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Serendipity Max
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Posted - 2006.01.09 04:29:00 -
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CA, at its prime, held 7 regions.
Since CA's death, it seems like those regions are haunted by its ghost. If an alliance takes too many, then it loses them all in the same way CA did... Internal Issues.
First .5. made a play, and then subsequently split in two and lost them all, because of.... Internal Issues! This left RA in control who are now seriously struggling from... you guessed it! Internal Issues.
Next it could be -V-...
My Advice; steer well clear, those regions be DAMNED.
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Faust Revis
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Posted - 2006.01.09 04:35:00 -
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its too much to control, which can lead to internal struggling over it.
old CA rule had 2 entrances from empire, now it has atleast 6. too many players fighting for it, to much to control for one entity.
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2006.01.09 05:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Serendipity Max
My Advice; steer well clear, those regions be DAMNED.
Maybe, just maybe, that's why it is called "Curse"? 
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Faith Black
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Posted - 2006.01.09 05:19:00 -
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Afaik RA is under pressure due to some of their politics that didn't work as intended e.g. stuff like telling [5] that they get a nap if they attack -V-, tell -V- that they could nap, if they attack [5] and things like that.
So now -V-, Lotka Volterra and Chimaera Pact are having one common denominator, namely that they don't like RA and want some of their systems/constellations/regions.
Well, maybe RA has internal trouble, too. Don't know anything about it, but if things don't develop that well, trouble is often not far away.
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munchy
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Posted - 2006.01.09 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: Serendipity Max
This left RA in control who are now seriously struggling from... you guessed it! Internal Issues.
we are?? 
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2006.01.09 05:48:00 -
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Edited by: Lucian Alucard on 09/01/2006 05:50:33
Curse and Venal are the "Cursed" reigons of Eve,EVERY alliance that sought to claim them has failed in one way or another,Stain has gone through several purges and up heavals but MASS and crew have always held some form of presence there,PA tho still exists does so more out of the necestiy of their allies much as NORAD once did.
Xirtam held firm to Curse and old CA space for over a year rebuilding was a good idea may haps his mistake was to leave home.It most definetly could have been defended without "Foyleists" but would have necesitated a dramatic reevaluation of Alliance,Corp and political policy.
The only strategy for alliance longevity is to grab like minded corps,ally with like minded alliances and kill all who do not think as such and to remain mobile to stave off ceaseless boredom of camping them same system in the same reigon for months on end. Pvpers like to always stay on the hunt so corp and alliance subdivision is key,you NEED carebears now no matter how good of a pvp force you can muster if you can't get ammo,ships and now fuel for your seige engines your dead in the water after your initial thrust in your military campigne.RA has stayed relatively low key so their corps probably are bored of mining ice,recouping loses to BE and other local pirates and the 5 whenever they so chose to exter force iin Curse.
The most dangerous thing to an alliance is the combination of passifist politicians and blood thirsty fighters eventually you will have a coup de'tas
The people who think RMR is cool are coincidently the same people who paid to see Gili.
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Eliadur
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Posted - 2006.01.09 05:56:00 -
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That has alot to do with why ASCN only wants its two regions. There more then enough unto themselfs.
And it also has everything to do with ASCN's policies. The greatest concern they have is pure stability.
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Omeega
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Posted - 2006.01.09 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Serendipity Max
This left RA in control who are now seriously struggling from... you guessed it! Internal Issues.
they are?
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Xaarist
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Posted - 2006.01.09 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Serendipity Max
This left RA in control who are now seriously struggling from... you guessed it! Internal Issues.
i think this time they suffer from external issues. RA is not beaten in any way. i doubt they are struggling with themselves more than normal. my guess is they try to adapt to new tactics as those tactics they used for getting all these regions won't work anymore.
it may look like RA is loosing their foothold in some regions under the pressure of three alliances, but i am sure everybody involved is preparing for a long time of ongoing fights. every alliance would get into trouble if being attacked on three borders at the same time. it just makes us all curious if cache people will stop mining some day when ordered to form a fleet - because it will be needed now. this may in some way or another lead to your beloved "internal issues" because it keeps people off from making money.
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Kay Han
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Posted - 2006.01.09 10:04:00 -
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it¦s cursed 
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2006.01.09 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Abdalion
Maybe, just maybe, that's why it is called "Curse"?
POST WITH YOUR MAIN!!!    
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.01.09 13:45:00 -
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Nah, Venal is cursed. Curse is just overrated... ;s
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.01.09 13:50:00 -
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First off i really dont know why you felt the need to post that with an alt :S
But anyway: afaik [5] split up after they left due to internal thyingies but actually left the regions because they hated the POS warfare. Also, afaik RA arent having any serious internal issues but i could be wrong.
Ca split mainly due to the people in it conflicting, and im guessing the same alliance with only one region would have slit exactly the same way.
