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SheepWyvern
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:15:00 -
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Now that the RAM problem is sorted (yes it is, be quiet :P) have HAC prices dropped to what they were pre-patch - <100m, in most cases?
Just curious. Post here the high/low prices in your region. Ty. =)
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SheepWyvern
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:16:00 -
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I really should delete that alt. ¼.¼
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Idara
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:17:00 -
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Nope.
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RedWyvern
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:17:00 -
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chrissake. I'm going to bed.
*stomps off*
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:20:00 -
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RAM prices are not what caused HAC prices to go up.
The cerberus was unnerfed, and for the others, people simply wanted more. The main cause probably has to do with NAGA--they accidentally stuffed all their BPOs in one slot, putting them out of action for nearly 2 months.
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Agent2 Holtze
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:23:00 -
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Edited by: Agent2 Holtze on 13/01/2006 01:25:20
 Originally by: Dark Shikari
RAM prices are not what caused HAC prices to go up.
The cerberus was unnerfed, and for the others, people simply wanted more. The main cause probably has to do with NAGA--they accidentally stuffed all their BPOs in one slot, putting them out of action for nearly 2 months.
nubs 
tbh I like the prices, it gives us(I'm one of those ATM wooho =), prolly not for long though ) with the money an advance on the battlefield. Allthough i feel it's a shame that some people don't use theirs hacs 4 pvp because they can't afford to loose it.
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TheKiller8
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:34:00 -
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I can afford to lose it but I can't justify the cost to fly it. At current prizes I'd much rather have a bunch of BS or Inties than a HAC. I still fly my Ishtar since it's fun but once I lose it I won't be replacing it
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2006.01.13 04:54:00 -
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Owning an expensive HAC makes you fly a BS like its a cheap arse frigate. I romp around in my Typhoon now. Gladly looking to bust it upside somebodies head.
No, prices come from excessive demand, nothing more.
I doubt Naga made that mistake. They could have easily petitioned it if they did.
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Corn Meal
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Posted - 2006.01.13 05:13:00 -
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Can I just find a cerb for a decent price lol.... had to finished Crus5 as the jumped to 130-200m for a cerb :(
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Linavin
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Posted - 2006.01.13 05:21:00 -
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I wonder what Khatred is doing in all of this...he seems to change buinsess plans every month
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.01.13 05:43:00 -
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Originally by: Imhotep Khem
Owning an expensive HAC makes you fly a BS like its a cheap arse frigate. I romp around in my Typhoon now. Gladly looking to bust it upside somebodies head.
No, prices come from excessive demand, nothing more.
I doubt Naga made that mistake. They could have easily petitioned it if they did.
And extremely limited demand. When I started playing eve there were around 12k logged in. Now there's 20k plus on any given night. the number of players has increased dramatically and the number of bpos hasn't. CCP needs to drop more bpos. Period.
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shivan
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Posted - 2006.01.13 05:45:00 -
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The problem is that more and more people are getting trained up to fly HACs while only a certain amount can be built per day.
Demand far outweighs supply currently and that trend is only set to carry on, and as such prices will only steadily rise.
Only two ways to increase supply, either
1) people do PE research on the prints to curn them out quicker
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2) more prints brought out
2 isnt going to happen for a while I recken and 1 wont happen as people only see the short term profit they can make. If they did some PE research, they might be down for a while, but the increased productivity would catch up and surpass their profits without doing the PE eventually.
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2006.01.13 06:26:00 -
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I've pretty much just finished Gallente Cruiser 5, and now I see it is hard to get either Deimos or Ishtar under 135 mil. I suppose it ain't so bad, but that involves stalking every high sec region. I find that the HAC prices are the least out of propotion in the hub systems.
BTW, Im looking for a Deimos. I don't care what people say about it, I WANT one.
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AstralTraveler
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Posted - 2006.01.13 07:43:00 -
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Deimos is very good.
You just need some creative thinking in setting it up. To many narrow minded so called "pvp-ers" cant think outside their boxes.
As for HAC prices, they will not go down. They are very powerfull, high resist, high damage output and the player base increases, thus the demand increases while the number of BPO in game is the same.
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RedWyvern
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Posted - 2006.01.13 09:50:00 -
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thanks for the answers guys...I think I'll be putting off HAC training for a while yet. 
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.01.13 09:58:00 -
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I bought 3 Vagabonds and 2 Muninns, pre RMR. I make me happy sometimes.
However, I was planning on buying a Cerb, and there's no f'ing way im paying current prices for it. It isnt *that* good, and I'd only be using it to carebear.
Seed some BPCs on agent missions already, ffs.
