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Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company.
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Posted - 2011.10.30 16:17:00 -
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Say you have some guy working at SpaceMcDonalds; does he make 10.50 ISK an Hour? Then, it doesn't seem so difficult for a regular person to make boatloads of money.
But teh question at its heart; If "Eve was Real", how much would 1 ISK be worth to a regular person?
Yeah this is a pointless question, but it bugs me.
"Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?"
"How wrong you are" |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
238
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Posted - 2011.10.30 16:20:00 -
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It use to be said that 1 isk was equivalent to a household income for normal civilians. Isk was believed to be a Pod pilot only currency.
Granted this was years ago when I read this so memory might be abit fuzzy. Not only that CCP has already shot that lore dead. |
SilentSkills
Estrale Frontiers
14
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Posted - 2011.10.30 16:21:00 -
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1 isk is probably worth several times more than 1 dollar.
Average Dreadnaught costs 1 billion isk ish. A submarine costs about 1 bil usd. Now extrapolate sizes, technology, weaponry, and compare. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2011.10.30 16:21:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:?
Say you have some guy working at SpaceMcDonalds; does he make 10.50 ISK an Hour? Then, it doesn't seem so difficult for a regular person to make boatloads of money.
But teh question at its heart; If "Eve was Real", how much would 1 ISK be worth to a regular person?
Yeah this is a pointless question, but it bugs me.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
681
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Posted - 2011.10.30 16:22:00 -
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If only there was mining lasers in RL like they are in-game...
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Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company.
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Posted - 2011.10.30 16:23:00 -
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Chribba wrote:If only there was mining lasers in RL like they are in-game...
The Veldnaught could become a reality!
"Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?"
"How wrong you are" |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
256
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Posted - 2011.10.30 16:25:00 -
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A CCP someone that works with lore has once said that 1 million isk is enough for someone to retire at birth.
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~ Ronald Reagan |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.30 16:34:00 -
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I have this vague recollection (that I can't support or find any kind of source for) that it was said that the equivalent of 1,000 ISK was a fairly standard yearly income for a normal planetsider.
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Eebi
CONCORD Center of Research
Central Directorate of Intelligence
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Posted - 2011.10.30 16:36:00 -
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It's funny to think about it, working in SpaceMcDonalds, earning 10.5 isk per hour, wearing a uniform you could trade for a spaceship. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
256
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Posted - 2011.10.30 16:41:00 -
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You don't need to connect too many dots.
With a couple million ISK you can create a veritable industrial complex on any planet of your choosing, with command centers, storage silos, multiple extracting heads and one or more spaceports. And the staff required to run it all.
Space stuff is much much much more expensive than planet stuff.
GÇ£Status quo, you know, is Latin for 'the mess we're in.GÇ¥
~ Ronald Reagan |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
250
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Posted - 2011.10.30 16:44:00 -
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SilentSkills wrote:1 isk is probably worth several times more than 1 dollar.
Average Dreadnaught costs 1 billion isk ish. A submarine costs about 1 bil usd. Now extrapolate sizes, technology, weaponry, and compare.
You can not compare an Attack Sub to a Dreadnaught Build Cost.
* Minerals in EVE are Vacuumed out of Space at an incredible rate.
* The Minerals used to make the Sub need to be collected and transported over months, 1 Mining Barge can collect enough to build a Dread in less then a day.
* Nano Tech and Assembly Lines can Pump out Dreadnoughts every hour.
* It is possible that not many people are involved in building a Dread because of Automation.
* Since Dreads are run off an Assembly Line they will not need custom parts that have to be specially assembled instead of made on a production line.
It could possibly be cheaper to build that 3 KM Dreadnought then the 90m Sub.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.30 16:49:00 -
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My best guess is about 1200 USD this price is based on how much it costs to retire an entire family comfortably. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
256
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Posted - 2011.10.30 16:56:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:SilentSkills wrote:1 isk is probably worth several times more than 1 dollar.
Average Dreadnaught costs 1 billion isk ish. A submarine costs about 1 bil usd. Now extrapolate sizes, technology, weaponry, and compare. You can not compare an Attack Sub to a Dreadnaught Build Cost. * The Minerals used to make the Sub need to be collected and transported over months, 1 Mining Barge can collect enough to build a Dread in less then a day. * Nano Tech and Assembly Lines can Pump out Dreadnoughts every hour.
* The Minerals used to make the Sub need to be collected and transported over months, 1 Mining Barge can collect enough to build a Dread in less then a day. HUH?
* Nano Tech and Assembly Lines can Pump out Dreadnoughts every hour. HUH???????
GÇ£Status quo, you know, is Latin for 'the mess we're in.GÇ¥
~ Ronald Reagan |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.30 16:58:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:SilentSkills wrote:1 isk is probably worth several times more than 1 dollar.
Average Dreadnaught costs 1 billion isk ish. A submarine costs about 1 bil usd. Now extrapolate sizes, technology, weaponry, and compare. You can not compare an Attack Sub to a Dreadnaught Build Cost. * The Minerals used to make the Sub need to be collected and transported over months, 1 Mining Barge can collect enough to build a Dread in less then a day. * Nano Tech and Assembly Lines can Pump out Dreadnoughts every hour.
