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Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
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Posted - 2013.09.16 11:40:00 -
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Neesha Marinn wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:
I've got a 100000 navy faction tungsten ammo M sitting at Dodixie at the lowest price and no one is buying it.
But my main reason is that I find the market too complex is that everyone in a region buys for less than they sell apart from NPC Quaffe sales. So you can't never just buy something and sell it a few systems over at a profit that isn't tiny. And half the time I've tried to sell anything someone in half an hour has come along and undercut it.
Did you buy the Tungsten with LP? If so, here is a tip to see how LP is better spent (if going for ammo). Ask yourself, what is the favored hybrid ammo for 95% of the guys that PvP? Antimatter. Take a little risk and sell that one jump into lowsec, or one jump out of it in spots relatively distant from good trade hubs (and where PvP takes place frequently obviously), at a slightly higher price than tradehubs, so that those who'd like to restock don't always have to send their alts across a gazillion jumps to pick some up. You'll ditch your stacks in no time. No one buys Tungsten enough to justify buying that with LP. Alternatively, there are quite a few other goods you can get rid off superfast that cost more LP and require some ISK input but will increase your gains.
then how the hell am I supposed to get rid of this stuff?
damnit someones come and undercut me again.
Its going to impossible to sell this stuff at a decent price |
Neesha Marinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
133
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Posted - 2013.09.16 11:43:00 -
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Daler Farmon wrote:
U r kind of gamers that plays this f*cking game for the whole day non stop!!! Am I right? As a newbie he should do mining, probably sh*tty lvl2-lvl3 mission every day for 4-5 hours minimum during the 2-3 weeks to make enough isks to get PLEX. Does he want it? At the beginning I'm alright to buy some PLEX and its addition income to CCP for future improvements. PPLs like u make developers work on sh*tty salary and make them go to other projects. Some ppls simply play games for fun, and its not job to play it whole day just to be able to play it another day.. WTF.
No, i'm not.
Full time job. Social life. The sun is fun as well.
Stop being a ridiculously oblivious douchebag because someone calls you out on the crap you spout.
Did I say he can buy his first plex in his first month? no.
Should he aim for that? no.
I come from an eve age where RMT was non existant.
Everybody had to start earning their keep and I can GUARANTEE it's nowhere near as hard as you claim - ESPECIALLY these days.
Start small, focus on small.
I have always played for fun and I still do.
Adjust your spending towards what you can afford and what you can do and PLEX isk will be overkill early on.
You are poison in these newbee threads and just need to keep on buying your PLEX, stay incompetent but for god sake, please don't try to rub off on others.
Get your 2013 face out of here. |
Daler Farmon
Dark Angel's Legion
Nite's Reign
3
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Posted - 2013.09.16 11:48:00 -
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Neesha Marinn wrote:Daler Farmon wrote:
U r kind of gamers that plays this f*cking game for the whole day non stop!!! Am I right? As a newbie he should do mining, probably sh*tty lvl2-lvl3 mission every day for 4-5 hours minimum during the 2-3 weeks to make enough isks to get PLEX. Does he want it? At the beginning I'm alright to buy some PLEX and its addition income to CCP for future improvements. PPLs like u make developers work on sh*tty salary and make them go to other projects. Some ppls simply play games for fun, and its not job to play it whole day just to be able to play it another day.. WTF.
No, i'm not. Full time job. Social life. The sun is fun as well. Stop being a ridiculously oblivious douchebag because someone calls you out on the crap you spout. Did I say he can buy his first plex in his first month? no. Should he aim for that? no. I come from an eve age where RMT was non existant. Everybody had to start earning their keep and I can GUARANTEE it's nowhere near as hard as you claim - ESPECIALLY these days. Start small, focus on small. I have always played for fun and I still do. Adjust your spending towards what you can afford and what you can do and PLEX isk will be overkill early on. You are poison in these newbee threads and just need to keep on buying your PLEX, stay incompetent but for god sake, please don't try to rub off on others.
