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Alex Christensen	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:51:00 - [1] Hi I'm thinking of building a blasterthron out of my current megathron.. The only problem is that I have no idea of what kind of setup I shuold use.. i'm looking for a good PVP and PVE setup! -Basic/advanced tactics are welcome in this Topic Cheers
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:00:00 - [2] Edited by: Fi T''Zeh on 10/01/2006 16:04:07 PvP : First things first, your mid slots are basicly compulsory. 1 x MWD, 1 x web, 1 x scrambler/disruptor, 1 x Cap injector + 800's After that the fun begins, there are three main options, depending on how much tank or gank you want to fit. 1) Electron blasters (aka big girly guns) 7 electrons in the high slots and then a significant amount of tank in your low slots. This may be 3 hardeners and 2 large reps + dmg mods or fitting modules. 2) Ion blasters (still quite girly) Ions in the top and then a moderate tank i.e. 3 hardners and a large rep, maybe a plate also in the low slots. dmg mods or fitting mods in the bottom. 3) Neutron blasters (propper guns - and my personal favourite) Neutrons in the top and then, heh, the fun starts - fitting any kind of decent tank is tricky at this point especially with tech 2 blasters. a 3% cpu implant helps, as do faction / named hardeners, but unless you want to pack out the rest of your lows with fitting modules things become quite tricky. My current favourite for gangs is to use no rep, 3 hardeners and a plate, and then insist my gang mates all fit remote reps to patch me up once i've murdered whatever it is we're shooting. This setup is no use for solo stuff because you can't repair between fights, unless you live in a system with lots of npc stations (hello delve) these are basic premises, there are variations, some people drop the 7th gun and fit a pair of NOS, but these also fit like crap with neutrons. top tips : Get good cap skills, get maxed fitting skills, and above all, when flying a blasterthron, HAVE NO FEAR. The pimp wagon (aka my vnidicator - the serpentis variant of the Megathron - 1 extra mid slot 1.4 x hitpoitns and nice MWD bonus) is currently fitted as follows. 7 x t2 neutrons 1 x Gist x-type mwd, domi web, domi disruptor, DB cap injector, Target painter 2 (tracking comp would be better but i don't have a pimp one that fits yet) 3 x shadow serp damage mods, 3 x darkblood hardeners (Thermal, Kinetic, Explosive), 1600m roll tungsten plate (why are there no faction ones =[[) That's a kinda expensive setup but hell, it hurts like a bastard. 10.89 dmg mod, 4.34 RoF. .... Alts : The forum equivalent of a WCS ?
R31D	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:10:00 - [3] Fi'Tzeh made a good post there, explains everything pretty well. My current setup is this: 7x Modal Electrons 1x Heavy Nos 1x Quad-Lif MWD 1x X5 Web 1x Fleeting 20k scrambler 1x Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster 2x Large 'Accom' Reps 3x N-Type hardeners 2x Mag Stab II Can run everything pretty much constantly with the cap booster going and can tank a lot of damage Free bumpage for all
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:18:00 - [4] Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Edited by: Fi T''Zeh on 10/01/2006 16:04:07 PvP : First things first, your mid slots are basicly compulsory. 1 x MWD, 1 x web, 1 x scrambler/disruptor, 1 x Cap injector + 800's After that the fun begins, there are three main options, depending on how much tank or gank you want to fit. 1) Electron blasters (aka big girly guns) 7 electrons in the high slots and then a significant amount of tank in your low slots. This may be 3 hardeners and 2 large reps + dmg mods or fitting modules. 2) Ion blasters (still quite girly) Ions in the top and then a moderate tank i.e. 3 hardners and a large rep, maybe a plate also in the low slots. dmg mods or fitting mods in the bottom. 3) Neutron blasters (propper guns - and my personal favourite) Neutrons in the top and then, heh, the fun starts - fitting any kind of decent tank is tricky at this point especially with tech 2 blasters. a 3% cpu implant helps, as do faction / named hardeners, but unless you want to pack out the rest of your lows with fitting modules things become quite tricky. My current favourite for gangs is to use no rep, 3 hardeners and a plate, and then insist my gang mates all fit remote reps to patch me up once i've murdered whatever it is we're shooting. This setup is no use for solo stuff because you can't repair between fights, unless you live in a system with lots of npc stations (hello delve) these are basic premises, there are variations, some people drop the 7th gun and fit a pair of NOS, but these also fit like crap with neutrons. top tips : Get good cap skills, get maxed fitting skills, and above all, when flying a blasterthron, HAVE NO FEAR. The pimp wagon (aka my vnidicator - the serpentis variant of the Megathron - 1 extra mid slot 1.4 x hitpoitns and nice MWD bonus) is currently fitted as follows. 