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BlueEye
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:16:00 -
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http://www.evetrust.com
Today at 13:00 Eve Standard Time TRUST opened its first Outpost in the EC-P8R system. The platform had been constructed in Jita and tugged to Torrinos in the last week. Sunday early morning it was brought to EC and work started. Within some hours our industrial fleet delivered the materials needed for completion. For operational security we had hired G alliance forces to provide safety from pirates.
Short after 10:00 the automated construction sequence of the platform was started. It was supposed to be finished at 12:00, but then failure struck. For a yet not entirely determined reason the construction process stopped, and it was not finished. Our engineers immediatly went to work to find the problem. They uncovered some fatal software design flaws in the platform. A caldari staff scientist pointed out that part of the software design simply is faulty, probably the product of some inapt gallente programmers. The designers of the Gallente Outpost design were contacted and work to fix the problem frantically started.
Yesterday the problem was believed to be solved, and again short before noon the final assembly routines were started. Again failure struck, the software was faulty yet again. Our technicians had to work another full day to weed out the code that was responsible for the malfunctions.
Finally, the problem was solved, and the construction process restarted. At 13:00 on January 10th it was fully asembled and went operational.
The office Outpost was christened Viribus Unitis (with united forces) and put into operation right after all work was finished.
The Outpost is open for all public. Further we will publically auction off 10 offices in the outpost. Details for these auctions will be made public in another announcement in the appropriate channels. The Outposts main purpose is to serve as a base for our industrial POS operations and as our public front.
Additionally TRUST will provide Clone Jump Services for Corporations in need of a Jump Location near empire. E-C being only one jump from Torrinos should be perfectly suitable for many.
Along with our policy of neutrality everybody will be granted docking rights. The only exception will be corporations who actively become hostile towards us. That however is solely their decision. We aim to deal with everybody, all we ask of others is to accept just that. Due to a few entities taking a hostile stance towards us (no active wars, but they simply shoot whats not blue to them) we had to set some to a negative standing, as protective measure for our pilots. Any such misunderstandings can however be solved by contacting one of our officials.
TRUST will foremost only defend its own interests. If other parties are hostile towards each other we do not wish to be involved and consider that their agenda. We can not guarantee total safety in a public system, everybody should acknowledge that. Yet we do ask the community not to bring your battles to our doorstep. We do believe that "Viribus Unitis" can be beneficial to all of us, even to you.
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BlueEye
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:17:00 -
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Service details for Viribus Unitis (EC-P8R)
- Docking - Clone Facilities (no jump clones yet) - Repair Facilities - Market - Fitting - Missions - Insurance
Minimum requirement for all above services is a standing of 0.0 from us, so all neutrals are allowed to dock. TRUST will only set one to negative standings if one actively starts hostilities with us. By default we maintain neutrality with everybody.
Docking Fees:
For maintenance purposes we ask for a small docking fee. We matched this to the fees of ISS, to 0.2 ISK per m¦ of ship volume.
Jump Clone Services:
An office will include the necessary standings to allow Jump Clones. Jump Clones will be made available via positive standings. These will be leased out on a monthly basis. Details on that will follow when it was thouroughly tested.
Offices:
TRUST will publically auction off 10 offices at the Outpost. Details for these auctions will be made public in the next days in the appropriate sales channels. Additionally office holders will get Jump Clone access, and a docking fee reduction.
For further info on TRUST take a look on our public portal: www.evetrust.com , or join our public channel: Trust
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Capt 69
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:18:00 -
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gl, guys and i hope we dont see you in the future.
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aeti
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: BlueEye Additionally TRUST will provide Clone Jump Services for Corporations in need of a Jump Location near empire. E-C being only one jump from Torrinos should be perfectly suitable for many.
 can't really see any other use for an outpost this close to empire tho 
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:30:00 -
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What kind of outpost is it?
Grats, btw.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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roos
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:31:00 -
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Probably building capital ships I would guess, you can mine the commons in empire and ship it to the station only 1 jump from empire. Look for them to start offering titans and motherships I'm guessing.
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Ifni
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:33:00 -
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Congratulations guys! Will this mark the end of the infamous EC-P8R chokepoint? Or will it be a revitalisation?
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Burlock Ironfist
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:38:00 -
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Grats on your outpost,
Just out of interest (and i have no intent to) can you capture a outpost or do you have to destroy it to get rid of it?
Directing TDOJ Traffic since 18/12/2005 |