I didnt say he should buy tons of PLEX. U took my comment like I asked him to put all his finance in to this game. No I didnt ask for that. U started it long time ago and that was a long time ago. Now its now, and its really difficult to make ISK to get PLEX for newbie. I'm newbie and I know that. As I said he needs to play 4-5 hours daily within 2-3 weeks to make ISKs... I dont want to play daily 5 hours and do what I dont like to do (i.e mining).
P.S. Im not running on u, it was an answer to your comment like "getting out of this thread"
PPS. The best advice for u, open new acc and see how u will be able to get PLEX, u "dear amazing socially active man". |
Neesha Marinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
133
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Posted - 2013.09.16 11:59:00 -
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Daler Farmon wrote:Now its now, and its really difficult to make ISK to get PLEX for newbie.
P.S. Im not running on u, it was an answer to your comment like "getting out of this thread"
Now, my friend, is glory days to make ISK compared to then.
The amount of options you get to make ISK next to the old existing methods are better in some fields than they were.
You shouldn't focus on making isk for a PLEX early on.
This is imo what every newbee should do:
- Have a plan to work towards (op has that *check)
- Teach yourself a fitting method of ISK generation.
You can do your own missions. Standings are always useful.
You can buy low-sell high with minimal ISK and minimal patience, you can dabble in faction warfare and rake in LP while getting your feet wet in frigates (you can practically avoid PvP all together while you do so if that's not your thing).
You could mine while you read up on resources, talk to friends, watch a movie or some such.
You can salvage a corpmate's L4 missions, maybe someone in a corp you're in or could join (talking 10-20m easily per mission).
- Spend accordingly to your level of SP and wallet.
- Network. Make friends of varying skill-levels.
Grow from there. Everything only gets increasingly better. |
Frank Pannon
Jade Pork Assasins
71
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Posted - 2013.09.16 12:01:00 -
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I strongly advise AGAINST buying PLEX for the purpose of sustaining your PVP activities, or buying the shiny ship/module you desire. PLEX should be there to allow you to play for 30 days.
One of the most rewarding aspects of this game is getting better, learning stuff, and gaining from it. Do NOT rob yourself of this experience, you will get jaded, and your gaming experience will be hollow. Getting from rags to riches is fun!
- do some PI (on alt or your main, can be done on same account)
- do some market supply
- sprinkle in some exploration,
it should more than cover the PvP needs for a starter player.
And most of all ... do what is fun for you! |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
618
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Posted - 2013.09.16 12:48:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:xKesterx wrote:Sin Pew wrote:What the guy didn't get, is that you're never locked into one single career in EVE unless you lock yourself into it. A good bunch of friends to play with can make even mining, an entertaining moment.
Trying to do just one thing to gather some wealth, will just lead to a burnout or boredom. It also takes a lot more time to do well alone. There again, doing stuff with corpmates can change a lot on the perceived entertainment and help even the newest players getting a grasp on stuff earlier than they would if trying to figure it out by themselves. This. Also joining corpmates on higher level missions than you can solo is a great way to gain experience and top up your isk. I'm already at level 4s solo so its not too bad. Its just that they take so long to do.
I'm getting them done in about an hour for the harder ones, less for the easier ones. Sure, it's not the L3s that i was finishing in 15 min flat, but it's not that bad.
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Andracin
Sickology
234
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Posted - 2013.09.16 12:55:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Andracin wrote:
4)PVP is not supposed to be an isk faucet, its an isk sink. If you expect engaging in an activity that blows stuff up to make your money, you need to lay off the drugs.
It can make you good isk. Very good isk.
Once you get good, yes, especially in your line of work. As a completely new player to the game still learning the mechanics...not so much. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
618
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Posted - 2013.09.16 12:59:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:then how the hell am I supposed to get rid of this stuff?
damnit someones come and undercut me again.
Its going to impossible to sell this stuff at a decent price
Sell it to a buy order, accept your losses and next time do some research on what sells and what doesn't before investing a bunch of ISK into something that barely sells at all.
