Why do I get the feeling this entire thing is just an epic scam in the making?

It does seem that way, doesn't it?

Why do I get the feeling this entire thing is just an epic scam in the making?

Why do I get the feeling this entire thing is just an epic scam in the making?

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THIS
There is a strong possibility that the OP is an erotica alt and the guy who got scammed was a shill!

If you're giving the guy money I recommend you just replace his old assets, plus a little.

He could be my alt too...

I like Major's idea. Tell you what, Ziona. Post a video of yourself singing Paparazzi by Lady Gaga on YouTube and I'll give you the full 7 billion. Seriously, if you want my money, you've got to work for it.

I'll give him it, though he has to sing for it.

Deposit it with Chribba, once I get confirmation I'll post the video... I love singing.

The thread was locked and I'd prefer that the act was not discussed in this thread however I'm going to donate 1 billion isk to this guy.

Why? Because I think not all EvE players are like that, or even most EvE players are like that and even though I personally will lock down a newb, blow his ship up and pod him if I have the opportunity, its more just an impersonal thing and part of the game.

If you want to donate some isk to the guy do so and post what you donated here. Hopefully we can get up to 7 billion like he was promised.

Thank you.

I like Major's idea. Tell you what, Ziona. Post a video of yourself singing Paparazzi by Lady Gaga on YouTube and I'll give you the full 7 billion. Seriously, if you want my money, you've got to work for it.

A better song would be a flash back to the 90's: Bjork - Human Behaviour

This is a great point. In fact, if the OP sings it in Icelandic, I'll make the donation 14 bil isk.

Video first, then money. This is pretty non-negotiable.

Video first, then money. This is pretty non-negotiable.

Chribba is a trusted third party. Giving your money to him in exchange for he video is safe.
If you are refusing to arrange a third party holding with Chribba, then you were not really as "serious" as you made out. So either you cough up the dough, give it the Chribba, and you two agree terms, or Ziona has won the forum war with you by default.

Chribba is a trusted third party. Giving your money to him in exchange for he video is safe.
If you are refusing to arrange a third party holding with Chribba, then you were not really as "serious" as you made out. So either you cough up the dough, give it the Chribba, and you two agree terms, or Ziona has won the forum war with you by default.

Entertainment first, donation second. As I've already stated, I'm not too keen on parting with any some of isk if it is going to someone who is demonstrably bad at holding onto it. I don't care how trustworthy the third party is, btw, I don't do middlemen. That's my prerogative. If you translate that to mean I'm not serious, than that's your prerogative, but I do note how easily you concoct false meaning from things without having all the information you really need to establish it conclusively.

I established terms already. As it is my money I'll be parting with, it only seems reasonable that any deal is on my terms. Frankly, I'm happy to keep the money. I stated they are non-negotiable, and that's how they'll remain. How serious I am will be revealed if a video is linked in this forum of the OP doing as requested. Until then, you have no evidence of how serious I am until you see the results.

Additionally, I don't care about who 'wins' some silly forum war, because I'm not even fighting one, so if there was a forum war than she wins by default. I can only assume that not only are you willing to hastily jump to conclusions based on information that you do not have, but you frequently see things that do not exist, or read too deeply into things that should be taken at face value. Since the words I use are chosen very carefully in every post and intended entirely at face value, you have to understand that to me, you come across as quite paranoid and delusional, which means until you can demonstrate otherwise, I'm simply never going to consider you authoritative enough to dictate my terms or how serious I am about an arrangement.

Entertainment first, donation second. As I've already stated, I'm not too keen on parting with any of my isk if it is going to someone who is demonstrably bad at holding onto it. I don't care how trustworthy the third party is, btw, I don't do middlemen. That's my prerogative. If you translate that to mean I'm not serious, than that's your prerogative, but I do note how easily you concoct false meaning from things without having all the information you really need to establish it conclusively.

I established terms already. As it is my money I'll be parting with, it only seems reasonable that any deal is on my terms. Frankly, I'm happy to keep the money. I stated they are non-negotiable, and that's how they'll remain. How serious I am will be revealed if a video is linked in this forum of the OP doing as requested. Until then, you have no evidence of how serious I am until you see the results.

Additionally, I don't care about who 'wins' some silly forum war, because I'm not even fighting one, so if there was a forum war than she wins by default. I can only assume that not only are you willing to hastily jump to conclusions based on information that you do not have, but you frequently see things that do not exist, or read too deeply into things that should be taken at face value. Since the words I use are chosen very carefully in every post and intended entirely at face value, you have to understand that to me, you come across as quite paranoid and delusional, which means until you can demonstrate otherwise, I'm simply never going to consider you authoritative enough to dictate my terms or how serious I am about an arrangement.

Chribba is safer than leaving the isk in your own wallet.

