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FloppieTheBanjoClown
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Posted - 2011.11.01 21:24:00 -
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Because I've got a dark, twisted side of my personality that doesn't get to come out and play in the real world.
I learned when I was young that I was quite good at doing bad things. I was also smart enough to NOT do many of the bad things I'd have liked to do, because prison doesn't sound like the sort of place I want to spend a significant portion of my life. I'm a model citizen with a wife and kids and mortgage and I haven't even had a traffic ticket in years...but there's a part of me that revels in creating chaos and I satiate that part with video games. Eve is the perfect place for a person like me to finally throw off any pretense of morality and let my darker impulses go for a while. |
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Posted - 2011.11.01 21:52:00 -
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Justin Credulent wrote:The fact is, you're a real person and your real actions affect other real persons.
....Who are staring at internet spaceship pixels, just like me. If they are so messed up they can't shrug off bad things happening to them in games, they don't need to be playing multiplayer games. If you want a game where you are in complete control and nothing bad ever happens to you, don't play games with other people. Because I WILL *gasp* try to win. And my win conditions might not be the same as yours.
Justin Credulent wrote:All this "I'm not like this in real life, I'm just a douchebag in a game, so it doesn't count cuz it's just a game on the Interwebs" doesn't fly. If you are a douchebag in the game, then you are a douchebag, period.
Who I am in real life is of no concern to you, but I can tell you that no one who knows me (except those few who know how I play Eve) would agree with you. They'd probably tell you about...oh it doesn't matter. Nothing I could tell you about my real life would sway your opinion that someone who chooses to play the bad guy in a video game is a bad guy in real life. |
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Morganta wrote:lol, sadly my stage electrician instincts would instantly kick in and my buddy would get clubbed across the room with a 2x4 or whatever bulky wooden object was readily at hand.... to save his dumb life of course.
An electrician should know that's not what electrocution looks like :p |
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Posted - 2011.11.01 22:39:00 -
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Justin Credulent wrote:And as for "perspective": It's not just "space cash" you're losing. Subscriptions aren't free, and CCP does not just give ISK away - you have to work for it, which requires real time and effort.
As I said in my previous post, and which you selectively ignored:
You're playing a game WITH OTHER PEOPLE. They might do things to you which negatively impact your gameplay in order to win. That's part of competitive games, beating the other guy. And in Eve, there is no set win condition, meaning that winning for me might be blowing up your stuff.
If you want to grind for years and build stuff without risk of it being messed up, Eve isn't the game for you. If you accept that risk, you need to grow up and stop calling people names just because we choose to play a game in a different way than you do. Honestly, you're being childish. |
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Posted - 2011.11.02 00:19:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:The second is the "asshat". The just just mess with folks to mess with folks. These are the low life gankers and griefers that believe that because Eve is a "sandbox" their actions are justifiable and moral. The "I can get away with it so it must be OK folks". These folks are easy to spot with their "I love your tears" posts and general perference for combat where they have an overwhelming advantage or destruction of basically undefended targets. These folks do it just to inflict pain on another, not for any other in game reward. These are the Eve equivalents of folks that key randon other folks cars for grins.
I've been heavily involved in the griefing of incursions lately. It's been incredibly profitable for us, and has a number of motives which I have discussed elsewhere. But to those we've ganked, they simply view it as heartless griefing. THEY think we're the type of people you describe. We see ourselves very differently, as we know our true motives.
Don't be so arrogant as to think you know what goes on in the minds of others. |
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Posted - 2011.11.02 00:27:00 -
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Michael Holmes Holmes wrote:IAll you griefers need to get over yourselves and anyone that says "I have deep seated needs to be evil that this game allows me to release" needs to get help.
I don't "need" to be evil, I just rather enjoy it. It's like flexing a muscle I don't often get to use.
In the past couple of months I've come to know a lot of griefers. What I've seen is generally they don't make any effort to get tears out of their victims, and most of us respect those players who don't cry about lost ships or stolen goods. In fact, when we ganked the battleship of an old acquaintance of mine (I didn't have time to figure out where I knew his name from), we reconnected and I helped him out a bit because he was in a tight spot after losing his incursion ship. He was relaxed about the whole matter and we talked for a while afterward.
It's when the victim starts making a scene that we all get some popcorn and sit down to watch, and sometimes to encourage them to get even more irate. And I must admit, it makes for a much more interesting story when you tell it to your friends. |
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Posted - 2011.11.02 00:35:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:kind of off topic but still
Its hard to imagine an 10 people strong fleet buffer tanked with logis support being compared to exhumer/barges or solo active tanked tengu with 16k ehp
And well Issler Dainzel wasnt talking about your "little adventure" specifically it was more like an generalization and in that case it was well written the part i bolded clearly defines such group.
So if you did it because of different reasons you clearly do not go under this particular section.
My point is, he might be putting a label on people without understanding their motives.
I've ganked and seen ganked a lot more than just incursion ships. The goons are out wrecking ice miners because it drives up the price of blue ice products. A lot of time gankers are out there doing things because it benefits them (or someone paying them) in ways you don't understand.
I know a guy who set out to take over a highsec industrial alliance that was about to be formed. He knew the whole thing centered around one miner who had organized the whole thing. He paid a substantial amount of money to have that miner's orca and exhumers ganked and his corp wardec'ed by a pirate corp in order to keep him from being able to form the alliance. That way, he was able to offer up his own corp as the head and establish himself as the leader. To anyone else, they were just random acts of violence. To the few of us who know the whole story, it was a hostile takeover. Motive is often hidden. Sometimes it's not even known by the person(s) hired to carry out an act. |
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Posted - 2011.11.02 03:49:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:A great deal of corp thefts are due to embarrassingly poor corp management.
Fixed that :)
Every corp theft I've seen was the fault of the corp allowing someone access to assets they didn't need access to. |
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