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Say you have some guy working at SpaceMcDonalds; does he make 10.50 ISK an Hour? Then, it doesn't seem so difficult for a regular person to make boatloads of money.

But teh question at its heart; If "Eve was Real", how much would 1 ISK be worth to a regular person?

Yeah this is a pointless question, but it bugs me.

If only there was mining lasers in RL like they are in-game...

1 isk is probably worth several times more than 1 dollar.

Average Dreadnaught costs 1 billion isk ish. A submarine costs about 1 bil usd. Now extrapolate sizes, technology, weaponry, and compare.

You can not compare an Attack Sub to a Dreadnaught Build Cost.

* The Minerals used to make the Sub need to be collected and transported over months, 1 Mining Barge can collect enough to build a Dread in less then a day.

* Nano Tech and Assembly Lines can Pump out Dreadnoughts every hour.

* The Minerals used to make the Sub need to be collected and transported over months, 1 Mining Barge can collect enough to build a Dread in less then a day. HUH?

* Nano Tech and Assembly Lines can Pump out Dreadnoughts every hour. HUH???????

* The Minerals used to make the Sub need to be collected and transported over months, 1 Mining Barge can collect enough to build a Dread in less then a day. HUH?

* Nano Tech and Assembly Lines can Pump out Dreadnoughts every hour. HUH???????

Since we don't have spaceships IRL for a comparison, I'd pick some basic every day item for comparison.

A pair of boots costs ~20 mill isk. Assuming the same boots would cost 200 $ IRL, 100 000 isk would be one dollar.

A Space-McD employee would make a million an hour.

So if they'd sell Space Cruisers at Wall Mart, it would be around 50 bucks.

Quite reasonable, actually.

1. Mining Minerals on earth takes a lot longer then a Mining Barge which can just suck up the Minerals from an Asteroid Belt.

2. Nano Technology Repairs the Armor of a Ship so fast that a Myrmidon can tank Nuclear Weapons. So yeah if those Robots can repair a ship that fast it is no doubt that they are used in construction. As assembly lines you build components for Capitals then Assemble the Components which is what an Assembly Line is.

Answer your questions?

That would mean 2 dollars would buy you a Rifter which is equivalent to a Boeing 747.

No.

I want to know in what pipedream you believe that:

1. Mining Barge can mine all the required minerals for a dread i one day

2. Dreadnought can be built in one hour.


Really, i almost fell out of my chair..

Building a dread takes well over two weeks. Mining the minerals for it with one mining barge... hehe.. i hope that barge is subbed for at least two months.

You can not compare an Attack Sub to a Dreadnaught Build Cost.

* Minerals in EVE are Vacuumed out of Space at an incredible rate.
* The Minerals used to make the Sub need to be collected and transported over months, 1 Mining Barge can collect enough to build a Dread in less then a day.
* Nano Tech and Assembly Lines can Pump out Dreadnoughts every hour.
* It is possible that not many people are involved in building a Dread because of Automation.
* Since Dreads are run off an Assembly Line they will not need custom parts that have to be specially assembled instead of made on a production line.

It could possibly be cheaper to build that 3 KM Dreadnought then the 90m Sub.

Note that SilentSkills said] that if you take into account size, technology, and weaponry, then this will mean that it will take several or more earth made submarines to be able to equal the cost of just a single Dreadnought should USD be converted to ISK. So, 1 ISK = a boatload of USD.

The same can be said for a Rifter in New Eden and a 747 Jumbo Jet here on Earth. They are both the same size and perhaps the same weight, but the level of technology between the two and weaponry will mean that it will cost several or more 747 Jumbo Jets to equal the production costs of just one Rifter (and this is comparing to a T1 frigate).

Actually, we technically can. Think about it.

Mining 24/7 ABC ORE in a Covetor or Hulk, I don't know the numbers because I do not Mine but I doubt it would take much longer then a day or 2.


Duh, Assembly Line. Is there only one Dreadnaught being built at this station. I don't know exactly how many Factory slots a Station has but they can build an incredible ship in a short amount.

You did not think I was talking about one ship did you?

And a dreadnought is built in two parts: The components and the ship itself.

A revelation takes 12 components and the build time for each is more or less 4 hours. If you could dedicate 12 assembly lines to building one each all at the same time, you would have the components built in less than a day.

BUT, the ship itself takes 2 weeks to build. You cannot dedicate separate assembly lines to assemble one unit. Its like trying to build a car in two separate lines. You can't cut the chassis in half, build on them and connect the two later.

* Nano Tech and Assembly Lines can Pump out Dreadnoughts every hour.

I see, so what you are saying is that if you ran all the production lines with equal space apart with components made in other Stations you will get closer to that 1 Dread an Hour Mark. But I would need a lot of POS's to pick up the slack.

1 Dread an Hour, Challenge Accepted.

Can anyone lone me 300 Billion in Start Up Cost.

I see, so what you are saying is that if you ran all the production lines with equal space apart with components made in other Stations you will get closer to that 1 Dread an Hour Mark. But I would need a lot of POS's to pick up the slack.