If you choose not to do this, it's because you were never going to pay up, and thus not serious. Regardless of what you say to the contrary.

So either sort out your third party contract, or go back under your bridge.

Citation needed. You also have no evidence that I came out from under a bridge.

O RLY?

Evidence

Ffs just get over yourself and contact Chribba as a third party. He is by far the most trusted person in the game and won't scam you. Everyone wants to see this now.

Citation needed. I don't see how voluntarily handing my money over for a service not provided makes my isk safer than keeping it.

Citation needed. What evidence exactly do you have on me to prove that I have no intention of paying just by virtue of being skeptical about using a third party? All you have is circumstance and paranoia.

Citation needed. You also have no evidence that I came out from under a bridge.

EDIT: A little lesson about evidence.

A lack of evidence that I intend to pay is not evidence that I don't intend to pay.

Keep that in mind before you make your next rebuttal, because I quite happily acknowledge that I haven't provided any evidence that I intend to pay. Likewise, the OP has provided no evidence that (s)he intends to pass any proceeds on to the intended recipient.

Ask anyone that knows the game if Chribba is trustworthy, hell, ask CCP. The chances of you drunkenly spending your isk, or having someone access your account is higher than the risk of Chribba not paying it back.

Anyone with billions of isk should understand a third party requirement for any transaction where both sets of goods can't be simultaneously transferred. By claiming not to know, and refusing to partake, you are not serious. Best of luck when you "seriously" want to buy a supercapital or a titan.

9 times out of 10, people that refuse to use a 3rd party are scammers or trolls. Since you have nothing to gain but a warm fuzzy feeling, it's unlikely you are a scammer, thus you must be a troll.

Should you use a 3rd party, all of that is resolved. If you don't pay, Ziona doesn't make the vid, if Ziona doesn't make the vid, you get your isk back.

It really doesn't matter what you think the evidence shows. You claim to be serious, but offer nothing to back that up, so it's an empty claim.

Please link the part where I stated I didn't understand and the part where I claimed to not know. Simply by refusing to use a third party is not evidence that I'm not serious, it is evidence that I refuse to use a third party. You're jumping to conclusions. What about the whole evidence thing did you not understand? Additionally, supercaps and titans don't interest me

You said 9 out of 10, so by stating that I'm either a scammer or a troll you exclude me from the 1/10. You just planted yourself face first into your own false dichotomy.

I never claimed to be serious, but neither did the OP.

I like Major's idea. Tell you what, Ziona. Post a video of yourself singing Paparazzi by Lady Gaga on YouTube and I'll give you the full 7 billion. Seriously, if you want my money, you've got to work for it.

Nor did the OP establish a guaranteed method (ie a 'third party') for funds transfer for the intended recipient, so submitting to a third party to guarantee my claim is no guarantee to me that the money will reach the intended recipient, the supposedly "bullied" party. I would think that if the OP would be so quick as to jump on a third party to ensure his or her gains, then OP would be just as quick to apply that third party to this supposed charity.

Again, though, link the part where I claimed to be serious. You claimed I'm not serious without providing evidence to support your claim., but I never made the claim you are claiming I claimed. Tongue tied yet? I am. Anyway, I'm merely pointing out that you can't use a lack of evidence of a positive to suggest evidence of the negative. You are completely missing this concept and your grasp on the burden of proof is sorely lacking.

I'm pretty sure it was the part where you disputed the claim that Chribba is trustworthy. This shows you know nothing about third party transactions.

Nope, you're definitely not in the 1/10, that's a fact. Besides, I can smell a troll.

Yes you did:

And you also only said you'd give Ziona 7 billion. You didn't specify it was to go to the victim, neither did you question where it would go.
No, I'm not tongue tied as I already pointed out the flaw in your argument prior to reading that part (I read while I post to save time).
Again though, the burden of proof that you are serious lies with you. I need no proof as I am merely station you are not serious, and thus a troll, which the lack of action on your part towards fulfilling your end of the deal shows in itself.

Did I? Did I really? Or did I say I don't use third parties? Which one was it? Here's another one you need to link, that part where I expressly state that Chribba is untrustworthy. This makes claim number 4 I believe of something I've done that I haven't done.

As a rule, I don't do middlemen, and I don't trust anyone that doesn't earn my trust. If you have a problem with that, then that is your problem, not mine.

Citation needed or it's a false dichotomy. Stating "that's a fact" is a claim of a fact, not the evidence of a fact.

Oh, you thought this was me claiming to be serious about paying? No, this was making the point that I don't do charity. Work for your money, then get paid. Pay attention to the structure and positioning of the words. I'll rewrite it for you, just to make it more clear for your mind to handle.
"If you want my money, you have to earn it"

Either way, though, you still haven't proven that I'm not serious, so we're back to the part where even if I haven't proven that I am, that lack of evidence is not evidence that I am not serious. Are we getting it yet?

