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Aaron Rex
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Posted - 2006.01.10 10:43:00 -
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Is it just me or is racism becoming ever more apparent in Eve, especialy here on the forums?
This is predominant in all the topics about macro-mining and the various "solutions" to the problem. Most of those solutions revolve around banning IP's from certain Asian countries, or even all of Asia; Sharding and forcibly moving all the Asian accounts over to an Asian shard and so on. At the end it all boils down to grouping an entire 1/5th or more of the human race into one class of players and saying they are not welcome in this game (or on this server).
No thought is given to the many Asians who play this game the way it is meant to be played. Or to the fact that a many of the macro-miners come from other countries (Eastern-Europe for example).
So how about we cut the imature and uncalled for racism and act like responsible adults?
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.01.10 10:47:00 -
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I don't think it's so much racism as a fear of the asian server taking resources from the server we use. Which is the complete opposite of what actually will happen. The asian server means more income which means more devs which means better EVE for everyone.
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Neesa Corrinne
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Posted - 2006.01.10 10:50:00 -
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I'm an American living and working in Korea. Ban me and I'll be ultra mega ****ed.
That is all,
Neesa
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.01.10 10:51:00 -
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Wrangly-poos, you really need to take a look at the "Asian Cluster" thread...
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Arlenik Emmanouelik
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Posted - 2006.01.10 10:52:00 -
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I consider myself a human being. Peace!
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.01.10 10:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Rodj Blake
Wrangly-poos, you really need to take a look at the "Asian Cluster" thread...
That thread is an insult to Americans - I feel for them. 
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2006.01.10 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Wrangly-poos, you really need to take a look at the "Asian Cluster" thread...
That thread is an insult to Americans - I feel for them.
Unfortunate really that it's an American who is posting most of the crap in that thread.
Funny to reply to though 
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Chippie MS
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Posted - 2006.01.10 10:55:00 -
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Yes hes American but stupidity is universal im afraid
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.01.10 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron Rex
At the end it all boils down to grouping an entire 1/5th or more of the human race into one class of players and saying they are not welcome in this game
Originally by: Aaron Rex
Or to the fact that a many of the macro-miners come from other countries (Eastern-Europe for example)
See, whether we do it intentionally or not - we all stereotype a little. You could have just left it at "Other countries" but you didn't.
Of course its easier for me say the words "Asian" and "MMO Farmer" in the same sentence, because in my own personal experience every farmer I have spoken to came from China, Taiwan, Korea, Thailand, Malaysia etc. etc.
I think this hardly amounts to racism, tbh.
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BlindHunter
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Posted - 2006.01.10 10:57:00 -
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the only thing i'm scared of is the kid-gamer-teams that gets payed to play 24/7.... a fatal blow to any game-economy..
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:01:00 -
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I find it interesting how similar this issue is to terrorist profiling in USA. The police forces there want to concentrate on screening known Muslims cause all terrorist happen to be Muslim, while a group for political correctness insists everyone should be screened equally, Muslim or not.
Who is right?
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Chippie MS
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:02:00 -
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Wont make the slightest bit of difference to TQ because the new shard is separate and no way to transfer items between the 2 so its a completly moot point.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:03:00 -
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a vast % of the known macro miners are based in china - mostly because its profitable to run this sort of business from there.
Nothing against chinesse players but the % that arent real players make a bad name for the others.
Now of course this could all be solved by CCP actually removing macro miners and farmers as they are reported and blatantly obvious but for some reason the standard we are looking into it line makes some players get frustrated and think that the macro'ers are being protected so CCP can get this chinesse server in place and to avoid upsetting those farmers etc and give them a bad name they are allowing a certain amount of ebay macroing to occour on TQ without any interference. Thats the perception due to their inactivity on the whole macroer front - most macro spawns remain in place day after day. With no follow up action on petitions - this is a poor state of affairs - its not racism but a logical piece of viewpoint from upset players
And yes when u do get the farmer bot controllers to talk to u 8 times out of 10 its do u speak chana or chinesse plz i dont have much english.
