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Lunas Feelgood	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:30:00 - [1] Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 11/01/2006 19:30:30 Rumor has it Duvolle was contracted by parties unknown to create the ultimate close-range blaster cruiser. In this their engineers and designers haven't failed; but the identity of the company's client remains to be discovered. This sound very good only one prop you cant use tech 2 neutron blasters on you deimos. Takes way to much powergrid. I have got the skill for this baby for ages but i hardly use it and there is 1 reason for this. Its crap compared to the awesome vagabond.. Vaga hits really hard and can take alot of dmg and is extremely fast.. This means if it gets into trouble it can almost get out of it. The deimos cant however but thats ok as long as it hit really hard.. However it dont becuase of the crappy powergrid. You need to fit Electron/Ions blasters if you want a nice tank.. And offcourse you need to have a nice tank its the hole reason with a hac.. So come on ccp give us a little more power so we can fit those lovely neutrons so it can be the ultimate close-range blaster cruiser
Vixa Ambrodel	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:34:00 - [2] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood However it dont becuase of the crappy powergrid. You need to fit Electron/Ions blasters if you want a nice tank.. And offcourse you need to have a nice tank its the hole reason with a hac.. Wrong. The idea with HACs having higher resistances is so that you DO NOT need to tank that much, module-wise. And since you DO NOT need to do that, you have more power left for other things, such as weapons. It's all a matter of fitting, not love from CCP...
Lunas Feelgood	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:38:00 - [3] Originally by: Vixa Ambrodel Originally by: Lunas Feelgood However it dont becuase of the crappy powergrid. You need to fit Electron/Ions blasters if you want a nice tank.. And offcourse you need to have a nice tank its the hole reason with a hac.. Wrong. The idea with HACs having higher resistances is so that you DO NOT need to tank that much, module-wise. And since you DO NOT need to do that, you have more power left for other things, such as weapons. It's all a matter of fitting, not love from CCP... well ill like to know how you fit 5 neutrons and 1 eksplosiv, Em, thermal hardners and maybe a 800/400 plate..,MWD, webber, scrampler. and dont forget 1 medium nos becuase you simply need a nos since you guns use alot of cap.. It cant be done becuase it got such a crappy powergrid
Palx	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:38:00 - [4] Agreed with the OP Only has 40more PG than the Rax, but +1 high and +1 low ;/ My other sigs
Winterblink	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:39:00 - [5] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood However it dont becuase of the crappy powergrid. You need to fit Electron/Ions blasters if you want a nice tank.. And offcourse you need to have a nice tank its the hole reason with a hac.. So come on ccp give us a little more power so we can fit those lovely neutrons so it can be the ultimate close-range blaster cruiser So if the point of a HAC is to get a nice tank, and you just posted a way you can achieve a nice tank, then yay, the problem is solved, right? Oh but you want the I WIN button too? winterblink warp drive active.http://winterblink.com/wda nature vraie.http://winterblink.com/env
Vixa Ambrodel	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:40:00 - [6] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood well ill like to know how you fit 5 neutrons and 1 eksplosiv, Em, thermal hardners and maybe a 800/400 plate..,MWD, webber, scrampler. and dont forget 1 medium nos becuase you simply need a nos since you guns use alot of cap.. It cant be done becuase it got such a crappy powergrid And you don't have to fit the thermal hardener, as you have a high enough res there. Maybe skip the EM too. That clears up space for the RCU that would give you the powergrid to fit better guns. What you do wrong is multi-fit. You fit as if you were all alone against everyone else and needs to be prepared for EVERYTHING. So as I said, it's all about fitting and yours is.... bad
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:40:00 - [7] No. You're not supposed to heavily tank a Deimos. You fit a setup with a DPS near that of a good battleship, race into battle, practically ram people, and blow them to hell with your T2 Neutrons before they even know you're there. If there are a lot of enemies, you'll probably get called primary and die fast...but you'll take a lot of them down with you too -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Lunas Feelgood	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Palx Agreed with the OP Only has 40more PG than the Rax, but +1 high and +1 low ;/ yeps I normal just use a rax becuase its cheap and i can almost kill the same thing in it.. So whats the point to use a crappy ekspensive deimos??
Lunas Feelgood	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:42:00 - [9] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Lunas Feelgood However it dont becuase of the crappy powergrid. You need to fit Electron/Ions blasters if you want a nice tank.. And offcourse you need to have a nice tank its the hole reason with a hac.. So come on ccp give us a little more power so we can fit those lovely neutrons so it can be the ultimate close-range blaster cruiser So if the point of a HAC is to get a nice tank, and you just posted a way you can achieve a nice tank, then yay, the problem is solved, right? Oh but you want the I WIN button too? Ok why is there neutron blasters ingame then. Neutron blasters takes so much powergrid that no1 us neutrons.. So ccp can just take them out of game then.. Only ship you can fit neutrons is on a mega.
