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Riiekus
Darkdust Industries Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.30 13:31:00 -
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I'm Super Pissed,
Hey what is this Crap that you are taking the drone bays out of dreads, i just spent 1 and 1/2 years training to get into my moros which is finished in two days and cost me billions to make in my wormhole and 7 months of building components. I havent spent all this time training my Gallentte skills to finally reach the milestone and have it gone. SO basically in a nut shell i have spent a huge amount of training time, tons of hours mining to get the minerals to build the componenets and isk buying the minerals to build a dreadnought in our wh space that is absolutely now useless. i have noticed over the last few months the drastic drop in people playing the game if this Nerf happens i promise my two chars will be gone to. you nerfed alot of the Gallentte ships Like my fav Deimos i was so stoked to get into and find out its nowhere near what it used to be. And im not taking this crap, not after all the time i spent on this project. Now i have a Moros that is absolutely useless in my c1 wormhole. yay me.
Dreadnoughts Remove drone bay from all dreadnoughts. Siege Module I: Boost damage bonus from 625% to 700% to compensate for loss of drones. Siege Module I: Duration time reduced to 5 minutes. Fuel cost -50%. Moros: Remove drone bonus. Moros: New bonus: 5% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret rate of fire per level. |

Sentient Blade
Walk It Off Coalition of the Unfortunate
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Posted - 2011.10.30 13:35:00 -
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Next time, bring a carrier or a domi. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
674
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Posted - 2011.10.30 13:36:00 -
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WHAT TO DO WITH ALL CIVILIAN MINING DRONES NOW!?!?!?!!! 
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Aase Nord
Vikinghall
14
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Posted - 2011.10.30 13:38:00 -
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The end game is here |

Daniel L'Siata
Don't Regret Until Next Keg Dragoons.
25
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Posted - 2011.10.30 13:40:00 -
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Why the hell do you have a Moros in a C1?
There's this thing called efficiency, there's another thing called Carriers, you know, the ones with the hundreds of drones.
Oh, also, the Moros now does an absolutely pants on head ******** amount of damage, so please stop complaining about a buff. |

Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
223
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Posted - 2011.10.30 13:40:00 -
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If you're not braindead, you'd read that change as a dread BOOST.
GG are you this dumb or trolling?
EDIT: You're building a dread in a C1? So you're one of THOSE idiots.
Carry on. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Riiekus
Darkdust Industries Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.30 13:42:00 -
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Dread Boost?
yea now a few baattle cruisers can take it out np, with no drones to worry about its now what we call NERFED and quite frankly the reason i built the moros in a c1 wh was so i could park it at a wh with upto 55 drones in the bay it would have been fun. |

foxnod
Brotherhood of the Coast
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Posted - 2011.10.30 13:45:00 -
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Are you ********? Gallente are getting a huge buff this winter, and you treat it as if it's a nerf.
Then again you built a dread in a C1 so it defininatly points to your stupidity. |

Zaine Maltis
Innsmouth Enterprises
8
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Posted - 2011.10.30 13:45:00 -
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Oh, so you are just scared of losing it in a fight it is designed to lose?
Nevermind!
*hands some candy floss*
There there. That's better.
Innsmouth Enterprises
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Daniel L'Siata
Don't Regret Until Next Keg Dragoons.
25
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Posted - 2011.10.30 13:46:00 -
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Can't tell if stupid or just trolling. Money on stupid. |

Riiekus
Darkdust Industries Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.30 13:53:00 -
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Your all missing the point, the point isnt what i decided to build in my wormhole, its all the training and time and effort that has gone into something that has been takin away. Yea you say the moros gets a bonus woopty ******* doo, go buy a moros let me know where you are and ill bring a few of my friends and we will take it out in no time because without drones those siege guns aint gonna hit **** unless u in a pos. |

Light Avenger
Darkdust Industries Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.30 13:59:00 -
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Regardless of the reason, making a ship of this magnitude unable to defend itself by any means other than relying on escort gang just doesn't sit well with me. I can see the need to give it a weak spot, I don't want any ship in the game to be able to mix/bake/eat and keep the cake. But taking taking out the drone bay completely doesn't make sense. Nerf the bandwith, nerf the capacity....that would be balancing. |

foxnod
Brotherhood of the Coast
1
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:09:00 -
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Riiekus wrote:Your all missing the point, the point isnt what i decided to build in my wormhole, its all the training and time and effort that has gone into something that has been takin away. Yea you say the moros gets a bonus woopty ******* doo, go buy a moros let me know where you are and ill bring a few of my friends and we will take it out in no time because without drones those siege guns aint gonna hit **** unless u in a pos.
Yep you definatly are a moron. |