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Macro Slasher
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:04:00 -
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I sure hope not. Because we'd have to be just as rascist against American players as well as 1/3 of the ISK on sales at ebay is from the USA. (Or at least the sellers are.)
People... Jump into fast conclusions on bad data. It "kinda sucks".
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Glassback
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:08:00 -
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I think the Minmitar have sometying against teh Amarr for some reason. Oh, and don't the Galantee have issues with the Caldari?
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:09:00 -
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Sorry, but I had to delete a few posts, specific issues will not be discussed on the forums. However I do feel that the whole racist thing is important enough to be discussed openly, as long as we can keep it flame and troll free at least.
Problem is, if we have a lot of macroers from asia, at what point does pointing out a simple fact become racism? Posting racist comments on the forums is against the rules and will even bypass the usual "free" warnings and go straight to the bans, in some cases immediate permanent bans even. I think everyone should remember that a lot of macroers aren't asian and I would definately prefer if we could simply call them all macroers and disregard where they happen to live, because at the end of the day it doesnt matter.
Edit: Just as a reminder, what we call in game racism is allowed in a RP way, a caldari can dislike the gallente and a minmatar the amarr and so on, that is still allowed. Real life racism isn't. /Edit
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
...I would definately prefer if we could simply call them all macroers and disregard where they happen to live, because at the end of the day it doesnt matter.
QFT
I was just about to make that point.
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Aaron Rex
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild
Originally by: Aaron Rex
At the end it all boils down to grouping an entire 1/5th or more of the human race into one class of players and saying they are not welcome in this game
Originally by: Aaron Rex
Or to the fact that a many of the macro-miners come from other countries (Eastern-Europe for example)
See, whether we do it intentionally or not - we all stereotype a little. You could have just left it at "Other countries" but you didn't.
Of course its easier for me say the words "Asian" and "MMO Farmer" in the same sentence, because in my own personal experience every farmer I have spoken to came from China, Taiwan, Korea, Thailand, Malaysia etc. etc.
I think this hardly amounts to racism, tbh.
I'm sorry if I upset you. To be honest I could have put my home country of Iceland in place of Eastern-Europe, as I know of Icelanders who macro-mine. Since this is true, why don't you use the words "Icelandic" and "MMO Farmer" in the same sentence? My point is, I would be surprised if there weren't macro-miners from all countries that have a sizable eve comunity. Singling one of them out, and China is by far the one people single out, is silly.
In stead of saying "We have to do something about these Chinese macro-miners" why can't people simply say "We have to do something about these macro-miners"? You can put any country/continent/race on the planet in stead of Chinese there, the point is, let's just leave that bit out. The origin is of no importance.
Aaron Rex - Remember the Scordite...
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Aaron Rex
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
SorI think everyone should remember that a lot of macroers aren't asian and I would definately prefer if we could simply call them all macroers and disregard where they happen to live, because at the end of the day it doesnt matter.
This is precisly the point I am trying to make. QFT Wrangler!
Aaron Rex - Remember the Scordite...
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Virida
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:21:00 -
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Is it even legal in china to forbid players to sell game items and currency? this inst an problem inside one country, but an huge problem when the chinese-euro/dollar currency and economies is so different, its like paying an american 1000 dollar the day to do some kind of work, as sweeping with an broom.
Id love to meet chinese online, and play with them.
Is i an racist? no. I love some aspects of asian culture, but some of the countries is so extreme poor the economic differences is huge. They earn less, need less since all is sheaper, and some of our western products is made in lowcost countries. Some have an good life, even if they are having less healthcare and options.
Is banning IP's done? shure it is. Lineage i belive have banned china, and made china only servers. Belive asian mmo's now go for an country only mmo porting, local language, and ban outside IP's in the cases its problem.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron Rex
Originally by: Wrangler
SorI think everyone should remember that a lot of macroers aren't asian and I would definately prefer if we could simply call them all macroers and disregard where they happen to live, because at the end of the day it doesnt matter.