7 x t2 neutrons 1 x Gist x-type mwd, domi web, domi disruptor, DB cap injector, Target painter 2 (tracking comp would be better but i don't have a pimp one that fits yet) 3 x shadow serp damage mods, 3 x darkblood hardeners (Thermal, Kinetic, Explosive), 1600m roll tungsten plate (why are there no faction ones =[[) That's a kinda expensive setup but hell, it hurts like a bastard. 10.89 dmg mod, 4.34 RoF. i hate u, us mere mortals that dont like the girly setup do something along the lines of 1] close range, garanted to drop sub 15km 7 t2 neutrons. 1 large neut [600neut instantly] 1 90% webber, 1 med injecter with 800s, 1 20km, 1 sensor booster 2 dmg mods, 3 energized adaptives, 1 1600tungston plate, 1 med rep t2 5 t2 thermal heavys [ hope u land 15km, ideally 10km or less. > 15km and ur kinda feked,] 2. mid range bah this one dies with me
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:24:00 - [5] Originally by: R31D Fi'Tzeh made a good post there, explains everything pretty well. My current setup is this: 7x Modal Electrons 1x Heavy Nos 1x Quad-Lif MWD 1x X5 Web 1x Fleeting 20k scrambler 1x Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster 2x Large 'Accom' Reps 3x N-Type hardeners 2x Mag Stab II Can run everything pretty much constantly with the cap booster going and can tank a lot of damage where he was wrong is that in most cases unless useing faction. 3 x energized adaptives are better +49% to all and less cpu then N-types i have never used a electron blasterthron , the range seems so poor. i mean u cant hit sit thats > 10km from u my t2s add 8% more dmg then ur t1s, and 14.2% dmg from electrons to neutrons. 23.35% more dmg i donno, i just always been a neutron fan
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:26:00 - [6] Try modal mega ions. -Wrayeth
Rex Martell	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:27:00 - [7] Dont pVp much in the Mega so I can only give pVe setup. 7 x Netron Blaters (Best Named Tech II aren't worth it) 1 x Whatever fits. 1 x MWD/AB 1 x Webbie 2 x Cap Recharger 2 x Large Armour Rep II 3 x Hardners (you will need to spend cash for low cpu named) 2 x PDU II 15% (effective cap recharge against 20% for cprs) It is a great ship to NPC in. It doesn't matter what it is Frigate cruiser BS once it enters the "Zone of Love" it toast. "The object of war is not to die for your corp, but to make the other b@##@#d die for his"
Fuazzole	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:32:00 - [8] A less versitle Blasterthron set up 2 track distupters, web/scr sacraficing other area's for the CPU and dependeant on close combat,...eg complex camping
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Wrayeth Try modal mega ions. NEBERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......... 10% more dmg for t2, usually cheaper too what does the 3rd dmg mod add? less then 10%? just cpu mod it for that one less dmg mod = same thing hey i dont think i ever fought a blasterthron pilot need to do that sometime. guess it shows how rare we are
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:17:00 - [10] Modal ions can be picked up very easily for under 5mil these days. They are worth the investment. My pimp(ish) blasterthron (care of Farjung really) 3xmodal mega ions 4xElectron IIs (with void if u like it) 1xHeavy Diminishing 1xGist B Type MWD (633%, nice low cap use) 1xBrokara's Modded Cap injector (~10 cycle time) 1xTS Web 1xDG Scram (want a domination really) 2xTS Large reps 3xfaction hards 2xSS Mag stabs Drones: 4 Berserker IIs, 4 Warrior IIs You can get a similar fitting use tech2/named tech1 gear but tech2 hardners are out of the question and CPU is always tight with tech2 blasters. However, this should give you something to work with As for neutrons, the dmg is nice, the fitting is meh imo. However pimp that setup of yours is Fitzeh (aka Sir molle j/k) it will still die to mine My Latest Vid (16/11/05)
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:17:00 - [11] my favourite: 7x modal neutrons ABII, web, scram, injector Lar, 1600mm plate, 5x dmg mod I never used this alone... but it was fun to warp into hacs camping gates... but that was pre-rmr. Now t2 ammo and stacking nerf are screwing me... Anyway, i'd like to try domi vs vindicator some day:) I use no guns... i smack to death.
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:19:00 - [12] Nice setup, but what's the deal with farjung?