This isn't the fault of the market, it's because you didn't check whether the item you were trading was in demand or not (hint Tungsten faction ammo isn't)
A cursory check of the Sinq Laison market shows that the volume of Tungsten M traded is a couple of orders of magnitude less than Antimatter M. In short, you invested in something that moves very slowly and has fairly low demand. |
Lilliana Stelles
894
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Posted - 2013.09.16 13:07:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:embrel wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:
I'm already at level 4s solo so its not too bad. Its just that they take so long to do.
do you use a sentry ship? since I bought a Dominix, L4's have become very comfortable. no raven
What type of DPS are you getting out of it?
Ravens are usually overtanked, too slow moving, and don't hit small targets quite hard enough.
I've found that an autocannon Machariel or Maelstrom can get most missions done in about 15-25 minutes depending on difficulty. Enemies abound Part V and some others being exceptions (ones where you have to wait around for spawns).
Raven is very forgiving but far from ideal.
Incarna from 2009. 3 Years later and what we have doesn't look half as good as this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n41s1Iox18A |
Sin Pew
Dakini Rising
246
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Posted - 2013.09.16 13:09:00 -
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Daler Farmon wrote:@Sin Pew, agree with your latest post. However, OP says: Harris Girvan wrote: I am willing to actually put in the time and effort to make the ISK but I want to know the most time and work effective methods to achieve this. This toon has relatively low SP less than two million but it is generally well balanced in most areas. He is willing to train and not rushing. So, OP put Incursion as your goal and go with that. All the rest things s*cks. Go with missions at the beginning until your skills is up for Incursion. If u r running out of isks, its fine for newbie. Dont be cheap, get some PLEX and sell them. Don't f*uck your game experience for some 20$
Strictly speaking, aiming for incursions as a long term goal is perfectly fine, but the guy also has to have some fun and occupation in the meantime, don't you think?
When focusing purely on numbers, incursions are a fairly good money maker in game considering the lack of risk, but even as a spanking new player, there are many opportunities to fund a "new player level" content and amply more when, that's the major point, teaming up with others.
If people want to use PLEX bought with RL money to fuel their game, by all means, let them do. There's tons of bought characters with pimped ships all over EVE-kill.
What I find irritating, is the lingering discourse that there's nothing to do in EVE without one year worth of SP and a multi-billion wallet. Buying PLEX for ISK, creates a false sense of wealth that results in people leaving the game because they don't know how to play it. Just like sticking to missions for a year just to wait until the guy can hop into a deadspace fitted Vindicator is likely to drive him off.
EVE is a very complex and rich game, there are numerous examples of setups that can generate billions with very few skillpoints, but there's an important point to figure about these: they're pulled off by experienced players. Sure RL money can buy ISK and thus, buy skilled characters and assets, but it doesn't replace in-game experience and even impacts learning it, in a negative way.
Hence my stance, the best experience, is to find a good corp with experienced players and actually learn from them. You can learn a lot and earn a lot by playing with others, instead of trying to play the game like SWG, because there's no ultimate skillset and combo to be the best at EVE, since there's simply no best and no endgame (unless making billions per week is your endgame, but then, what's the point of being space-rich if you do nothing with it?).
Given that losses are definitive in EVE and almost inevitable, a young player with limited assets has little to lose in the beginning if supported by a good corp, whatever he loses can be made up again through taging along. He can dip his fingers in diverse activities otherwise denied to him on his own for lack of experience or SP.
Overall, SP and ISK means little in EVE, as it can't make up for player experience and that's all the difference between someone who can rip benefits from shared experiences and someone rage-quitting over a gank.
"haiku are easy,
But sometimes they don't make sense,
Refrigerator." |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
305
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Posted - 2013.09.16 13:13:00 -
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The best things to trade are things that are used and lost every day.
SO, essentially, pvp supplies.
In FW lowsec? Sell cruisers, frigates (t1 and t2) battlecruisers, and mostly named fittings. Add to that ammo/drones/paste/cap charges and you have a diverse 'basket' to invest in.
