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Gorgons
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Posted - 2006.01.09 10:48:00 -
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Yeeaaahhhh another pirate whine thread...
And by the way, I hate cats, so I'm gonna fit some WCS just for that 
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Gaius Sejanus
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Posted - 2006.01.09 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Gaius Sejanus on 09/01/2006 11:37:40
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I think I talk on behave of many in eve when I say : STFU
That's nice. I *KNOW* I speak on behalf of the MAJORITY of the playerbase (doubt it? Check pilots in space in highsec vs low/0-sec at any time of day) when I laugh in your face, and fit as many WCS as I feel like.
Gee, just imagine how fun the game would be with the only counter to warp scrambling being range. Or rather and with much greater accuracy; imagine how empty the game would be.
Pretty hard to pirate on people playing a different game.
ps: The part I really enjoy about the pirates is the hypocrisy. People complain about how dangerous going outside of high-sec, and the pirate response is always "Bring friends!" but the pirates expect to be able to do their jobs solo. Tough noogies, cupcakes. If you want to beat warp stabs, then BRING FRIENDS. Do you have any?
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.01.09 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 09/01/2006 11:45:07
bring friends argument is flawed... because when you do, wcs wh@res wont fight.
Still -4 kills most of them.
HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] >
they ebayed the bs for
grain
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.01.09 11:51:00 -
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this is sooooo easy to solve, make warpcorestabs cpu stack. first stab 30 cpu next 50% extra = 45 next again 50% is 67.5 cpu.
haulers have insane cpu so they will have np, but the max stabs you can fit on workable setup will be 2 else you will gimp the ship to much
im going to get a medal for this ^^
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Smeagol
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Posted - 2006.01.09 13:57:00 -
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Like Sirokko said:
"stabs are the key to winning battles where you are outnumbered."
Some of u guys doesnt seem to understand that ?
They just keep on whining cuz they didnt get that special kill ;)
Nuff said!
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Cade Morrigan
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Posted - 2006.01.09 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Fear
Stabs are one way to avoid having to play smart. They are the stupid pilot's substitute for tactics and mobility. Fitting them means that you completely forfeit the right to complain about getting ganked.
Tactics and mobility... so someone is out ratting in a ship set up for PvE and gets jumped by someone set up for PvP, you're saying they are stupid if they've fit a way to escape sure death? Sorry but you are incorrect. the person wearing the WCS is "smart" to do so and he wins the "tactical" battle if his goal is simply to avoid getting ganked mid-pull.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.01.09 15:36:00 -
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Bubbles :P
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Hectaire Glade
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Posted - 2006.01.09 15:51:00 -
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Anyone got suggestions for my new Apoc fit? currently thinking of
8 Heavy NOS
AB, Webber, scram and a cap booster
5 stabs, 2 LAR
Lotsa kitten deaths there....
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2006.01.09 15:52:00 -
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I'll stop fitting stabs on my haulers and mining ships the moment pirates stop fitting warp scramblers on their ships. Deal?
Ffs, the current batch of whiny pirates is unbelievable. You want to kill me, you have to work for it.
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HankMurphy
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Posted - 2006.01.09 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: HankMurphy on 09/01/2006 15:54:33
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
I'll stop fitting stabs on my haulers and mining ships the moment pirates stop fitting warp scramblers on their ships. Deal?
Ffs, the current batch of whiny pirates is unbelievable. You want to kill me, you have to work for it.
yeah, ya gotta love the "i'm billy badass" in the bio and the "stand still so my raven and your mammoth can have a fair fight" in local
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Boris2k
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Posted - 2006.01.09 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Boris2k on 09/01/2006 16:32:03
yea its well funny... the fact that people would entertain such a childish thread is funny too, oh well might as well succumb to peer pressure :)
WCS rule, and suck it when i warp out at 50%hull, that was the point, cause then when u ***** i laugh extra hard HAHAHA:P
EDIT: to all the ones that didnt whine, as i only ever equip 2 i do always pray b4 an expedition that none of you ratty bastards have trained up propulsion jamming to 5...
