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BOOFER	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:48:00 - [1] Having been out of alliance politics for a while (Decided to found a brand new corp (Mostly for the challenge) incase anyone is interested) and now being on the outside looking in, it would appear to me that the North and the South seem to have changed positions somewhat. The North was for a long time, before and after BOB came on the scene, synonymous with smaller infighting alliances. The South on the other hand for the most part remained relatively stable, apart from the break-up of CA and other significant events. (By which I mean that the number of alliances in the South has remained rather more uniform and friendships were quite common.) It therefore worries me to see the South in such a fractured state, whilst G, Iron and other Northern alliances appear to be such stable powerhouses in modern EVE. Most of this I assume is still due to bad blood over the whole "SA Vs SE" incident and other subsequent traumas, however this should be irrelevant. In my eyes it looks like the much publicised "North Vs South" war is very nearly over with the South looking like the underdogs due to an alarming tendency toward defence, concentrating the few offensives on neighbours. Even BOB, fabled for their exploits seem to be having a tough ride. And no wonder as they are nearly the only entity actually on the offensive in Northern territory from what I see. Basically the way it looks to me is if ever the North is going to recieve a realistic challenge then the South needs to once again unite, stop this infighting and start co-operating. Its far easier to attack your neighbours than a distant enemy I conceed, but think about this.... If leaders in the South do not push very hard toward unilateral mending of fences and co-operation, we will no doubt see an even more fragmented cluster of alliances in the South, not able to do much more than defend themselves to the best of their abilities, or is this incorrect? History would seem to agree with me. Wouldn't it be amazing to see a strong and unified South go up against the strong and unified North? Wasn't that what we all wanted when the "North Vs South" idea hit the forum headlines? These are my personal views. Like I said earlier I have been out of the political arena for some time so please feel free to correct any mistakes I may have made. But I will ask if possible to contain the flaming. My wish here is simply to see the South reunify, not to Troll or dig up old arguments, These were my 2 pence. Thankyou for reading. "The South will rise again!" _______________________________________________ Boofer CEO New sig coming soon..... (Sorry theBold :P)
dimensionZ	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:49:00 - [2] Crokite roids are giving us a tough ride ----------------------------------------
The Enslaver	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:56:00 - [3] The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever. The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm. -------- Shinra Director
aeti	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:57:00 - [4] I think its more like "wait till the servers are fixed" because otherwise both sides just die a pointless laggy death
Ramuh	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:57:00 - [5] Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever. The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm. FIX - SA/Huzzah?
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:57:00 - [6] Originally by: dimensionZ Crokite roids are giving us a tough ride train up astrogeology and teach them a lesson
Nebuli	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:59:00 - [7] Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever. The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm. QFT if RED werent so arrogant in their attitude the south would probably be pretty well united right now.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Ramuh Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever. The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm. FIX - SA/Huzzah? I won't make a comment on that one. -------- Shinra Director
DjDangle	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Nebuli Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever. The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm. QFT if RED werent so arrogant in their attitude the south would probably be pretty well united right now. \signed "On My Signal, Unleash Hell"
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:02:00 - [10] Originally by: aeti I think its more like "wait till the servers are fixed" because otherwise both sides just die a pointless laggy death Word. It is pointless, with the state of the servers at this time, to engage in the kind of battleplan that is required to actually hurt an alliance and / or force compliance with a set of rules and ideals. Until 100 on each side is once again possible, don't expect to see people clamouring for them. Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
Lunas Feelgood	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:12:00 - [11] All this north, south unity is the biggest crap ever. People dont wanna jump 100 jumps to fight some1.. Again all this Unity is crap and its the worst thing that can happend to pvp.. Start shooting eachother and dont just sign naps becuase you live close to eachother.. Nap people that lives far away and kill you neighbours its much more fun
oidalia	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood All this north, south unity is the biggest crap ever. People dont wanna jump 100 jumps to fight some1.. Again all this Unity is crap and its the worst thing that can happend to pvp.. Start shooting eachother and dont just sign naps becuase you live close to eachother.. Nap people that lives far away and kill you neighbours its much more fun QFT
Mystic Mansions	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:24:00 - [13] Originally by: Ramuh Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever. The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm. FIX - SA/Huzzah? Correction. It's FIX vs SA/Huzzah/Kaos/Nova/IMP and a few others SA enlisted help from.
thoth foc	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:29:00 - [14] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood All this north, south unity is the biggest crap ever. People dont wanna jump 100 jumps to fight some1.. Again all this Unity is crap and its the worst thing that can happend to pvp.. Start shooting eachother and dont just sign naps becuase you live close to eachother.. Nap people that lives far away and kill you neighbours its much more fun /signed tbh.. oh no.. not another "the north v south" threads again :S why do we need "OMGSUPERALLIANCESOFALLIANCES"? [5] has been fighting F-E/PA/NBSI for months without any problems, for a long period it was atuk fighting them alone.. --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Mystic Mansions Originally by: Ramuh Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever. The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm. FIX - SA/Huzzah? Correction. It's FIX vs SA/Huzzah/Kaos/Nova/IMP and a few others SA enlisted help from. Actually ASUYA, Exile and so on are fighting right alongside FIX vs SA + Huzzah + Kaos. But to be honest it's everyone in Providence, Catch and Querlilous fighting lag, hope this will change with the upcoming fixes. But having a nice alliance of alliances working together is good fun and bodes well for the future. El Presedente Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
thoth foc	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:32:00 - [16] Originally by: Nebuli Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever. The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm. QFT if RED werent so arrogant in their attitude the south would probably be pretty well united right now. mhm.. if RA hadnt backstabbed [5] you would all be complaining how bored you were :P --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
Reason Taki	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:33:00 - [17] the lag it has gone omg . well peace lasted long let the wars begin in haste rofl [URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]
Penny Parker	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood All this north, south unity is the biggest crap ever. People dont wanna jump 100 jumps to fight some1.. Again all this Unity is crap and its the worst thing that can happend to pvp.. Start shooting eachother and dont just sign naps becuase you live close to eachother.. Nap people that lives far away and kill you neighbours its much more fun That's amusing, coming from the corp that formed NBSI who napped F-E/PA/G/IRON.
Mystic Mansions	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:52:00 - [19] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Mystic Mansions Originally by: Ramuh Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever. The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm. FIX - SA/Huzzah? Correction. It's FIX vs SA/Huzzah/Kaos/Nova/IMP and a few others SA enlisted help from. Actually ASUYA, Exile and so on are fighting right alongside FIX vs SA + Huzzah + Kaos. But to be honest it's everyone in Providence, Catch and Querlilous fighting lag, hope this will change with the upcoming fixes. But having a nice alliance of alliances working together is good fun and bodes well for the future. Actually, I wasn't mentioning corporations, only alliances, but if you want that clarified. The hostilities have been like so (check the relevant killboards to see who's been involved): FIX+friendly corps(Asuya,Council,Exile,Arcane Industries) vs SA/HUZZAH/KAOS/IMP/UCC/NOVA+friendly corps (Shadow Company, DAB, Hedgehogs and others) I would mention what sort of results have been happening, but it would be rude to hijack this thread, those arguements have been dealt with elsewhere and the people involved know the results.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:55:00 - [20] Originally by: Mystic Mansions I would mention what sort of results have been happening, but it would be rude to hijack this thread, those arguements have been dealt with elsewhere and the people involved know the results. to sum up: every major fight has been a total lagfest for all involved.
Mystic Mansions	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:56:00 - [21] Oh, I forgot to mention that Exile has a grand total of 14 members. Well worth mentioning in an alliance war.. I'm sure you will agree.