Winterblink	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Vixa Ambrodel What you do wrong is multi-fit. You fit as if you were all alone against everyone else and needs to be prepared for EVERYTHING. So as I said, it's all about fitting and yours is.... bad Agreed. It's a surprisingly flexible ship, and very very powerful if you know what you're doing in Fitting. :) winterblink warp drive active.http://winterblink.com/wda nature vraie.http://winterblink.com/env
super4lt	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:43:00 - [11] Can I have your stuff? Super4lt is here to let yall know what time it is
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:43:00 - [12] Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 11/01/2006 19:44:14 Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Lunas Feelgood However it dont becuase of the crappy powergrid. You need to fit Electron/Ions blasters if you want a nice tank.. And offcourse you need to have a nice tank its the hole reason with a hac.. So come on ccp give us a little more power so we can fit those lovely neutrons so it can be the ultimate close-range blaster cruiser So if the point of a HAC is to get a nice tank, and you just posted a way you can achieve a nice tank, then yay, the problem is solved, right? Oh but you want the I WIN button too? Ok why is there neutron blasters ingame then. Neutron blasters takes so much powergrid that no1 us neutrons.. So ccp can just take them out of game then.. Only ship you can fit neutrons is on a mega. Either you tank extremely well or you kill extremely well. Pick one. And don't make me sic Nisaka Sivos on you too -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Vixa Ambrodel	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:45:00 - [13] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Ok why is there neutron blasters ingame then. Neutron blasters takes so much powergrid that no1 us neutrons.. So ccp can just take them out of game then.. Only ship you can fit neutrons is on a mega. As Blinky wrote, you want the I WIN button too. No can do. And there is a reason for the Deimos not being able to fit all Neutrons. It would be overpowered if it could AND maintain an uber tank. And FYI, I use a Thorax with T2 Neuts. Sure, I don't have 5 of them on, but I use them. So no need for CCP to remove them
Clytamnestra	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:45:00 - [14] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Lunas Feelgood However it dont becuase of the crappy powergrid. You need to fit Electron/Ions blasters if you want a nice tank.. And offcourse you need to have a nice tank its the hole reason with a hac.. So come on ccp give us a little more power so we can fit those lovely neutrons so it can be the ultimate close-range blaster cruiser So if the point of a HAC is to get a nice tank, and you just posted a way you can achieve a nice tank, then yay, the problem is solved, right? Oh but you want the I WIN button too? Ok why is there neutron blasters ingame then. Neutron blasters takes so much powergrid that no1 us neutrons.. So ccp can just take them out of game then.. Only ship you can fit neutrons is on a mega. You've just changed the subject and answered your own question. --
Vixa Ambrodel	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:46:00 - [15] Edited by: Vixa Ambrodel on 11/01/2006 19:47:40 Originally by: Clytamnestra You've just changed the subject and answered your own question. QFATÖ Quoted For Absolute TruthÖ
Zaldiri	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:46:00 - [16] If you want to whine, at least do it in the ships and modules forum. ----------------------------------------------- Admiral of King Frieza's Super Saiyan fleet.
Lunas Feelgood	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:47:00 - [17] ok forget what i say apperently im the only one in EVE that think a 150mil cruiser with 40 more powergrid then a rax is not ok.. Sorry peeps. Ill go and rethink my fitting..
Nisaka Sivos	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:49:00 - [18] Oh holy crap my Heavy Assault Cruiser can't do battleship-class damage AND tank everything in the galaxy at the SAME TIME, despite the fact that no other ship in EVE can do that! Who could possibly save me? Call Batman! --Nisaka Sivos, alter-ego of Nikolai Nuvolari
Vixa Ambrodel	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood ok forget what i say apperently im the only one in EVE that think a 150mil cruiser with 40 more powergrid then a rax is not ok.. Sorry peeps. Ill go and rethink my fitting.. Actually, the question was fair enough. But your description of the problem was not. It looked like a whine, saying that you can't fit the best of the best and deal with everything and you didn't like that. I agree with you that the Deimos is weak on powergrid, but so was the Thorax pre-boost. In time, who knows, the Deimos might get an equal boost to power, but for now you'll have to fly it "as you can", instead of "as you would like to"
Lunas Feelgood	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:54:00 - [20] Originally by: Vixa Ambrodel Originally by: Lunas Feelgood ok forget what i say apperently im the only one in EVE that think a 150mil cruiser with 40 more powergrid then a rax is not ok.. Sorry peeps. Ill go and rethink my fitting.. Actually, the question was fair enough. But your description of the problem was not. It looked like a whine, saying that you can't fit the best of the best and deal with everything and you didn't like that. I agree with you that the Deimos is weak on powergrid, but so was the Thorax pre-boost. In time, who knows, the Deimos might get an equal boost to power, but for now you'll have to fly it "as you can", instead of "as you would like to" Thx for you kind ansvar I was starting to think i was gettting publicly executed and i tought corp and alliance forum was the meanest
Winterblink	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood ok forget what i say apperently im the only one in EVE that think a 150mil cruiser with 40 more powergrid then a rax is not ok.. Sorry peeps. Ill go and rethink my fitting.. I think you're sorely overlooking the advantages the Deimos and focusing on a perceived negative that's borne of your inability to think beyond the precise loadout that you think is perfect. I've survived many situations with the Deimos that a Thorax would have ineffective. Consider for a moment that the Deimos is to be used in an elegant and strategic approach. Or, put another way, have you ever seen what happens to a boxer that wildly throws his strongest punches one after another? winterblink warp drive active.http://winterblink.com/wda nature vraie.http://winterblink.com/env
Quanteeri	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:56:00 - [22] Who needs Neutrons when you got Lunas? CCP has even knows it. They've added the word BIGSHOT to the URL of my avatar.