Riiekus
Darkdust Industries Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:14:00 -
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foxnod wrote:Riiekus wrote:Your all missing the point, the point isnt what i decided to build in my wormhole, its all the training and time and effort that has gone into something that has been takin away. Yea you say the moros gets a bonus woopty ******* doo, go buy a moros let me know where you are and ill bring a few of my friends and we will take it out in no time because without drones those siege guns aint gonna hit **** unless u in a pos. Yep you definatly are a moron.
your kewl. |

Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
92
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:16:00 -
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Agreed. Gallante dread definitely don't need the nerf. Now there's no reason to get any dread other than Revelation. We used to have 2 viable dreads with any reason to exist at all, now it's one. |

Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:29:00 -
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boost capital missiles |

Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
103
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:32:00 -
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Naomi Knight wrote:boost capital missiles
nerf stupidity. there's too much. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

river Zateki
Dutch Squad Chained Reactions
0
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:49:00 -
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You guys are seriously missing the point. He doesnt care if the dreadnought gets infinite siege and 15,000 dps IN siege. The fact is, his bigass drone spewing brick ishtar is gone. He wanted it for the drones, not for the siege. FYI the moros actually has good dps with sentries+ free rr for any ship basically. I see why he is infuriated by this. |

Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.30 15:09:00 -
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Riiekus wrote:foxnod wrote:Riiekus wrote:Your all missing the point, the point isnt what i decided to build in my wormhole, its all the training and time and effort that has gone into something that has been takin away. Yea you say the moros gets a bonus woopty ******* doo, go buy a moros let me know where you are and ill bring a few of my friends and we will take it out in no time because without drones those siege guns aint gonna hit **** unless u in a pos. Yep you definatly are a moron. your kewl, he who calls a Moron that cannot spell.
"You're" "cool"
river Zateki wrote:You guys are seriously missing the point. He doesnt care if the dreadnought gets infinite siege and 15,000 dps IN siege. The fact is, his bigass drone spewing brick ishtar is gone. He wanted it for the drones, not for the siege. FYI the moros actually has good dps with sentries+ free rr for any ship basically. I see why he is infuriated by this.
I would give him the point, if he was in a c5 or c6. In a c1 a domi or ishtar will do the same job, with 90% less training time, and 95% less isk. You can also take the latter out when you get sick of wormhole life.
If he wasn't raging now, he would be later at all the wasted investment of a capital ship in a C1 he won't want to live in anymore. |

Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2011.10.30 15:45:00 -
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Dorian Wylde wrote:Riiekus wrote:foxnod wrote:Riiekus wrote:Your all missing the point, the point isnt what i decided to build in my wormhole, its all the training and time and effort that has gone into something that has been takin away. Yea you say the moros gets a bonus woopty ******* doo, go buy a moros let me know where you are and ill bring a few of my friends and we will take it out in no time because without drones those siege guns aint gonna hit **** unless u in a pos. Yep you definatly are a moron. your kewl, he who calls a Moron that cannot spell. "You're" "cool" river Zateki wrote:You guys are seriously missing the point. He doesnt care if the dreadnought gets infinite siege and 15,000 dps IN siege. The fact is, his bigass drone spewing brick ishtar is gone. He wanted it for the drones, not for the siege. FYI the moros actually has good dps with sentries+ free rr for any ship basically. I see why he is infuriated by this. I would give him the point, if he was in a c5 or c6. In a c1 a domi or ishtar will do the same job, with 90% less training time, and 95% less isk. You can also take the latter out when you get sick of wormhole life. If he wasn't raging now, he would be later at all the wasted investment of a capital ship in a C1 he won't want to live in anymore.
I know apples are tasty, but let's talk about oranges.
We're talking about Gallante dread in ship & module board. If you want to talk about whs, carebearing forum is that way -> |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2011.10.30 18:24:00 -
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The dreads were made for POS bashing, IE hitting a non moving target. Don't need drones for that.
They are a specialty ship, not a JOATs. You want a jack, get a SC. |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.30 19:07:00 -
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yeah keep in mind there is a new tech II siege mod with 800% increase to damage... this would mean your moros is doing over 11000 k dps... not too shabby if i do so say myself.... |

rampro
Imperial Collective
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Posted - 2011.10.30 19:11:00 -
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u can always run ladar sites in it |