Mystic Mansions	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:57:00 - [22] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Mystic Mansions I would mention what sort of results have been happening, but it would be rude to hijack this thread, those arguements have been dealt with elsewhere and the people involved know the results. to sum up: every major fight has been a total lagfest for all involved. QFT
Border201	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:00:00 - [23] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Mystic Mansions Originally by: Ramuh Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever. The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm. FIX - SA/Huzzah? Correction. It's FIX vs SA/Huzzah/Kaos/Nova/IMP and a few others SA enlisted help from. Actually ASUYA, Exile and so on are fighting right alongside FIX vs SA + Huzzah + Kaos. But to be honest it's everyone in Providence, Catch and Querlilous fighting lag, hope this will change with the upcoming fixes. But having a nice alliance of alliances working together is good fun and bodes well for the future. Quick comment there both alliance's have friendly corps that have been engaging (not on the alliance's behalf)with the other alliance before open conflict even begain between SA and FIX. Just my 2 cents. Originally by: corporal hicks Internet: where men are men, women are men and kids are cops
maxsuicide1	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:01:00 - [24] dont complain that everyone is gangbanging u fix, KAOS = SA but with a different name, they would of been sa had they not fallen out with the rest lol. So really its nothing to whine about. Huzzah...well..they arent a major alliance, so u shouldnt whine about them either, they just dipping their toes into the major stuff atm. and Godo for them Fix ally corps have been pirating the corridor of catch for months, they now fight on ur side. you have no excuse.
Salerator	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:16:00 - [25] Originally by: maxsuicide1 dont complain that everyone is gangbanging u fix, KAOS = SA but with a different name, they would of been sa had they not fallen out with the rest lol. So really its nothing to whine about. Huzzah...well..they arent a major alliance, so u shouldnt whine about them either, they just dipping their toes into the major stuff atm. and Godo for them Fix ally corps have been pirating the corridor of catch for months, they now fight on ur side. you have no excuse. I dont get how you can get away with using an alt on another account whilst banned.
BOOFER	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:17:00 - [26] Edited by: BOOFER on 10/01/2006 17:18:28 Okay the situation seems to be three wars in the South. The South East vs Reds, The South West vs FIX and finally BOB and ASCN vs Iron and G. Not precise I know but its the gist im after here. Now lets hypothesise. Lets say ASCN space is taken by G and Iron (Sorry to Cyvok et al this is meerly an eg. I know full well what you are capable of.) and lets say G and IRON move to the nearest target ...... looks at map Tribal... Would the rest of the South be friendly enough to help them out? (Again no offense meant to Abs et al) Thats the kind of friendship there used to be for quite sometime. (After the SCA thing and the SA-SE thing it got a bit turned around) Because theoretically again the North who are attacking the South could take a target at a time and slowly make their way across... I ask you is this concieveable? Also please take into account that in the last 5 months the South has gone from 5-6 alliances to 10 - 11. Smaller spaces are easier to defend but not as larger player pool to draw from. also the more alliances the more statistical likelyhood of friction. Now what if there are more splits. This is the point im trying to get across if you follow me.... Not sure I do myself after reading this again _______________________________________________ Boofer CEO New sig coming soon..... (Sorry theBold :P)
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:17:00 - [27] Edited by: Hans Roaming on 10/01/2006 17:19:50 Originally by: Mystic Mansions FIX+friendly corps(Asuya,Council,Exile,Arcane Industries) vs SA/HUZZAH/KAOS/IMP/UCC/NOVA+friendly corps (Shadow Company, DAB, Hedgehogs and others) Actually everyone that fires on the combatants involved is not allied with us and vica versa, the only alliances working together against FIX are SA + Kaos + Huzzah, the corps were mentioned as they are flying in FIX gangs and are playing a very active part in the war for FIX which is commendable on their part. However getting back on topic it does show that not everyone is fighting everyone else in the south but can work together. And Max is right, this is new stuff for us and a big adventure, very challenging but regardless what happens the only way to grow yourself in your capabilities is to sometimes jump in the deep end and go for it. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Imode	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:18:00 - [28] Edited by: Imode on 10/01/2006 17:26:47 Originally by: maxsuicide1 dont complain that everyone is gangbanging u fix, KAOS = SA but with a different name, they would of been sa had they not fallen out with the rest lol. So really its nothing to whine about. Huzzah...well..they arent a major alliance, so u shouldnt whine about them either, they just dipping their toes into the major stuff atm. and Godo for them Fix ally corps have been pirating the corridor of catch for months, they now fight on ur side. you have no excuse. You misunderstand. There's no complaints here, Max. I love the new SA/KAOS/HF group. They come ready to kill and ready to die. I haven't once seen them doing anything like a mass logoff or run to the hills like girls, regardless of whether they're in a significantly outnumbered force or not. A few just safespot to infinity, but that's what self-preservation will do to you. To be honest, this is such a refreshing change from the run-of-the-mill 'log and gank' and 'internal sabotage' merc/pirate/alliance entities that we have faced recently. No more of this travelling 13 jumps only to watch the whole right side of your screen fill w/ people logging off. p.s. They do us the great courtesy of coming to our doorstep to fight. Naysayers see it as invasion. I see it as 'lazy pvp'ers heaven'. ____________________________ Band of Builders Inc. - Firmus Ixion
BOOFER	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:50:00 - [29] Edited by: BOOFER on 10/01/2006 17:52:16 Originally by: thoth foc Edited by: thoth foc on 10/01/2006 17:48:17 Originally by: BOOFER Edited by: BOOFER on 10/01/2006 17:18:28 Okay the situation seems to be three wars in the South. The South East vs Reds, The South West vs FIX and finally BOB and ASCN vs Iron and G. Not precise I know but its the gist im after here. Now lets hypothesise. Lets say ASCN space is taken by G and Iron (Sorry to Cyvok et al this is meerly an eg. I know full well what you are capable of.) and lets say G and IRON move to the nearest target ...... looks at map Tribal... Would the rest of the South be friendly enough to help them out? (Again no offense meant to Abs et al) Thats the kind of friendship there used to be for quite sometime. (After the SCA thing and the SA-SE thing it got a bit turned around) Because theoretically again the North who are attacking the South could take a target at a time and slowly make their way across... I ask you is this concieveable? Also please take into account that in the last 5 months the South has gone from 5-6 alliances to 10 - 11. Smaller spaces are easier to defend but not as larger player pool to draw from. also the more alliances the more statistical likelyhood of friction. Now what if there are more splits. This is the point im trying to get across if you follow me.... Not sure I do myself after reading this again ok.. i'm missing something... if g/iron are strong enuff to take an area in the south and wish to do so.. why should everyone in the south cry about it? why "unite" to fight "the north" 100 jumps away, when the worst alternative is to fight them maybe 20 jumps away... By George I think hes got it sort of If they are able to do that then they could persevably continue to do so as the South fractures more. The more shards the easier time they have. Hypothetically... _______________________________________________ Boofer CEO New sig coming soon..... (Sorry theBold :P)
thoth foc	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:55:00 - [30] Edited by: thoth foc on 10/01/2006 17:59:47 Originally by: BOOFER By George I think hes got it no tbh.. i'm getting more lost each post the south has always been strong due to it being in constant conflicts.. edit: ah, well what difference does it make if it's a north alliance or a south one.. ur still fighting in same place.. why see the need to ally with X000's of ppl on the off chance that what 1000->2000 might invade.. --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
Christopher Multsanti	Posted - 2006.01.10 18:20:00 - [31] Originally by: Penny Parker Originally by: Lunas Feelgood All this north, south unity is the biggest crap ever. People dont wanna jump 100 jumps to fight some1.. Again all this Unity is crap and its the worst thing that can happend to pvp.. Start shooting eachother and dont just sign naps becuase you live close to eachother.. Nap people that lives far away and kill you neighbours its much more fun That's amusing, coming from the corp that formed NBSI who napped F-E/PA/G/IRON. So explain to us why we left again? Death and Glory in H-PA
TWD	Posted - 2006.01.10 18:22:00 - [32] Edited by: TWD on 10/01/2006 18:24:28 Originally by: BOOFER Edited by: BOOFER on 10/01/2006 17:18:28 Okay the situation seems to be three wars in the South. The South East vs Reds, The South West vs FIX and finally BOB and ASCN vs Iron and G. Not precise I know but its the gist im after here. Now lets hypothesise. Lets say ASCN space is taken by G and Iron (Sorry to Cyvok et al this is meerly an eg. I know full well what you are capable of.) and lets say G and IRON move to the nearest target ...... looks at map Tribal... Would the rest of the South be friendly enough to help them out? (Again no offense meant to Abs et al) Thats the kind of friendship there used to be for quite sometime. (After the SCA thing and the SA-SE thing it got a bit turned around) Because theoretically again the North who are attacking the South could take a target at a time and slowly make their way across... I ask you is this concieveable? Also please take into account that in the last 5 months the South has gone from 5-6 alliances to 10 - 11. Smaller spaces are easier to defend but not as larger player pool to draw from. also the more alliances the more statistical likelyhood of friction. Now what if there are more splits. This is the point im trying to get across if you follow me.... Not sure I do myself after reading this again Err, look up recent events. That should tell enough. Only option G/IRON has at the moment is to either (prepare to) attack us (BoB) or find more allies. Ofcourse they can also wait for us to attack them.