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:23:00 - [13] Edited by: Fi T''Zeh on 10/01/2006 17:26:00 Originally by: Eyeshadow Modal ions can be picked up very easily for under 5mil these days. They are worth the investment. My pimp(ish) blasterthron (care of Farjung really) 3xmodal mega ions 4xElectron IIs (with void if u like it) 1xHeavy Diminishing 1xGist B Type MWD (633%, nice low cap use) 1xBrokara's Modded Cap injector (~10 cycle time) 1xTS Web 1xDG Scram (want a domination really) 2xTS Large reps 3xfaction hards 2xSS Mag stabs Drones: 4 Berserker IIs, 4 Warrior IIs You can get a similar fitting use tech2/named tech1 gear but tech2 hardners are out of the question and CPU is always tight with tech2 blasters. However, this should give you something to work with As for neutrons, the dmg is nice, the fitting is meh imo. However pimp that setup of yours is Fitzeh (aka Sir molle j/k) it will still die to mine You're not wrong, but i'll look bloody good doing it !!! I'd never consider using my "no reps cos i'm hard" setup solo. It's never going to win against a propper tank. Until i get my hands on some cash for slave implants. EDIT - Also, hopefully when ze blaster changes occur i'll be able to squeeze a rep on without gimping the rest too much. And another also, when Minnie BS 5 finishes im going to try some passive cap recharge wierdness, which will free some grid somewhere for a rep, which will then guzzle my cap, hmmm i dunno. I'm confused. leave me alone. .... Alts : The forum equivalent of a WCS ?
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:39:00 - [14] i think i have a domi setup that most above setups would struggle against... and cost < 100mil (ship + insurance + mods)... oh and no ew. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:48:00 - [15] That's nice, this is a blasterthron thread... .... Alts : The forum equivalent of a WCS ?
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.01.10 18:12:00 - [16] I use Modal Ions, picked them up for 4M each. With a 5% CPU implant it lets me use all my slots without fitting mods (I have 0.14 tf spare ), giving me more damage than a tech II Ion setup (which would a Co-Processor II) and while making use of the last high slot. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) "That's no ordinary rabbit!...that's the most foul, cruel and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on"
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.01.10 18:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Fi T'Zeh That's nice, this is a blasterthron thread... My post just explained that there is ship that use same skills but is cheaper and does job better, suggesting the original poster to consider using different ship. Oh and you started first with vindicator, anyway I use no guns... i smack to death.
CoRuPtoR	Posted - 2006.01.10 18:31:00 - [18] You don't have to use a MWD in a blasterthron. T2 AB works okay for most situations you'll find yourself in. The MWD choice really only shines when you have say, > 20km to traverse to your optimals versus the target.
Farjung	Posted - 2006.01.10 18:52:00 - [19] Originally by: KilROCK Nice setup, but what's the deal with farjung? Eye and I have an on-going e-peening competition about how pimp we're willing to make our blasterthrons before they blow up. I win by default though, as I'm always solo in mine and he's always got gang mates so he never blows up ;p. Personally I like dual rep (/me waits for LUKEC to tell him that even with a chelm injector a dual lar can't be run for long, and a 1600 would often be better - nonetheless dual lar has saved my arse in a few situtations where lar + 1600 or lar + mar wouldn't have) and for a pure solo setup nos is mandatory imo, so this leaves me with electrons as my turret of choice. The last blasterthron (that got ganked a couple of days ago by ASCN, had survived a month in 0.0 before that which is some kind of record for any of my ships) was fitted as: Ion II, 2 modal ion, 3 electron II, modal electron, heavy diminishing mwd II, fleeting web, faint prohibitor, heavy electrochem ts lar, lar II, 3 x 55% faction hards, 2 x ss mag stab It could have fit a full rack of electron II, but I didn't have them with me in stain so I made the best of what was in the hangar. The current one will be pretty much the same fit, but with a rack of electron II and void L once I get hold of it. That setup costs close to 300 mill though, so not really a budget setup. The cheap alternative that I started off in is: 7 modal electron, heavy diminishing mwd II, faint warp prohibitor, fleeting web, heavy electrochem dual LAR II, 3 x n-type hards (though now I'd switch to 3 x eanm II with the new compensation skills), 2 mag stab II Not quite as hot, but the price tag's more like 35 mill compared to 300. As for the people saying "dominix could do this better" - well yes, of course it can. But you don't look as cool killing people with your domi as you do, dying in your mega.
Lilane	Posted - 2006.01.10 19:32:00 - [20] Originally by: CoRuPtoR You don't have to use a MWD in a blasterthron. T2 AB works okay for most situations you'll find yourself in. The MWD choice really only shines when you have say, > 20km to traverse to your optimals versus the target. I can't but agree! And this is more than ever true with those wonderfull new webbing drones. Now, this is still a matter of preference but i made my mind for T2 AB. Dark side of Elegance.
