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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.11 14:39:00 -
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I see CN Caracal on escrows between 200M to 300M all the time. A bit pricey your offer is.
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Marcus Sovereign
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Posted - 2006.01.11 14:39:00 -
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I was just offered a Caldari Navy Issue Caracal BPC from my agent.
Cost: 50,000 LP (which I have) and 200,000,000 isk. (which I don't have)
Two hundred million isk? For a BPC?
From Tuesday's patch notes:
"The faction ships for ISK offers aren't as ridiculously expensive anymore. - This was already in build 3796"
If 200m isk and 50k LP isn't considered to be "ridiculously expensive", then may I ask what they were BEFORE patch 3796? Because, imho, this seems excessive.
Any input welcome.
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Burlock Ironfist
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Posted - 2006.01.11 14:41:00 -
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hwo many runs on the BPC?
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Ayla Vanir
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Posted - 2006.01.11 14:45:00 -
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I don't have Caracal offers yet. I did recently turn down a 50m ISK + 15k LP offer for a 1 run Hookbill BPC @ ME5 or M20 or something. I'm holding out for a better offer myself, and probably would do the same if I had that Caracal offer described in the OP.
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Marcus Sovereign
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Posted - 2006.01.11 14:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Burlock Ironfist
hwo many runs on the BPC?
Single run; Material 15; Production 6
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Marcus Sovereign
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Posted - 2006.01.11 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Sovereign on 11/01/2006 14:55:54
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I see CN Caracal on escrows between 200M to 300M all the time. A bit pricey your offer is.
Yes, I know. I checked escrow myself. No N.I. Caracals for sale; but there is a fully-built N.I. Raven for sale.
For 1.5b isk.
1.5b may sound high, but compare the cost of the fully-built Navy Raven to the cost of the Caracal BPC, and you'll see that the Raven is being sold by a player for only 7.5x the cost of the BPC I'm being offered.
Something is amiss, methinks... but only a dev can confirm it.
Again... if anyone else out there has received an offer for this BPC from their agent, please spell out the details of your offer here.
Thanks in advance.
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Marcus Sovereign
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Posted - 2006.01.11 15:43:00 -
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Does anybody else have any input on this? I'd really like to know if the 200million asking price for the BPC is the "patched" price, or if there is still a problem with these types of offers.
Thanks in advance.
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2006.01.11 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tas Devil on 11/01/2006 15:45:50
bug report it if you think its wrong....
as far as I can tell looks like an 'old' pre-patch offer
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.01.11 15:52:00 -
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Its not broken, it used to cost A LOT more.
If you want a cheaper offer get 150k lps, youll get an offer for Dog Tags + Lps.
The 50k offer is low LP + High cash offers for people whove got to much money and dont like doing missions.
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Marcus Sovereign
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Posted - 2006.01.11 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Its not broken, it used to cost A LOT more.
If you want a cheaper offer get 150k lps, youll get an offer for Dog Tags + Lps.
The 50k offer is low LP + High cash offers for people whove got to much money and dont like doing missions.
Joshua: may I ask what "A LOT more" is/was? That way I can compare the pre-patch and post-patch prices.
Thanks.
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Jaketh Ivanes
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Posted - 2006.01.11 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ayla Vanir
I don't have Caracal offers yet. I did recently turn down a 50m ISK + 15k LP offer for a 1 run Hookbill BPC @ ME5 or M20 or something. I'm holding out for a better offer myself, and probably would do the same if I had that Caracal offer described in the OP.
Yay.. thats close to a 50% reduction. Used to be 90mill pr run for the Navy frig 
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 11/01/2006 16:01:30
Originally by: Marcus Sovereign
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Its not broken, it used to cost A LOT more.
If you want a cheaper offer get 150k lps, youll get an offer for Dog Tags + Lps.
The 50k offer is low LP + High cash offers for people whove got to much money and dont like doing missions.
