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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2013.09.17 05:11:00 -
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I know the sort by price or mistaking digit scammery in the market pretty well.. will even admit to selling a few 500 million(not thousand) isk expanded holds and paying 350 thousand (not million) for a few plex ! (on the market.. not after building trust with a real person via a convo and a contract trade scam)
But, this guy has got some real optomism !
Please.. whovever you are... should you ever bag a guy with 559 billion sitting in one wallet who makes that mistake.... please post it here !
That would outdo almost all the sociopathic betrayals after spending months talking to real people and acting like you were their freind every night... .... There have been a few grabs of 500 billion I think.. but that one .... lol ohhhhh that would be choice !
What is the brokers listing commision on 559 billion? My Jita alt is down around .31 % which would make ... what in the 1.5 BILLION range just to list the ship ?
THAT seems like a long odds bet..... hoping someone will have 559 billion in one wallet division?!
Anyone think there is even a 1 in 100 chance of that coming through? (all he needs is 1 in 350 ish odds for the probablity to match the price he paid for the ticket... but ....
Do you guys think that any of the people with trillion isk fortunes ever have over 100 billion in one account other than for a few moments to make some legendary characer, a t2 bpo.. or to take a screen shot of their "odometer" before redistributing the funds for saftey ( lapses of attention and fat key, hitting enter when your cat jumps on the keyboard or you try to hide the game from your wife etc..) |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy
Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2013.09.17 05:17:00 -
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I would imagine its an RMT thing/ isk laundering |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination
Nulli Secunda
438
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Posted - 2013.09.17 07:04:00 -
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I, too, am surprised at how many ISK doublers, PLEX contracters, "skillbook as subsystems" sellers, 0.1 ISK buyers, margin scammers, and so on and so forth, there are in this game, but by logic, they have to get enough from it to continue.
If you use a trial account or an alt, it's still enough effort to mean that you expect returns.
If those returns never come, you're not gonna continue these "deals you can't refuse". So they have to get enough to at least "break even" in terms of both fun-value/tear-value to effort and ISK to ISK.
What I find worse to contemplate on than all the scammers, though, is the less intelligent who supply them.
The same goes for the goon recruitment scam and all other scams where the info should be out there to know you're being scammed. You must be one kind of "not very bright" (in 5 letters) or "not very aware of your surroundings and the end of the human digestive system" (in 7 letters) to fall for some of these scams, since they have been documentet all across EVE. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4334
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Posted - 2013.09.17 07:10:00 -
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559B Orca = (fat finger caused 0 autorepeat | RMTing ISK at large alliance level)
I am more oriented to consider it a major RMT injection, someone wants to become | return being relevant in sov space and got good dollars to show.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
110
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Posted - 2013.09.17 07:30:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:I, too, am surprised at how many ISK doublers, PLEX contracters, "skillbook as subsystems" sellers, 0.1 ISK buyers, margin scammers, and so on and so forth, there are in this game, but by logic, they have to get enough from it to continue.
If you use a trial account or an alt, it's still enough effort to mean that you expect returns.
If those returns never come, you're not gonna continue these "deals you can't refuse". So they have to get enough to at least "break even" in terms of both fun-value/tear-value to effort and ISK to ISK.
What I find worse to contemplate on than all the scammers, though, is the less intelligent who supply them.
The same goes for the goon recruitment scam and all other scams where the info should be out there to know you're being scammed. You must be one kind of "not very bright" (in 5 letters) or "not very aware of your surroundings and the end of the human digestive system" (in 7 letters) to fall for some of these scams, since they have been documented all across EVE.
I do hope they have warnings of some sort in the tutorial
To make it clear that scamming is considered an important and accepted part of the game environment... just as they have Mining and Security and Distribution missions in the tutorial.. the should have another division Called "Swindler Division".
They should have the player create a scam contract to an NPC and have another mission where they are directed to type a double your isk scam in a deadspace version of local and have an npc fall for the scam they set.
I think that using the Tutorial to teach new players how to scam really would set expectations better than by just giving them some boiler plate warnings and letting them be all disappointed and hurt when the realize that part of the game is playing a villian in a black hat and a long mustache .. nyaahaha !.