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.01.10 18:34:00 - [33] Ohnoes, not the South vs. North bullcrap again It makes the game so ultra boring now, a stalemate on all fronts. Neither side is totally united, nor does one pwn the other totally. Basically its 100+ jumps ftl. I really dont know why this south/north-mentality still exists, its soooo lastyear... -G- Pink Power Darko1107 > i'd rather be fat tbh :P
RacerX1	Posted - 2006.01.10 18:43:00 - [34] a little clarification for this FIX vs the world crap...Asuya, Exile, Arcane Industries and a couple other friends have been roaming the Catch pipe now since August..FIX has a +2.5 standing with us since they are old friends, but we have been shooting anyone and everyone that isn't blue to us since then, to say we are doing this only to help FIX is a huge misconception, this is what we have been and will continue doing with our time, leave us out of your discussion about allies, cause that is something we def. aren't...were just here to have fun and fight...and we DO NOT FLY IN GANG WITH FIX..ffs...
Orc A	Posted - 2006.01.10 18:55:00 - [35] Lol. next your gonna say you dont NPC in querious either. Lol.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.01.10 19:09:00 - [36] Originally by: Orc A Lol. next your gonna say you dont NPC in querious either. Lol. actually after one or two incidents that happened due to fix maintaining different standings, it was agreed that we shouldn't (and we don't) fly mixed gangs with non-fix anymore. "the trio" have been shooting up SA for quite a few months before fix set you to 0.0. Just because you've now decided to engage us fully and asuya are still shooting you doesn't mean they are helping us to defend our space, not directly at any rate.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.01.10 19:16:00 - [37] Originally by: Orc A Lol. next your gonna say you dont NPC in querious either. Lol. So let me get this straight: Any corporation that NPC's in the regions that stain Alliance claim and / or control that shoot at BoB should be considered representatives of the Stain Alliance and we should react to that accordingly? No? Didn't think so. Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
Tadis	Posted - 2006.01.10 19:25:00 - [38] Edited by: Tadis on 10/01/2006 19:25:09 Originally by: Dianabolic So let me get this straight: Any corporation that NPC's in the regions that stain Alliance claim and / or control that shoot at BoB should be considered representatives of the Stain Alliance and we should react to that accordingly? No? Didn't think so. The word for that post would be "Owned" :) Orc A, act the diplomat. It is your position afterall. Not "flamer of those we cant let our F1, F2, F3 speak for ourselves against"
dantes inferno	Posted - 2006.01.10 19:33:00 - [39] personaly i hate this north vs south stuff. why travel 50 jumps to shoot some one im only shooting because their a northen alliance..when i can travel 10 jumps to shoot people i dont like? it makes no sence _____ "When mothers warned their children that the monster would get them, that monster was me. I was the nightmare that kept
whisk	Posted - 2006.01.10 19:36:00 - [40] Edited by: whisk on 10/01/2006 19:36:57 double post
whisk	Posted - 2006.01.10 19:36:00 - [41] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Mystic Mansions Originally by: Ramuh Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever. The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm. FIX - SA/Huzzah? Correction. It's FIX vs SA/Huzzah/Kaos/Nova/IMP and a few others SA enlisted help from. Actually ASUYA, Exile and so on are fighting right alongside FIX vs SA + Huzzah + Kaos. But to be honest it's everyone in Providence, Catch and Querlilous fighting lag, hope this will change with the upcoming fixes. But having a nice alliance of alliances working together is good fun and bodes well for the future. If thats why you think Exile are killing you guys right now, you're mistaken. Yes we are friendly with FIX, but never have FIX asked us to to go and kill you guys. We are simply killing you guys becuase we are having fun doing it.
Fredbob	Posted - 2006.01.10 20:21:00 - [42] Eheh, keep on topic guys, /slap . I agree, North vs South has a nice ring to it, but 100j to fight is just too far - it's just a shame that the fights that have been going on in the South (and presumably North too?) are Everyone VS Lag where few actually enjoy it ___________ ~Fredbob~
Bedrock	Posted - 2006.01.10 20:25:00 - [43] Originally by: aeti I think its more like "wait till the servers are fixed" because otherwise both sides just die a pointless laggy death what he said. first of all, who's bright idea was it to come up with the whole "North vs. South" agenda anyway? It really makes no sense in having a full out war of a lower and upper universe war if normal alliance vs. alliance lags the hell out of everything.... and people are talking region's vs. region's? Only reason its not happening is because this game isn't designed for that kind of battlefront yet. So what do some alliance's do? rage their war elsewhere. Besides, there is so much bad blood in the south it would almost be impossible to unify.... but my main question is, why would we want to unify it? I never understood it from the start, and I doubt I ever will. lag = u lose.
Baraccas	Posted - 2006.01.10 20:44:00 - [44] north vs south is retarded, why nap with your neighbour and fly 100 jumps to fight. It is horrible to fly around all day and only see blue ships.
Baraccas	Posted - 2006.01.10 20:44:00 - [45] north vs south is retarded, why nap with your neighbour and fly 100 jumps to fight. It is horrible to fly around all day and only see blue ships.
Zhon	Posted - 2006.01.10 21:13:00 - [46] Hoenestly right now with the way things area War North vs South is rather unrealistic in any mass exodus. As as stated the south is fractured with many alliances fighting. There are not enough willing to travel the long distance to the north to wage war. Even if there were we would crash the server nodes and CCP woudl be replacing more ship due to lag than we could kill. THe concept is fun, but realistically right now not obtainable. What you will see though is this "i dont want to fly 100 jumps to fight in the north" attitude change. Well boys and girls soon enough this will not be an issue. With jumps clones now ingame and the capital ships being deployed into alliance and fleet battle, 100 jumps wars are no longer going to be an issue. You just set a jump clone to your friendly everyday motehrship and where ever it goes you can go. The new capital ships: carriers, motherships, and titans are going to allow for these huge mobile wars to take place. You will find your self in southern eve one min then in nothern eve the next. Until the south is more unified and stable, until these lagfest fleet battles are gone, and until the capital ships are of greater quatity the large scale war "North vs. South" just isnt going to happen. Make no mistake one day it will thought ... hehe
corporal hicks	Posted - 2006.01.10 22:00:00 - [47] North V south sucks tbh, if there was faster ways to travel to the area's then fine it might be fun but until CCP enable someone to capture territory properly IE deploy gate guns and all thats stuff it just wont happen. As regards what we are doing...We are fighting the lag like everyone else and its winning as normal " Stay Frosty "
Darpz	Posted - 2006.01.10 22:02:00 - [48] the south needs to finish fighting it out and let the old disuptes finally be settled then the south will be scary to deal with. things like the SA vs Fix thing will never be over till one of the sides dies, since niether side will ever trust the other. Originally by: TomB Originally by: Darpz Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi CCP will nerf this probably, but hey, worth a try so your saying I should of kept my mouth shut? Yup.