* The Minerals used to make the Sub need to be collected and transported over months, 1 Mining Barge can collect enough to build a Dread in less then a day. HUH? * Nano Tech and Assembly Lines can Pump out Dreadnoughts every hour. HUH???????
Ships are an extremly hard means of measure, advanced manufacutring techniques nullify alot of current technological limitations.
Instead of possbly over 800 companies working on a single dreadnaught eve ships only needs the efforts of two or possibly one even . |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
250
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:05:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:
* The Minerals used to make the Sub need to be collected and transported over months, 1 Mining Barge can collect enough to build a Dread in less then a day. HUH?
* Nano Tech and Assembly Lines can Pump out Dreadnoughts every hour. HUH???????
1. Mining Minerals on earth takes a lot longer then a Mining Barge which can just suck up the Minerals from an Asteroid Belt.
2. Nano Technology Repairs the Armor of a Ship so fast that a Myrmidon can tank Nuclear Weapons. So yeah if those Robots can repair a ship that fast it is no doubt that they are used in construction. As assembly lines you build components for Capitals then Assemble the Components which is what an Assembly Line is.
Answer your questions?
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:05:00 -
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Since we don't have spaceships IRL for a comparison, I'd pick some basic every day item for comparison.
A pair of boots costs ~20 mill isk. Assuming the same boots would cost 200 $ IRL, 100 000 isk would be one dollar.
A Space-McD employee would make a million an hour.
So if they'd sell Space Cruisers at Wall Mart, it would be around 50 bucks.
Quite reasonable, actually.
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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:11:00 -
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ISK, the spaceships play money, is worth much more than planetside currency. Capsuleers are incredibly rich and powerful in comparison.
ISK is also free from the real life forces that ensure that 100 dollars deposited in an account at 10% compound interest per annum for 100 years will be worth nothing.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:15:00 -
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if you really want to find out,
Check the insurance polocies of your crew. This would answer your question.
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:23:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Since we don't have spaceships IRL for a comparison, I'd pick some basic every day item for comparison.
A pair of boots costs ~20 mill isk. Assuming the same boots would cost 200 $ IRL, 100 000 isk would be one dollar.
A Space-McD employee would make a million an hour.
So if they'd sell Space Cruisers at Wall Mart, it would be around 50 bucks.
Quite reasonable, actually.
That would mean 2 dollars would buy you a Rifter which is equivalent to a Boeing 747.
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
256
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:24:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:
* The Minerals used to make the Sub need to be collected and transported over months, 1 Mining Barge can collect enough to build a Dread in less then a day. HUH?
* Nano Tech and Assembly Lines can Pump out Dreadnoughts every hour. HUH???????
1. Mining Minerals on earth takes a lot longer then a Mining Barge which can just suck up the Minerals from an Asteroid Belt. 2. Nano Technology Repairs the Armor of a Ship so fast that a Myrmidon can tank Nuclear Weapons. So yeah if those Robots can repair a ship that fast it is no doubt that they are used in construction. As assembly lines you build components for Capitals then Assemble the Components which is what an Assembly Line is. Answer your questions?
No.
I want to know in what pipedream you believe that:
1. Mining Barge can mine all the required minerals for a dread i one day
2. Dreadnought can be built in one hour.
Really, i almost fell out of my chair..
Building a dread takes well over two weeks. Mining the minerals for it with one mining barge... hehe.. i hope that barge is subbed for at least two months.
GÇ£Status quo, you know, is Latin for 'the mess we're in.GÇ¥
~ Ronald Reagan |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:25:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:Since we don't have spaceships IRL for a comparison, I'd pick some basic every day item for comparison.
A pair of boots costs ~20 mill isk. Assuming the same boots would cost 200 $ IRL, 100 000 isk would be one dollar.
A Space-McD employee would make a million an hour.
So if they'd sell Space Cruisers at Wall Mart, it would be around 50 bucks.
Quite reasonable, actually. That would mean 2 dollars would buy you a Rifter which is equivalent to a Boeing 747.
I bet the 99% would love that.
morons-áare recruiting. We're good at breeding! |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
238
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:32:00 -
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So comparing the price of a Rifter to the price of a Boeing 747(they are close in size) it comes out to roughly 1isk=$1520 USD. |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
251
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:34:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:
No.
I want to know in what pipedream you believe that:
1. Mining Barge can mine all the required minerals for a dread i one day
Mining 24/7 ABC ORE in a Covetor or Hulk, I don't know the numbers because I do not Mine but I doubt it would take much longer then a few days. I have not really kept up with Mining. Is it still 20 Million an Hour Max Skill with ABC?
Renan Ruivo wrote:
2. Dreadnought can be built in one hour.
Really, i almost fell out of my chair..
Building a dread takes well over two weeks. Mining the minerals for it with one mining barge... hehe.. i hope that barge is subbed for at least two months.