maGz
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Burlock Ironfist Grats on your outpost,
Just out of interest (and i have no intent to) can you capture a outpost or do you have to destroy it to get rid of it?
It's conquerable. And grats to TRUST. ______________________
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic What kind of outpost is it?
Grats, btw.
Its another Gall one. -------- Shinra Director
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Mindlles
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:46:00 -
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Gratz _____________________________________________ http://triad.eve-killboard.net/ <- Asuyas kills since 2005-08 =)
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:46:00 -
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Congrats guys
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:47:00 -
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Grats, but maybe ec- is a tad dangerous for an outpost, though i havnt visited in ... wow .. a long time
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful |

Studi
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:49:00 -
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Well, EC-P8R is a chokepoint and TRUST has no intention to change it. So the system stays free for everbody. No restictions, no rules! You can do there what ever you want, except shooting us :)
EC-P8R will see our finest equipment base on the market soon. So deep space citizen don't need to pass to Torrinos anymore.
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Goodtime Girl
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:49:00 -
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Gratz but I have to ask why .... did your system planner start smoking ***** 
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:50:00 -
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i can see alot of random pirate wardec's in teh future tbh..
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA |

Chain Gang
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:51:00 -
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Torrinos ... which is "cough" 1 jump ........ even CCP hand out EC-P8R to Torrinos Jump Gate Insta's when you start out with a new character ... everybody has them ?
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Heritor
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:51:00 -
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I like it.
Good move 
Always where your seatbelt, its far harder for the aliens to abduct you! |

ZedLey
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:51:00 -
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Great stuff happening in eve lately 
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Irrilian
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:51:00 -
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Congratulations and best wishes guys! - - - The Big Blue, ôExodus realised.ö |

Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Chain Gang Torrinos ... which is "cough" 1 jump ........ even CCP hand out EC-P8R to Torrinos Jump Gate Insta's when you start out with a new character ... everybody has them ?
but you can't shoot random neutrals docking in torrinos :)
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Ninsoku
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:59:00 -
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Gratz but if i undock in a brand new ship, i'd prefer to undock in torrinos than in pirate ridden EC-P8R |

The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:00:00 -
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Many congratulations from Jericho Fraction.
We look forward to doing business with you.
The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction |

DonTrump
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:09:00 -
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Great work as always. Good luck.
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SaorAlba
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:14:00 -
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Gratz TRUST. Many will not see the benefit's at first coming from this outpost. However it surely makes EC-8PR a 100% more intresting I wish the TRUST organisation a prosperus 2006. I am a little disapionted though you havn't named it Ferrengi heaven
Greetz, Alba
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Xeriuz
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:20:00 -
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why the **** did you kill EC as a chockpoint dudes!!!!
now everyone is going to be docked and smackin theyr ass off.
BoB plz take this outpost and destroy it plz.
grats tho
X
You Never Know What You Have Until You Lose It |

Cabadrin
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:22:00 -
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Very cool! I love all the outposts. ________________________________________________
Eve-Online Blog |

Gabriel BriGGs
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ninsoku Gratz but if i undock in a brand new ship, i'd prefer to undock in torrinos than in pirate ridden EC-P8R
Good point, but if they make it worth my while I'll take the risk. *doesnt like going to nonni all the time* --------------------------------------------
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rig0r
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:38:00 -
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Nice one ! Good luck with it.
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:49:00 -
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Congratulations, these kinds of achievements are what make EVE that much better than any other MMO out there. I look forward to popping round some time soon to check out the stripper bars!
Movie Trailer |

James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:55:00 -
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Congratulations. Always good to see someone developing 0.0. -- We are recruiting
Carriers on sale |