In NPC 0.0? Sell interdictors, warp bubbles, interceptors, and lots of t2 drones.
It's all about the research, as others have said, but those are some good generalisations to get you started.
TIP: When I started, I was moving brutixes loaded with t2 drones (100 or so in cargo) with 6x WCS in lows. This was to lowsec, and was before the days of heavy interdictors, so it would take a particularly good gatecamp to catch me. Looking back now, it was incredibly inefficient, certainly was interesting though. |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
11
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Posted - 2013.09.16 13:34:00 -
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So i think there has been one really big glaring thing missing from this whole discussion.
Making isk is good and well and there are many options.
The trick is to save money by having a pvp or whatever playing style that matches that income. And you can have fun with quite low income.
So if your only making 100M per month don't be going out in Battle Cruisers. Even cruisers tend to be at the high end. Hell even t2 frigates are going to take a bite out of that. But you can afford to lose one or 2 a month. Stick with frigates and be cheap about it. I love flying my 2-5M rifters. Hell t1 frigs with 1M skill points are still plenty of fun.
Otherwise i have found a sold income with WH PI. I have dual trained my other toons so i can have 5 planets x 3 characters (seriously don't bother with lvl 5 unless you really need it). Making about 500M per month. Just got to watch for bombers and cloaky t3s at the customs. I could optimize more and probably make more... But meh..
But seriously the trick to having enough isk is like having enough money in RL. Its about not spending what you don't have. If you expecting to fly a nightmare with officer mods you going to need a lot of isk coming in and every man and his dog wants to kill you. Small T1 ships are small and cheap.... and still loads of fun. |
Jessi Burns
Yancey and Bruns Incorporated
0
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Posted - 2013.09.16 13:43:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:I've been playing of 3 months and I'm still pretty much broke. The market is too complex and there is always going to be someone who instantly undercuts you. Mission running goes so boring. Exploration takes too long and so often the rewards aren't worth it. And you can never make a profit from pvp when your new. mining and industry is slow and often not worth it.
In other words unless you want to spend hours grinding then plex really is the only way to make money. This gain panders relentlessly to the old player base and dooms new players to oblivion.
I find this post to be incredibly negative and false. This weekend I spent about 6 hours fleet pvping (plexing when I wasn't needed) and made 90mil profit. Critical thing to take into account is that I'm a very new character. If you aren't making money in this game it's because you're either lazy or inept. |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
11
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Posted - 2013.09.16 13:59:00 -
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Quote:If you aren't making money in this game it's because you're either lazy or inept.
I think that is a little unfair. For a lot of new players, its meeting the right people. That is being in a corp or group can help a lot. Knowing what and where you can and can't make isk is stuff that is not really easy to google.
Eve is a MMO and getting the right group of M for you is an important part of success in this game. More so for new players where the tutorials are just not a very good introduction to eve. |
Neesha Marinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
133
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Posted - 2013.09.16 13:59:00 -
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Daler Farmon wrote:
PPS. The best advice for u, open new acc and see how u will be able to get PLEX, u "dear amazing socially active man".
My dear oblivious little nublet.
I *have* new accounts, with around 1.5m sp.
They *do* operate on their own and make their own ISK.
One month from now? They can fund themselves.
But hey!
Keep buying PLEX man! CCP will love you for it. I'll buy them from you with my own home made ISK.
:D
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Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
40
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Posted - 2013.09.16 14:38:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:embrel wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:
I'm already at level 4s solo so its not too bad. Its just that they take so long to do.
do you use a sentry ship? since I bought a Dominix, L4's have become very comfortable. no raven What type of DPS are you getting out of it? Ravens are usually overtanked, too slow moving, and don't hit small targets quite hard enough. I've found that an autocannon Machariel or Maelstrom can get most missions done in about 15-25 minutes depending on difficulty. Enemies abound Part V and some others being exceptions (ones where you have to wait around for spawns). Raven is very forgiving but far from ideal.
