Don't forget the market. For a newer player looking to get involved in eve, deep space transport can be pretty lucrative, exciting, and rewarding (knowing you're helping a war effort or somesuch).

Just make sure you know how to conduct yourself safely through dangerous space before you try it. You can start in hi-sec, but the margins are not as good, takes much more 'paperwork' to figure out where your profits are.

Sounds interesting, could you go into some more detail?

Get an industrial.
Buy low at the source, sell high someplace else.
In certain areas of lowsec and nullsec, you can essentially corner the market.

Does that not involve several toons to run effectively or do you mean traveling to a system, taking a screenshot of the market data then rushing to Jita to return to the previous system?

I've been playing of 3 months and I'm still pretty much broke. The market is too complex and there is always going to be someone who instantly undercuts you. Mission running goes so boring. Exploration takes too long and so often the rewards aren't worth it. And you can never make a profit from pvp when your new. mining and industry is slow and often not worth it.

In other words unless you want to spend hours grinding then plex really is the only way to make money. This gain panders relentlessly to the old player base and dooms new players to oblivion.

To TS; Get some Incursion ship with nice fit and make isks. How about 4 bill isks/day? Does it sound good to u or its not enough..)

What the guy didn't get, is that you're never locked into one single career in EVE unless you lock yourself into it. A good bunch of friends to play with can make even mining, an entertaining moment.

Trying to do just one thing to gather some wealth, will just lead to a burnout or boredom. It also takes a lot more time to do well alone. There again, doing stuff with corpmates can change a lot on the perceived entertainment and help even the newest players getting a grasp on stuff earlier than they would if trying to figure it out by themselves.

This.

Also joining corpmates on higher level missions than you can solo is a great way to gain experience and top up your isk.

[quote=Daler Farmon]In other words new players who haven't trained up can't do incursions.

I'm already at level 4s solo so its not too bad. Its just that they take so long to do.

I've been playing of 3 months and I'm still pretty much broke. The market is too complex and there is always going to be someone who instantly undercuts you. Mission running goes so boring. Exploration takes too long and so often the rewards aren't worth it. And you can never make a profit from pvp when your new. mining and industry is slow and often not worth it.

In other words unless you want to spend hours grinding then plex really is the only way to make money. This gain panders relentlessly to the old player base and dooms new players to oblivion.

do you use a sentry ship?

since I bought a Dominix, L4's have become very comfortable.

I've been playing of 3 months and I'm still pretty much broke. The market is too complex and there is always going to be someone who instantly undercuts you. Mission running goes so boring. Exploration takes too long and so often the rewards aren't worth it. And you can never make a profit from pvp when your new. mining and industry is slow and often not worth it.

In other words unless you want to spend hours grinding then plex really is the only way to make money. This gain panders relentlessly to the old player base and dooms new players to oblivion.

I am willing to actually put in the time and effort to make the ISK but I want to know the most time and work effective methods to achieve this. This toon has relatively low SP less than two million but it is generally well balanced in most areas.

@Sin Pew, agree with your latest post. However, OP says:



He is willing to train and not rushing. So, OP put Incursion as your goal and go with that. All the rest things s*cks. Go with missions at the beginning until your skills is up for Incursion. If u r running out of isks, its fine for newbie. Dont be cheap, get some PLEX and sell them. Don't f*uck your game experience for some 20$

4)PVP is not supposed to be an isk faucet, its an isk sink. If you expect engaging in an activity that blows stuff up to make your money, you need to lay off the drugs.

This post is so full of horse crap you can smell it from jita to rens.

1) the market is not complex. it is simple and with 10m isk you can start as a new player and make a profit. If you don't have the time to play the .01 ISK game, go to Amarr, Hek, Dodixie, Rens. Jita is a 2000 person system probably 1900 of them are station trading. Go to another hub where you can buy and manipulate. For example I went to hek with my alt and bought every single feint warp disruptor on the market and reposted them for 20% profit and held that margin un-challenged for almost a week at which point I sold out of them and moved to other items..

This is what you say.

Dont be cheap, but be lazy! Buy ISK with RL cash.
Forget to learn what independancy is and just empty your wallet on x PLEX each month to be able to 'have fun', while you can actually easily afford your newbee stuff with - THATS RIGHT - newbee activities.

You know what buying PLEX does?
Creates incompetency in the long run.
It also denies you from the satisfaction of being able to fund yourself INGAME and actually eventually earn your own PLEX and say screw it to buying PLEX with cash - you'll afford your monthly fees with ISK.

Get out of this thread please.

I've got a 100000 navy faction tungsten ammo M sitting at Dodixie at the lowest price and no one is buying it.

But my main reason is that I find the market too complex is that everyone in a region buys for less than they sell apart from NPC Quaffe sales. So you can't never just buy something and sell it a few systems over at a profit that isn't tiny. And half the time I've tried to sell anything someone in half an hour has come along and undercut it.