The worst thing is misguided expectations.. once everyone understands that scamming is part of the PVP feelings won't get hurt and people won't take personal issue. |
brinelan
The Flying Dead
Insidious Empire
97
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:59:00 -
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Diomedes Calypso wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:I, too, am surprised at how many ISK doublers, PLEX contracters, "skillbook as subsystems" sellers, 0.1 ISK buyers, margin scammers, and so on and so forth, there are in this game, but by logic, they have to get enough from it to continue.
If you use a trial account or an alt, it's still enough effort to mean that you expect returns.
If those returns never come, you're not gonna continue these "deals you can't refuse". So they have to get enough to at least "break even" in terms of both fun-value/tear-value to effort and ISK to ISK.
What I find worse to contemplate on than all the scammers, though, is the less intelligent who supply them.
The same goes for the goon recruitment scam and all other scams where the info should be out there to know you're being scammed. You must be one kind of "not very bright" (in 5 letters) or "not very aware of your surroundings and the end of the human digestive system" (in 7 letters) to fall for some of these scams, since they have been documented all across EVE. I do hope they have warnings of some sort in the tutorial To make it clear that scamming is considered an important and accepted part of the game environment... just as they have Mining and Security and Distribution missions in the tutorial.. the should have another division Called "Swindler Division". They should have the player create a scam contract to an NPC and have another mission where they are directed to type a double your isk scam in a deadspace version of local and have an npc fall for the scam they set. I think that using the Tutorial to teach new players how to scam really would set expectations better than by just giving them some boiler plate warnings and letting them be all disappointed and hurt when the realize that part of the game is playing a villian in a black hat and a long mustache .. nyaahaha !. The worst thing is misguided expectations.. once everyone understands that scamming is part of the PVP feelings won't get hurt and people won't take personal issue.
Why? most scams are obvious if you actually pay attention.
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flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels
Fidelas Constans
1421
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Posted - 2013.09.17 14:02:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:559B Orca = (fat finger caused 0 autorepeat | RMTing ISK at large alliance level)
I am more oriented to consider it a major RMT injection, someone wants to become | return being relevant in sov space and got good dollars to show.
This really
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Calwarcitainsin 4Russia
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.09.17 14:07:00 -
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I once did a whoopsy of -200b, someone got really happay on that.. not that im rly missing it but still.. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
696
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Posted - 2013.09.17 15:16:00 -
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brinelan wrote:Diomedes Calypso wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:I, too, am surprised at how many ISK doublers, PLEX contracters, "skillbook as subsystems" sellers, 0.1 ISK buyers, margin scammers, and so on and so forth, there are in this game, but by logic, they have to get enough from it to continue.
If you use a trial account or an alt, it's still enough effort to mean that you expect returns.
If those returns never come, you're not gonna continue these "deals you can't refuse". So they have to get enough to at least "break even" in terms of both fun-value/tear-value to effort and ISK to ISK.
What I find worse to contemplate on than all the scammers, though, is the less intelligent who supply them.
The same goes for the goon recruitment scam and all other scams where the info should be out there to know you're being scammed. You must be one kind of "not very bright" (in 5 letters) or "not very aware of your surroundings and the end of the human digestive system" (in 7 letters) to fall for some of these scams, since they have been documented all across EVE. I do hope they have warnings of some sort in the tutorial To make it clear that scamming is considered an important and accepted part of the game environment... just as they have Mining and Security and Distribution missions in the tutorial.. the should have another division Called "Swindler Division". They should have the player create a scam contract to an NPC and have another mission where they are directed to type a double your isk scam in a deadspace version of local and have an npc fall for the scam they set. I think that using the Tutorial to teach new players how to scam really would set expectations better than by just giving them some boiler plate warnings and letting them be all disappointed and hurt when the realize that part of the game is playing a villian in a black hat and a long mustache .. nyaahaha !. The worst thing is misguided expectations.. once everyone understands that scamming is part of the PVP feelings won't get hurt and people won't take personal issue. Why? most scams are obvious if you actually pay attention.
I would say some newbie might not know how to spot them but then again they should also not ahve billions in thier wallet to be scammed away. |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cedar Knolls Research
STEEL BROTHERHOOD
20
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Posted - 2013.09.17 15:30:00 -
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Came to see what a 599 Billion Orca fit could possibly look like. Found only words. Leaving disappointed. |
Druthlen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:12:00 -
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Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:Came to see what a 599 Billion Orca fit could possibly look like. Found only words. Leaving disappointed.
