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Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.01.09 02:03:00 - [1] Something that has always bugged me in EVE, and will probably still exist heavily in Kali. Unless you RP, alot, race doesn't really mean anything. Caldari fly their ships and Minmatar ships just as well as anyone else, and it's just seems wrong. Wouldn't it make sense to be more or less effective with some ships than others, regardless of the level of the related skill? right now, race means nothing to those who don't RP, and come Kali, you know they're not going to simply restrict people's allies, as it would make no sense for an empire to suddenly turn on someone with a high standing to them due to race. So my question to CCP is, is there any plan to make races have some sort of (dis)advantage with certain ships? You'd think someone born and raised, then trained by their home empire, would be better with said empire's ships, than someone trained in a different empire, to use different ships, despite picking up a skillbook. Think of it like this: Gallente are the masters of the arts of Drone blobbing, and have been since being wtfpwnd by Caldari fighters, so why should someone else beable to match them perfectly? That's like saying going to school is useless because in the end, anyone else who reads the same book as you will understand it just as well, and that is simply not true. Originally by: Oveur I am not interested in "the lottery sucks" or "more tech 2 blueprints" since that is pretty much stating the obvious.
Syrec	Posted - 2006.01.09 02:04:00 - [2] This wouldn't be a good idea so late in the game. People with other race ships trained would be ****ed.
Ralinn	Posted - 2006.01.09 02:32:00 - [3] Edited by: Ralinn on 09/01/2006 02:33:19 My being foreign doesn't prevent me from being better at english than some americans I know. You training skills IS going to school, in the world of EVE. Also, in my opinion, the fact that you can master everything you want in EVE, not being limited by something you picked at character creation 2 years ago, is crucial.
Noriath	Posted - 2006.01.09 02:48:00 - [4] The race of your character shouldn't affect things that much I think, the races in Eve are more character archetypes like fighters, scientists, engineers, etc. then acctual races of humans. I mean imagine two people of different races had a child, obviously this would work, however, you simply can't have a character that's a mix between a whole bunch of races. What I do think however is that political afiliations should have more impact on what you do in the world of Eve. I think there should be ways to join a faction more permanently then just grinding missions for access to certain perks. Maybe where you are born should have an impact on your faction relations, but even there it shouldn't be that big of a deal.
nahtoh	Posted - 2006.01.09 02:54:00 - [5] Don't see why it should matter, the ships are different but pods and pod control systems are the same as they all came from the same source. The only race diff I can see that would make sense is to make it harder for pilots of one empire to raise standing with their opposing empire up to a point, but once that point is reached then it cancels its self out. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Ulthar	Posted - 2006.01.09 05:18:00 - [6] Race is a social construct based on phenotype, not an indication of inherent ability. In Eve, this applies as well, unless you are a Jove, in which case all rules are out. The numbers thing you can consider the effects of one's upbringing. In terms of social science, I think that Eve's approach to races is entirely sound. The thing is, when you make your decision in character creation you are not limited in the future, except by attribute distribution. And even that has only a small part in how your character progresses. With the way we learn skills (popping a new program into our implants), there is no reason why any pod pilot cannot learn to be as efficient as any other, given time. In the end, all anyone can achieve in any skill is level 5, and all that separates new characters is the skills they are born with. Adopt a Paramilitary today! Support your patriots!
Kuolematon	Posted - 2006.01.09 06:33:00 - [7] Early when I joined EVE I was afraid that race should affect something. Now I'm glad that it does not affect. For this reason, you see alot of Caldari's because of their uber starting attributes. Azuriel Talloth: If it ain't broke, change it so it mildly annoys the playerbase
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.01.09 06:35:00 - [8] id love if that b whappen - maybe every1 wouldg et a chance to change his race? but on the otherhand would it suck for many players, so there would have to b another solution, like being merced, marked as outsider or somethin i know im talkin crap..