This is precisly the point I am trying to make. QFT Wrangler!
The point we ae trying to make is its starting to create negative PR issues with the vast majority of the player base who now cant mine in empire because the roid grazers - macroers are making that impossible
Negaive PR = players going elsewhere eventually holding onto the paying macro accounts will become less profitable and u will be forced to act or face a massive downhill side in player numbers
Now is the time to act in a big way not dally about with heads in the sand hoping it goes away - other option is allow us to attack NPC corpers over 30 days ingame
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Ruby StarFire
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Face Lifter
I find it interesting how similar this issue is to terrorist profiling in USA. The police forces there want to concentrate on screening known Muslims cause all terrorist happen to be Muslim, while a group for political correctness insists everyone should be screened equally, Muslim or not.
Who is right?
We were supposed to have outgrown that in the past 30 years.... some people dont seem to be able to learn from others mistakes.
What baffles me is how they manage to attain power while being so stupid. Leadership prereq. = Charisma > Intel
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:23:00 -
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Only humans are playing this game or does anyone know any other race thats playing eve?
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:25:00 -
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hmmm automated software i dunno if that qualifies as a lifeform just yet. Though if AI bots can acquire enough processing power human thoughts and behaviour could emerge
So is it humans versus the robots now - the bots contorlled by humans are winning
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Testy Mctest on 10/01/2006 11:30:54
It is not racism.
People dont have a problem with these people because of the colour of their skin, their religious beliefs, or anything else.
They have a problem with macrominers, and as this is an Asian phenomenon for the most part, due to the wage imbalance and the fact that ebaying game goods is better than working a normal job in some places there, it is often blamed on people from there. Not for reasons of racism, but for simple reasons of fact. Racism would imply that people did it due to a predjudice, which they dont. They do it due to a precedent.
They have a problem with a massive new project going on when many people perceive that there is a lot of work still to be done on our own server. We have lag, game balance issues, new content, and all sorts of stuff we're being promised. We were promised that this project would take nothing away from Tranquility, and now in the midst of a massive lag problem, we see people busy working on the new Asian server.
The problem with things like this happening, is that people get upset, and then the do-gooders (like yourself) start shouting about racism. There is no racism here. If there was to be a sudden influx of 50,000 players from France, the UK, Australia, wherever onto a new server, the reaction would be the same.
So please dont create a problem where there is none. There is enough going wrong with the world at the moment due to overzealous political correctness without bringing it here too.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01
Only humans are playing this game or does anyone know any other race thats playing eve?
A trained monkey does my macro mining...
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Macro Slasher
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Macro Slasher on 10/01/2006 11:32:13
Originally by: Wrangler
Edit: Just as a reminder, what we call in game racism is allowed in a RP way, a caldari can dislike the gallente and a minmatar the amarr and so on, that is still allowed. Real life racism isn't. /Edit
So.. I AM allowed to be extremely racist towards anyone in a barge mining ice at high sec  Mmmmm
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:35:00 -
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the fact macroers remain is an economic problem that is CCP chasing this new server while shafting the old one the one that has a loyal and diverse player base the one that up until now has been free of large scale ebaying from global sources.
Fix it CCP then worry bout a new shard
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Mira deVorsha
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Face Lifter
Who is right?
The second group although calling them "PC" is incorrect, they are right.
Profiling does not work. If you want to learn the dangers of these kind of actions have a look at Northern Ireland internment (google for "CAIN internment"). People were picked up off the street because they were Republicans and subjected to interrogations and tourture for no reason other then they were Irish.
If we can't learn by our actions in History then there is no hope for us at all.
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Iorichan
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:39:00 -
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Edited by: Iorichan on 10/01/2006 11:39:30
Overzealous political correctness is the plague of society atm... 
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