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Glock 9mm
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Posted - 2006.01.09 17:12:00 -
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I don't like cats....
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Black 1
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Posted - 2006.01.09 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Destroyed items:
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I
720mm Howitzer Artillery I
Stasis Webifier I
ECM - Multispectral Jammer I
EMP M
EMP M
EMP M
Damn it mada stop showing ppl my setup 
Im joking ofc 
My views/opinions do not reflect the views/opinions of my corp.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2006.01.09 17:53:00 -
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I use stabs. I just lost a ship due to being scrambled. Thus rats who complain about stabs are just not able to pirate effectively. Maybe it's time you chose a different line of work?
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Alerce
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Posted - 2006.01.09 18:43:00 -
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WAaaahaha, i can not chase people, waaaah my dps is not enough, waaaan they keep warping awaaaay, waaaahhhhh.
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2006.01.09 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Alzion
I find it pretty sad that this type of viewpoint exists in the game
How about taking a look at this from another viewpoint? A pirate buys a ship and sets it up for the sole intent of not allowing a target escape while being attacked, sacrificing valuable midslots and capacitor on warp disruption mods and possibly webbifiers. He spends time that he could spend mining, trading, or NPCing to wait for a target in low security space (where he/she is already in danger of other pirates) to be able to lock down and engage a target to finaly get a kill.
Then you guys believe that you should be kept in a state of inviobility in an area pre-identified to you as dangerous space by the ability to stack large ammounts passive lowslot mods that completely nullify his/her efforts.
Seems a little unfair eh?
I live in 0.0 space with the constant threat of being ganked around the next corner, but ive never felt the need to use WCS. There are plenty of ways to avoid pirates and hostiles without a god moduale if you use your head.
Boo farcking hoo...People play this game for their enjoyment...not others.
Where is it written that pirates should not have to work for it?
I spend a fair amount of time in lowsec I never fit stabs, currently I am dipping my toe in 0.0 I still don't fit stabs. Since I use other tactics/fittings to avoid pirates (forgive me if i don't list em here), can I expect my way of avoiding fights I don't want to part in nerfed?
There is nothing anyware that says the pirates wanting to lock someone down should trump the targets ability for the target to make this hard.
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Lilane
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Posted - 2006.01.09 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Lilane on 09/01/2006 19:51:34
Originally by: Blind Fear
Stabs are one way to avoid having to play smart. They are the stupid pilot's substitute for tactics and mobility. Fitting them means that you completely forfeit the right to complain about getting ganked.
+1...
I can't see where is the smart part in fitting 4+ WCS on ships, especially snipers ones you take near a full hour to approach and who then vanish despite your scramblers...
Originally by: Adonis 4174
Thus rats who complain about stabs are just not able to pirate effectively. Maybe it's time you chose a different line of work?
Rats are WCS users actually...
In fact the true problem with WCS is that they are 100% reliable. Something that would be great would be to give them some chance of failure. Probably something alike the "new" ECM system.
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NebulousBlur
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Posted - 2006.01.09 20:00:00 -
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Mo Steel
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Posted - 2006.01.09 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lilane
In fact the true problem with WCS is that they are 100% reliable. Something that would be great would be to give them some chance of failure. Probably something alike the "new" ECM system.
Sure, if you make scramblers chance based too. But I think then you'd REALLY hear some crying from the "pirates". I use "pirates" loosely because most pirates can figure out how to counter WCS without complaining on the forums. |
Lilane
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Posted - 2006.01.09 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mo Steel
Originally by: Lilane
In fact the true problem with WCS is that they are 100% reliable. Something that would be great would be to give them some chance of failure. Probably something alike the "new" ECM system.
Sure, if you make scramblers chance based too. (...)