Skarned
Inroads
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:09:00 -
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Can I have your Moros and the rest of your stuff? |

ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:22:00 -
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Riiekus wrote:I'm Super Pissed, Hey what is this Crap that you are taking the drone bays out of dreads, i just spent 1 and 1/2 years training to get into my moros which is finished in two days and cost me billions to make in my wormhole and 7 months of building components. I havent spent all this time training my Gallentte skills to finally reach the milestone and have it gone. SO basically in a nut shell i have spent a huge amount of training time, tons of hours mining to get the minerals to build the componenets and isk buying the minerals to build a dreadnought in our wh space that is absolutely now useless.  i have noticed over the last few months the drastic drop in people playing the game if this Nerf happens i promise my two chars will be gone to. you nerfed alot of the Gallentte ships Like my fav Deimos i was so stoked to get into and find out its nowhere near what it used to be. And im not taking this crap, not after all the time i spent on this project. Now i have a Moros that is absolutely useless in my c1 wormhole. yay me. Dreadnoughts Remove drone bay from all dreadnoughts. Siege Module I: Boost damage bonus from 625% to 700% to compensate for loss of drones. Siege Module I: Duration time reduced to 5 minutes. Fuel cost -50%. Moros: Remove drone bonus. Moros: New bonus: 5% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret rate of fire per level.
you trained up dreadnaughts just for 5 pissy little drones ????
what the hell is wrong with you, if you care that much go get in a bloody dominix, you get a 75% damage boost to your dreadnaughts guns your fuel cost is cut in half and you hate the fact you get a ROF bonus now.
also there has to be something wrong with your corp if youa ctually need a dreadnaught in a C1 wormhole i mean come on.
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Arazel Chainfire
Fury Lords Apex United
11
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:43:00 -
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well, now that you have the dread skills, its high time you upgraded to a c5 or C6, where you will actually appreciate the guns in seige mode (I know I will). Also... you would probably kill things slower in a C1 in a dread than you would in an ishtar, due to minor little issues like locking time...
-Arazel |

Riiekus
Darkdust Industries Empire
4
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:55:00 -
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Nominds,
My point is, "WE" train so long towards an objective in the game to have ccp turn around and nerf everything you worked for. |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
13
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Posted - 2011.10.30 22:38:00 -
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Riiekus wrote:Nominds,
My point is, "WE" train so long towards an objective in the game to have ccp turn around and nerf everything you worked for. If the 5 little drones are the only thing a person trains for a dread, they deserve everything they get when CCP buffs. |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2011.10.30 22:42:00 -
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Spend so much time mining and building all those components is...stupid when you should have sell them and made far more isk than you need to do interesting stuff.
Now you need to train for a carrier.
Start mining at
1
2
3
GO ! |

ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
34
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Posted - 2011.10.30 23:14:00 -
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OP you are the ONLY person on these forums to complain about a dreadnaught boost so far.
and probably the only one with a dread in a C1 wormhole for that matter lol |

Daniel L'Siata
Don't Regret Until Next Keg Dragoons.
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Posted - 2011.10.30 23:50:00 -
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There's this thing called a Carrier. Look it up.
Your point is valid, but it's idiotic in the context of bitching about not being able to run C1 sites with a Dreadnought because you don't have drones. |

Verloc Nostromo
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
62
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Posted - 2011.10.31 01:52:00 -
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I understand the sentiment, but you have to look at it from the correct perspective. Yes, the Moros was a pretty decent drone boat and could take on several subcaps and win. The only problem with this is that a capital ship is not SUPPOSED to be able to take on several subcaps and win. A solo capital ship is supposed to die in a hurry if its left unsupported against even a small subcap gang. |

Naso Gomez
Astral Edge
3
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Posted - 2011.10.31 06:31:00 -
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Shouldn't take you long to train to a Thanatos if you already have the skills for a drone Moros, I'm sure you must have trained drone interfacing 5 for it. If so, all you have to do is train Gallente Carrier 1 and set off into the sunset to kill stuff with... drones. Plus if anyone ever sets up a POS in your WH, pull out the Moros and blow it up like it's designed to be used. But really, you should have just made a carrier instead, if you really wanted a capital ship, don't know why you chose the Moros. |