Bottom line is, I don't care if the OP makes the video or not. On one hand, I get an entertaining video out of it for the EVE community to enjoy and I'm out 7, possibly 14 billion isk, and on the other, I keep my money and continue to grow my savings. Doesn't matter where it goes, but I find it ironic that you're trying to defend the OP's demands for a third party transfer when the OP has made no such offer of a third party for the little charity (s)he is setting up. At this point, I believe the OP is trolling, and has been from the beginning of the previous thread which has since been locked as well, although me believing it is not evidence of the fact, but regardless of how my deal could be construed, be it a scam, a troll or otherwise, the same could be said for the OP's with no evidence thus far to suggest one way or the other. Perhaps you should pay a little more attention to how much money the OP is asking for and what guarantees the OP is offering that it will get to its recipient. You're so quick to jump on me for being a troll or a scammer.... is this just a personal problem you have with me or were you going to address the OP's equivalent ambiguity as well?

The thread was locked and I'd prefer that the act was not discussed in this thread however I'm going to donate 1 billion isk to this guy.

Why? Because I think not all EvE players are like that, or even most EvE players are like that and even though I personally will lock down a newb, blow his ship up and pod him if I have the opportunity, its more just an impersonal thing and part of the game.

If you want to donate some isk to the guy do so and post what you donated here. Hopefully we can get up to 7 billion like he was promised.

Thank you.

So you are going to reinforce ignorance in the same way real life Welfare Checks do?

Brilliant. You'd do much better teaching new people the ropes o fEVE online and encouraging the guy who got scammed to either smarten up or get singing lessons.

So you are going to reinforce ignorance in the same way real life Welfare Checks do?

Well the thing about welfare is that it prevents crime or disuades people from resorting to crime.

Please leave politics out of it.

especially if you try to link to things that are obviously uncorrelated as the completely ignorant will hardly be able to apply for welfare.

after reading some replies to thread opening. So we should feel sorry for people who get scammed on a game. everyone knows people scam Jita mostly. Does this look like Jita. No. it does not..

Their isnt that much lag..

If you dont use comon sense when makeing deals or accepting contracts. you deserve to get scammed.

The thread was locked and I'd prefer that the act was not discussed in this thread however I'm going to donate 1 billion isk to this guy..

I honestly dont see the value in giving a corp thief any extra money for his loss.

Nah, Erotica isn't a scammer.

Why not just post the name of the guy in question and have everyone donate directly to him?

Seems to be the most logical thing to do, no?

Well the thing about welfare is that it prevents crime or disuades people from resorting to crime. It also increases consumer spending which in turn keeps businesses in business so they can keep more people from going unemployed. It also frees up jobs for people who actually want to work and those are in short supply even at the minimum wage.

I'm not sure how that applies to this guy though.

Maybe if we donate money to him it will prevent him from becoming an online douche canoe. I know that occupation has too many people in it.

So you are going to reinforce ignorance in the same way real life Welfare Checks do?

Brilliant. You'd do much better teaching new people the ropes o fEVE online and encouraging the guy who got scammed to either smarten up or get singing lessons.

Jenn, you and I have actually been agreeing on a fair bit lately, but as a welfare recipient myself due to disability, gonna have to tell you to pull your head in on this one. All you're doing is generalising and putting all welfare recipients into the same basket of "people that make me mad". But IRL, you wouldn't know the first thing about enough of these people to make such a broad generalisation.

As for that moron that keeps putting words in my mouth in this thread, you'll find a lot of ignorance there if you're out hunting for such today. Go get him, tiger. He bores me.

Jenn, you and I have actually been agreeing on a fair bit lately, but as a welfare recipient myself due to disability, gonna have to tell you to pull your head in on this one. All you're doing is generalising and putting all welfare recipients into the same basket of "people that make me mad". But IRL, you wouldn't know the first thing about enough of these people to make such a broad generalisation.

I won't get into a real life discussion here more than it already is, but my job takes me daily to projects and trailer parks. I'm not talking about the welfare recipients who deserve help because of circumstances they can't control, I'm talking about the ones who make bad choices and then get rewarded for making bad choices. The problem with being a man is that I can't just -pregnancy- my way to ever bigger paychecks like so many of my daily "clients" do...... lol.

Which is what i'm saying here. The guy made some bad choices that any adult should have been able to avoid with 2 seconds of thinking, and Infinity Ziona wants to reward him for it. I think that's a bad idea, they think they're helping someone when in fact they are allowing those same people to stay stupid.

Doing dumb things is supposed to hurt so that people don't want to do dumb things again.

10/10

This thread delivers.

Also, first reply got it. Almost impossible this isn't a scam. And if it's not a scam, it's rewarding abject utter stupidity (not to mention willingness for self debasement).

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