Same |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
243
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:41:00 -
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Even if someone paid that amount, the person with the lowest sell order at the moment of sale would be the one to get the money. Which means the person listing the Orca just lost 1.5bil in listing fees (or whatever the total amount is). Which is more than the value of the ship. Clever. Very.
Bokononist
-á |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3406
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:36:00 -
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So therefore, RMT operations are operating under the cover of market scammers?
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
110
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:50:00 -
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Zaxix wrote:Even if someone paid that amount, the person with the lowest sell order at the moment of sale would be the one to get the money. Which means the person listing the Orca just lost 1.5bil in listing fees (or whatever the total amount is). Which is more than the value of the ship. Clever. Very.
Yeah.. I know not everyone updates their orca price every 10 seconds, and I know they would coordinate it over team speak, and I know they would do it off hours.. but still.. quite a risk and quite a windfall if I had an orca for sale and I happened to be watching their price updates and I got my order change in just as the guy was pushing buy for 559 bilion..
quite a risk that they'd be taking if it were a RMT thing
Also.. ... even if if were an item where they knew they'd get it... I'm not 100% sure of what RMT scenario people are seeing.
Obviously people with $ want to buy a huge amount of isk and mask it as a mistake.......
I know they flag outliers to look at with humans and any transaction over a few 100 billion would, I think, meet the threshold for a quick review ... wouldn't you think?
So, of course it isn't proof in itself.. but it would draw attention. They'd look at the journal of the corp that just happened to have 559 billion in their purchasing account and sort of see how unusual that transfer was.. and well poke around.
No... while the mistake orders are certainly a great way of Laundering... the scale of that one just seems odd....
... unless it is common practice for mega corps to have that sort of isk in a single wallet instead of keeping it spread out through holding corps wallets etc?
I guess ... that is really my question. I know there are trillionaraires in the game.. but surely other than a screen shot moment.. I can't imagine that the didn't keep there wealth spread between mutiple characters , acoounts etc.
Is is believable that there would be 559 billion in a given wallet ? |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
110
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:54:00 -
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Calwarcitainsin 4Russia wrote:I once did a whoopsy of -200b, someone got really happay on that.. not that im rly missing it but still..
Wow.. I certainly understand how the mistake could be made.. IF you had that much isk in the wallet. The only way to really be sure you don't screw up when you're tired or you dog is taking a crap and you rush something "easy" like making a small purchase you don't think needs much attention... is limiting losses with a worse loss wallet balance.
Do you keep that much isk in one wallet more than once a year? Or did all the planets line up wrong at an odd given moment for you? |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
245
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Posted - 2013.09.17 18:02:00 -
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I don't think this is RMT, cause it's a pretty stupid way to go about it. I think the mistake was made by the seller, not in the hopes that someone else would make a mistake.
Bokononist
-á |
Dave Stark
3690
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Posted - 2013.09.17 18:27:00 -
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the chance of miners having that much isk is laughable given mining's isk/hour |
Matt Mansfield
Diplomacy of the Sword
Ragnarok.
0
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Posted - 2013.09.17 18:38:00 -
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Sound like someone got burned for 500bil isk. Did the guy allow the broker to access his wallet for investments? |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
110
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Posted - 2013.09.17 18:47:00 -
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Not as exciting as that. There is one listed for sale.
I posted to ellicit thoughts from others about the potential of anything actually selling for 559 Billion accidentally. Certainly people pay 1000 times what some things are worth.. but they are limited by their wallet balances.
Maybe my real purpose was to hear opinions on how high active wallet balances can frequently be. (being an isk-based trillionaire doesn't mean you have that much isk liquid and certainly doesn't mean you have the bulk of it in one wallet.)
Open ended questions sort of lead to interesting un-expected answers sometimes!
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PS I agree with the post above that that felt it was a mistake by the listing person, not a calculated bet. The mistake cost him at least 1.5 billion in broker fees and twice that 3 billion or so if he had no caldari faction/navy standing and as much as 5 or so bilion if he had neither standing or the brokerage fee reduction skill trained high.
LOL that's why you keep your wallet balances low.... even accidentally trying to sell something for 3 extra digits can cost you a few carriers worth of isk ! |
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