Amthrianius
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:17:00 -
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Now all we need it a quadruple outpost system with 1 of each type! :D ---------------
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:21:00 -
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Was quite puzzling development given the choice of system, but congratulations on pulling it off and good luck with your venture ^^
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Amthrianius Now all we need it a quadruple outpost system with 1 of each type! :D
Wish that was possible but as is, 1 outpost per system 
My Latest Vid (16/11/05) |

Fred0
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:33:00 -
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Grats to TRUST!
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Originally by: Amthrianius Now all we need it a quadruple outpost system with 1 of each type! :D
Wish that was possible but as is, 1 outpost per system 
Really?, that sucks :( ---------------
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:37:00 -
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Strange choice of system.
sure, easily defended (just stock extra towers in it et voila, one jump from high sec you can hide all you want), also easily stocked, but other then capital ship building, what is its use in a system like that ?
Anyway, congrats _______________________________________________
Power to the players !
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:47:00 -
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Congratz ! And errm... good luck 
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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liquidism
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:48:00 -
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the famous egg-post.. heh now it looks like a giant hard'on
yesterdays ec-p8r local
Quote:
Perry > start a sightseeing tour ... to our left we have the legendary egg... to our right we have a clueless dev... and here we see ....
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Moridan
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:45:00 -
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why do i have a feeling this outpost will become something like the Mos Eisley of Eve. "Speak quietly and carry a big torpedo."
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Moridan why do i have a feeling this outpost will become something like the Mos Eisley of Eve.
what? you too? ----------------
Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:58:00 -
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As a G/IRON & allies station I can definitely see how it would make an excellent battle station and staging platform for military ops. But as a neutral money-maker!?
Damn you capitalists. When the pirates come knocking at your door we'll soon see whose side this outpost is really on!  -omg-
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Platina
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:05:00 -
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cool. gl and congrats
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Moridan
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Moridan why do i have a feeling this outpost will become something like the Mos Eisley of Eve.
what? you too?
I mean, honestly. If i see you there, do i shoot you outside the station as i would by the gate? Or do i respect neutrality of TRUST? I assume i would if G are the bouncers, cause they'll shoot you too :)
And when iron/g camp torr gate, are we gonna hurt TRUST business? Hmm. "Speak quietly and carry a big torpedo."
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Pant Alones
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:15:00 -
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cool congrats -------------------
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Raaki
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:19:00 -
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LOL Outpost in EC-P8R 4tw!
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Veskrashen
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon Damn you capitalists. When the pirates come knocking at your door we'll soon see whose side this outpost is really on! 
Why would they have to choose sides?
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Twoside
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:02:00 -
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Not only would we like to congratulate Trust for the completion of your outpost, we would also like to congratulate you for having members such as Rangar in your ranks. If you ever consider putting him up for sale, CEI is very much interested.
Kind regards, Two-side
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Jonkai
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:06:00 -
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Congrat's guys and gals. :)
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Gareitonis
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:12:00 -
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Congratulations gentlemen
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Moridan
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Moridan why do i have a feeling this outpost will become something like the Mos Eisley of Eve.
what? you too?
I mean, honestly. If i see you there, do i shoot you outside the station as i would by the gate? Or do i respect neutrality of TRUST? I assume i would if G are the bouncers, cause they'll shoot you too :)
And when iron/g camp torr gate, are we gonna hurt TRUST business? Hmm.
exactly. IMHO an outpost in EC, altho it looks a nice idea in paper, simply raises too many complications due to the collourfull political landscape of EVE.
for example, as a staging point for pratically everyone that wishes to attack the north.
it's almost like as putting an outpost in HED. True there's npc stations in stain, but having a station so close of empire, and in the end of an empire route with barely no stations for arround 4 to 5 jumps. It will end in one of 2 situations: - Pirate camps get meaner and bigger; - It will end up to be conquered by anyone who wishes to make a staging point from it.
....ofc that I might saying total bull****, but at least it's what I think ----------------
Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:22:00 -
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Wow, cool, I actually noticed it in ec-p8r before reading this here, I think I'll go dock now, or get podded trying.
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: Raid on 10/01/2006 20:31:42 WOW.... bad location guys... With the ammount of combat going on in the area, large corps will take this outpost from you and use it as a military staging point. Why would anyone want to dock at a neutral structure when you can take it over and deny access to your enemies.
Goodluck defending that thing! I hope you can afford to hire a merc corp or defend it yourself.
Edit: Grimpak your absolutly rigth with your last point. Anyone who wants to stage an attack on the north would definetly take this outpost over. You guy just put up a free station!
----------------------- I speak Russian. Ctrl,Alt,Del...
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Ishida
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:34:00 -
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congrats on your outpost guys !
now to spend billions on advanced starship assembly lines :( --
NAGAMAZON webshop
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SaorAlba
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Raid Edited by: Raid on 10/01/2006 20:31:42 WOW.... bad location guys... With the ammount of combat going on in the area, large corps will take this outpost from you and use it as a military staging point. Why would anyone want to dock at a neutral structure when you can take it over and deny access to your enemies.
Goodluck defending that thing! I hope you can afford to hire a merc corp or defend it yourself.
Edit: Grimpak your absolutly rigth with your last point. Anyone who wants to stage an attack on the north would definetly take this outpost over. You guy just put up a free station!
Me fly's to ec-8pr and checks scanner,
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Fred0
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Raid Edit: Grimpak your absolutly rigth with your last point. Anyone who wants to stage an attack on the north would definetly take this outpost over. You guy just put up a free station!

