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Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:24:00 -
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I was flying a Catalyst today and I noticed that it's "arm" pivots suddenly to vertical when it turns.
I was wondering what the affect of that would be on those passengers unlucky enough to situated near the end of the arm.
Estimating from the window sizes the arm of the ship appears to be about 2500 feet long. If it pivots to vertical in less than one second the acceleration/deceleration appears to be around 8000 feet per second squared, or about 250 times the accleration due to gravity. Since the average person blacks out at around 7 g's and their eyes will be destroyed around 40 g's, a ride in a Catalyst would probably be pretty uncomfortable. At 250 g's deceleration your brains would probably be coming out of your nose.
Of course, we might also wonder what variety of material the arm is made of that it can stand such torque. Hmmm.
Anyway, my recommendation would be to remain in the CENTER of the vessel if you are traveling on a Catalyst.
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Sir Jack Falstaff
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:31:00 -
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My only regret is that I have but one like to give for this post.
But for sweet Jack Falstaff, kind Jack Falstaff, true Jack Falstaff, valiant Jack Falstaff, and therefore more valiant, being, as he is, old Jack Falstaff, banish not him thy Harry's company, banish not him thy Harry's company: banish plump Jack, and banish all the world. |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1007
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:40:00 -
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It's not like we're in the future and we've somehow designed intertia dampners and seatbelts into these amazing spaceships we fly so we avoid becoming space pancakes...
mmm....pancakes...
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword |
Hawelt
Warpspeed Shipping Inc.
9
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:45:00 -
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Droidster wrote:
Anyway, my recommendation would be to remain in the CENTER of the vessel if you are traveling on a Catalyst.
Either warp drives avoid such problems entirely or they required some technology to allow your whole ship to accelerate at a couple of AU/s^2 safely.
After a couple of seconds slowly getting into warp especially interceptors get some ludicrous acceleration to the point where it can get difficult to place a bookmark in the middle during a 2-5 AU warp. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2596
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:47:00 -
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Pods.
Strippers.
Enough said.
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Posting From Underbridge
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:21:00 -
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The 7G limit is only in a low density medium like air.
If you're floating in goop with the same density as your body (and your lungs filled with the same goop) then it's much higher.
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Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
444
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:27:00 -
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Droidster wrote:At 250 g's deceleration your brains would probably be coming out of your nose. ... and nothing of value was lost.
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Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:29:00 -
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Posting From Underbridge wrote:The 7G limit is only in a low density medium like air.
If you're floating in goop with the same density as your body (and your lungs filled with the same goop) then it's much higher.
Goop makes no difference. The blackout is caused by blood circulation being interrupted because the blood is forced against turns in blood vessels in the brain. |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation
Shadow Cartel
587
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:33:00 -
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I take Prozac to stop my brain from shooting out of my head...
Visit my blog for all the latest in jeers and tears as well as news at hoistthecolors.org |
Caviar Liberta
Moira.
Villore Accords
151
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:37:00 -
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Posting From Underbridge wrote:The 7G limit is only in a low density medium like air.
If you're floating in goop with the same density as your body (and your lungs filled with the same goop) then it's much higher.
This is for us pod pilots in the pod suspension of course. But those that are walking around on the ship I will do a little hand waving here.
If there isn't inertia compensation then lets say a localized field is generated that makes the apparent mass of those on board reduce greatly. So as you exceed what would normally be unsafe g-forces would have little effect on your reduced apparent mass.
Then of course the crew could have a very advanced version of this on the ships.
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Posting From Underbridge
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:59:00 -
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Droidster wrote:
Goop makes no difference. The blackout is caused by blood circulation being interrupted because the blood is forced against turns in blood vessels in the brain.
Try again.
Why do you think G-suits work?
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baltec1
Bat Country
7823
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:02:00 -
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Space is a liquid therefore G-forces do not apply. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3234
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:35:00 -
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Stealth nerf ECM thread. |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
197
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:41:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Space is a liquid therefore G-forces do not apply.
This^
I like how you apply the forces of gravity when there is no gravity. |
Lord Azeroth
Perkone
Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:49:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:I take Prozac to stop my brain from shooting out of my head...
Has it worked ? |
Posting From Underbridge
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:52:00 -
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Donbe Scurred wrote:baltec1 wrote:Space is a liquid therefore G-forces do not apply. This^ I like how you apply the forces of gravity when there is no gravity.
I seem to have missed an opportunity here. My hats off to you both. |
Sir Substance
I N E X T R E M I S
Gentlemen's Agreement
604
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:59:00 -
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It's an interesting question, and one of the key arguments against there being any crew in your ships.
If your pod was in the center of rotation of the ship and noone else was on board then it would be fine, structural integrity notwithstanding.
If you press the die-hard ship crew believers on this, they'll eventually end up going "Technomagic! I win!". It's a pickle, for sure.