MrCjEvans	Posted - 2006.01.10 19:41:00 - [21] Edited by: MrCjEvans on 10/01/2006 19:43:49 Edited by: MrCjEvans on 10/01/2006 19:41:11 7x t2 Electrons 1x mwd, 1x webber, 1x scramb, 1 heavy electrochemical 2x L armore rep II, 3x TS active hardners - exp,therm,kin II, 2x TS adapive nano t2 electrons hold 200 ammo so u dnt need much in cargo then stuff it full of 800 charges, i get 80%+ across the board
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.01.10 20:14:00 - [22] Originally by: Lilane Originally by: CoRuPtoR You don't have to use a MWD in a blasterthron. T2 AB works okay for most situations you'll find yourself in. The MWD choice really only shines when you have say, > 20km to traverse to your optimals versus the target. I can't but agree! And this is more than ever true with those wonderfull new webbing drones. Now, this is still a matter of preference but i made my mind for T2 AB. AB Blasterthron is hideous. Seriously, it really is horrible. Start at anything outside of 10km and your fecked basically. 350m/s approach does not a great blasterthron make My Latest Vid (16/11/05)
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.01.10 20:20:00 - [23] 7x neutrons II 1x med nos/neut standard mids 1x large Acom 1x med rep II 3x hardners 1x rcu 1x cpu II Maybe not as versatile as some others but hits hard and is relatively cheap
CoRuPtoR	Posted - 2006.01.10 21:16:00 - [24] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Lilane Originally by: CoRuPtoR You don't have to use a MWD in a blasterthron. T2 AB works okay for most situations you'll find yourself in. The MWD choice really only shines when you have say, > 20km to traverse to your optimals versus the target. I can't but agree! And this is more than ever true with those wonderfull new webbing drones. Now, this is still a matter of preference but i made my mind for T2 AB. AB Blasterthron is hideous. Seriously, it really is horrible. Start at anything outside of 10km and your fecked basically. 350m/s approach does not a great blasterthron make okay. Let's think it through. Sitting on a gate. Something jumps in and is max, 12 to 15 km from you. hit, approach, tap the ab, and you are within 6 to 8km and your blasters start really doing there thing within what?.....5 to 8 seconds taken to gain the aforementioned range? Roughly just a bit after you've gotten lock. And, the bonus is, missile boats won't rip your arse apart with the large sig radius you get while mwding on approach. Now I readily admit when distance to optimals > 20, I'm gonna be wishin I had an MWD. But how much combat starts that far or further out?
Asurix	Posted - 2006.01.10 21:35:00 - [25] 6 neutron t2's gistii mwd, web, scram, injector large t2 repper, 2 mag stab t2's, 4 1600mm plates
Alex Christensen	Posted - 2006.01.12 10:01:00 - [26] Edited by: Alex Christensen on 12/01/2006 10:01:28 Alright i'm pretty sure on the high and med slots.. But is it better to have 4x 1600m plates or have 3x hardeners/resistance plates? (Going for 2x large reps, and maybe 2x mag stabs to kill the bastard quicker)
MrRookie	Posted - 2006.01.12 10:25:00 - [27] I always use tech 2 neuts myself and don't have too much trouble fitting it, but I only run one large rep though. btw traacking comps help if you manage to fitt it _____________________________________________ \o/ I got a siggy... WTB 3x Medium Modulated Pulse Energy Beams http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=139877
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.01.12 10:46:00 - [28] Originally by: CoRuPtoR Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Lilane Originally by: CoRuPtoR You don't have to use a MWD in a blasterthron. T2 AB works okay for most situations you'll find yourself in. The MWD choice really only shines when you have say, > 20km to traverse to your optimals versus the target. I can't but agree! And this is more than ever true with those wonderfull new webbing drones. Now, this is still a matter of preference but i made my mind for T2 AB. AB Blasterthron is hideous. Seriously, it really is horrible. Start at anything outside of 10km and your fecked basically. 350m/s approach does not a great blasterthron make okay. Let's think it through. Sitting on a gate. Something jumps in and is max, 12 to 15 km from you. hit, approach, tap the ab, and you are within 6 to 8km and your blasters start really doing there thing within what?.....5 to 8 seconds taken to gain the aforementioned range? Roughly just a bit after you've gotten lock. And, the bonus is, missile boats won't rip your arse apart with the large sig radius you get while mwding on approach. Now I readily admit when distance to optimals > 20, I'm gonna be wishin I had an MWD. But how much combat starts that far or further out? a 5km approach on a t2 ab takes 15!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! seconds, which is about as usefull as the self destruct button. And from 15 to 6 takes you almost 30 seconds ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.01.12 10:50:00 - [29] Edited by: Gronsak on 12/01/2006 10:50:49 Originally by: Gariuys a 5km approach on a t2 ab takes 15!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! seconds, which is about as usefull as the self destruct button. And from 15 to 6 takes you almost 30 seconds ermmm noooooo. it takes 15sec assumeing that ur target is a retard and isnt moving. assume its moving away from u at 150km, then what lol. 30sec to make a 5km gap. a hour to make a 20km to 10km from target trip u gotta have a mwd or its retarded
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.01.12 10:53:00 - [30] Edited by: Fi T''Zeh on 12/01/2006 10:55:47 Originally by: Kaleeb 7x neutrons II 1x med nos/neut standard mids 1x large Acom 1x med rep II 3x hardners 1x rcu 1x cpu II Maybe not as versatile as some others but hits hard and is relatively cheap This is a good solid blasterthron setup. It's what i "should" use but because i'm psychotic i like having 3 dmg mods and no rep... Edit - hopefully when blaster fittings get looked at you might be able to drop the CPU and with n-type hardeners be able to squeeze a dmg mod on instead. .... Alts : The forum equivalent of a WCS ?
