The day that happens is the day EVE stops being EVE and it will go the same way as all the other MMOs have.

This discussion (and all others along those lines) never have been about PvP in EVE in general, and you know it.

You'd think all the dead "themepark" consensual pvp game swoulda gave them a hint, but that's asking too much lol.

Were I do agree though: That minority of "impotent flailers" will not change the game...

...but the demands of a changing industry might.

CCP is, at least, consistent about this, in that their explanation about what provokes a criminal flag is the use of a module. Of course, that wouldn't be the case with bumping - no modules are involved.

The good news is that EVE never catered to that part of the industry to begin with, and didn't need to chase to get on the whole GÇ£difficult gameGÇ¥ bandwagon GÇö it was already sitting way up front.

...as it was never thinkable that WoW will go f2p one day. Things change.

@ Tardbar: That's why low hanging fruit "PvP" with maximised risk/reward is so fervently defended by the players.

I've never gotten why victims will so willfully fuel the tear machine with whinging and crying after a gank.

I've been gotten on my industrial alt a few times. Rather than sending pages full of "OMG U SUX GO DIAF", I just say "Hey, good gank, caught me napping. Next time you won't be so lucky!"


Some people just invest entirely too much emotional clutter into a video game.

Hm... ok, it seams I stand corrected then... on the other hand, given CCP's recents changes in management...

...let's just say, I get a different message. Times are a changing, that's especially true for game companies... just don't be too suprised if "your" way of playing the game is suddenly deemed undesirable one day.

The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (in fact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP).

So basically, you're wrong about pretty much everything. That's actually pretty impressive.

I know, right!?

Seriously though... throwing around random quotes as a way to give yourself a sense of security, and to be "right" of course, is... adorable... but doesn't nullify the possibility that CCP might change the whole bumping mechanics on a whim, if they should deem it necessary...

Um, ships are moving at maximum speed when they undock.

The simple solution would be that once a warp drive is activated and begins spooling up the ship is surrounded by a warp bubble and no longer a "collidable" object. The physics of the game has ships in warp passing through planets, stations, asteroids, all kinds of stuff because while in Warp you are not "physically" in the universe. At that point the only way to prevent the ship from warping away is to use a warp disruptor. If the ship doesn't have it's warp drive active then it can interact with the objects around it and be bumped.

top of the line capital ship to fly

killed by a group of newb alts in newb 2 million isk dessies with newb t1 weapons in under 30 seconds

You just killed bumping as a thing to fix something that isnt broken.

This thread is about that singular concept and addressing the perceived "lifelike" physics of mass in space, based on several limitations. It needs to change because it is not "lifelike" enough.

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but:

wouldn't it be more realistic if it was harder to bump a ship with more mass than the one you are flying? So for example if ship a) with a mass of 10kk kg woulb be able to bump a ship with 5kk kg, but not a ship with 20kk kg?
Seems logical that a bumping frigate would just be crushed against the hull of a freighter, and therefore be the one that is bumped if it tries.

Baltec - the adage "if it ain't broke then don't fix it" is what you are applying to this situation, then I have to say, that thinking is flawed. A design or concept when created is not perfect - never has been. Change of time, uses and people require modification of everything so the adage should be "If it don't change, don't fix it" and you apply that, will find that everything must evolve as everything changes.

Applying that concept to this game - everything will change because it can - and you know it can. There is no law to say it can't and as CCP has given the players a voice and an input into game evolution, then we say it will be changed and they will bow to player pressure - or not, as it is their decision at the end of the day.

This thread is about that singular concept and addressing the perceived "lifelike" physics of mass in space, based on several limitations. It needs to change because it is not "lifelike" enough.

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CCP is, at least, consistent about this, in that their explanation about what provokes a criminal flag is the use of a module. Of course, that wouldn't be the case with bumping - no modules are involved.

MWD's increase ship mass. I'm sure your rental agreement doesn't say anything about being allowed to badpost on the forums.

I'm talking about the size of the ship. There's no reason a large ship should do evasive maneuvers for a small sized ship. RL example: Large 16 wheel truck vs a Ford Ka.
If anchor +F1 "leet pvp" goons can badpost, I can too.