Ishtar Starfire: As a pure caldari pilot i feel that with the deployment of the new tier 3 battlecruisers you have given an unfair advantage to everyone except caldari pilots. an example would be like giving a fat kid a whole cake while the skinny kid has to watch and get nothing.
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Praxis Ginimic
Dark Knight Legion
The Hydra Confederacy
488
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Posted - 2013.09.05 05:10:00 -
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V-I-D-E-O-G-A-M-E |
Mr Pragmatic
630
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Posted - 2013.09.05 05:18:00 -
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OVER 9000!
Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |
Posting From Underbridge
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.09.05 05:25:00 -
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Crew? In my ship?
It's more likely than you think! |
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
Home Front Coalition
657
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Posted - 2013.09.05 06:14:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Space is a liquid therefore G-forces do not apply.
Quoted for truth. Eve is modelled after Lovecraft's universe. We're not dealing with a vacuum, but with eather. Many gameplay mechanics support this scientific fact and your tears fuel the dreams of Cthulhu. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics
CODE.
420
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Posted - 2013.09.05 06:45:00 -
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IIRC, the answer is:
Your ship applies a precise artificial gravity field to counteract G forces created by maneuvering. Ties back into ship size and maneuverability...small ship, small crew, not as many calculations for the computer to counteract forces. Big ship, big crew, lots of calculations to avoid chunky salsa effect.
Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Icarus Able
Traverse Holdings
77
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Posted - 2013.09.05 07:17:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:baltec1 wrote:Space is a liquid therefore G-forces do not apply. Quoted for truth. Eve is modelled after Lovecraft's universe. We're not dealing with a vacuum, but with eather. Many gameplay mechanics support this scientific fact and your tears fuel the dreams of Cthulhu.
The space is the same as normal space. There is lore to explain the "liquid" properties space seems to have.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
245
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Posted - 2013.09.05 07:29:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:IIRC, the answer is:
Your ship applies a precise artificial gravity field to counteract G forces created by maneuvering. Ties back into ship size and maneuverability...small ship, small crew, not as many calculations for the computer to counteract forces. Big ship, big crew, lots of calculations to avoid chunky salsa effect.
Artificial gravity with artificial mass? 
Acceleration is G force in space. You should accelerate in opossite direction to counteract the acceleration to be precise. Stay in place to counteract all forces.
New CQ prototype |
Mythrandier
Spacelane Salvage
6
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Posted - 2013.09.05 07:30:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Stealth nerf ECM thread.
Catalysts dude, this is clearly a stealth nerf suicude ganking thread and I, am poasting in it.
"It is better to light a flame thrower than curse the darkness." --á T. Pratchett. |
Daisai
Daisai Investments.
142
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Posted - 2013.09.05 07:34:00 -
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Droidster wrote:I was flying a Catalyst today and I noticed that it's "arm" pivots suddenly to vertical when it turns.
I was wondering what the affect of that would be on those passengers unlucky enough to situated near the end of the arm.
Estimating from the window sizes the arm of the ship appears to be about 2500 feet long. If it pivots to vertical in less than one second the acceleration/deceleration appears to be around 8000 feet per second squared, or about 250 times the accleration due to gravity. Since the average person blacks out at around 7 g's and their eyes will be destroyed around 40 g's, a ride in a Catalyst would probably be pretty uncomfortable. At 250 g's deceleration your brains would probably be coming out of your nose.
Of course, we might also wonder what variety of material the arm is made of that it can stand such torque. Hmmm.
Anyway, my recommendation would be to remain in the CENTER of the vessel if you are traveling on a Catalyst.
Even though there is some gravity in space because of surrounding planets, the gravity is alot lower then on the surface on earth ( which is where g forces are based on).
With less gravity you get less g forces with the same turn as you would on earth.
So what you might think would be braincrushing probably isnt in space, at least it depends on where you are and how far you are from the planets around you and their mass.
Also with this logic every single time you enter a wormhole you would die, since the g forces in there are enough to destroy your molecular structure.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
245
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Posted - 2013.09.05 07:41:00 -
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Quote:So what you might think would be braincrushing probably isnt in space, at least it depends on where you are and how far you are from the planets around you and their mass.
You forgot accelarion of the ship and even this body's Inertial mass. There you have the G force in space. You could rip apart the catalyst.
New CQ prototype |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
3213
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Posted - 2013.09.05 11:49:00 -
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Space rotates around my frame of reference when I turn. It's easier on the crew that way.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
247
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:30:00 -
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Considering moving point of reference (space) along with whole catalyst, it would make sense to accelerate from 0 km/s to 1000000 km/s in one second, and then stopping without breaking even for capitals. We don't have that in game and mass still plays a role in fitting and acceleration, so there is G force.
New CQ prototype |
Zaknussem
Everybody Loves Donuts
54
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:41:00 -
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Someone pondered this same question several years ago, except they were looking at Iteron Mk 5's and the Apocalypse.
They reached the same conclusion, that considering graviton physics that we know of today, it would be uncomfortable to be at the extreme end of either ship when it decides to align to warp. |
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