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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Horb
Here's an idea. Why don't you guys buy a crapload of most skills and sell them on the market at the outpost. One of the most annoying things about the north is the nearest skill station from torrinos is like 11 jumps. Do that and I be happy.
*edit: didn't like the stars.
Where there's a need, there'll be a supplier. Course they'll charge over the odds, but what you save on hauling time, you can go kill some stuff and make money to pay the extra :)
Kudos. Nice to see another public outpost going up. This one is defensible, too, if all the peaceful (to each other :D) northern alliances take the effort; you could push all the pirates one jump out into EWOK, and guarantee access to this outpost for the empire dwellers.
That might not be part of TRUST's plan, but I'm curious to see how things pan out. ________________________________________________
"I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked." |

Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:28:00 -
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Why set up a market in one of Eve's most dangerous systems when you have Torrinos next door? Not to mention x-7omu a few systems over with it's npc stations.
Somebody in the strategy and planning department needs thier head read.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Darko1107
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:36:00 -
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Studi is one of the cleverest people i have ever had the pleasure to speak to, he knows exactly what hes doing, he wouldnt have chose this location if he didnt know 100% that it was the very best place to complete thier goals, whatever they maybe.
Congrats, and goodluck.
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IamBen
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Posted - 2006.01.10 22:27:00 -
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That is awesome :) nice job guys.
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Stratosfear
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Posted - 2006.01.10 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: Stratosfear on 10/01/2006 22:40:27 We need one in PF-346, get on it.
Then HED-GP...
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Scimatar Wolff
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Posted - 2006.01.10 23:13:00 -
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Nice to see another public outpost. I guess you really thought this over before you built it, but the choise of location is abit strange. Hope it works out for you, and congratulations.
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Pallas Athene
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Posted - 2006.01.10 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: Pallas Athene on 10/01/2006 23:13:35
Originally by: Stratosfear Edited by: Stratosfear on 10/01/2006 22:40:27 We need one in PF-346, get on it.
Then HED-GP...
That¦s not an option - Intaki Syndicate territory ... but a nice idea 
Oh, and nice job guys ... and yeah, Studi knows what he¦s doing .
N.A.G.A Website I make you a Prince - promise |

Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2006.01.10 23:19:00 -
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Gratz guys, hope it goes very well.  ----------------------
Originally by: Seleene
I maintain that OZ is evil and have nothing further to add.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.01.10 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Omber Zombie Gratz guys, hope it goes very well. 
Look at the sly smile. I bet he just smuggled an anti-matter bomb onto the thing! Run for your lives!!!  -
History of the MC Teaser Trailer |

j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.01.10 23:40:00 -
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"Look at the sly smile. I bet he just smuggled an anti-matter bomb onto the thing! Run for your lives!!! "
THere's plutonium factory just few jumps farther into Pure Blind, too... o.O
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.01.11 00:52:00 -
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fwiw, I think the placement of an outpost in ec-p is very astute - not so sure I agree with the choice of type, but hte location is 100%.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.01.11 00:58:00 -
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If someone would be so kind as to explain what the different types of outposts do that would be most excellent.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra If someone would be so kind as to explain what the different types of outposts do that would be most excellent.
(primary roles) Gallente = office space Amarr = factory slots Caldari = Labs Minmatar = refining.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Moridan why do i have a feeling this outpost will become something like the Mos Eisley of Eve.
what? you too?
/waves hand
those are not the pods you are looking for 
Good Job on the outpost tho, always love to see more colonization of 0.0 and hope it brings you a good income!
P.S.: For those wondering btw I think thats a great location for capital ships to jump to, especially since it allows to freight stuff using carriers/dreads/motherships in just one jump from the deeper areas of northern space (u cannot jump a capital ship to torrinos).
- Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius) |

NATMav
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Moridan why do i have a feeling this outpost will become something like the Mos Eisley of Eve.
what? you too?
/waves hand
those are not the pods you are looking for 
Good Job on the outpost tho, always love to see more colonization of 0.0 and hope it brings you a good income!
P.S.: For those wondering btw I think thats a great location for capital ships to jump to, especially since it allows to freight stuff using carriers/dreads/motherships in just one jump from the deeper areas of northern space (u cannot jump a capital ship to torrinos).
That is an excellent point.
Inappropriate sig -zhuge |

Franky B
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:35:00 -
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yep, it is quite a good location actually.
but I see 1 glaring issue, to maintain revenue you need to get regular customers. to get regular customers, you need an open highway or path to the oupost.
Now this outpost I think will be VERY popular. its the most accessible from empire and alot of new and inexperienced players will go there to check it out.
this means that alot of pirates will start camping the system (if its even possible to camp it any more than it already is).
so is trust going to employ or form a navy tasked with keeping the outpost and the torrinos gate clear? or will you leave your customer at the hands of the gankers?
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Moridan why do i have a feeling this outpost will become something like the Mos Eisley of Eve.
what? you too?
/waves hand
those are not the pods you are looking for 
Good Job on the outpost tho, always love to see more colonization of 0.0 and hope it brings you a good income!
P.S.: For those wondering btw I think thats a great location for capital ships to jump to, especially since it allows to freight stuff using carriers/dreads/motherships in just one jump from the deeper areas of northern space (u cannot jump a capital ship to torrinos).
That is one of about 5 reasons I can think of for placing an outpost in ec-p8r, yep.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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shivan
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Studi Well, EC-P8R is a chokepoint and TRUST has no intention to change it. So the system stays free for everbody. No restictions, no rules! You can do there what ever you want, except shooting us :)
EC-P8R will see our finest equipment base on the market soon. So deep space citizen don't need to pass to Torrinos anymore.
that also means you can easy access to mine the crokite there with less risk of being bothered by other peeps.
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Molten Platypii
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:59:00 -
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Congratulations!
Now I know why I was trapped in EC. G had two warp bubbles on each gate during the construction process. 
This will surely make EC a more interesting place to visit. Happy times are coming. 
Mp
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Azuriel Talloth
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Posted - 2006.01.11 04:34:00 -
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A public outpost just outside Empire borders with jump clones for everybody? I can see it getting a lot of traffic 
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Enforcia
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Posted - 2006.01.11 04:39:00 -
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From what I knew you cannot set a custom price on the jumping clone. And from what I knew again the owner does not recive the instalation price of 100k that is currently in place
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2006.01.11 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine "Look at the sly smile. I bet he just smuggled an anti-matter bomb onto the thing! Run for your lives!!! "
THere's plutonium factory just few jumps farther into Pure Blind, too... o.O
oi, you 2, stop blabbing my plans all over te forums  ----------------------
Originally by: Seleene
I maintain that OZ is evil and have nothing further to add.
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Elroy Cruise
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:30:00 -
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Nice move, congratulations. Given the system of choice, I suspect the clone service will signficantly help with customer retention. ;) ------------------ N.A.G.A Scout, bookie specialist, part-time diplomat, and diagnosed drone maniac. |