Sun Ra	Posted - 2006.01.12 11:03:00 - [31] I used to like 2 heavy nos + 6 electrons + heavy tank, real tight on cpu tho, think i had 1 cpu less. its a nice solo setup, 2 nos's were nice as caps always aproblem with blaster ships, never tried a single nos + you can carry more cap charges now days so prob isnt as good as it used to be Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.01.12 11:20:00 - [32] Actually i'm tinkering about AB thron atm, but there are 2 things that are really buggering me: 1. run for za hills... ups gate. Yes jumping into camp and mwding back to gate saved my ass many many times. 2. AB doesn't gimp cap but you still need injector for solo unless you want to waste medslot and 2 lows for rechargers/relays to get to reasonable cap recharge, hence injector is 4tw slot wise. Same is quite valid for cpu... 15cpu for t2 recharger, 40 for injector, but injector is far better. But in the end, i could not get it work, as: If i have AB, i want t2 neutrons for 2 reasons: i probably cannot dictate range too much, so i need falloff and secondly i need t2 so i can use null ammo if i cannot get close enough. But t2 neutrons have nice ability not to fit with ABII, injector, LAR + plate. (maybe with adv. upgrades 5). I had nice build with neutrons t1, but it was pre RMRish with 5 dmg mods and sensor booster and 2x web... it was perfect hac killing machine, they never aligned fast enough. (and they usually had 2x wcs buhuhuhu). T2 ammo and stacking penalties made that obsolete. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.01.12 11:30:00 - [33] Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 12/01/2006 10:50:49 Originally by: Gariuys a 5km approach on a t2 ab takes 15!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! seconds, which is about as usefull as the self destruct button. And from 15 to 6 takes you almost 30 seconds ermmm noooooo. it takes 15sec assumeing that ur target is a retard and isnt moving. assume its moving away from u at 150km, then what lol. 30sec to make a 5km gap. a hour to make a 20km to 10km from target trip u gotta have a mwd or its retarded Oh I agree, was giving the best case scenario. Which is bad enough to realise that if you need to do any moving whatsoever as a blasterthron, you use a mwd. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.01.12 11:45:00 - [34] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 12/01/2006 11:38:16 Actually i'm tinkering about AB thron atm, but there are 2 things that are really buggering me: 1. run for za hills... ups gate. Yes jumping into camp and mwding back to gate saved my ass many many times. Other true stuff.... That is the most important skill a B-thron pilot can master. The "OMG WTF CAMP TIME TO LEAVE" manoever. It's saved me on several occaisions in the last month. Usually gate campers are so trigger happy they can't help but all agress so you got time to bail from the otherside of the gate before they jump behind you. If you spank your MWD asap your ship's momentum should make it to the gate even if you are webbed. /me strokes his gist x-type. .... Alts : The forum equivalent of a WCS ?
Iron Wraith	Posted - 2006.01.12 12:34:00 - [35] ooOOoOOo, blastherthrons /me dribbles can i just say this is an awsome thread, so many good setups and ideas and none of the normal slagging off you tend to get in setup threads. gonna have to start saving my iskies now. got a blasterthron for lvl'4s when i'm assisting. want enough cash to fund another blasterthron in my new 0.0 home though . gonna be reading and re-reading this thread while i save to work out what to put on her btw my mission thron is great fun to fly, call it my cepterthron. basic idea is to be fast (for deadspace), be able to web multiple hostiles (great for helping the sniping tanker i'm with) and of course bring the full force of the blaster side to play on what ever target i see fit so i got 7t2 neuts, t2 ab + 3webbers, 3t2 dmg + 3nano's + cpr get well over 600m/s out of her with the agility of a un-buffed cruser (really pi**es off demious pilots when u warp with em ). i can also web and gank any of the fast movers and get that insane dps those wonderfull t2 neuts kick out for killing the named BS's. the cap isnt 24/7 though, went click while we were taking out a serp stronghold. but its fine for killing the rats with. also started to get too much of the blaster mentality considering its an un-tanked ship. warped in first a few times and aggroed a few other groups. kinda funny to pick on a BS, lock it down and see if u can pop it before the rats eat into ure untanked hide Because sometimes you just have to go back to your roots: [2005.02.20 01:08:03] (combat) Your Civilian Light Electron Blaster perfectly strikes Serpentis Smuggler, wrecking for 20.3 damage.
