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Heff
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Posted - 2006.01.08 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Heff on 08/01/2006 19:34:52
 Originally by: Dark Shikari
Why can't you have a magnetic field? Nothing says you can't.
Use superconducting coils on the back of the sphere to create a field and funnel the wind into channels.
Shikari, have you ever kissed a girl?
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St Dragon
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Posted - 2006.01.08 19:38:00 -
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Just to say a dyson spere is made by deconstructing all the natural bodies in a star system [ planets moons space dust etc]. And reassembling it into a giant shell surrounding the star.
Personally i reckon the really big thing ccp hinted at is rogue drone based.
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2006.01.08 19:48:00 -
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For a sphere to work, it would have to be assembled instantly, I can see no practical way to "weld" it together in sections, and obviously it needs to be split into at least 2 parts to be able to engulf a sun. Hardly likely to ever become a reality, unless there are creatures the size of suns to do the work.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.08 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
For a sphere to work, it would have to be assembled instantly, I can see no practical way to "weld" it together in sections, and obviously it needs to be split into at least 2 parts to be able to engulf a sun. Hardly likely to ever become a reality, unless there are creatures the size of suns to do the work.
Why can't it be welded into sections?
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.08 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Halo is a horrible, pathetic ripoff of Larry Niven's Ringworld. It tosses all the good ideas behind the ringworld, and all the actual hard science fiction, and pretends it is a real, creative story.
Uh, no?
"Halo" is FAR more similar to the Orbitals of Ian M. Bank's "Culture" series.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2006.01.08 20:21:00 -
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You wanna hear something really spooky? I imagined a dyson sphere at the age of six, long before I knew anything about space, or heard of a dyson sphere.
Talk about overactive imagination eh..
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2006.01.08 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
For a sphere to work, it would have to be assembled instantly, I can see no practical way to "weld" it together in sections, and obviously it needs to be split into at least 2 parts to be able to engulf a sun. Hardly likely to ever become a reality, unless there are creatures the size of suns to do the work.
Why can't it be welded into sections?
I can't see how it is possible to build segments so close to the sun and be able to lock them together. They way I see it, the sphere has to instantly materialize in a built form around the sun, or else it will never be balanced enough to counter the mass of the sun.
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Ayla Vanir
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Posted - 2006.01.08 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
I can't see how it is possible to build segments so close to the sun and be able to lock them together. They way I see it, the sphere has to instantly materialize in a built form around the sun, or else it will never be balanced enough to counter the mass of the sun.
I subscribe to the idea that anything imaginable is achievable. Just takes time and resources. Anyway, here's my shot at implementation:
Build the first 'unit' of the project at the correct orbital distance and vector (velocity, direction of travel) for the mass of that unit. Use some propulsive force to adjust the orbit as you add more and more widgets to your sphere.
Seperately, some form artificial gravity came up as being necessary for success. I thought you could just sort of spin the thing around, and you'd have some centrifugal force providing for a gravitational effect for the denizens of this thing.
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Krak Ho
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Posted - 2006.01.08 23:45:00 -
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Hmmm.... any artificial gravity you instill on the sphere segments would likely draw it toward its companion star. You would constantly need to adjust the orbit and velocity as you attached more segments and activated more gravitational fields.
Also, what about the unshielded radiation the inside surface of the sphere would be bombarded with? Would you have an artificial atmosphere (ozone, clouds, etc) to block the star's radiation? Would they create weather?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.08 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
For a sphere to work, it would have to be assembled instantly, I can see no practical way to "weld" it together in sections, and obviously it needs to be split into at least 2 parts to be able to engulf a sun. Hardly likely to ever become a reality, unless there are creatures the size of suns to do the work.
Why can't it be welded into sections?
I can't see how it is possible to build segments so close to the sun and be able to lock them together. They way I see it, the sphere has to instantly materialize in a built form around the sun, or else it will never be balanced enough to counter the mass of the sun.
They're not "so close"--they're 90 million kilometers away. You just push them into orbit.
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St Dragon
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Posted - 2006.01.09 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
For a sphere to work, it would have to be assembled instantly, I can see no practical way to "weld" it together in sections, and obviously it needs to be split into at least 2 parts to be able to engulf a sun. Hardly likely to ever become a reality, unless there are creatures the size of suns to do the work.
Why can't it be welded into sections?
I can't see how it is possible to build segments so close to the sun and be able to lock them together. They way I see it, the sphere has to instantly materialize in a built form around the sun, or else it will never be balanced enough to counter the mass of the sun.