Gierling	Posted - 2006.01.09 06:50:00 - [9] IMHO, every race should get a race specific minor boost. Something nice but not too overpowering. Like Amarr should have a 10% Blanket cap reduction on weapon use, Minmater should have a 10% Blanket velocity bonus, Gallente should gain +1 drone control ability, and Caldari should have 10% blueprint research time bonus. snip That's not very appropriate. - Teblin
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.01.09 06:57:00 - [10] Will race ever affect more than RP? Yes. Will it ever affect a person's abilities or skills? No. Not in the short term, anyway. I'm intanki so I started with some pretty ****ty attributes for training ship skills. As a result, I've probably got less SP than I should for my age since I train those skills anyway. I made a much better miner or industrialist due to my race's stats. How will race affect more than RP? Faction warfare.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.01.09 06:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Gierling IMHO, every race should get a race specific minor boost. Something nice but not too overpowering. Like Amarr should have a 10% Blanket cap reduction on weapon use, Minmater should have a 10% Blanket velocity bonus, Gallente should gain +1 drone control ability, and Caldari should have 10% blueprint research time bonus. You all get combat bonuses and we get a research bonus? Are insane? Caldari should get a 10% range bonus, which would translate to optimal range in turrets and velocity in missiles. -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Aodha Khan	Posted - 2006.01.09 07:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Something that has always bugged me in EVE, and will probably still exist heavily in Kali. Wouldn't it make sense to be more or less effective with some ships than others, regardless of the level of the related skill? No. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
bumcheekcity	Posted - 2006.01.09 08:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia ... Wouldn't it make sense to be more or less effective with some ships than others, regardless of the level of the related skill? I disagree, for the timple reason that I may one day want to fly a Vigil, or a Geddon, or a Blasterthon, or the hundredthousand other ships avaliable to me, and that would be useless under your proposals. -- bumcheekcity
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.01.09 08:32:00 - [14] Peope seem to be over-thinking on this. I'm not saying you couldn't use X or Y as race Z, I'm wondering if we'd get some minor bonus, like has already been suggested in this very thread, for example: Gallente: bonus to drone skills of some sort, perhaps a 5% increase in control range, speed, or whatever. Minmatar: Bonus to speed or agility (in any ship). Amarr: Bonus to cap recharge, or cap useage reduction with energy weapons(we'll go with the 5%). Caldari: Bonus to missiles of some sort. If it'd be to damage it'd be to ALL TYPES (enough of the kinetic bull**), or even just a small boost to missile velocity or flight time. Joves: Starts with all learning skills maxxed, except for Charisma, which is set to 1 because they're so damn ugly. Auto-deletion after 1 RL year. Still not usable by normal players. See? These wouldn't be game-breaking, but they would give some sort of small difference between races other than starting attributes. The type of enviroment you grow up in can and does affect how you develop. The Caldari, being so damn missile-happy, would be teaching things that the 'standard' learning manual may not cover, hence the small missile bonus. The Minmatar are good are running, due to ships that have been stream-lined with high-grade Duct tape, and given their ship layouts they'd be taught extra pointers on how to fly them. Gallente would learn extra 'tricks' or 'secrets' on how to control drones (this excludes fighters, because they aren't drones. I honestly can't think of an excuse for the Amarr bonus other than them being obsessed with God and teaching people that lasers are his hands smiting enemies, causing people to tweak them in special ways? The bottom line is that you'd still work just as well as you do now, but you'd have a small edge in one field that your enemy of another race would have in another. Also, the bonus could/would change depending on the type of character you create at startup. An industrial Caldari wouldn't get the missile bonus, a combat trained one would, the indy person would get some sort of manufacuring bonus, or ME bonus maybe. Originally by:** Oveur I am not interested in "the lottery sucks" or "more tech 2 blueprints" since that is pretty much stating the obvious.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.01.09 08:51:00 - [15] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Caldari: Bonus to missiles of some sort. If it'd be to damage it'd be to ALL TYPES (enough of the kinetic bull**), or even just a small boost to missile velocity or flight time. NO! NO NO NO!!! ENOUGH THE WITH MISSILES ALREADY!!!** Caldari should get a RANGE bonus, not a missile bonus. For turrets, this should be optimal range. If you're going to apply it to missiles, then it should probably be flight time, but maybe velocity. -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Sheriff Jones	Posted - 2006.01.09 08:53:00 - [16] I agree that some race spesific(read "only") ships and equipment would be really nice, but here comes the kicker in the teeth....balance. As such, anyone and everyone can be balanced in the world of EVE by training. If there were ships for others, others would cry nerf, others would cry "wtf nerf why?!" and so forth. It's a balance nightmare. Now, cosmetical changes to ships, race only, would be nice(icing on the cake), which would bring more to the RP(a bit) and wouldn't mess with the balance issue. Such as, tribal paintings for minmatar, religious markings, heck, even a cross on top of a ship for Amarr, satellite dishes on top of caldari ships and so forth. Something you could buy to make your "race proud".
