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Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 328	Posted - 2013.09.10 19:09:00 - [1] - Quote If I say I'm part of the Mordus Angels, and if you fly through my space I will kill you, could a newbie petition his ship loss for thinking he was fighting NPCs? It's poor wording in your Terms of Service. Please just try again.
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 328	Posted - 2013.09.10 19:16:00 - [2] - Quote Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote: GM Grimmi wrote: As cases are investigated GMs look at the information that is available, one of the important considerations being the intent behind a playerGÇÖs actions. Benevolent roleplaying of NPC entities may not be considered to warrant action in regards to impersonation while malicious activity employing such trickery will not be tolerated. Well THAT certainly clears things up. What, intent is easily distinguishable by everyone in eve. Everyone's intent is 'I want your stuff'. Hence, it is always applicable. I mean, people petition for people just talking funny all the time, right?
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 328	Posted - 2013.09.10 19:31:00 - [3] - Quote Scatim Helicon wrote: If I apply to an NC. corp claiming to be Vince Draken's cyno alt, am accepted, then go on a wild Awoxing spree, then again by the newly presented wording I've breached the TOS. Is this your intention? That actually is illegal under the current TOS, and has had stuff reversed.
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 329	Posted - 2013.09.10 20:18:00 - [4] - Quote Georgina Parmala wrote: Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't every goon have the possibility to sponsor people into the corp? Thereby making every goon a recruitment officer by extension? They're just a recruitment officer lying to someone? No impersonation involved? They've already stated that it's okay to scam representing your own corp. It's representing other "groups" that is the problem. Case in point: Goonwaffe recently started a renter empire that lives out in null sec. Due to our tumultuous history with scamming (oops), this was met with a bit of skepticism. Now, can a Goonwaffe main sell renter space in this other alliance? How can we prove he is 'authorized' to represent the group? He's in the alliance information as a valid sales people. I would say more what happened next, but that's moderation discussion, which is verbotten, but you can guess. So what is the proper way to 'prove' that you are a valid representative of the 'group'? There is no 'CFC' alliance, but there are lot of people who can claim to represent us.
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 331	Posted - 2013.09.10 21:58:00 - [5] - Quote Carmaine wrote: Hello everyone, my name is Carmaine of The Awesome Corp and I would like to announce to everyone in this thread that I have started the EVE PlayerGäó group as well as the carebearGäó, pirateGäó and pvperGäó groups! Please stop impersonating that you are awesome. You cause no awe.
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 331	Posted - 2013.09.10 23:04:00 - [6] - Quote Bagehi wrote: Not to be a complete wang, but wouldn't the new terms of service mean the NCdot is in the running for GM loving? I mean, they made the alliance name explicitly the same as the Northern Coalition many moons ago. While we're on this track, wouldn't Mittens and the current Goonswarm alliance be in the same boat, since they named a new alliance (many moons ago) a near identical name to their former alliance after the whole Delve paying the rent thing? The list could go on for pages really. Misrepresenting yourself in Eve is a huge part of what makes Eve... Eve. Uh oh. We're in trouble.
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 336	Posted - 2013.09.11 14:58:00 - [7] - Quote Aryth wrote: Yeah, I tend to agree. Can we get someone more senior in CCP to chime in here? This has descended into bizzaro land at this point. It's like CCP is in a hole, trying to get out. And a bunch of players are staring down at them, yelling 'Just put up a ladder!' So of course, they keep digging.
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 336	Posted - 2013.09.11 15:03:00 - [8] - Quote Weaselior wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: From CCP's point, it's probably "If you can't provide a proof that you are the alt of X, how do you expect other people to find if you really are his alt? by evemailing his main, just like any sane person would think was the proper way to verify Actually, if you're on your main, and say that your alt is 'x'... Isn't that impersonating your alt?
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 338	Posted - 2013.09.11 15:15:00 - [9] - Quote Madeleine Lowery wrote: Or if there has to be an attempt to deceive, did you just ban the standard practice of having a character apply to corps that you're wardeccing? Are safari characters gone now? Spies? If I claim to be part of the group goonswarm but I'm actually part of ncdot, that's impersonating a group. oh **** son, spies are now petition-able. Wait till digi hears!
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 340	Posted - 2013.09.11 16:20:00 - [10] - Quote There is any easy solution to this, I guess. If you think someone is impersonating another group, petition it. If they're petitioning an NPC, petition it. If they're impersonating a possible alt, petition it. We can just put it on the GMs to decide what is legit or not rather than relying on the players. Oh, and before you accept a business deal, make sure to petition them so that you're sure it's a legit deal.
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 343	Posted - 2013.09.11 17:34:00 - [11] - Quote Ifly Uwalk wrote: Y'all can blame this sh*tstorm on me. About a month ago I decced a corp and sent their CEO the following: [clip] I thought I was engaging in some mild RP, I swear! Two days ago, exactly (to the minute!) 4 hours before the new ToS was announced I got an "Official Contact from CCP Customer Support" asking me politely not to claim to represent CONCORD. A second communication then told me not to claim to represent the SRB or CEP either as that could be against the EULA/TOS. Sorry guys! Won't happen again, honest. o7 P.S.: Didn't get banned, or even warned. Just "politely asked" to not do it again. P.P.S.: The "RP" bit got deleted from "MMORPG," RIP. This is a really good scam. And nobody should fall for it. He's not saying he's CONCORD or anything.
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 351	Posted - 2013.09.11 18:27:00 - [12] - Quote How loudly do we have to yell that this TOS wording sucks and it needs to be changed?
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 362	Posted - 2013.09.12 15:10:00 - [13] - Quote Maybe we should go back to banning discussion of the TOS for being 'discussing moderation'. That was fun. When are we getting a senior non-GM in this thread again to discuss this?
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 363	Posted - 2013.09.12 18:03:00 - [14] - Quote michael chasseur wrote: pls QQ moar gewns Let's just hope that the corporation [DRED] never decides that you're impersonating them, and petitions you.
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 372	Posted - 2013.09.13 14:57:00 - [15] - Quote The GM interpretations I have seen thus far are appalling. Please, we want this escalated to someone more senior to reconsider this. The change to not being able to impersonate groups or NPCs is a new change, and will only lead to abuse.
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 376	Posted - 2013.09.13 20:36:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Dolan wrote: Greetings guys, I am posting the following on behalf of GM Karidor so that you all have a nice shiny blue post to jump too. So, are you shutting this thread down? Everyone to Jita Park now?
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 390	Posted - 2013.09.13 21:47:00 - [17] - Quote Man, that other thread is actually going to work, I think. It seems people are civilly discussing moderation and possible alternatives rather than just presenting examples of 'This is why it's broken'. Thank you Dolan.
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 406	Posted - 2013.09.23 16:05:00 - [18] - Quote So are we getting a rewrite? Or are we just going to be getting continual unofficial clarifications that will be lost as soon as this thread closes down?

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