That said, the old CA territories always seem to be a mess of warring factions
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2006.01.09 15:07:00 -
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Curse will always be a home to me
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Pride NL
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Posted - 2006.01.09 16:50:00 -
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Curse is a monument. It cant be taken nor claimed. Everyone claiming it or trying to take it will be Cursed. Obviously. The CA spirit is around, though noone has seen it for a while
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Archonon
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Posted - 2006.01.09 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Serendipity Max
This left RA in control who are now seriously struggling from... you guessed it! Internal Issues.
Next it could be -V-...
Stop talking RA was before .5. and -V- and will be after. u know nothing
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.01.09 16:54:00 -
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I cannot see a day when some form of RA will not control Cache.
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Iznogud
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Posted - 2006.01.09 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
Curse will always be a home to me
when i return to game i know i will feel the same
http://www.shinra.com/
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Shalia Nyian
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Posted - 2006.01.09 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: Shalia Nyian on 09/01/2006 17:02:14
Originally by: j0sephine
Nah, Venal is cursed. Curse is just overrated... ;s
Venal is cursed, I don't think that region has ever seen a day when someones not up there trying to kill the inhabitants. How PA have survived this long is anyones guess...
Originally by: Serendipity Max
CA, at its prime, held 7 regions.
Since CA's death, it seems like those regions are haunted by its ghost. If an alliance takes too many, then it loses them all in the same way CA did... Internal Issues.
CA could hold 7 regions because they had massive numbers and skilled pvpers to do so. More importantly they had excellent leaders and perhaps some of the very best fleet commanders you could find in EVE at the time: Xirtam, Duke Drokler, Obi wan, Chowdown etc. Not forgetting that alot of the alliance administration and manufacturing for the alliance in HLW (their capital) was taken care of by Foyle, which in turn allowed CA freedom to run around and have crazy fights with Xetic and SA.
There will never be another CA and can never be, for CA to be as it was you will need to somehow get all the key corps that made it what it was back in one alliance under the same leadership with the same people - which is impossible a year later.
RA is its own alliance now, shinra, mcorp, bos, supremacy all fight under different alliances. A lot of other key corporations that went and formed keiretsu after CA split are spread all over ever doing other things. Finally not forgetting the hundreds of indiviudal pilots that are scattered around eve living completely different lives in different corps are the people that helped make CA the Roman Empire of its day.
Yes the good old days were awesome but you cant bring them back, if you lived through it, savor the memories, if you missed it then dont worry about it.
It's just like the great northern war, if you were there you will remember it forever. But you cant emulate it as times have changed. There are no magic hats, no ragnars, no jade constantines, no alexandra belani's, no haseth durn's anymore. There is no coalition of deklein, no venal Alliance, no New Venal Alliance, no fade union, no northern star allaince, no fountain alliance and no space invaders anymore.
Let history remain history and rather concentrate on making new history.
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Kane Jacobs
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Posted - 2006.01.09 16:59:00 -
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When it comes to holding regions or space its compleatly different now, you cant compare it to the time CA was at its prime. (reminder, Im on the outside looking in)
I think it wasn't until conq stations came into play that all alliances (at war) started to struggle.
Nowadays ppl point at the map saying thats our name there, we own that! without having a single pilot close by just a million pos's. Hmmm pos's.... They're a industrial tool nothing more, shouldn't be anything else.
my pov.
//Kane
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Serendipity Max
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Posted - 2006.01.09 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
I cannot see a day when some form of RA will not control Cache.
Thats funny because I seem to remember .5. controlling it for around a month during their war with RA.
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AmarrAdmiral
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Posted - 2006.01.09 18:30:00 -
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Only fools care about regional controll.
True pvp'rs couldnt care less.
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Caybn E'vangel
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Posted - 2006.01.09 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: AmarrAdmiral
Only fools care about regional controll.
True pvp'rs couldnt care less.
So your saying EvE is not a game of territorial conquest? At all?
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Masu'di
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Posted - 2006.01.09 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Shalia Nyian
CA the Roman Empire of its day.
I don't recall seeing straight roads, central heating, baths, or toga parties, in the time i spent visiting Curse under CA.
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HatePeace LoveWar
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Posted - 2006.01.09 20:37:00 -
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Rome wasnt that organised tbh.
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BlackDog Rackh'am
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Posted - 2006.01.09 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Caybn E'vangel
Originally by: AmarrAdmiral
Only fools care about regional controll.
True pvp'rs couldnt care less.
So your saying EvE is not a game of territorial conquest? At all?
Let me go a little off topic here. I think ppl are too obsessed with what kind of game EvE is. Imho the one single thing that makes EvE so much fun (and the forums so filled with flames when trying to crown a victor) is that it's a game of what YOU like it to be,with a whole lot of different victory conditions for each player. Of course there are not unlimited choices,but there are certainly a lot.