They're not "so close"--they're 90 million kilometers away. You just push them into orbit.
He is quite right if you read any books about dyson speres they are usually this sort of size.
For comparison purposses if owere solar system was deconstructed and remade into a D-Sphere then its shell would intersect where the earths orbit used to be that way the inner surface of the spere is not only at the right distance to support life and an atmospere also it looks cool. 
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.09 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ada Wong
In order to all the "i want this and that" threads here i come:
I think it was in E-ON where i read "Titans are going to be the biggest things in eve althaught we planing for something REAL BIG" now i wonder what could that be?
Ever heard of the theroy of the Dyson Sphere? (seen in lots of movies and also in the game Freelancer) Basicaly a gigantic sphere as big as a solar system and you live on the inside of it.
NOW ccp! I WANT A DYSON SPHEERE !
p.s. : wrote drunk, may i forgive myself tomorrow :)
Dyson's theory is nice and all, but the bottom line is that the sheer materials you'd need to build and maintain such an object would take dozens, if not hundreds of planets worth of materials, and hundreds/thousands of years to build.
Also, nomatter how durable it would be, those large, city-sized asteroids that float around space would cause decades worth of damage to one when it'd hit.
All in all, they'd be cool, but they'd never survive, they'd get damaged and destroyed faster than you can repair the damage.
Originally by: Oveur
I am not interested in "the lottery sucks" or "more tech 2 blueprints" since that is pretty much stating the obvious.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.09 02:47:00 -
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Hmmm... I am no physicist so what I say may be dumb but here goes.
Cant we find some kind of superconductive/superreactive dust/particles and diffuse them across the solar system, and stick millions of rods and use them to create a chain reaction like how electrolytic cells work. Sun's energy is channel through medium, which is channelled to rods then to output.
Not sure whether anyone gets me or not.
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Gib Goblin
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Posted - 2006.05.03 11:47:00 -
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'Q' Could build a Dyson sphere, he would just click his fingers and roll of a witty remark...."Make is so..." - while winking at Picard.
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.05.03 12:15:00 -
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You could build one in a few years with the right technology.
1 AI
2 Self Replicating Nano Technology
3 Creating matter from energy
The nanites could build themselves by absorbing energy from the sun to create matter used to create a new nanite. The first nanite is now 2 nanites, from there they both create another copy using the energy to matter conversion, then you have 4, then 8, 16, 32, 64, and so on.
Not saying any of it's possible, but just because we haven't invented the technology to do so yet doesn't mean we wont.
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.05.03 12:18:00 -
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Or, move a blackhole close to the solar system you want to build the sphere in (not to close or you'll destroy it.
Then blow it up, direct the explosion in such a way that the matter orbits the star, then the nanites can get to work building the sphere if you do not have the means to create matter from energy.
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Uther Doull
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Posted - 2006.05.03 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
And building one that had gravity (required if you want to have a civilization living on the inside, to keep the atmosphere down) would mean it would spin, which would require the material it is made of to be as strong as an atomic nucleus.
woudln't that only really work around the equator? there would definatly be no gravity at and around the poles (talking about equator and poles of the spin axis ofcourse)
what would be a better solution is to have some kind of artificial gravity provided by a gravity generator (would be a ***** if it failed though :P
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.05.03 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Gib Goblin
'Q' Could build a Dyson sphere, he would just click his fingers and roll of a witty remark...."Make is so..." - while winking at Picard.
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.05.03 12:28:00 -
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We're talking some serious technology here anyways, in eve we have shields, if you had shields protecting the sphere from the radiation, you wouldn't have that problem.
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Dinique
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Posted - 2006.05.03 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Dinique on 03/05/2006 12:28:39
I want a pilotable, shrunk down planet. With ring thingies around it. Think Anachronox.
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Lil Thief
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Posted - 2006.05.03 12:48:00 -
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Ok, I'll support throwing in a ringworld or two in Eve, but no Dyson sphere.
Either way, docking at a ring or sphere would be pretty cool.
I want Black Holes!! Well comets would be pretty cool too, but yeah! Black Holes!! Ripping ships and planets apart that come too close!! And the occasional Nova or Super Nova of an inhabited system!! Total Carnage!! I love it!!!
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.05.03 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lil Thief
Ok, I'll support throwing in a ringworld or two in Eve, but no Dyson sphere.
Either way, docking at a ring or sphere would be pretty cool.
I want Black Holes!! Well comets would be pretty cool too, but yeah! Black Holes!! Ripping ships and planets apart that come too close!! And the occasional Nova or Super Nova of an inhabited system!! Total Carnage!! I love it!!!