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.01.09 08:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Sheriff Jones satellite dishes on top of caldari ships That makes zero sense. -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Sheriff Jones	Posted - 2006.01.09 08:57:00 - [18] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: Sheriff Jones satellite dishes on top of caldari ships That makes zero sense. It's just a suggestion, hell if i know what you caldari like
Time Killer	Posted - 2006.01.09 10:15:00 - [19] No way. I love the fact that there are no race or class based restrictions. None of this 'it is physically impossible for you to learn to fly a Caldari ship as well as a Caldari even if you wer born and raised flying Caldari ships' nonsensical limitation. It's not like the 4 races are different species - they're not they're all humans. If they were totaly differently evolved races then I can see why it might be physically impossible without major heavy modification to a ship to fly it as well as its progenitor race can because of differences in sensory input, pilot biology etc. But in the EVE world they're not weird alien species. They're humans - so genetically close that they can even interbreed. It's like trying to say that someone of Japanese genetics will never understand UK culture enough to drive a right-hand drive car well, even if they're born and raised in the UK. Your race gives you your attributes - the balance of which can never be fundamentally changed, only increased at different levels with selective use of skills and implants - and your starting direction. I like that. There's flavour without highly artificial rubbish restrictions like the D&D 3rd Ed thing that non-theives can neevr ever ever learn lip reading or somesuch tosh.
Equinox II	Posted - 2006.01.09 11:16:00 - [20] Doubt it, CCP usually don't like to close doors for people. CCP Hammer > Next patch we will make sure to boost Amarr and Nerf Caldari.
Azuriel Talloth	Posted - 2006.01.09 11:18:00 - [21] Bad idea, why then would any character train for a ship/skill that isn't their race's primary type?
0V3RL0RD	Posted - 2006.01.09 11:21:00 - [22] All this talk of racial bonii, I have to pipe in and mention my ideas: You should be able to pick one of two on character creation. Amarr: 5% powergrid reduction on turrets (or -5% energy turret cap use) Gallente: 5% CPU reduction on turrets (or 5% hybrid turret tracking) Caldari: 5% CPU reduction on launchers (or 5% all launcher types' ROF) Minmatar: 0 cap usage on all projectile turrets (or 5% velocity and 5% agility) Tauren: War Stomp (2 second stun to all targets within 10 yards, 1 minute cooldown) Note that the Minmatar bonii seem better, as they don't actually affect the amount of damage you deal out. Gallente bonii are aimed at blaster users, but they'd work for rails too. Anyway, it's all pipe dreams, they won't implement something like this once the game's been going for nearly 3 years.
Logic Girl	Posted - 2006.01.09 11:22:00 - [23] Originally by: Time Killer It's like trying to say that someone of Japanese genetics will never understand UK culture enough to drive a right-hand drive car well, even if they're born and raised in the UK. Ummmmm, Japan = right hand drive, on the left side of the road. Just like the UK
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.01.09 11:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: Sheriff Jones satellite dishes on top of caldari ships That makes zero sense. It's just a suggestion, hell if i know what you caldari like Hammerhead knows: Originally by: Hammerhead boobies We're going to adopt him as an honorary Civire. Anyway, I think we need to distinguish between: (A) This idea of restrictions or bonuses/penalties based on your race vs your ship's race and (B) Malthros's idea of each race getting a small bonus, regardless of what ship they fly. I think idea A is bad and idea B is good. Just so long as our Caldari bonus is range and not missiles. -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.01.09 11:27:00 - [25] no, anyone should be able to fly anything. i'm a caldari focussed caldari, but i still don't want it
Bowwow Meow	Posted - 2006.01.09 11:30:00 - [26] I could compare races to branches of the Military. The Army have Tanks, and the Air Force have Jets. If you are in the Army, you know how to use tanks and will most likely specialise in using tanks. With traning, you could fly a Jet just as well as someone in the Air Force. Races in eve determin your base skills, and at the beginning of the game people follow those skills to get the most out of their character. Almost every player is specialised to their races ships and equipment. Those people who take the time to learn a differant races ships and weapon systems should be able to pilot them as well as anyone else.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.01.09 11:30:00 - [27] Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 09/01/2006 11:33:52 I'm just going to start another topic to SEPERATELY discuss Malthros Zenobia's idea, because everyone in here is ignoring it, as they're too busy bashing the restrictions idea. The new thread is here. -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Fester Addams	Posted - 2006.01.09 13:53:00 - [28] I find the idea that your race should give you a benefit to flying rather odd. While it is true that Amarr ships tend to be very good at tanking in what way would this cause an Amarr pilot naturally better at tanking than a Minmatar pilot with the same skills? After all the term race when it comes to the 4 factions in the game is in realty very flawed, the only faction that could be considered being another race is the jove as they have altered themselves so much that they can be said to have moved past human.