Indeed 
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FiGHT XZen
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Posted - 2006.01.09 20:08:00 -
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all this ****ing carebears scare me
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Jamius
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Posted - 2006.01.09 20:41:00 -
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Stabs are fine - I am a pirate and I think they are fine.
In my early PvP days in 0.0 I got into many more fights because I used stabs. I was still learning so I needed a little get out clause to see what I can handle. Since the Eve insurance scheme is joke it was the only way I could properly learn PvP with the ISK I had. Unless I went in massively outnumbering my opponent - which is far more lame than fitting a stab or 2 and you learn very little about how to fight properly (apart from greater numbers = win most of the time).
I don't use them now as I have a much better understanding of what I can fight in 1 ship or another and my ships benefit accordingly with more low slots for juicier fittings.
Anyway - what ever happened to just having a good ol fight. Many of my most enjoyable fights resulted in no-one losing their ships and lots of mutual respect.
Oh and if stabs bug you try an armor tanked Raven with 3 or 4 disruptors, or if you can get the range, scramblers instead. I have used such a Raven on several occasions and beaten other BS's solo with ease. Work out the whole setup yourself but it works and I never lost once until I fought a very tough pirate named Keta Min (I never had lots of scramblers fitted but I was armor tanking and the basic setup is the same).
They waste a low slot on a stab then adapt and use another warp scrambler. Or get close and use scramblers not disruptors - they need 2 wcs to counter 1 scrambler remember.
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Sirokko
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Posted - 2006.01.09 21:02:00 -
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Stabs definatly have their place in PVP and those who say they don't are carebears.
Example: You're pirating in some 0.0 system, and some group of nosy do-gooders decides they won't allow this ( ) and camp you in this system, crying noob, why don't you 1v1 our blob and the like. Luckily, you've got your trusty stabs fitted. You warp into their nice camp, gank a tackler or 2, and warp out before they can pop you. More cries in local about "WCS n00bz0r, wtf u little puss *****," but you've just got 2 more kill mails, and still have you're ship.. and hopefully their loot ;)
repeat ad nauseum, till you get sick of their whining or they get sick of losing ships :)
PVP with WCS fun? yes.
Honorable? who the **** cares.
And yes, I also curse profusely when i can't gank a hauler because of stabs, but if I could gank every hauler I see, then there wouldn't be any haulers left
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Duke Karas
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Posted - 2006.01.09 21:20:00 -
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Hell, pirates use WCS more than anyone else, precisely because many are solo operators. The definition of a pirate's job is to only attack something he can defeat (normally. I know there are nutjobs out there who will attack anything :))
The WCS issue is bigger than rat vs bear. It really raises the issue of how dangerous should low-sec space really be? Should you really be safe from anything other than massive gank-fleets while traveling in low-sec space?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.09 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
this is sooooo easy to solve, make warpcorestabs cpu stack. first stab 30 cpu next 50% extra = 45 next again 50% is 67.5 cpu.
haulers have insane cpu so they will have np, but the max stabs you can fit on workable setup will be 2 else you will gimp the ship to much
i like it
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2006.01.09 22:03:00 -
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Good thing Im a dog person then.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.01.09 22:04:00 -
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ppl say, adapt to the warp core stabilizer usage,
well i certainly do.
i dont fly solo since some time alrdy, but go around in groups - as its impossible to catch some1 with just one scrambler/disruptor these days.
u say ganking is boring?
u say camping with bubbles is boring?
i agree - but thats what the only solutions to the current prob are.
btw, damn to the highslot scram thingie.. ;)
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Aura Deveroux
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Posted - 2006.01.09 22:26:00 -
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One vote for WCS working just fine as they are.
ZB
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NebulousBlur
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Posted - 2006.01.09 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Fester Addams
Good thing Im a dog person then.
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DaveW
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Posted - 2006.01.09 23:08:00 -
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With all due respect..., do you actually believe I care about what anyone in this game thinks concerning how many Warp Stabilzers I use?
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