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mynnna wrote:Ali Aras wrote:Grimmi, thanks for posting. Just to clarify, because I think this was the crux of a lot of the remaining confusion yesterday:
If I, Ali Aras, member of Valkyries of Night and Of Sound Mind, represent myself as a CFC rental agent (a title I do not hold in a coalition I am not a member of), is this a violation of the TOS as changed and impersonation policies as historically implemented? Confirming that this was in fact at the center of yesterday's confusion/ire. Players feel this sort of thing was allowed in the past, and that if you can convince someone you're a member of a group you clearly are not (such as in Ali's example), you and they both deserve everything coming to you. They're concerned that what is now coming to them is a ban, that you're forbidding sandboxy play in the form of lying, smooth talking and cleverness (as opposed to outright impersonation like naming yourself "CHRlBBA") and you've done little to address that concern.
I am glad you think so - unfortunately that is not how the GM's have been handling live cases. Based on what has happened to actual players recently, implying/smoothtalking/inferring, but not directly stating or name = Perma Ban. No exceptions. Whoever has the final decision on EULA/TOS policy in this regards is a complete joke. It's more like a kid making up rules to his own game with no basis or reason behind it. Make up your minds and try to enforce it as black and white as possible. Leaving this grey pretty much ruins what EVE has been up until now.
Aryth wrote:Let me make this example as clear as I can.
Illegal Before:
Saying you are the mittani or making a char name or other such methods to impersonate him.
Illegal Now:
Saying you are the mittani OR saying you are a goon director.
The latter was not illegal before, yet now is, and they claim nothing has changed when the wording clearly has to encompass that.
Also illegal now is inferring that the mittani, or goon directors are aware of your actions or has/have sanctioned your actions. Inference is literally the same thing now. CCP has already acted on this.
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:What I got from this is;
- CCP altered the ToS to make it even more ambiguous.
- We, the players, made our concerns about the alterations abundantly clear.
- CCP said they'd look at our concerns.
- CCP decided to ignore our concerns and fob us off.
Do I have that about right? Smacks of the initial CCP response to our concerns about Incarna tbh, ignore it and hope it'll go away. That worked out well for them last time.
And that is exactly how they handled one of the prime cases that led this this new EULA change.
"We swear we read what you sent to us, but we don't really care because your actions have emotionally hurt one of our web developers, please leave our wiki alone, enjoy never playing eve again even though you have not broken any listed rules."
As usual - GM's making up rules ex post facto.
Face it capsuleer's. CCP can ban you whenver they want for whatever they want, and there isn't jack you can do about. |