The guy who got me into the game was in a big manufacturing/trade organisation at the time,while residing in an NPC corp. He had ABSOLUTELY no experience in PvP,but some of the stories i've heard from him regarding economic wars and market manipulation left me standing in awe. He then proceeded to legitimately buy a PvP character via these forums,join the corp i was in at the time as i was making myself comfy in my new tempest,which i was flying uninsured down in XF space. At that time you couldn't easily find insurance in 0.0,but i managed to insure it,in an NPC station i think around DSS,shortly before the XFvs[5] war started.
He got into PvP because he was bored collecting money as a habit,he got his one and only killmail when we were hunting some RA guys in immensea,and has proceeded to become one of the best cov ops pilots i know,the kind that busts safespots without using probes.
For a game so diverse, as illustrated by the above little story, i think there can't be any fixed objectives,desirable goals and winning conditions. And that is what makes it so much fun
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AmarrAdmiral
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Posted - 2006.01.09 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: AmarrAdmiral on 09/01/2006 21:44:19
Edited by: AmarrAdmiral on 09/01/2006 21:43:33
Originally by: Caybn E'vangel
Originally by: AmarrAdmiral
Only fools care about regional controll.
True pvp'rs couldnt care less.
So your saying EvE is not a game of territorial conquest? At all?
EVE is PVP. Not Axis and Allies.
who care about region controll and why?
Answer : Carebears because of refinerys etc.
Its like it allways is, the rich and fat gets richer and fatter.
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Godar Marak
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Posted - 2006.01.09 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar
Rome wasnt that organised tbh.
You need to open a history book tbh.
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2006.01.09 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 09/01/2006 21:52:20
Originally by: Masu'di
Originally by: Shalia Nyian
CA the Roman Empire of its day.
I don't recall seeing straight roads, central heating, baths, or toga parties, in the time i spent visiting Curse under CA.
The way CA handled itself and controlled the region, couldn't have been any further from the Romans.
Of course we used togas, and had steamed baths, your sir just werent invited to the parties
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DjDangle
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Posted - 2006.01.09 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Faith Black
Afaik RA is under pressure due to some of their politics that didn't work as intended e.g. stuff like telling [5] that they get a nap if they attack -V-, tell -V- that they could nap, if they attack [5] and things like that.
So now -V-, Lotka Volterra and Chimaera Pact are having one common denominator, namely that they don't like RA and want some of their systems/constellations/regions.
Well, maybe RA has internal trouble, too. Don't know anything about it, but if things don't develop that well, trouble is often not far away.
It's not about wanting RA's space, it's about them not staying out of ours. And besides, they've let their arrogance take over, it's about time they were brought back down to size.
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Pastora
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Posted - 2006.01.09 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Faith Black
So now -V-, Lotka Volterra and Chimaera Pact are having one common denominator, namely that they don't like RA and want some of their systems/constellations/regions.
Yes, and they are really desperate at that, as to go even as low as placing alts/spies in our corps to try to get into gangs, etc. ...and for one thing not being able to do anything on their own.
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DjDangle
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Posted - 2006.01.09 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Pastora
Originally by: Faith Black
So now -V-, Lotka Volterra and Chimaera Pact are having one common denominator, namely that they don't like RA and want some of their systems/constellations/regions.
Yes, and they are really desperate at that, as to go even as low as placing alts/spies in our corps to try to get into gangs, etc. ...and for one thing not being able to do anything on their own.
Whatever it takes to deny the simple truth
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.01.09 22:46:00 -
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I very much doubt RA will fall, they managed to withstand, "the funny station killer alliance" the big bad .5. and only seem to be getting stronger so sush plz
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.01.09 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: AmarrAdmiral
EVE is PVP. Not Axis and Allies.
who care about region controll and why?
Answer : Carebears because of refinerys etc.
Its like it allways is, the rich and fat gets richer and fatter.
Ah the sheer genius of a one day old alt, tell me oh great alt, oh ye of immeasurable experience, what know ye oh great one of Eve?
Never mind, no need to answer, I'll tell you.
No army marches on an empty stomach and in Eve no fleet sails without ships. It takes money and resources to build those fleets, way more of both than are available in empire.
If you're going to post with an alt then at least be funny or so close to the truth that your audience nod sagely and agree. Don't just spout rubbish and look like an ass.
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Pastora
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Posted - 2006.01.09 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: DjDangle
Whatever it takes to deny the simple truth
Believe it or not, but what I said is truth. Ask your Shinra "friends"...
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DjDangle
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Posted - 2006.01.09 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Pastora
Originally by: DjDangle
Whatever it takes to deny the simple truth
Believe it or not, but what I said is truth. Ask your Shinra "friends"...
diddums
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AmarrAdmiral
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Posted - 2006.01.10 01:21:00 -
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Ra will own Lotka Volterra.
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