USN CVN72	Posted - 2006.01.10 22:13:00 - [49] Ok folks im going to sum up this thread - simple Game sucks big time without targets. who gives a crap who is in what alliance or Merc corp or north or south. Lets all just pvp kill or be killed and try to enjoy the game like it was ment to be!!! If CCP will fix the LAG Monster than maybe just maybe we can get back to claiming space and trying to break down alliance claimed space. Till then lets just kill or be killed and go after all the carebears npcing or mining or hauling hehehe.... hehe USN
Border201	Posted - 2006.01.10 23:32:00 - [50] Originally by: USN CVN72 Ok folks im going to sum up this thread - simple Game sucks big time without targets. who gives a crap who is in what alliance or Merc corp or north or south. Lets all just pvp kill or be killed and try to enjoy the game like it was ment to be!!! If CCP will fix the LAG Monster than maybe just maybe we can get back to claiming space and trying to break down alliance claimed space. Till then lets just kill or be killed and go after all the carebears npcing or mining or hauling hehehe.... hehe USN I say AMEN to that minus the whole going after carebears thing. Thats kinda the mark of the beast Originally by: corporal hicks Internet: where men are men, women are men and kids are cops
HatePeace LoveWar	Posted - 2006.01.11 01:31:00 - [51] Originally by: thoth foc Edited by: thoth foc on 10/01/2006 17:59:47 Originally by: BOOFER By George I think hes got it no tbh.. i'm getting more lost each post not very hard for u to get lost tbh. :P
Tadis	Posted - 2006.01.11 03:51:00 - [52] Agree with Zhon. Once the lag is removed, and maybe some simple tweaks to the jump clone factor combining with motherships, and a determind alliance can wage war across the north v south border. But yes its a lot of effort, which most alliances prob wont want to concern themselves with. In meantime it will take those with force and stability to unite those without, if they see the benefits of it. While those with individual disputes can wage their wars against each other, closer to home than north/south wars.
Liet Traep	Posted - 2006.01.11 04:13:00 - [53] The main reason the North seems so unified is to self interest. We have enemies in common. Virtually every Northern alliance dislikes .5, ASCN and Bob. Xelas alliance was kicked out of the north for being too friendly with Bob. This all predates the SA/SE civil war caused Boofer believes all the bad blood. Trust me while the Stain civil war made all the forum posts no one up here was quaking in their booties worrying about stain coming north. Boofer being an integral part of Stain for so long sees things from his perspective. I think the south has problems because of boredom. There weren't any big wars going on down south so you guys started shooting each other instead. Up here we skirmish with .5 every day. Bob is in Syndicate, Outer Ring and Pure Blind. The Northern Alliances have external threats in our face every day. And there'll be some level of cooperation amongst all the powers of the north I think until these threats fade. Anyway my two cents. And I didn't even call ASCN traitors once! I'm so proud of myself.
BOOFER	Posted - 2006.01.11 07:03:00 - [54] Originally by: Liet Traep The main reason the North seems so unified is to self interest. We have enemies in common. Virtually every Northern alliance dislikes .5, ASCN and Bob. Xelas alliance was kicked out of the north for being too friendly with Bob. This all predates the SA/SE civil war caused Boofer believes all the bad blood. Trust me while the Stain civil war made all the forum posts no one up here was quaking in their booties worrying about stain coming north. Boofer being an integral part of Stain for so long sees things from his perspective. I think the south has problems because of boredom. There weren't any big wars going on down south so you guys started shooting each other instead. Up here we skirmish with .5 every day. Bob is in Syndicate, Outer Ring and Pure Blind. The Northern Alliances have external threats in our face every day. And there'll be some level of cooperation amongst all the powers of the north I think until these threats fade. Anyway my two cents. And I didn't even call ASCN traitors once! I'm so proud of myself. I agree in part. The North most definatly has unified due to common enemies. The bad blood I meantioned however... I was refering to the current situation in the South and not Im afraid the stabilisation of the North. I have to agree that my main focus has always been toward the Stain/FIX/ASCN areas as that is my old stomping ground. As for the North Vs South thing I agree it is a pain in the arse to go all that way but the way it is going its coming to the Souths doorstep as we speak so wheter wanted or no that war is ongoing. _______________________________________________ Boofer CEO New sig coming soon..... (Sorry theBold :P)
Mindlles	Posted - 2006.01.11 07:20:00 - [55] Originally by: Orc A Lol. next your gonna say you dont NPC in querious either. Lol. Do belive we have players npc hunting in Q. Orc A. And they do stay online. U also prolly noticed that we havent come down to either h74 or 9cg or Fat to help fix. As they deal with u guys perfectly by them self. And when we have killed some off u dear pilots in a2- or 3-f its becouse catch "hed - u-q" is totaly empty. And u have been not to far away. For us to l00t u. Since we left fix, we have never botherd teaming up with annyone exept ourself. Tho i belive we had fix in same system a couple times. =). Also that during G-Iron and co where shooting u. We still shoot them as much. We cant careless about u and what big thingys u guys got going on the alliance part. We respect our blue, fix and bob. The rest we shoot. Or get shoot by. So if we are helping fix now becouse we doing someting we been doing for a couple times sure thingy if u want to think so. And hey, FIX ftw.=) _____________________________________________ http://triad.eve-killboard.net/ <- Asuyas kills since 2005-08 =)
Orc A	Posted - 2006.01.11 07:25:00 - [56] Lets please not turn that into another SA/Fix/friends thread. @ Boofer - Much has changed while you were gone. After the SA/SE split, some chose to keep the bad blood bad, and some had the honour of regaining lost friends, and some had the delight to find thier way back home. Naturally, some chose to stay in league with the enemies, which is no suprise to me, as those specific ones are the ones who always had a covert selfish goal. My 2 cents.
Mindlles	Posted - 2006.01.11 07:28:00 - [57] Edited by: Mindlles on 11/01/2006 07:31:37 AAa learn not to flame,,, Hf everybody =) _____________________________________________ http://triad.eve-killboard.net/ <- Asuyas kills since 2005-08 =)
Sceartan	Posted - 2006.01.11 07:31:00 - [58] I firmly believe it's because the South has had an average age increase across the board (please, North entitites don't regard this as a smack that you guys are all children, it's not.. so hear me out). Basically the South has been going flat out since Eve started. In the passing years, its not just Eve that has grown older, it's the player base as well. Alot of our members are "old school" players that are now finishing uni, starting families, other adult-type-growing-up-experiences. What this means is that none of us can be arsed to spend hours in game travelling to the North because any second now, the wife will storm in and have a shouting match about "that bloody game". So the simple solution to satisfy the thirsty blood hungry masses? Shoot thy neighbour!
whisk	Posted - 2006.01.11 07:41:00 - [59] Originally by: Orc A Lets please not turn that into another SA/Fix/friends thread. If you didn't want another FIX/SA thread mr orc a super stain diplomat, then why bring up Originally by: Orc A Lol. next your gonna say you dont NPC in querious either. Lol. earlier on in the post?