Ok its a navy raven.
just below 500 with cruiser missiles, add about 50 or so with the drones. Generally I engage battleships-cruisers with the missiles then let the drones take out any frigates that engage me. I try to keep the enemy at range of about 40-70 to keep damage down as tank is a problem.
Elena Thiesant wrote:
I'm getting them done in about an hour for the harder ones, less for the easier ones. Sure, it's not the L3s that i was finishing in 15 min flat, but it's not that bad.
I'm probadly doing the same but I have to go back to the station, get the noctis and salavage so it takes a bit further onto each mission. |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
40
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Posted - 2013.09.16 14:46:00 -
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Jessi Burns wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:I've been playing of 3 months and I'm still pretty much broke. The market is too complex and there is always going to be someone who instantly undercuts you. Mission running goes so boring. Exploration takes too long and so often the rewards aren't worth it. And you can never make a profit from pvp when your new. mining and industry is slow and often not worth it.
In other words unless you want to spend hours grinding then plex really is the only way to make money. This gain panders relentlessly to the old player base and dooms new players to oblivion. I find this post to be incredibly negative and false. This weekend I spent about 6 hours fleet pvping (plexing when I wasn't needed) and made 90mil profit. Critical thing to take into account is that I'm a very new character. If you aren't making money in this game it's because you're either lazy or inept.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1675337
I'm not in a fleet or in FW. I just go to these areas to fight and die |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
22
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Posted - 2013.09.16 16:10:00 -
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Paul Strikes Again! Now if only I could find those T2 weapon skills.... |
Sin Pew
Dakini Rising
249
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Posted - 2013.09.16 16:26:00 -
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Thanatos Marathon wrote:Paul Strikes Again! Now if only I could find those T2 weapon skills....
He even trained T2 rockets now he's done with the L4 boat 
"haiku are easy,
But sometimes they don't make sense,
Refrigerator." |
Jessi Burns
Yancey and Bruns Incorporated
0
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Posted - 2013.09.16 16:27:00 -
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If you are not prepared to fight and win (I definitely am not) it is fairly easy to plex quiet systems for easy lp. Easy lp = easy money. |
Ranlea Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.16 16:47:00 -
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Best of luck in establishing yourself Harris. It is never easy in any MMO that has an established player base.
A personal view is to not worry overmuch about gold, plat, Isk etc at this stage on the assumption you are fairly new (like me). Just focus on leveling up which I think in this game means earning enough to pay for the skill books you need to level, and focus on one thing at a time.
Don't fly anything you cannot afford to loose - which includes factoring in the cost of equipping it plus insurance if you feel that is relevant
Quests (Missions I think they are called here) may well give rewards, especially the tutorials
It is a game (not a job)
PS, I remember when I started playing Guild Wars 2 - anyone else play that here ? .........Well when it launched last August as a brand new game a few players had a lot of gold early on (and not all purchased it via gems either) Well that was mostly got via trading.........but I suspect here that might be harder and more capital intensive...........well I did OK there by just salvaging everything I could and selling it (wood, ore etc)
Here mining might be ok but to start it can be slow, and take 3 months or so to have a good state of the art ship
So here in Eve online (and unlike some "other MMOs" you cannot level up in 2 or 3 weeks........patience is the key.
Hope this helps |
Cara Forelli
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.09.16 20:07:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:I'm not in a fleet or in FW. I just go to these areas to fight and die
This has essentially been your problem all along. I understand that you like your corp, but if they aren't doing the things you want to do in the game you are only hurting yourself by staying with them.
For the OP, trading is a great way for new players to get income with almost no skills (it can even be done on an alt with half a day's training!) Many of the older players forget that you are still learning about different items, so no, it's not always obvious what will make a good trade. But don't listen to other young players who had bad experiences. Start small and put isk into a wide range of items until you get a feel for what is likely to sell and what isn't.
This is a great page to get you started.
This page will help you select good items to trade.
www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com |
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