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.01.12 12:38:00 - [36] Side note : Drones. gallente ftw and all that, you can fit 5 hvy drones in ze bay. What are peoples thoughts about what to use ? Ashamed to say i'm not a drone knowledge type person, but my understanding of sentries is that they might not be so good at 5km range ? how do they do against a BS that close ? Are we better off just packing out with the heavies, and T2 eventually or is there some argument that a pile of ECM / webby drones will do well. Now if only i could rep my self with maintenance drones =[[ .... Alts : The forum equivalent of a WCS ?
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.01.12 12:43:00 - [37] Drones are tough choice... sentries are no no for mega, but any heavys i find do the trick. I have chronical habit of losing drones due to... bugs, people shooting them etc... and i often end with some replacement that is not what i'd get in optimal conditions. @ iron wrath... forget about lvl4 in blasterthron. It is waste of time. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Envia	Posted - 2006.01.12 12:45:00 - [38] well if you don't mind losing the extra damage from the drones then a few webber drones could help you get in range faster and a tracking disruptor drone or two might help vs turret ships. The cap neutralising drones are nie too, though they only really make an impact on cruisers, but they can eat their cap fast. I think replacing a drone with 1 webber and a tracking dis drone would be worth it, haven't done that myself though (yet) still running around with 5 berserkers II (3 damage types FTW)
Renox	Posted - 2006.01.12 12:56:00 - [39] well if you don't mind losing the extra damage from the drones then a few webber drones could help you get in range faster and a tracking disruptor drone or two might help vs turret ships. The cap neutralising drones are nie too, though they only really make an impact on cruisers, but they can eat their cap fast. I think replacing a drone with 1 webber and a tracking dis drone would be worth it, haven't done that myself though (yet) still running around with 5 berserkers II (3 damage types FTW) TheJay > grrr slow stupid garlic eating surrender monkeys
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.01.12 13:01:00 - [40] Mmmm tracking dis drones. now there's a thought. Although they lose usefulness once you'r in close anyway / fighting a missile opponent. What's the jamming potential of 5 hvy ECM drones ? .... Alts : The forum equivalent of a WCS ?
Renox	Posted - 2006.01.12 13:03:00 - [41] Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Mmmm tracking dis drones. now there's a thought. Although they lose usefulness once you'r in close anyway / fighting a missile opponent. What's the jamming potential of 5 hvy ECM drones ? Roughly equal to 1 race specific jammer I believe TheJay > grrr slow stupid garlic eating surrender monkeys
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.01.12 13:06:00 - [42] Edited by: KilROCK on 12/01/2006 13:07:14 5 Wasp drone = a ECM multispectral jammer with 10 strenght.. Except they don't stack so it's not really a 10 strenght jam Auction Shadow Serpentis Passive armor tank set
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.01.12 13:08:00 - [43] i wonder if interfacing bonus apply to EW drones... will do a little math now.... I use no guns... i smack to death.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.01.12 13:13:00 - [44] Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Side note : Drones. gallente ftw and all that, you can fit 5 hvy drones in ze bay. What are peoples thoughts about what to use ? Ashamed to say i'm not a drone knowledge type person, but my understanding of sentries is that they might not be so good at 5km range ? how do they do against a BS that close ? Are we better off just packing out with the heavies, and T2 eventually or is there some argument that a pile of ECM / webby drones will do well. Now if only i could rep my self with maintenance drones =[[ im sure ur corp has more then 1 blasterthron pilot. fit 5 ehavy armor rep drones. put them on him, get him to put his on u. problem solved personally i use 5 t2 heavy ogres. most dmging. adds like anotehr 250DPS [large droens dont hit frigs though] but if ur solo or small group, might wanna spread ur dmg out with t2 ehavy exploisves. also 5 t2 light exploisves rapes cepters sentry drones are ** on a blasterthron. they dont hit ** close up, and u cant call them back afaik cos they dont move. btw sentry droens will hit crusiers if u web them. but they do less dmg then t2 heavys so stick with t2 heavys
Farjung	Posted - 2006.01.12 13:13:00 - [45] As far as drones go, right now I'm using 4 t2 heavies and 5 t2 lights. The lights mess up ceptors pretty fast, and the heavies save my arse if I'm being jammed a lot of the time. Can think of 6 occasions in the last month where I'd probably have died if my drones hadn't caused the target to die/warp out while I was jammed.