EL Scorpio	Posted - 2006.01.11 07:51:00 - [60] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Orc A Lol. next your gonna say you dont NPC in querious either. Lol. So let me get this straight: Any corporation that NPC's in the regions that stain Alliance claim and / or control that shoot at BoB should be considered representatives of the Stain Alliance and we should react to that accordingly? No? Didn't think so. if stain alliance was sanshas nation and could ctrl who docks and who doesnt, yes. but then again that isnt the case. stain region is npc region, much like curse, fountain, and part of delve.
Waut	Posted - 2006.01.11 09:39:00 - [61] Originally by: Imode Edited by: Imode on 10/01/2006 17:26:47 Originally by: maxsuicide1 dont complain that everyone is gangbanging u fix, KAOS = SA but with a different name, they would of been sa had they not fallen out with the rest lol. So really its nothing to whine about. Huzzah...well..they arent a major alliance, so u shouldnt whine about them either, they just dipping their toes into the major stuff atm. and Godo for them Fix ally corps have been pirating the corridor of catch for months, they now fight on ur side. you have no excuse. You misunderstand. There's no complaints here, Max. I love the new SA/KAOS/HF group. They come ready to kill and ready to die. I haven't once seen them doing anything like a mass logoff or run to the hills like girls, regardless of whether they're in a significantly outnumbered force or not. A few just safespot to infinity, but that's what self-preservation will do to you. To be honest, this is such a refreshing change from the run-of-the-mill 'log and gank' and 'internal sabotage' merc/pirate/alliance entities that we have faced recently. No more of this travelling 13 jumps only to watch the whole right side of your screen fill w/ people logging off. True that. They changed a lot since the previous war Plan for galaxy domination: Step 1. Steal lots of underpants Step 2. ... Step 3. Get declared as Eve Emperor
Zhon	Posted - 2006.01.11 11:53:00 - [62] Originally by: EL Scorpio Edited by: EL Scorpio on 11/01/2006 07:58:07 Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Orc A Lol. next your gonna say you dont NPC in querious either. Lol. So let me get this straight: Any corporation that NPC's in the regions that stain Alliance claim and / or control that shoot at BoB should be considered representatives of the Stain Alliance and we should react to that accordingly? No? Didn't think so. if stain alliance was sanshas nation and could ctrl who docks and who doesnt, yes. but then again that isnt the case. stain region is npc region, much like curse, fountain, and part of delve, venal. And on topic, south was working its way towards stability of some sort with G/iron pulling out from their assault, when fix decided to make sa kos, and break the nap between the 2, how that is working out for the involved entities, i wont comment on. /shrug "Reality sucks lets make something up" - SA
Darcuese	Posted - 2006.01.11 11:56:00 - [63] South-North is history. CA is a history. Why does ppl wish for past to become present? Is it because they are lazzy? Cant they make their EVE life interesting by them self instead of asking for someone pull those days for them? Anyone can find ppl who share same goals, talk to them, make new corp / alliance if you want and do whatever you want to do to have things the way you want them. If you find problems, deal with them or die. Plenty of conflicts currently...would be even more if fleet fights could be enable by lag. Some ppl like to fight and kill those that seem anoying to them. Others like diplomacy or politics and talks behind back so in the end they feel superior for trick they pull out on their opponents or "friends". Its up to each and every one to find similar mind and push things togather untill their paths split. And one more thing....since im allready in this thread and not some other , I will say this.....carebears are true evil in EVE, they pretend to be part of community/corp/alliance pretending to share global goal...but in the and all they want is to take care of their own a.s.s. Many more PvP type of players provide sacrifices for their team mates and their corps then all those industrial/NPC creatures there...I said it [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]"I know a brother of Ronaldhino called Rethardihno, and his only 5 jumps away from me in space and usually few posts above me".
krendos	Posted - 2006.01.11 12:05:00 - [64] Originally by: Sceartan Basically the South has been going flat out since Eve started. In the passing years, its not just Eve that has grown older, it's the player base as well. Alot of our members are "old school" players that are now finishing uni, starting families, other adult-type-growing-up-experiences. What this means is that none of us can be arsed to spend hours in game travelling to the North because any second now, the wife will storm in and have a shouting match about "that bloody game". So the simple solution to satisfy the thirsty blood hungry masses? Shoot thy neighbour! QFT The only thing I fear THE WIFE
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.01.11 12:13:00 - [65] Originally by: Darcuese And one more thing....since im allready in this thread and not some other , I will say this.....carebears are true evil in EVE, they pretend to be part of community/corp/alliance pretending to share global goal...but in the and all they want is to take care of their own a.s.s. Many more PvP type of players provide sacrifices for their team mates and their corps then all those industrial/NPC creatures there...I said it QFT, although I don't brand industrialists as carebears as someone mining ice in barge under constant threat to get fuel for POS in order to ease the logistical load is just as valuable as someone in ship in a gang ready to fight. What the carebears don't realise is that working as a team can give one some of the most rewarding experiences the game has to offer. ISK is just a means to an ends. I think the south is going through a shakedown period at the moment and what will emerge will be the stronger for it. Personally I know Huzzah will be the better for it's current experiences regardless of the outcome. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Fojar	Posted - 2006.01.11 12:28:00 - [66] Edited by: Fojar on 11/01/2006 12:29:13 Pfft our war is better than yours Don't speak Russian.....F1, F2, F3, F4, F5 etc.
DoctorGonzo	Posted - 2006.01.11 12:31:00 - [67] Originally by: Sceartan I firmly believe it's because the South has had an average age increase across the board (please, North entitites don't regard this as a smack that you guys are all children, it's not.. so hear me out). Basically the South has been going flat out since Eve started. In the passing years, its not just Eve that has grown older, it's the player base as well. Alot of our members are "old school" players that are now finishing uni, starting families, other adult-type-growing-up-experiences. What this means is that none of us can be arsed to spend hours in game travelling to the North because any second now, the wife will storm in and have a shouting match about "that bloody game". So the simple solution to satisfy the thirsty blood hungry masses? Shoot thy neighbour! That's very true and insightfull. My misses said if she ever found out where the cluster was in London she would have it blown up! Get Your BoB Protection Kit Here
Dawn Princess	Posted - 2006.01.11 12:40:00 - [68] Originally by: Darcuese Many more PvP type of players provide sacrifices for their team mates and their corps then all those industrial/NPC creatures there...I said it I would have to disagree with this, at least as regards industrial players. PVP is the most fun aspect of the game. What would most people rather do with their time, mine or go shoot things? PVPers are not sacrificing anything, they are getting the most enjoyment out of the game that they can and they rely upon the industrial side of their corp or alliance to get the isk/minerals in to keep them stocked in ammo and ships. A pvper would be making a sacrifice for his/her corp if they stopped chasing around after enemies and sat in a roid field all night tanknig a spawn for a mining op.
Darcuese	Posted - 2006.01.11 12:43:00 - [69] Edited by: Darcuese on 11/01/2006 12:46:36 lol...I just use one post instead of 2.(cause of that wolfgang thread) So if I posted something that have nothing with this subject, no need for continuing arguing purpose of roles in game...especialy when it was more intended as a joke (with bit of reality) then the argument for discussion [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]"I know a brother of Ronaldhino called Rethardihno, and his only 5 jumps away from me in space and usually few posts above me".
Random	Posted - 2006.01.11 13:01:00 - [70] Yahh its hard to se once hardcore pvp'ers going from "OMGBBQYARR kill them all" to "OMGBBQYARR my baby has a bacon in its pants, bbl." @ the FIX/Friends vs SA/Friends, tis simple. SA had friends who shoot at fix, Fix had friends who shoot at SA. Maby main difrence is that FIX friends shoved them self closer to SA home than our SA frineds. (duno dun care) And ive ony once seen FIX friendly corp deeper than 9cg (and that was cuz he was runing from mehh hehe). @ N vs S, the problem was simply, North was alredy defending when it started, south had to try to convince the members why to go up north. Well FIX didnt bother, and RA are stuborn, so well **** hapens i guess. Then came G/Iron and spanked us real good. hihihi
FrioBebe	Posted - 2006.01.11 14:19:00 - [71] Originally by: DoctorGonzo That's very true and insightfull. My misses said if she ever found out where the cluster was in London she would have it blown up! Do i see a Wives4Justice movement rising? Next thing is they invade our forum and we get nicks like FrioBebes GF and posts like: Dear boyfriend, i wish you spend as much time with me as you do in game. I know you didnt work overtime yesterday cause you were logged on all evening.