Atraxy	Posted - 2006.01.09 14:10:00 - [29] I think the best way to do this is to include a racial bonus for example minnys get a +5% to projectiles etc.. they arnt forced to use this bonus but for the best effect using it with the races ship would be called for.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.01.09 14:11:00 - [30] Originally by: Fester Addams After all the term race when it comes to the 4 factions in the game is in realty very flawed, the only faction that could be considered being another race is the jove as they have altered themselves so much that they can be said to have moved past human. Race is not the same thing as species. Race is most closely related to ethnicity. -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Ralinn	Posted - 2006.01.09 14:17:00 - [31] Edited by: Ralinn on 09/01/2006 14:18:13 And besides, all ships = pod controlled.. Which comes from the jovian. Oops, you can no longer fly any ships as pods are restriced to jovian. It's a bad idea, simple as that.
Oib Wane	Posted - 2006.01.09 14:19:00 - [32] That is a very odd thought Malthros... one likely derived from another popular MMO... In this game it seems that no one is forced into doing anything... or realy even encoraged one way or another... much like in real life anyone can acheve anything they want it is just a matter of how much work they are willing to do. Think of it this way... I am American and I drive a Japanese car that doesn't make me worse at driving my Toyota then say a Ford or Chevy actualy because I have chosen to learn to drive my car I am better at driving that import than I would be in an American car. So you see being born here grants me no atvantage... it is all about what I am used to. (I realise that cars are not all that diffrent but neather are space ships really... engines pointing one way... guns pointing the other) EVE gives us freedom to make our charecters however we like... it is just a matter of working at it... I think in affecting your starting stats race affects plenty and the only other thing I could see it afecting is NPC relations in a very very small way. Embrace the freedom man!
El Yatta	Posted - 2006.01.09 14:59:00 - [33] Originally by: 0V3RL0RD All this talk of racial bonii, I have to pipe in and mention my ideas: You should be able to pick one of two on character creation. Amarr: 5% powergrid reduction on turrets (or -5% energy turret cap use) Gallente: 5% CPU reduction on turrets (or 5% hybrid turret tracking) Caldari: 5% CPU reduction on launchers (or 5% all launcher types' ROF) Minmatar: 0 cap usage on all projectile turrets (or 5% velocity and 5% agility) Tauren: War Stomp (2 second stun to all targets within 10 yards, 1 minute cooldown) Note that the Minmatar bonii seem better, as they don't actually affect the amount of damage you deal out. Gallente bonii are aimed at blaster users, but they'd work for rails too. Anyway, it's all pipe dreams, they won't implement something like this once the game's been going for nearly 3 years. They're the most ridiculously unbalanced ideas ever. Why would anyone pick anything other than Turret PG, Launcher ROF or velocity. The only true choice is the Gallente one, and both of those would be supremely overpowering. The fitting ones anyway are ridiculous, as you'd have "Amarr only" fits for Apocs squeesing on that last Tach, and "other people", who might have better skills overall, still can't fit it. Its ridiculous. NO to any and all Race specifics. ---:::---
Tharrn	Posted - 2006.01.09 15:18:00 - [34] Well, personally I would have loved to see a bonus for using your own faction's ships (an Amarrian using Amarrian ships getting some bonus and so on). As it is the races are actually pointless. Sometimes I wonder what CCP has created the vivid background for :P Factional fleets look so much sweeter than the rabble mercenary gangs 99% of EVEs corps are :P It's too late now though - something like that would have had to be introduced from start. ------------------------------------------------------
Ralinn	Posted - 2006.01.09 15:47:00 - [35] Edited by: Ralinn on 09/01/2006 15:48:26 Originally by: Tharrn As it is the races are actually pointless. Sometimes I wonder what CCP has created the vivid background for :P Realism? Not everything in a game needs to have a functional purpose.. That'd make for some very boring games.
Haniblecter Teg	Posted - 2006.01.09 15:50:00 - [36] Im a gallente with 14 base charisma. What is being done about my plight? ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.01.09 15:52:00 - [37] Sorry, we TOLD you the Gallente were descended from the French. What more could we have done to try to get you not to pick them? -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Noriath	Posted - 2006.01.09 16:08:00 - [38] Edited by: Noriath on 09/01/2006 16:09:52 What are you talking about? If the french had charisma we'd be in BIG trouble! I don't think there should be bonuses, because that would make picking race purely because of the stats and bonuses instead of the background even more important.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.01.09 16:10:00 - [39] Originally by: Noriath What are you talking about? If the french had charisma we'd be in BIG trouble! What I meant was that "Descendants of the French" translates to "Don't pick this race", nothing more. -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Noriath	Posted - 2006.01.09 16:11:00 - [40] Well Intaki are not french, in fact, I don't think there is anything specifying what they are...