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.01.12 13:29:00 - [46] Farjung i like your idea of 4 hvys and the remaining in lights. The split the 4 hvys across two em and two exp. giving me all 4 dmg types. .... Alts : The forum equivalent of a WCS ?
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.01.12 13:34:00 - [47] Edited by: Sarmaul on 12/01/2006 13:34:27 btw, if you're desperate for a tracking disruptor in the vindi, this fits: Neutron Blaster II x 7 Gist X-Type MWD Domi Web Domi 30k Scram Balmar Tracking Disruptor Shadow Serp Magfield x 3 1600mm nanofibre Dark Blood EANM x 2 Dark Blood ANM x 1 3% cpu implant with 0.84 cpu spare, 83% em, 62% ex, 72% kin, 72% the, 12.6k armour hp
Deathhawk	Posted - 2006.01.12 13:37:00 - [48] i <3 blasterthron, whats your resists? mine are something like... 72, 75, 80, 80.... can anyone mnake them better? Yours is not to wonder why?... yours is just to DO or DIE!...
Antiseptic	Posted - 2006.01.12 19:30:00 - [49] What about 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II Tell me what yall think
slapp	Posted - 2006.01.12 20:18:00 - [50] 7Neutron II 1Mwd 1Scrambler 1Cap Injector + 800 charges 1Med slot thingie that lowers your sig radius by 25% 3dmg mod 31600mm rolled tungsten 1med repper or something? dunno 5Web Drones Used this setup on sisi. It killed pretty much any other bs. ------------------------------------------------------ Originally by:* HippoKing how i would love to wipe my ass with a HAC blueprint
Haniblecter Teg	Posted - 2006.01.12 20:23:00 - [51] Dont be afraid to mix your guns too. There's a huge concensus against mixing gun types, but there's no real justifiable reason. So throw a mix of Neutrons and Electrons and a decent tank. Gives you the ability to do some damage around 15km, and still have PG for a good tank. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Arimai	Posted - 2006.01.12 20:55:00 - [52] Originally by: slapp 7Neutron II 1Mwd 1Scrambler 1Cap Injector + 800 charges 1Med slot thingie that lowers your sig radius by 25% 3dmg mod 31600mm rolled tungsten 1med repper or something? dunno 5Web Drones That med slot thingie was either a target painter, upping the target signature radius, or i really* missed something. I'd liket hose modules though. 5 of them on a blockade runner sounds good :)
Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol	Posted - 2006.01.12 22:23:00 - [53] Originally by: Kaleeb 7x neutrons II 1x med nos/neut standard mids 1x large Acom 1x med rep II 3x hardners 1x rcu 1x cpu II Maybe not as versatile as some others but hits hard and is relatively cheap How much damage does this put out? I use a co-proc 2 and an RCU on Raven as well just want to compare. --------------------------------------------- <Make ECM Burst useful> ECM Burst Idea!
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.01.12 22:29:00 - [54] Unfortunately if you mix neutrons and electrons, you'll do nowt, becaue electron optimal with AM is ~1500m and Neutrons is like 4500m. Get within in 2000m and your neuts will start missing cos they track so poorly. .... Alts : The forum equivalent of a WCS ?
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.01.12 22:49:00 - [55] Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol Originally by: Kaleeb 7x neutrons II 1x med nos/neut standard mids 1x large Acom 1x med rep II 3x hardners 1x rcu 1x cpu II Maybe not as versatile as some others but hits hard and is relatively cheap How much damage does this put out? I use a co-proc 2 and an RCU on Raven as well just want to compare. Lots I can kill ravens with tech II siege aslong as I dont have to travel too far. The thing with neuts is you can hit at a much longer range than the other womens blasters so make it much more effective. Sod the cap problems you have a cap booster and not many tanks can hold the damage
Dan Black	Posted - 2006.01.12 23:06:00 - [56] Can I just say, the hell with PvE setups for a blasterthron first ? Unless you're shooting crappy cruisers and warp in on the spawn. Thank you. CCP promised us that the blasterthron would be the ultimate battleship at close range once, 2 years ago. Yet it hasn't. Untill RmR you had to have a good pair of balls and the right situation to bring it in action. Now, you only just need the right situation...
