they get the sciency/clever MacGuyver?
*doh, I broke my edited sig :/* *cries*
this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris
Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron
Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler
The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
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Kaliopeia
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Posted - 2006.02.28 08:36:00 -
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Pff, range trumps all ! The Gallente ( French in space anyway ) will fall to the futuristic equivalent of Caldari longbows!
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