Murtific
Snuff Box
0
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Posted - 2011.10.31 07:17:00 -
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a c1 wormhole? HAHAHAHAHAHA
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
226
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Posted - 2011.10.31 14:37:00 -
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I actually feel robbed by CCP here, to be honest. We should all feel robbed.
He wanted to build a Moros to "sit on the WH with 55 drones"
CCP have robbed him of his insane dreams. CCP have robbed us all of a chance at the inevitable killmail. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

yumike
Eve of Madness
4
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Posted - 2011.10.31 15:38:00 -
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Riiekus wrote:Your all missing the point, the point isnt what i decided to build in my wormhole, its all the training and time and effort that has gone into something that has been takin away. Yea you say the moros gets a bonus woopty ******* doo, go buy a moros let me know where you are and ill bring a few of my friends and we will take it out in no time because without drones those siege guns aint gonna hit **** unless u in a pos.
That's the point of a dreadnought, To destroy enemy capitals and stations.
If your fielding it for any OTHER reason then of course it will die, it shouldn't be on the field and that is the exact same its been for the other dreads for a long time, Now the moros is getting rebalanced to be the same.
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Cypher Decypher
Elite United Hard Moose Moose Alliance
4
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Posted - 2011.10.31 23:17:00 -
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I don't see why the OP should be so peeved. The Moros still makes lovely tanky hauler. He'll still be able to move 70k m3's worth of shite from one CHA to another.
And he doesn't even need to train industrials. |

Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
292
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Posted - 2011.10.31 23:56:00 -
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I too like to use Dreads to kill Sleeper frigs The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |

To mare
Advanced Technology
0
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Posted - 2011.11.01 00:49:00 -
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moros will be a f*king beast with these changes (at least compared to other dreads ) over 4000 dps with rails and over 10k with blasters
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Nikuno
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
3
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Posted - 2011.11.02 13:51:00 -
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No, you're all still missing the point.
The OP trained very specifically for a ship with drone bonuses. It doesn't matter if that ship is better or worse without them, it was advertised as a drone ship and that's what he wanted so he trained for it. After all his training he has found that the advert was misleading and it is no longer a drone ship. He didn't want a large ship with big guns for shooting pos or other capitals, he wanted the drone ship it was advertised to be.
Given the massive change that has been made to the moros since I trained for it (lv5 dread and all) when it had a 50% drone dps bonus, I feel cheated too to be honest.
If I wanted to buy apples that's what I'd do, but i wanted oranges. I paid for oranges. Being sold oranges that change into apples before you can eat them is wrong. CCP should learn to balance around ship usage, not totally change ship usage to try to create balance. |

Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance
30
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Posted - 2011.11.02 14:47:00 -
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From Evelopedia:
Bearing the dubious but well deserved title of most versatile dreadnought, the Moros is a capital ship for all seasons. This is due in no small part to the massive bonus it receives to drone damage. A well skilled Moros will be able to match or even surpass the drone DPS of its sister ship the Thanatos, allowing it to rip apart targets that would otherwise be far too small for its guns to track. Combine this with its ability to fit both blasters and rails and you have a dreadnought that will be able to adapt to targets of any size. Pilots should be warned though, a versatile dreadnought is still a dreadnought. Anybody foolish enough to mistake the Moros for a solo vessel will soon be unburdened of both their illusions and their ship.
So... can you blame someone for training up the Moros rather than the Thanny when they are looking for drone damage?
Things change though, adapt or die. Having said that, a lot of the skills which you have built up to fly the Moros will transfer to the Thanny relatively fast.
And actually having a Moros in a C1 is a deterrent for those who might ninja another POS in there 
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Elistea
Seedless Inc Shadow of xXDEATHXx
2
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Posted - 2011.11.02 14:55:00 -
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Riiekus wrote:I'm Super Pissed, Hey what is this Crap that you are taking the drone bays out of dreads, i just spent 1 and 1/2 years training to get into my moros which is finished in two days and cost me billions to make in my wormhole and 7 months of building components. I havent spent all this time training my Gallentte skills to finally reach the milestone and have it gone. SO basically in a nut shell i have spent a huge amount of training time, tons of hours mining to get the minerals to build the componenets and isk buying the minerals to build a dreadnought in our wh space that is absolutely now useless.  i have noticed over the last few months the drastic drop in people playing the game if this Nerf happens i promise my two chars will be gone to. you nerfed alot of the Gallentte ships Like my fav Deimos i was so stoked to get into and find out its nowhere near what it used to be. And im not taking this crap, not after all the time i spent on this project. Now i have a Moros that is absolutely useless in my c1 wormhole. yay me. Dreadnoughts Remove drone bay from all dreadnoughts. Siege Module I: Boost damage bonus from 625% to 700% to compensate for loss of drones. Siege Module I: Duration time reduced to 5 minutes. Fuel cost -50%. Moros: Remove drone bonus. Moros: New bonus: 5% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret rate of fire per level.
This is probably first time someone is actualy whining over a buff to his/hers fauvorite ship.
Fail topic/Fail point/C1=Fail WH/Having a dread in C1= Fail
QUADfailed m8! |

Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
3
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Posted - 2011.11.02 15:30:00 -
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Elistea wrote:Riiekus wrote:I'm Super Pissed, Hey what is this Crap that you are taking the drone bays out of dreads, i just spent 1 and 1/2 years training to get into my moros which is finished in two days and cost me billions to make in my wormhole and 7 months of building components. I havent spent all this time training my Gallentte skills to finally reach the milestone and have it gone. SO basically in a nut shell i have spent a huge amount of training time, tons of hours mining to get the minerals to build the componenets and isk buying the minerals to build a dreadnought in our wh space that is absolutely now useless.  i have noticed over the last few months the drastic drop in people playing the game if this Nerf happens i promise my two chars will be gone to. you nerfed alot of the Gallentte ships Like my fav Deimos i was so stoked to get into and find out its nowhere near what it used to be. And im not taking this crap, not after all the time i spent on this project. Now i have a Moros that is absolutely useless in my c1 wormhole. yay me. Dreadnoughts Remove drone bay from all dreadnoughts. Siege Module I: Boost damage bonus from 625% to 700% to compensate for loss of drones. Siege Module I: Duration time reduced to 5 minutes. Fuel cost -50%. Moros: Remove drone bonus. Moros: New bonus: 5% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret rate of fire per level. This is probably first time someone is actualy whining over a buff to his/hers fauvorite ship. Fail topic/Fail point/C1=Fail WH/Having a dread in C1= Fail QUADfailed m8!
I dunno, I was quite fond of the whines about the drake's lock range............ |

xenodia
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE
1
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Posted - 2011.11.02 16:14:00 -
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Riiekus wrote:I'm Super Pissed, Hey what is this Crap that you are taking the drone bays out of dreads, i just spent 1 and 1/2 years training to get into my moros which is finished in two days and cost me billions to make in my wormhole and 7 months of building components. I havent spent all this time training my Gallentte skills to finally reach the milestone and have it gone. SO basically in a nut shell i have spent a huge amount of training time, tons of hours mining to get the minerals to build the componenets and isk buying the minerals to build a dreadnought in our wh space that is absolutely now useless.  i have noticed over the last few months the drastic drop in people playing the game if this Nerf happens i promise my two chars will be gone to. you nerfed alot of the Gallentte ships Like my fav Deimos i was so stoked to get into and find out its nowhere near what it used to be. And im not taking this crap, not after all the time i spent on this project. Now i have a Moros that is absolutely useless in my c1 wormhole. yay me. Dreadnoughts Remove drone bay from all dreadnoughts. Siege Module I: Boost damage bonus from 625% to 700% to compensate for loss of drones. Siege Module I: Duration time reduced to 5 minutes. Fuel cost -50%. Moros: Remove drone bonus. Moros: New bonus: 5% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret rate of fire per level.
ok 1st let me start by saying I dont like the new changes either, though for different reasons than you. To me, the changes just make the moros un-gallente, and removes its niche that its had for years.
But seriously... a moros in a c1 ? WTF did you think you were going to do with it in there ? You can solo the sites in a C1 in a drake, and probably faster than you would in a moros because A) the moros will take forever to warp between sites, B) your guns wont hit anything and C) the sleepers will eat your drones. A dread in a wormhole below Class 5 has exactly one purpose..... to destroy a tower that someone tries to set up in your WH. But in a C1.... the WH is worth less than the cost of the dread, not to mention the effort it takes to get all the parts in there. |
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