R31D	Posted - 2006.01.13 17:03:00 - [57] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: R31D Fi'Tzeh made a good post there, explains everything pretty well. My current setup is this: 7x Modal Electrons 1x Heavy Nos 1x Quad-Lif MWD 1x X5 Web 1x Fleeting 20k scrambler 1x Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster 2x Large 'Accom' Reps 3x N-Type hardeners 2x Mag Stab II Can run everything pretty much constantly with the cap booster going and can tank a lot of damage where he was wrong is that in most cases unless useing faction. 3 x energized adaptives are better +49% to all and less cpu then N-types i have never used a electron blasterthron , the range seems so poor. i mean u cant hit sit thats > 10km from u my t2s add 8% more dmg then ur t1s, and 14.2% dmg from electrons to neutrons. 23.35% more dmg i donno, i just always been a neutron fan First, me being able to fit 2x Magnetic Field Stab II's is the point of using Modal, not T2. Also, according to Quickfit, I do more damage like that than Ion Blasters with 1x damage mod. Also, it says that Neutron bBlaster Cannons do 1 DPS more than Ion Blaster Cannons with antimatter in both. My setup deals decent damage and has a great tank on it and I feel it works fine. The range of >10km isn't a problem for me as not much will be able to stay outside that range other than maybe an AC Tempest - I don't see many other BS fitting MWD and webber on them and their agility means it's normally too late to turn around once they've hit a decent range for their own guns. Also, are you sure your math is right with the energized adaptive nano's? If so, I'll be buying some up very soon - saves me a bunch of cash Free bumpage for all
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.01.13 17:08:00 - [58] Originally by: R31D Also, are you sure your math is right with the energized adaptive nano's? If so, I'll be buying some up very soon - saves me a bunch of cash eanm IIs do 25% to all resists with maxed skills (that's ~40 days of training), or 24 with level 4s (~8 days of training). With two fitted. they give a 41.3% boost (assuming level 5s) with the stacking penalty
Alex Christensen	Posted - 2006.01.15 11:49:00 - [59] Okay i've figured that maxing my armor resistance is one of the most important things.. But what resistance platings should I go for? I want max resistance to explosive kenetic and thermal. Should I go for Adaptive Nano's? (named) or what? AFAIK I would fit my ship like this. =High= 7x Neutrons/Ion's 1x anything that fits =Med= 1x MWD 1x Web 1x Scram 1x Cap. Injector =Low= 1x Large Rep. (named or tech II) 3x Resistance Platings / Hardeners 2x 1600mm 2x Mag Stabs =Dronebay= 4x Berserkers 5x Light drones (for interceptors)
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.01.15 12:09:00 - [60] Edited by: LUKEC on 15/01/2006 12:10:05 Originally by: Alex Christensen Okay i've figured that maxing my armor resistance is one of the most important things.. But what resistance platings should I go for? I want max resistance to explosive kenetic and thermal. Should I go for Adaptive Nano's? (named) or what? AFAIK I would fit my ship like this. =High= 7x Neutrons/Ion's 1x anything that fits =Med= 1x MWD 1x Web 1x Scram 1x Cap. Injector =Low= 1x Large Rep. (named or tech II) 3x Resistance Platings / Hardeners 2x 1600mm 2x Mag Stabs =Dronebay= 4x Berserkers 5x Light drones (for interceptors) WTS adv. adv. weapon upgrades. You cannot fit LAR+plate+AB+injector + t2 neutrons :( Oh and u can give that navy thron to me, too. I'm bored with vindicator as it kinnda suck. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Cloudis	Posted - 2006.01.15 13:14:00 - [61] 7Mega Ion Phase cannon 1 named med nos 1named 100mn AB 1named cap injector(800 charges) 1named web 1named warp jammer 1t2 LAR 3t2 hardener(kin,therm, expo) 1t2 energized reactiove membrane(37% expo) 1t2 1600mm plate 1*t2 field stab Gives a good tank and deals okej damage, the setup have some speed issuse tho...
R31D	Posted - 2006.01.15 14:37:00 - [62] Some quickfit stats on blasters when you've got a full tank fitted: 7x Modal Neutrons (no damage mods) - 340.344 DPS 7x Modal Ions (1 damage mod) - 392.192 DPS 7x Modal Electrons (2 damage mods) - 437.727 DPS This is why I use Electrons and tank with 2x mag stabs on my Blasterthron - I can tank a lot of damage with 2x Large Reps and still deal decent damage If you go for 1x Large Rep, 1x Medium Rep you can fit 1 magstab on the Neutron setup and then you get 418.309 DPS, still not quite as much as the Electrons (although it'll be more DOT normally as it'll start hitting from further out) Free bumpage for all

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