Border201	Posted - 2006.01.11 17:32:00 - [72] Originally by: FrioBebe Originally by: DoctorGonzo That's very true and insightfull. My misses said if she ever found out where the cluster was in London she would have it blown up! Do i see a Wives4Justice movement rising? Next thing is they invade our forum and we get nicks like FrioBebes GF and posts like: Dear boyfriend, i wish you spend as much time with me as you do in game. I know you didnt work overtime yesterday cause you were logged on all evening. Thats why I'm glad I'm in college and single Originally by: corporal hicks Internet: where men are men, women are men and kids are cops
Lunas Feelgood	Posted - 2006.01.11 18:16:00 - [73] Originally by: Dawn Princess Originally by: Darcuese Many more PvP type of players provide sacrifices for their team mates and their corps then all those industrial/NPC creatures there...I said it I would have to disagree with this, at least as regards industrial players. PVP is the most fun aspect of the game. What would most people rather do with their time, mine or go shoot things? PVPers are not sacrificing anything, they are getting the most enjoyment out of the game that they can and they rely upon the industrial side of their corp or alliance to get the isk/minerals in to keep them stocked in ammo and ships. A pvper would be making a sacrifice for his/her corp if they stopped chasing around after enemies and sat in a roid field all night tanknig a spawn for a mining op. LMAO, only some1 from ASCN will post this nonsence.
Khaerie	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:09:00 - [74] Originally by: whisk Originally by: Orc A Lets please not turn that into another SA/Fix/friends thread. If you didn't want another FIX/SA thread mr orc a super stain diplomat, then why bring up Originally by: Orc A Lol. next your gonna say you dont NPC in querious either. Lol. earlier on in the post? Whisk, this only proves that he makes the perfect diplomat for the new Stain Alliance.
Guizzy	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:39:00 - [75] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Dawn Princess A pvper would be making a sacrifice for his/her corp if they stopped chasing around after enemies and sat in a roid field all night tanknig a spawn for a mining op. LMAO, only some1 from ASCN will post this nonsence. Actually, this was one of the most enlightened I've read on these forums. It's absolutely true that "helping" a mate by doing PvP is hardly a sacrifice for a PvPer; it's exactly doing what they enjoy. However, an industrial, a miner or a hauler putting his ships and accomplishments at risk because his Corp declares an Empire war is a large sacrifice.
xenorx	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:52:00 - [76] Originally by: krendos Originally by: Sceartan Basically the South has been going flat out since Eve started. In the passing years, its not just Eve that has grown older, it's the player base as well. Alot of our members are "old school" players that are now finishing uni, starting families, other adult-type-growing-up-experiences. What this means is that none of us can be arsed to spend hours in game travelling to the North because any second now, the wife will storm in and have a shouting match about "that bloody game". So the simple solution to satisfy the thirsty blood hungry masses? Shoot thy neighbour! QFT The only thing I fear THE WIFE Yes I think that you have identified the greatest enemy in EVE. If THE WIFE alliance ever unleashes thier super weapon of no more poon upon us, not even the Jove could save us. Quote: Oh, I forgot to mention that Exile has a grand total of 14 members. Well worth mentioning in an alliance war.. I'm sure you will agree. Well I for one am flattered that he felt the need to mention us. While it is true we are not really involved in the war between SA/Fix. It shows that we have inflicted enough damage to be respected.
Lunas Feelgood	Posted - 2006.01.11 20:11:00 - [77] Originally by: Guizzy Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Dawn Princess A pvper would be making a sacrifice for his/her corp if they stopped chasing around after enemies and sat in a roid field all night tanknig a spawn for a mining op. LMAO, only some1 from ASCN will post this nonsence. Actually, this was one of the most enlightened I've read on these forums. It's absolutely true that "helping" a mate by doing PvP is hardly a sacrifice for a PvPer; it's exactly doing what they enjoy. However, an industrial, a miner or a hauler putting his ships and accomplishments at risk because his Corp declares an Empire war is a large sacrifice. What a bunch of crap most pvp¦ers i know is very poor compared to the guys who just npc all day or mine.. It has allways been like this the pvp¦ers is getting broke the rich miners just keep getting rich and you say they have a large sacrifice becuase they need to get in a combat ship and fight for there corp instead of just getting rich?? The fact is that is the pvp¦ers who allways fight for there corp alliance even tough they cant really afford it and once in a while the industrialist come to help, they lose a few bs goes back to there mining becuase OMG im down to 5billion
Crellion	Posted - 2006.01.11 20:24:00 - [78] Originally by: Baraccas north vs south is retarded, why nap with your neighbour and fly 100 jumps to fight. It is horrible to fly around all day and only see blue ships. QFT North v South is fine as a conceipt and can provide major fun but its like a season thing. In the meantime you come back from work you get into a cruiser or something and look around for a 1v1 1v2 thing and all space around you is blue other than the brave tristans in the empire entry system... nah thats unacceptable... I thank RA for being arrogant and thus providing close by targets. @ Lunas' post above me: No usually they dont lose many BS. They lose the one they have budgeted for (one they used their own mins to built) and then they come back to the fleet with a merlin that has no mwd web scram because: "this here baby is built for gank and tank man" @ lag comments: nah there is no lag in big fights in eve, this is only a problem faced by select RA and RAT pilots and then only because -V- are haxorz
Border201	Posted - 2006.01.11 21:45:00 - [79] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Guizzy Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Dawn Princess A pvper would be making a sacrifice for his/her corp if they stopped chasing around after enemies and sat in a roid field all night tanknig a spawn for a mining op. LMAO, only some1 from ASCN will post this nonsence. Actually, this was one of the most enlightened I've read on these forums. It's absolutely true that "helping" a mate by doing PvP is hardly a sacrifice for a PvPer; it's exactly doing what they enjoy. However, an industrial, a miner or a hauler putting his ships and accomplishments at risk because his Corp declares an Empire war is a large sacrifice. What a bunch of crap most pvp¦ers i know is very poor compared to the guys who just npc all day or mine.. It has allways been like this the pvp¦ers is getting broke the rich miners just keep getting rich and you say they have a large sacrifice becuase they need to get in a combat ship and fight for there corp instead of just getting rich?? The fact is that is the pvp¦ers who allways fight for there corp alliance even tough they cant really afford it and once in a while the industrialist come to help, they lose a few bs goes back to there mining becuase OMG im down to 5billion Ok I think your missing what the term sacrifice is. A sacrifice isn't doing something that you enjoy when it also happens to coinside with the group's ideals. A sacrifice is doing something you don't enjoy to further the group's ideals. An example an indy guy PvPing. and a PvPer mining. Secondly ofc PvP'ers aren't going to be the richest players in game. This is for one PAINFULLY obvious reason your trying to kill each other's ships and that one underlying fact means that PvP'ers will lose lots of isk. While the indy person won't (unless their stupid and sell at a loss continually) Originally by: corporal hicks Internet: where men are men, women are men and kids are cops
Masu'di	Posted - 2006.01.11 22:31:00 - [80] Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever. The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm. Sounds to me like the ones fighting RA would be the "unstable" ones then. Perhaps you meant "The only "unstable" factors are the southern entities, who are fighting RA at the moment."? POS Drug Refinery
Gort	Posted - 2006.01.11 23:40:00 - [81] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Guizzy Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Dawn Princess A pvper would be making a sacrifice for his/her corp if they stopped chasing around after enemies and sat in a roid field all night tanknig a spawn for a mining op. LMAO, only some1 from ASCN will post this nonsence. Actually, this was one of the most enlightened I've read on these forums. It's absolutely true that "helping" a mate by doing PvP is hardly a sacrifice for a PvPer; it's exactly doing what they enjoy. However, an industrial, a miner or a hauler putting his ships and accomplishments at risk because his Corp declares an Empire war is a large sacrifice. What a bunch of crap most pvp¦ers i know is very poor compared to the guys who just npc all day or mine.. It has allways been like this the pvp¦ers is getting broke the rich miners just keep getting rich and you say they have a large sacrifice becuase they need to get in a combat ship and fight for there corp instead of just getting rich?? The fact is that is the pvp¦ers who allways fight for there corp alliance even tough they cant really afford it and once in a while the industrialist come to help, they lose a few bs goes back to there mining becuase OMG im down to 5billion Lunas, Get a grip. It's a game. No one is forcing either type of player to do what they do against their will. They both do it because it's what they like to do. If PvPers wanted more isk, they would go make it. If miners wanted more shooting, they would go do it. The truth is, PvPers prefer to shoot & miners prefer to burn roids. Different strokes for different folks. It's childish for either side to bad mouth the other; but then again, boredom brings these things out and it does spice up the forums. Regards, Gort Makeup artist for the dead
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2006.01.12 03:08:00 - [82] Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 12/01/2006 03:08:19 Eventually every smart PvP'er will realize he needs a stable income, hence second chars or accounts But why a more stabele south, as it is, there are plenty of targets, which is fun for all
Drew Kelly	Posted - 2006.01.12 03:33:00 - [83] Edited by: Drew Kelly on 12/01/2006 03:33:34 Fighting in the south is awesome at the moment. Although I do not have enough time during the weekdays to pvp the weekends are fun. The best part is all the fights are within 10 jumps of where I work out of. Can't beat that really.....well.....except for the lag which beats the hell out of everything in the game...