Duh, Assembly Line. Is there only one Dreadnaught being built at this station. I don't know exactly how many Factory slots a Station has but they can build an incredible ship in a short amount.
You did not think I was talking about one ship did you? |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:39:00 -
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In one mission (can't remember which it was 3 years ago) it was said that a few hundred thousand isk was more than the GDP of a planetary government.
Then again, that could have been a poor planet. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:39:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:SilentSkills wrote:1 isk is probably worth several times more than 1 dollar.
Average Dreadnaught costs 1 billion isk ish. A submarine costs about 1 bil usd. Now extrapolate sizes, technology, weaponry, and compare. You can not compare an Attack Sub to a Dreadnaught Build Cost. * Minerals in EVE are Vacuumed out of Space at an incredible rate. * The Minerals used to make the Sub need to be collected and transported over months, 1 Mining Barge can collect enough to build a Dread in less then a day. * Nano Tech and Assembly Lines can Pump out Dreadnoughts every hour. * It is possible that not many people are involved in building a Dread because of Automation. * Since Dreads are run off an Assembly Line they will not need custom parts that have to be specially assembled instead of made on a production line. It could possibly be cheaper to build that 3 KM Dreadnought then the 90m Sub.
Actually, we technically can. Think about it.
Dreadnaught costs 1 billion isk
submarine costs about 1 bil usd
Note that SilentSkills said that if you take into account size, technology, and weaponry, then this will mean that it will take several or more earth made submarines to be able to equal the cost of just a single Dreadnought should USD be converted to ISK. So, 1 ISK = a boatload of USD.
The same can be said for a Rifter in New Eden and a 747 Jumbo Jet here on Earth. They are both the same size and perhaps the same weight, but the level of technology between the two and weaponry will mean that it will cost several or more 747 Jumbo Jets to equal the production costs of just one Rifter (and this is comparing to a T1 frigate). |
Calapine
Xeno Tech Corp
Flatline.
45
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:42:00 -
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Considering I payed Gé¼ 29.95 for a knee-length tartan skirt at H&M and 300 million ISK for Women's 'Structure' Skirt in Jita I'd say an ISK equals about 0.0000099833 euro cent.
Cala |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
251
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:46:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:
Note that SilentSkills said] that if you take into account size, technology, and weaponry, then this will mean that it will take several or more earth made submarines to be able to equal the cost of just a single Dreadnought should USD be converted to ISK. So, 1 ISK = a boatload of USD.
And as I showed that could be completely mistaken and that Sub could be more expensive then the Dreadnaught.
Henry Haphorn wrote:
The same can be said for a Rifter in New Eden and a 747 Jumbo Jet here on Earth. They are both the same size and perhaps the same weight, but the level of technology between the two and weaponry will mean that it will cost several or more 747 Jumbo Jets to equal the production costs of just one Rifter (and this is comparing to a T1 frigate).
Says who.
Production on Earth does not have Nanobots that put ships together. Earth also can not Vacumm 8000m2 of Metal out of a Rock in 15min. A Rifter could cost 1 tenth as much as a 747 to produce.
Henry Haphorn wrote:
Actually, we technically can. Think about it.
I did, conclusion you can not.
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Drifterin Thedark
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:46:00 -
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About tree fiddy. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
256
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:46:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:
No.
I want to know in what pipedream you believe that:
1. Mining Barge can mine all the required minerals for a dread i one day
Mining 24/7 ABC ORE in a Covetor or Hulk, I don't know the numbers because I do not Mine but I doubt it would take much longer then a day or 2. Renan Ruivo wrote:
2. Dreadnought can be built in one hour.
Really, i almost fell out of my chair..
Building a dread takes well over two weeks. Mining the minerals for it with one mining barge... hehe.. i hope that barge is subbed for at least two months.
Duh, Assembly Line. Is there only one Dreadnaught being built at this station. I don't know exactly how many Factory slots a Station has but they can build an incredible ship in a short amount. You did not think I was talking about one ship did you?
Mining for a dreadnought takes a hell of a lot longer than 2 days if you're using only one ship. If you don't know the numbers please stop guessing.
And a dreadnought is built in two parts: The components and the ship itself.
A revelation takes 12 components and the build time for each is more or less 4 hours. If you could dedicate 12 assembly lines to building one each all at the same time, you would have the components built in less than a day.
BUT, the ship itself takes 2 weeks to build. You cannot dedicate separate assembly lines to assemble one unit. Its like trying to build a car in two separate lines. You can't cut the chassis in half, build on them and connect the two later.
And another thing.. if all you mine is ABC ore than it will take you a hell of a lot LONGER to build the dread than if you knew what you were supposed to be mining.
So again, if you don't know how its done stop taking guesses however educated you think they might be 
GÇ£Status quo, you know, is Latin for 'the mess we're in.GÇ¥
~ Ronald Reagan |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
150
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:48:00 -
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ISK are used in place of the various planetary and national currencies to knock zeroes off the end of transactions. The average office worker would be lucky if he makes a couple of ISK a year.
Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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