Echo147
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Posted - 2006.01.11 08:20:00 -
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GJ guys, grats.
Heritor has a second place to hide now 
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Nahual
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Posted - 2006.01.11 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Echo147 GJ guys, grats.
Heritor has a second place to hide now 
and a lot of fresh new targets for him!
GJ guys, congrats on it! =------= Nahual
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.01.11 10:30:00 -
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How can you build and secure a outpost in a chokepoint like ec-p :\ nicely done 
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Saerid
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Posted - 2006.01.11 10:53:00 -
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Mad props. Love the location. I expect the clone service will be a hit.
So..Gallente outpost 1) Market. Cuts 11j out of skill fetching trips 2) Clone jumping.. put up a bundle of gear for,say, cheap tackler frigs up. People can hop in, fit up a quick ship and they're on their way again in 60 seconds. 3) Capital ship landing zone. Guessing you could rent friendly POS standings too. As in, Cynosural generator lits up the system like a christmas tree, if you had to pick a spot to fire it up in a system like that, you'd rather have it next to a dozen POS batteries set to fire on aggression?
Should offer all sort of interesting opportunities, certainly. How about..
Clone Jump Coalition - Get in touch with all the other neutral outpost owners and offer those clone jump services as a package deal. I could see how someone like,say, Mercenary Coalition would find it useful to have ready access to far corners of the galaxy at a moment's notice. - Transport networks become more valuable the larger they are. More incentive to keep the station where it is, under same management. - ISS Borealis,Marginis, TRUST.. Big Blue, probably others. Should provide a decent coverage to start with. Just a thought. 
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Ribbo
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Posted - 2006.01.11 11:11:00 -
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for the eve community what a great gamble sticking it in Ec- :d it's going to change the dynamics of that system now :d
Bravo :D
Ribbo
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Raaki
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Posted - 2006.01.11 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Raaki on 11/01/2006 12:36:58 Lol at having all of your enemy's clonejump onto your doorstep in a moments notice.
This outpost is bad imo.
Strategicaly a nightmare this outpost, I think this thing will change owner quite a few times.
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Chain Gang
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Posted - 2006.01.11 13:59:00 -
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How much does a sation cost and wots needed to keep it running ?
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Spuki
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Posted - 2006.01.11 14:53:00 -
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I dont think this thing changes owner so many times. Where exactly is the big benefit of taking down many large pos to get an outpost that is only one jump away from empire?
You can buy stuff, fit your ship, sit on a station, have your hangar or whatever people do on stations as well in torrinos without stepping on someone neutrals foot.
You dont have to take the outpost for a clone jump as TRUST is offering this as one of their services. I also doubt that any northern alliance will try to take this outpost as preventive measure. Pure Blind is considered neutral space by all of us northeners if i am informed correctly.
The only thing i dont understand is why you have choosen a gallente outpost and not one that is good for producing stuff? EC-P8R would be perfect suited for such kind of outpost since its really easy to supply it with minerals out of high-sec empire space.
Anyway, i hope i will be able to buy my new t2 toys in ec-p8 now. And dont forget to put up all the new availiable skills on market there for me :)
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.01.11 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Raaki Edited by: Raaki on 11/01/2006 12:36:58 Lol at having all of your enemy's clonejump onto your doorstep in a moments notice.
This outpost is bad imo.
Strategicaly a nightmare this outpost, I think this thing will change owner quite a few times.
As much as I admire this move by TRUST I really cant see this going well long term.
If the northern alliances dont see this as a huge security risk then they are really blind. Who the hell would want a neutral outpost selling t2 everything right at your doorstep for enemies to clone to? Sure TRUST is going to make money off this, but eventually northern alliances will pay for it with less secure space.
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Serj Darek
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Posted - 2006.01.11 15:23:00 -
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Really sweet station and a great achievement indeed!
We will set TRUST to +10 immidietly so no mishaps occur.
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.01.11 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: Raid on 11/01/2006 15:36:54 Spuki its not that the neutral outpost has bad services. The problem for you guys is that your enemies get to use it the same way you do. Not only that, your enemies can buy everything they need to launch an offensive against you.