Nebuli	Posted - 2006.01.12 03:36:00 - [84] Originally by: Masu'di Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever. The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm. Sounds to me like the ones fighting RA would be the "unstable" ones then. Perhaps you meant "The only "unstable" factors are the southern entities, who are fighting RA at the moment."? Think you misunderstand tbh, most southern alliances are friendly to one another, all except RA who dont show any consideration for anyone elses borders, randomly enter other alliances space and gank them there and refuse any kinda of talks with total arrogance, they have themselves seperated themselves from everyone else, hence why it is they who are the unstable factor, not everyone else.
Xantina	Posted - 2006.01.12 11:53:00 - [85] Originally by: EL Scorpio And on topic, south was working its way towards stability of some sort with G/iron pulling out from their assault, when fix decided to make sa kos, and break the nap between the 2, how that is working out for the involved entities, i wont comment on. Just for the records let me clarify the course of events so there's not more confusion about this "kos" thing: A CEO of a fix corp decided it would be fun to shoot alliance members and is turned out, with many of his corp not being happy with such a behaviour. The same turncoat is sheltered by an SA corp, some trespassing into fix territory and some shooting takes place, SA standing is set to neutral (0.0) by fix. SA decides to go to war, sets fix to -10 and begins to shoot fixians - that includes SA main diplomat Orc A who apparently decided that gun boat diplomacy was diplomacy as well. After approximately one week fix sets SA to kos (-10). Bottomline it doesn't matter tho, but let's just keep the facts straight mmmkay ?
FILFIUS	Posted - 2006.01.12 11:54:00 - [86] I think the Northern Alliances are a friendly bunch. We let atuk occupy a system because we are that friendly. The only corp you want to watch out for are them bad ass Rage of Angels. FILFIUS RAGE OF ANGELS F-E
Darcuese	Posted - 2006.01.12 12:02:00 - [87] Arhh....only history that will become present or future will be next pair of shoes I buy in shop. I heard about prophecy "The One" (dont know real name) will be born from ashes of an old empire (not forsaken) and will gather and take forces on path of death and destruction [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]"I know a brother of Ronaldhino called Rethardihno, and his only 5 jumps away from me in space and usually few posts above me".
Grissem	Posted - 2006.01.12 12:37:00 - [88] Originally by: Darcuese Arhh....only history that will become present or future will be next pair of shoes I buy in shop. I heard about prophecy "The One" (dont know real name) will be born from ashes of an old empire (not forsaken) and will gather and take forces on path of death and destruction --------------
sallyr	Posted - 2006.01.12 13:29:00 - [89] Originally by: Nebuli Originally by: Masu'di Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever. The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm. Sounds to me like the ones fighting RA would be the "unstable" ones then. Perhaps you meant "The only "unstable" factors are the southern entities, who are fighting RA at the moment."? Think you misunderstand tbh, most southern alliances are friendly to one another, all except RA who dont show any consideration for anyone elses borders, randomly enter other alliances space and gank them there and refuse any kinda of talks with total arrogance, they have themselves seperated themselves from everyone else, hence why it is they who are the unstable factor, not everyone else. i find that hard to believe, but ether way RA is a very stable alliance as a whole. but the fact that there are so many russian members i feel does cause a few problems. i would like to say oh well they didnt understand and its all there fault. Thats just not true tho, it just causes complications in the way that our message or peace and universal love often gets confused by our tech 2 tachions hitting your pod for 1337.3 love tokens. ether way i wish both sides luck, however i wish my side more luck then your side cos we is the prozors WARNING- THIS PERSONS VIEWS OR OPINIONS DO NOT REPROSENT THE STANDING OF RA AND WE WOULD ADVISE YOU TO DISREGARD COMPLEATLY IGNORE OR SIMPLY KICK IN THE NUTS THE PERSON WHOS OPINION IT IS. THANK YOU (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
Xaarist	Posted - 2006.01.12 14:17:00 - [90] you find it hard to believe that RA, being asked for naps (the stabilizing thing and all) refused to accept them if the other party would not adapt to their standings and go to war with it's old friends? no, even if they did that multiple times? such a behaviour of "omg - we are teh uber, adapt or die" to cause aversion within other alliances that have the thing called pride, too, is that hard to believe to you, too? well, the result is here, all of those "other alliances" do have something in common now - they dislike RA badly not for what they have done in fights or anything related, but what they have done in politics. the only stable thing in the southeast ist that there is a war going on - RA against the rest in the southeast. and they got into that situation on their own. ---------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is an alien dressed as Bunny to secretly gain world domination.
Coug	Posted - 2006.01.12 14:33:00 - [91] You cannot force a "themed" war. You cannot forcefully try to recreate past glories, and the mere effort of trying dooms the venture to failure. The 2nd Great Northern War will not be known as such till well after it has reached it's climax, and any effort to recreate it forcefully will only undermine the effort. Thus this whole North versus South thing is meaningless. ~C~
Liet Traep	Posted - 2006.01.12 16:32:00 - [92] Edited by: Liet Traep on 12/01/2006 16:32:42 Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Guizzy Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Dawn Princess A pvper would be making a sacrifice for his/her corp if they stopped chasing around after enemies and sat in a roid field all night tanknig a spawn for a mining op. LMAO, only some1 from ASCN will post this nonsence. Actually, this was one of the most enlightened I've read on these forums. It's absolutely true that "helping" a mate by doing PvP is hardly a sacrifice for a PvPer; it's exactly doing what they enjoy. However, an industrial, a miner or a hauler putting his ships and accomplishments at risk because his Corp declares an Empire war is a large sacrifice. What a bunch of crap most pvp¦ers i know is very poor compared to the guys who just npc all day or mine.. It has allways been like this the pvp¦ers is getting broke the rich miners just keep getting rich and you say they have a large sacrifice becuase they need to get in a combat ship and fight for there corp instead of just getting rich?? The fact is that is the pvp¦ers who allways fight for there corp alliance even tough they cant really afford it and once in a while the industrialist come to help, they lose a few bs goes back to there mining becuase OMG im down to 5billion QFT. All the pvp'ers I know are broke or have a huge industrial base to pay for their ships. And there's Cartiff but I won't even tell you what he stoops to for isk!