Lunas Feelgood	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Quanteeri Who needs Neutrons when you got Lunas? lol
Winterblink	Posted - 2006.01.11 19:57:00 - [24] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Thx for you kind ansvar I was starting to think i was gettting publicly executed and i tought corp and alliance forum was the meanest I wasn't trying to be mean, and just because I didn't slather on the happy smily emoticons doesn't mean I wasn't trying to make you think about what the ship can do, other than just what you want it to do. winterblink warp drive active.http://winterblink.com/wda nature vraie.http://winterblink.com/env
Lorth	Posted - 2006.01.11 20:05:00 - [25] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari No. You're not supposed to heavily tank a Deimos. You fit a setup with a DPS near that of a good battleship, race into battle, practically ram people, and blow them to hell with your T2 Neutrons before they even know you're there. If there are a lot of enemies, you'll probably get called primary and die fast...but you'll take a lot of them down with you too The problem is, the way the game is played today it doesn't really work like this. If you consider the time to MWD to a target, your much better off using a differant HAC. You'll end up doing more damage, because you start firing as soon as you drop out of warp, and not to mention you'll have a better tank. Now I'm not saying the Deimos is a junk pile. But it certainly isn't the best HAC out there. There's other hac's that can do the same job as the deimos, but with easier to use fittings and better tanks. The problem is blasters really. If I'm spending half the battle flying from target to target, thats half the battle that I'm esentually useless, save for maybe as a tackler depending on my mid slots. Now this wouldn't be so much of a problem if the wait was worth it, but as of right now, you make fairly large fitting sacrifices to gain perhaps 10% more damage then any other ship. It just isn't as feasible to fly a blastership compared to any of the other options. Now if blaster damage were higher for example, it would be worth fitting them. Or if I could fit a better tank, or well anything really... But I can't, and even though my gallente skills are nearly maxed, its been a good year since I've fitted blasters to anything save for the first deimos I bought. Which is a shame, but as I see it, blasters currently are out classed by virtually every other weapon system out there.
Kalixa Hihro	Posted - 2006.01.11 20:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 11/01/2006 19:30:30 Rumor has it Duvolle was contracted by parties unknown to create the ultimate close-range blaster cruiser. In this their engineers and designers haven't failed; but the identity of the company's client remains to be discovered. This sound very good only one prop you cant use tech 2 neutron blasters on you deimos. Takes way to much powergrid. I have got the skill for this baby for ages but i hardly use it and there is 1 reason for this. Its crap compared to the awesome vagabond.. Vaga hits really hard and can take alot of dmg and is extremely fast.. This means if it gets into trouble it can almost get out of it. The deimos cant however but thats ok as long as it hit really hard.. However it dont becuase of the crappy powergrid. You need to fit Electron/Ions blasters if you want a nice tank.. And offcourse you need to have a nice tank its the hole reason with a hac.. So come on ccp give us a little more power so we can fit those lovely neutrons so it can be the ultimate close-range blaster cruiser The issue isn't the deimos (or any other ship). The issue is simply that blasters take way too much powergrid in comparison to other race's close range weapons. You get mad damage, the penalty is range. As it is blasters suffer a double penalty in the outrageous amounts of powergrid they take too. You are close about the power, but it's the blasters that take too much power, not the ship that doesn't have enough.
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.01.11 20:07:00 - [27] ahh, get Zelot, the cruiser that can have ~ 8k armor M close range guns and Nice tankkage. Or vagabond that can have stupid passive shield tank and go nearly 1000m/s on AB. Or get a cerb and you dont need speed or energy, passivly do all 4tw .... Or get ishtar, and well... you know ishtars. Only thing that elevates you above others in deimos is BAD ATTITUDE.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.01.11 20:08:00 - [28] Originally by: Scalor Valentis Or get ishtar, and well... you know ishtars. /me shivers in a combination of disgust and horror at that flying monstrosity -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
slothe	Posted - 2006.01.11 20:34:00 - [29] to me it doesnt make sense that you can fit 4 neutron blasters (+2 heavy launchers) on an eagle easily - a rail platform, yet not easily be able to fit them on a deimos - a blaster platform
Trevedian	Posted - 2006.01.11 21:19:00 - [30] The Deimos is Uber STFU... Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me

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