Joshua: may I ask what "A LOT more" is/was? That way I can compare the pre-patch and post-patch prices.
Thanks.
Cant say for sure but afaik it was something like 500 mill.
I know frigates used to cost 90 mill isk, which was dropped to 50 mill apparently so dropping from 500-600 mill to 250 sounds right.
Plus 250 for a BPC is a pretty good deal
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Marcus Sovereign
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Sovereign on 11/01/2006 16:14:08
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Cant say for sure but afaik it was something like 500 mill.
I know frigates used to cost 90 mill isk, which was dropped to 50 mill apparently so dropping from 500-600 mill to 250 sounds right.
Plus 250 for a BPC is a pretty good deal
hmmmm... 250m (actually 200m isk plus 50k LP) doesn't seem like a pretty good deal to me.
Based on typical single-run BPC pricing, which is ~10% of the build-cost of most items, that would mean that a fully-built Navy Issue Caracal would be selling on escrow for ~2 billion isk.
Since there's a fully-built Navy Issue Raven being sold on escrow for 1.5 billion isk, something smells rotten in Reykjavik. 
Keep in mind that we're talking about a Cruiser here. The Raven is a Battleship. I find it hard to believe that a fully-built Faction Cruiser is going to sell for 500 million isk MORE than a fully-built Faction Battleship.
Unless, of course, the seller of the Raven is having a bad day, and decided to get rid of it at cost or something.
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Sovereign
Edited by: Marcus Sovereign on 11/01/2006 14:55:54
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I see CN Caracal on escrows between 200M to 300M all the time. A bit pricey your offer is.
Yes, I know. I checked escrow myself. No N.I. Caracals for sale; but there is a fully-built N.I. Raven for sale.
For 1.5b isk.
1.5b may sound high, but compare the cost of the fully-built Navy Raven to the cost of the Caracal BPC, and you'll see that the Raven is being sold by a player for only 7.5x the cost of the BPC I'm being offered.
Something is amiss, methinks... but only a dev can confirm it.
Again... if anyone else out there has received an offer for this BPC from their agent, please spell out the details of your offer here.
Thanks in advance.
The current prices for faction bs will not hold for long, since the new offers are (I think 200k lp and 500 million for a 1 run bpc).
I expect most faction bs to fall below 1 billion or lower pretty fast.
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Zar Dim
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Zar Dim on 11/01/2006 16:27:04
Such prices are madness. I got the same offer (50k LP and 200mil) for Stabber Fleet Issue BPC. This is completly insane price, a fleet stabber only marginally better then a Rupture, but costs (inlcuding LP cost and resources) 40-50x time more.
Only stupid or collector will accept this kind of an offer.
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Marcus Sovereign
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Zar Dim
Edited by: Zar Dim on 11/01/2006 16:27:04
Such prices are madness. I got the same offer (50k LP and 200mil) for Stabber Fleet Issue BPC. This is completly insane price, a fleet stabber only marginally better then a Rupture, but costs (inlcuding LP cost and resources) 40-50x time more.
Only stupid or collector will accept this kind of an offer.
Like I said, something smells funny about this whole thing.
Anyway, I told my agent to stuff her offer. It's a shame, because the main reason I've been doing missions was to earn a faction ship.
Makes me regret turning down the offer for 4 +2 perception implants for 36k LP.
Ah well... I'm sure this is bugged, because if it's the way it's supposed to be, then (as you say) only an idiot or a very wealthy collector would even bother. At that price, you'd be a fool to try and use that ship in combat.
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NGRU Vulture
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Posted - 2006.01.11 19:39:00 -
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I hade offer 2 days ago on Ammar navy frigate i think it was Slicer single run copy with same 15 ME and 6 PE for 12K lp and 100Mills isk...you got to be kidding me i could buy this same ship for less from escrow .
CCP need to do something about those offers they not worth taking any more, i affraide even think how much would cost me offer on Apoc Navy 1bill or 2..? that redic....
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