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.01.12 16:57:00 - [93] tbh, i think there is alot of pvpers out there that are far more creative than incompetent carebears. I know a handful of guys that are pvping 23/7 and probably have more isk than most ordinary carebears. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Soul Raven	Posted - 2006.01.12 21:03:00 - [94] Whisk! What are you doing........get your backside back in ROA As a wise man called Del Trotter once said " you know it makes sense"
Orc A	Posted - 2006.01.13 00:20:00 - [95] Who said there's anything wrong with flaming one person and giving a serious reply to another? Some people are dumb and some aren't, hence they deserve the appropriate answers.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.01.13 00:26:00 - [96] Originally by: Orc A Who said there's anything wrong with flaming one person and giving a serious reply to another? Some people are dumb and some aren't, hence they deserve the appropriate answers. Unfortunatly in this forum in particular, what is said by one person is considered to be reflective of their entire corp or alliance, depending on their position within it. Being the SA diplomat, you're going to get the full brunt of it :)
Kashre	Posted - 2006.01.13 06:06:00 - [97] There is 1 way to make a good N vs S war. CCP needs to add a small region with 1 conquerable station, good ore and npcs, and about 10 entry points from various 0.0 regions about the periphery of known space. Put everyone 20 jumps from each other instead of 50 and you'll get a lot more fights. +++ It's called "low security space" for a reason.
HellsRazor	Posted - 2006.01.13 08:53:00 - [98] SA will WIN- quote that
Dalilah	Posted - 2006.01.13 09:45:00 - [99] Originally by: HellsRazor SA will WIN- quote that Quoted for truth Ohhh... No tears, please. It's a waste of good suffering...
Dawn Princess	Posted - 2006.01.13 09:46:00 - [100] Originally by: Liet Traep Edited by: Liet Traep on 12/01/2006 16:32:42 Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Guizzy Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Dawn Princess A pvper would be making a sacrifice for his/her corp if they stopped chasing around after enemies and sat in a roid field all night tanknig a spawn for a mining op. LMAO, only some1 from ASCN will post this nonsence. Actually, this was one of the most enlightened I've read on these forums. It's absolutely true that "helping" a mate by doing PvP is hardly a sacrifice for a PvPer; it's exactly doing what they enjoy. However, an industrial, a miner or a hauler putting his ships and accomplishments at risk because his Corp declares an Empire war is a large sacrifice. What a bunch of crap most pvp¦ers i know is very poor compared to the guys who just npc all day or mine.. It has allways been like this the pvp¦ers is getting broke the rich miners just keep getting rich and you say they have a large sacrifice becuase they need to get in a combat ship and fight for there corp instead of just getting rich?? The fact is that is the pvp¦ers who allways fight for there corp alliance even tough they cant really afford it and once in a while the industrialist come to help, they lose a few bs goes back to there mining becuase OMG im down to 5billion QFT. All the pvp'ers I know are broke or have a huge industrial base to pay for their ships. And there's Cartiff but I won't even tell you what he stoops to for isk! I wasn't really saying that it was a sacrifice for a miner to get in a pvp ship to fight. What I was saying was that it is no sacrifice at all for a pvp to fight on behalf of his/her alliance because THAT IS WHAT PVPERS LIKE DOING. If they werent doing it on behalf of their alliance then they would be doing it for piracy or laughs. PVPERs are not sacrificing anything as they are doing exactly what it is that they like to do. This would be the same as an industrialist saying they are making sacrifices by building and production rather than pvping. No, they are doing what they want to do. I have no problem with people doing what they want, that after all i why they get involved, but I dont agree with the idea that pvpers are "sacrificing" themselves to help the industrialists or that this is some kind of chore for them.
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.01.13 10:39:00 - [101] Ppl should drop this macho nonsense about pvpers and industrialists alredy - I mean how macho can you be in a sci-fi online rpg anyway lol? - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.01.13 13:27:00 - [102] PVPers low on cash in an op when they could be out ratting getting their isk up or miners going for a lower profit ore / ice because the alliance needs their efforst are both sacrificing themselves for the greater good. To be honest they are equally valuable as pvpers win battles and industrialists make logistics happen. Often there is overlap especially in 0.0 as the carebears who want reward without risk tend to stay in empire and so pvpers can mine and build if needed and industrialists can jump in ships to fight. The cooperation and bonds between SA, Huzzah and KAOS is increasing all the time so it bodes well for that particular region of the south. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Grim Savage	Posted - 2006.01.13 14:32:00 - [103] Get over yourselfs. The north VS south war will come, and no alts can change that. 100 jumps? what are you guys sniffing? Last time I checked, there where jumpclones. They save your implants, and allow you to travel from an outpost in Fade, to an outhouse in esoteria, to an outhouse in catch. Have your corp buy ISS shares for 1 bisk, and you get yourself insta-clone-jumps from South to North. Once the titans go active, watch how 200 people's clones awaken on the far end of the universe. See how a chain of Cryosfields light up at covert POS's, and 30 dreads leave Great Wildlands for the troubled and much much wanted areas of ehh.. providence.. 100 jumps? That ain't a PvP problem at ALL. It is mainly a logistical problem, and that is mainly something like: how can I get 10 ceptorps up there ASAP? When BOB had the IRON outhouse, what do ya people think whould happen when BOB, KOS, SA, ASCN, LV, FIVE put in theire jump-clones there, and they had a clone-jump party? Or when G/Iron/Razor/NBSI starts a massive clone-jump into Oberon-prime station in Esoteria, where there are 500 ceptors / AF's / bombers / cruisers and 200 battleships just waiting for some real vacume around them hulls?? RANGE is not the limiting factor no more. LOGISTICS is. The winner, will be the once with the best logistics.
Kane Ululani	Posted - 2006.01.13 16:58:00 - [104] Originally by: Grim Savage ...what do ya people think whould happen ...starts a massive clone-jump.... The node would crash.
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.01.13 20:04:00 - [105] Originally by: Kane Ululani Originally by: Grim Savage ...what do ya people think whould happen ...starts a massive clone-jump.... The node would crash. aahHAhaHAhahAha QTF!!! - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
Kronarty	Posted - 2006.01.13 22:04:00 - [106] Edited by: Kronarty on 13/01/2006 22:05:43 Edited by: Kronarty on 13/01/2006 22:05:25 Originally by: Grim Savage Or when G/Iron/Razor/NBSI starts a massive clone-jump into Oberon-prime station in Esoteria, where there are 500 ceptors / AF's / bombers / cruisers and 200 battleships just waiting for some real vacume around them hulls?? Seeing how those alliances do NOT have clone-jump rights in our stations. Or offices. Or docking rights for that matter. Where exactly does your theory go?
M'Ar Duk	Posted - 2006.01.13 22:10:00 - [107] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig <snip> - I mean how macho can you be in a sci-fi online rpg anyway lol? Quoted because Gobby has never met a male of the human species. EVE players make Rambo look like Mr. Rogers when it comes to the machismo, PVPer or not. -------------------- [20:08:23] CapNMurphi > Who the hell is M'Ar Duk? [20:08:59] StormyWaters2021 > The sun god, who dwells inside me. [20:09:27] CapNMurphi > In front or in back?

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