Its not about not being able to access it for yourself, its about denying that same access to your enemies.
If someone were to put up an outpost in HED-GP southern alliances would suddenly lose what little control they had over that system. Everyone and their dogs would be able to live there 24/7 with a safe place to dock, unlimited ships, gear and mods and a clone jumping facility to return with no problems.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.01.11 15:41:00 -
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"If the northern alliances dont see this as a huge security risk then they are really blind. Who the hell would want a neutral outpost selling t2 everything right at your doorstep for enemies to clone to?"
As opposed to Torrinos one jump from EC-, choke-full of NPC stations with cloning services and providing security against anything but empire war enemies on top of it..?
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.01.11 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
As opposed to Torrinos one jump from EC-, choke-full of NPC stations with cloning services and providing security against anything but empire war enemies on top of it..?
You cant claim an empire region and deny access to your enemies. You can claim EC-P and deny access to your enemies. Theres a HUGE difference in being able to live in the 0.0 system instead of having to jump back to empire to get what you need.
Add to that EVERYTHING is going to be sold in EC-P (its an industrial/t2 alliance controling the station ffs!) its hands down better than torrinos, thus a strategic nightmare for people living beyond it.
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Spuki
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Posted - 2006.01.11 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Raid Spuki its not that the neutral outpost has bad services. The problem for you guys is that your enemies get to use it the same way you do. Not only that, your enemies can buy everything they need to launch an offensive against you.
Its not about not being able to access it for yourself, its about denying that same access to your enemies.
Theres nothing my enemies can do in ec-p8r, what they cant do in torrinos as well. And no, using jump clones isnt an argument either ... you can do this will little more effort to any station in torrinos without 8.0 npc standing.
I dont get your point, really. What exactly should i deny my enemies by taking that outpost?
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min doner
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Posted - 2006.01.11 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Raid
Originally by: j0sephine
As opposed to Torrinos one jump from EC-, choke-full of NPC stations with cloning services and providing security against anything but empire war enemies on top of it..?
You cant claim an empire region and deny access to your enemies. You can claim EC-P and deny access to your enemies. Theres a HUGE difference in being able to live in the 0.0 system instead of having to jump back to empire to get what you need.
Add to that EVERYTHING is going to be sold in EC-P (its an industrial/t2 alliance controling the station ffs!) its hands down better than torrinos, thus a strategic nightmare for people living beyond it.
bah.. just camp ewok and problem solved.. :)
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Spuki
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Raid You cant claim an empire region and deny access to your enemies. You can claim EC-P and deny access to your enemies. Theres a HUGE difference in being able to live in the 0.0 system instead of having to jump back to empire to get what you need.
The difference is exactly 1 jump :P
Originally by: Raid Add to that EVERYTHING is going to be sold in EC-P (its an industrial/t2 alliance controling the station ffs!) its hands down better than torrinos, thus a strategic nightmare for people living beyond it.
So the solution for keeping my enemies to become supplied by TRUST is to conquer that outpost? Dont you think TRUST will stop suppling me in that case and continue to sell stuff to my enemies in torrinos? ---------
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig (ur sig sucks)
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Vanye
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Raid Edited by: Raid on 11/01/2006 15:36:54 Its not about not being able to access it for yourself, its about denying that same access to your enemies.
There are NPC Stations with medical services far closer to northern space, and they are way better staging points for assaults against us than ec-p8r. In fact, it would require an alliance leader to be seriously drunk (TO THETR DRUMNBS...) to start a large scale POS war with a wealthy industrial alliance in order to save himself this one single jump from Torri.
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Spuki The difference is exactly 1 jump :P
Camp there a few days and you will see how big a difference that one jump can make. The jump from empire to 0.0 is the most important jump a traveler can make.
Originally by: Raid
So the solution for keeping my enemies to become supplied by TRUST is to conquer that outpost? Dont you think TRUST will stop suppling me in that case and continue to sell stuff to my enemies in torrinos?
That one way of solving he problem. The other would be to get the neutral party on your side and deny access to your enemies.