Give titans black hole guns.
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vanBuskirk
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Posted - 2006.05.03 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Assuming you don't spin it for gravity and instead have gravity generators, a ringworld is much more reasonable. You'd have to have a very powerful solar-powered laser to defend it against meteors, but the cost depends on the size.
Paraphrase I'm sure:
"Louis, you wanted to know. Just before the stasis field went up, the sensors detected the following: There were large magnetic disturbances emanating from the Ringworld, and then a rather odd solar flare erupted, straight at Liar.
And then it lased in violet."
A laser powered by a solar flare. And some people think titan doomsday devices are impressive...
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Sub rose
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Posted - 2006.05.03 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Boonaki
You could build one in a few years with the right technology.
1 AI
2 Self Replicating Nano Technology
3 Creating matter from energy
The nanites could build themselves by absorbing energy from the sun to create matter used to create a new nanite. The first nanite is now 2 nanites, from there they both create another copy using the energy to matter conversion, then you have 4, then 8, 16, 32, 64, and so on.
Not saying any of it's possible, but just because we haven't invented the technology to do so yet doesn't mean we wont.
Sorry but that wont work. Lets be pretty generous here and say that these nano-bots are able to create the sphere out of a material so advanced that the sphere only has to be 1m thick to withstand the gravitational fluctuations whilst the material itself only has a density of 10kgm-3. (Putting this in perspective steel is about 8000kgm-3 and air about 1.2kgm-3). For a sphere of this nature at 1au from the star the total mass of material needed is 2.5e33 kg which equates to 2.25e50 J for a 100% efficient process. Unfortanely stars like our Sun can only produce about 1.3e44 J before they have completely burned out which leaves us somewhat short.
Yes I know I'm a geek .... but a geek with a masters degree in astro-physics 
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ReaperOfSly
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Posted - 2006.05.03 14:59:00 -
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Why couldn't it be that some other ancient long-dead civilisation built one? Obviously, they'd be hard to spot because they'd mask their star. No asteroids would have hit it because they all went into the construction of the sphere. The Joves would find them first because they're awesome. Then they'd let us have access to them in exchange for a human fingernail or something.
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xplosiv
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Posted - 2006.05.03 15:12:00 -
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DS you mentioned in a post not to long ago that the gates in eve had a truely huge mass (more than a black hole?)
yet they still retain their structural design and shape.
this would sugest that materiasl of strength to build a dyson spheer are possible in eve.
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Kylania
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Posted - 2006.05.03 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Halo is a horrible, pathetic ripoff of Larry Niven's Ringworld. It tosses all the good ideas behind the ringworld, and all the actual hard science fiction, and pretends it is a real, creative story.
Uh, no?
"Halo" is FAR more similar to the Orbitals of Ian M. Bank's "Culture" series.
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Posted - 2006.05.03 15:37:00 -
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You've all missed the biggest drawback in terms of Eve.
Even if we had Dyson's spheres or Ringworlds...they wouldn't be any more exciting than our current planets are.
It'd be a one time "oh, look at that!", just like the monoliths are.
Now, if CCP ever gets around to making planets interesting....
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.05.03 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sub rose
Originally by: Boonaki
You could build one in a few years with the right technology.
1 AI
2 Self Replicating Nano Technology
3 Creating matter from energy
The nanites could build themselves by absorbing energy from the sun to create matter used to create a new nanite. The first nanite is now 2 nanites, from there they both create another copy using the energy to matter conversion, then you have 4, then 8, 16, 32, 64, and so on.
Not saying any of it's possible, but just because we haven't invented the technology to do so yet doesn't mean we wont.
Sorry but that wont work. Lets be pretty generous here and say that these nano-bots are able to create the sphere out of a material so advanced that the sphere only has to be 1m thick to withstand the gravitational fluctuations whilst the material itself only has a density of 10kgm-3. (Putting this in perspective steel is about 8000kgm-3 and air about 1.2kgm-3). For a sphere of this nature at 1au from the star the total mass of material needed is 2.5e33 kg which equates to 2.25e50 J for a 100% efficient process. Unfortanely stars like our Sun can only produce about 1.3e44 J before they have completely burned out which leaves us somewhat short.
Yes I know I'm a geek .... but a geek with a masters degree in astro-physics
How about a binary star system then? Use the material from the second star to create a ring or a sphere?
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Zoon
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Posted - 2006.05.03 16:03:00 -
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Let's just cover the moon with solar panels and drag a big cable between it and us to deliver the power.
No need for nuclear power anymore 
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