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.01.09 16:15:00 - [41] Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 09/01/2006 16:15:55 Originally by: Noriath Well Intaki are not french, in fact, I don't think there is anything specifying what they are... Haniblecter Teg is. Intakis are...well...I don't know, they look like the descendants of the Hippy Colony to me. -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Amaii Templ	Posted - 2006.01.09 19:24:00 - [42] I'd like to see some kind of differences between the races. It'd have to be carefully chosen, of course, so that it's not devestatingly overpowered... But I think there should be some differences. I'm kind of tired of seeing three Minmatar flying Apocs, and a Gallante duo flying Ravens. But, that's not what I'm thinking. I'm thinking something like, I dunno... Something non-trvial, that plays to each race's specific 'theme.' Like, giving all Caldari one more Launcher hardpoint. Not an extra Hipower slot, just an extra Launcher. Give Amarr an extra Turret slot. Give Gallente +10 m^3 Drone Bay space and +1 Drone in Space. Give Minmatar... I dunno, what is their 'thing', anyway? You get the idea. Something non-trivial, to customize your ship so that it's different in a good way from the same ship flown by a different race's peeps.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.01.09 22:00:00 - [43] Originally by: Time Killer No way. I love the fact that there are no race or class based restrictions. None of this 'it is physically impossible for you to learn to fly a Caldari ship as well as a Caldari even if you wer born and raised flying Caldari ships' nonsensical limitation. It's not like the 4 races are different species - they're not they're all humans. If they were totaly differently evolved races then I can see why it might be physically impossible without major heavy modification to a ship to fly it as well as its progenitor race can because of differences in sensory input, pilot biology etc. But in the EVE world they're not weird alien species. They're humans - so genetically close that they can even interbreed. It's like trying to say that someone of Japanese genetics will never understand UK culture enough to drive a right-hand drive car well, even if they're born and raised in the UK. Your race gives you your attributes - the balance of which can never be fundamentally changed, only increased at different levels with selective use of skills and implants - and your starting direction. I like that. There's flavour without highly artificial rubbish restrictions like the D&D 3rd Ed thing that non-theives can neevr ever ever learn lip reading or somesuch tosh. I strongly suggest you break out some history books and see what humans looked like 10-20000 years ago. You could most defintely evolve in different ways over the span of several thousand years. It wouldn't be anything major, but it'd be noticable. Hell look at the 'hobbit' findings of the south pacific. Originally by: Oveur I am not interested in "the lottery sucks" or "more tech 2 blueprints" since that is pretty much stating the obvious.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.01.09 22:02:00 - [44] Originally by: HippoKing no, anyone should be able to fly anything. i'm a caldari focussed caldari, but i still don't want it Do you people even read the post or just sum up what you think I'm saying? Originally by: Oveur I am not interested in "the lottery sucks" or "more tech 2 blueprints" since that is pretty much stating the obvious.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.01.09 22:23:00 - [45] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: HippoKing no, anyone should be able to fly anything. i'm a caldari focussed caldari, but i still don't want it Do you people even read the post or just sum up what you think I'm saying? sorry. anyone should be able to fly anything to the same efficiency.
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2006.01.10 00:59:00 - [46] PErsonally it is another shining example of genius of eve design. Open world, open character development.... your avatar is simply a visual representation of what you create through time. Think about it your asking for the lame gimptard design of okay so xxx race is the best for flying xxx so everyone will be that race ( yawn) who wants to be xxx, IE dwarf make the best paladin! In eve it is wide open every race can be the best xxxx, far mroe diversity and less retarded lame min maxing nonesense. So tired of gimptards who need to make up for being arsehats in real life by trying to make the dwarf warrior with the mostest hitpoints ever!!! or ya but my wizard has 23543465346 mana!!! and 34643563 intellegence, and you will never get that high because you picked hte wrong race hahaaahhaahahahahahahaha!
Laythun	Posted - 2006.01.10 01:03:00 - [47] Originally by: Ralinn Edited by: Ralinn on 09/01/2006 02:33:19 My being foreign doesn't prevent me from being better at english than some americans I know. your funny, americans cant/dont speak english... See Me! http://195.225.8.195:7090/listen.[/url]
Gonada	Posted - 2006.01.10 01:07:00 - [48] one word: KALI main race wars,cant wait. -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
Shira'v'Dhraal	Posted - 2006.01.10 08:31:00 - [49] Edited by: Shira''v''Dhraal on 10/01/2006 08:34:56 Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: Noriath What are you talking about? If the french had charisma we'd be in BIG trouble! What I meant was that "Descendants of the French" translates to "Don't pick this race", nothing more. Yet another contestant for the Retarded Xenophobic Moron of the Year prize.

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