So what if trust stops supplying you? Chances are you dont buy stuff from them anyways! The benefits are there no doubt. But you need to recognize the problems as well.
That system could never be claimed because no one could 24/7 control it. Well that is obviously going to change now that people can live there without having to go back into empire. If you can dock, and your enemies cant, then they have to make trips to empire and you dont. Thus you now control the system and improve security for your region.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:26:00 -
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CBA to read all these posts but, is there any point to a outpost 1 jump from empire?
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Raaki
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:29:00 -
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I think clone-jumping is a verry valid argument.
Torrinos might just be 1 jump away, but to get a standing of 8+ for you corp is a hard thing to do. A lot of corps in your enemy alliance don't have +8 corp standings to some Torrinos corp.
We are not talking pod-jumping here, cause if your talking pod-jumping, people with expensive implants will not do it.
Clone jumping allows verry big numbers of people to be in EC instantly. No traveling involved, implants left behind. Jump in a ship and head up North.
It's a security issue for sure
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Spuki
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Spuki on 11/01/2006 16:34:54
Originally by: Raid Camp there a few days and you will see how big a difference that one jump can make. The jump from empire to 0.0 is the most important jump a traveler can make.
A "traveler" isnt a real threat to any northern alliance. We talk about serious fleets here. Simple pirates have always been in EC-P8R .. theres not much sence in trying to change that. Anyway, the choking point havent been extinguished. If at all, it has just been moved to ewok instead.
Originally by: Raid That one way of solving he problem. The other would be to get the neutral party on your side and deny access to your enemies.
Thats the problems with neutrals ... they tend to be neutral :P I like civilian organisations, btw.
Originally by: Raid So what if trust stops supplying you? Chances are you dont buy stuff from them anyways!
Chances are my enemies dont buy stuff from them anyways! So why bother?!
Originally by: Raid
That system could never be claimed because no one could 24/7 control it. Well that is obviously going to change now that people can live there without having to go back into empire. If you can dock, and your enemies cant, then they have to make trips to empire and you dont. Thus you now control the system and improve security for your region.
Its still just 1 jump. You really overestimate the importance of that system for the northern region.
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Originally by: Raaki We are not talking pod-jumping here, cause if your talking pod-jumping, people with expensive implants will not do it.
Thats not true, think a little bit about ways to avoid loosing the implants. ---------
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Ra CBA to read all these posts but, is there any point to a outpost 1 jump from empire?
Why cross a busy highway to get to the store when you can buy everything in the playground?
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:37:00 -
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Raid you seem pretty cluless, how does the presence of an outpost exactly reduce your control over a chokepoint?
Enemy can dock yes, but then nothing stops you from camping the station -> instead of docking what stops them from instaing out anyway??
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Raid you seem pretty cluless, how does the presence of an outpost exactly reduce your control over a chokepoint?
Enemy can dock yes, but then nothing stops you from camping the station -> instead of docking what stops them from instaing out anyway??
Clueless? Have you even read who is running the station and what will be offered there? Imagine having 20 dedicated enemies living there 23/7 instead of 12/7. You dont have to leave to buy things! All the pvp comes to you. If you live beyond this point and you dont take full control of the chokepoint its going to be near impossible for single ships or small gangs to venture in there!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.01.11 17:27:00 -
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"I think clone-jumping is a verry valid argument.
Torrinos might just be 1 jump away, but to get a standing of 8+ for you corp is a hard thing to do. A lot of corps in your enemy alliance don't have +8 corp standings to some Torrinos corp.
We are not talking pod-jumping here, cause if your talking pod-jumping, people with expensive implants will not do it."
People with implants set up clone at ISS outpost or any station they own, and use that to switch to clone-less body.
Then do regular clone jump to Torrinos.
The minimal amount of extra effort involved is no issue to force determined enough to stage large attack in the first place.
Btw you can have jump clones in NPC stations without high standings. But that's another story....
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.01.11 17:59:00 -
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i went by and checked it out. It's very pretty. Looks like a big green skyscraper.
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