1 Dread an Hour, Challenge Accepted.

Can anyone lone me 300 Billion in Start Up Cost.

You cannot build a dread in one hour.

Its not a challenge, its a fact. Dread BPO is 2 weeks manufacturing time.

It is impossible to get a Dread in less than 2 weeks. it takes longer than that to construct (after having all the parts and ore).

Why are there all these nonsensical submarine/EVE-dreadnaught analogies? They have a whole two things in common: They shoot things, and the fact that letting the atmosphere out of the hull is bad.

I never said build a Dread in one hour but produce one an Hour. If you start one every hour hour eventually they will be produced every hour which is what my original post was referring to and the subsequent ones poking fun at.

Every Hour Dreadnaughts are being made, you do not see that in the real world like with Submarines. It's mass production I was speaking to not build time.

And as I showed that could be completely mistaken and that Sub could be more expensive then the Dreadnaught.


Says who.

Production on Earth does not have Nanobots that put ships together. Earth also can not Vacumm 8000m3 of Metal out of a Rock in 15min. A Rifter could cost 1/10th as much as a 747 to produce.


I did, conclusion you can not.

You actually said that assembly lines can pump one every hour and that is false as well.

Nano Tech and Assembly Lines can Pump out Dreadnoughts every hour.

Assembly lines can only pump one dread every 7 days at max production efficiency like the poster on the 2nd page stated. A production line might be able to pump a dread every hour if you have enough assembly lines inside said production line to organize it, and if that is truly what you meant than yes, in that case you are correct. Assembly line != Production line. But like i said, that is just semantics..

Still, semantics or not, a covetor cannot mine enough ore to build a dread in one day not even with All Level V skills and all orca/rorqual bonuses. With one HULK, it took me over one week to mine enough ore for my first carrier. And a dread takes oh so much more ore than a carrier does.

I never said build a Dread in one hour but produce one an Hour. If you start one every hour hour eventually they will be produced every hour which is what my original post was referring to and the subsequent ones poking fun at.

Every Hour Dreadnaughts are being made, you do not see that in the real world like with Submarines. It's mass production I was speaking to not build time.

You guys really love to argue.

No I did not say that. I did not say that at all.

Sigh...I am profoundly stupid and willfully ignorant and should be kept far, far away from keyboards.

I am a troll, Make up some stuff that has nothing to do with the post I quoted.

Let's assume for a moment that you can magically build a Dread in 7 days, or 168 hours.
To do what you want then requires 168 fg slots going at one time, just for the ships.
Let's further assume you have 3 chars/account, all with maxed industry skills.
That is 33 mfg slots.
You are into a 6th char, just to produce one Dread/hour.

That of course is ignoring the 168 researched Dread BPO's (168 would cost about 250 BILLION from the NPC stores) or Dread BPC's that have to be created one/ hour (ever looked at the copy time on a Dread BPO?), plus the mining of 1 billion plus ISK of mins/ hour, plus the 1 billion ISK/hour in minerals that have to be moved, the manufacturing of the dread components, etc etc.

I am sure a single person can do that....well, maybe not.

Let's try it takes very well run , extremely well-funded corp to pump out 5 dreads/week.

You quoted the wrong part so I fixed it for you.

Dreads are not fodder, but there are probably a dozen or so that are made daily, at the very least.

What do you mean by Fodder?

I am only saying that it is likely that they are produced more easily in EVE then a large object on Earth so construction costs can not be compared.

Also something to do with build time some angry folks brought up.

Not sure why.

You actually said that assembly lines can pump one every hour and that is false as well.

No, i quoted exactly as you put it. On your original post

"* Nano Tech and Assembly Lines can Pump out Dreadnoughts every hour"

Well yeah, obivously, the Eve universe has nanomanufacturing, space-based mineral extraction & a heap of other crap we don't have here, so regular things probably cost the equivalent of a few cents.

Yay it is my original point. I missed you.

No, your original point was that an assembly line can make a dreadnought every hour. Its not an "imaginary" limit. If someone is "imagining" stuff here its you. The dreadnought bluepring clearly states the manufacturing time, and you can't get faster than 7 days with it.

Also, i think you might have meant that you can set up several assembly lines in such order that one dreadnought would be built every hour, but that example also applies for any assembly line, in science fiction or in the real world. So its moot.

But if you choose to believe that fine you win what ever thing you think you needed to win in your head to feel like you have a big *****

It's funny to think about it, working in SpaceMcDonalds, earning 10.5 isk per hour, wearing a uniform you could trade for a spaceship.

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Say you have some guy working at SpaceMcDonalds; does he make 10.50 ISK an Hour? Then, it doesn't seem so difficult for a regular person to make boatloads of money.

But teh question at its heart; If "Eve was Real", how much would 1 ISK be worth to a regular person?

Yeah this is a pointless question, but it bugs me.

Using the price of RL cruise missiles vs Eve cruise missiles, you get about 1 isk = $5000. This ended up being mostly accurate when I did further maths.