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Sieur NewT
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Posted - 2006.01.13 09:59:00 -
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Me too i am flying an ishtar and looking the price if i loose it i will go to dominix i beleive :
Sure ishtar is faster have have better resist but when you do 30 % more damage and have about 3 to 4 time the shield and the armor of the HAC without having to leave when you have lost somes drones i begin to think something is wrong
... maybe should decrease dominix drone bay or increase the damages drones % on the ishtar ?
So i beleive if price go down under 100 M then the HAC will still have some love :)
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
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Posted - 2006.01.13 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: Shan''Talasha Mea''Questa on 13/01/2006 10:04:48
Researching PE isn't doing too well these days, not even on the 36 hour building-time of a HAC.
Edit: Spelling.
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Uther Doull
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Posted - 2006.01.13 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: TheKiller8
I can afford to lose it but I can't justify the cost to fly it. At current prizes I'd much rather have a bunch of BS or Inties than a HAC. I still fly my Ishtar since it's fun but once I lose it I won't be replacing it
same... i lost my vaga not to long ago and although i can afford a new one i'm not going to bother, i can get a bs with insurance and some pretty good mods for the price of the vaga alone, or a host of other ships...
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Deathhawk
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Posted - 2006.01.13 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Deathhawk on 13/01/2006 11:25:49
Edited by: Deathhawk on 13/01/2006 11:25:33
oops
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Deathhawk
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Posted - 2006.01.13 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Deathhawk on 13/01/2006 11:26:24
Originally by: Sieur NewT
Sure ishtar is faster have have better resist but when you do 30 % more damage and have about 3 to 4 time the shield and the armor of the HAC without having to leave when you have lost somes drones i begin to think something is wrong
... maybe should decrease dominix drone bay or increase the damages drones % on the ishtar ?
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what!!! decrease drone bay? its a bs...ishtar is assault CRUISER... it should do less damage and hold less drones..
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Sieur NewT
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Posted - 2006.01.13 13:30:00 -
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but then it should cost less or i dont know do something that the dominix bs dont do, not just taking 5 time more money :)
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2006.01.13 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Eyeshadow on 13/01/2006 13:29:48
/me strokes his cost price HACs 
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.01.13 13:43:00 -
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They are simply not worth the money. They don't do anything a well set up BS can't do much better - apart from go a bit faster.
I will not be buying one, despite a healthy wallet.
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migwar
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Posted - 2006.01.13 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sieur NewT
but then it should cost less or i dont know do something that the dominix bs dont do, not just taking 5 time more money :)
The cost of HACs are not related to their effectiveness, CCP cannot directly control HAC prices as the market is player driven.
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Saerid
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Posted - 2006.01.13 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Saerid on 13/01/2006 14:18:22
Edited by: Saerid on 13/01/2006 14:15:27
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The cerberus was unnerfed, and for the others, people simply wanted more. The main cause probably has to do with NAGA--they accidentally stuffed all their BPOs in one slot, putting them out of action for nearly 2 months.
Tbh.. we don't have that many prints. 7 in production, 3 in queue. Another place to look for would be BIG's HAC selection. I could've sworn they had more than cerb/muninn/sacrilege for sale.
So here's my analysis of the situation: Increasingly large % of HAC prints are not producing for the public market. That is, demand >> supply. Therefore alliances produce for their own use even more so than before, and of late buy prints off the market (28b isk for Sleipnir comes to mind).
As for other major "public producers".. no idea on what Khatred is up to, their production is pretty significant too.
PS. As far as I'm aware we never got around to raising our prices due to the RAM issue. CCP fixed it before we were forced to.
PPS. Imhotep: We in fact did do just that. And GMs didn't have the tools to cancel jobs either. So that's that.
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2006.01.13 14:18:00 -
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So what is the common opinion? Will HACs drop in price, stay the same, or climb? Im seriously considering buy one now. The prices are not really that outrageous compared to their old costs, and if the price is gonna climb I'll be happy to pay ~135 today than 180 tomorrow.
To be honest, only the newly produced HACS are cheap. Second hand goods costs more because there is no wait in line for them. Sure, NAGA has excellent prices, but they can't deliver instantly. A HAC that lives for more than a couple of weeks has paid back it's cost already in my opinion, especially in 0.0 space.
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Taketa De
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Posted - 2006.01.13 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sieur NewT
Sure ishtar is faster have have better resist but when you do 30 % more damage and have about 3 to 4 time the shield and the armor of the HAC without having to leave when you have lost somes drones i begin to think something is wrong
... maybe should decrease dominix drone bay or increase the damages drones % on the ishtar ?
Kind of silly really. The dominix is a battleship the Ishtar a cruiser and the Dominix should actually have a larger dronebay then the Ishtar. At HAC 5 it's doesn't tho.
Anyway, you are comfusing price with "objective value" of the ship, espeically if you have something that is rare or semi rare the two are often far apart. Also it costs less to make an Ishtar then a Domi...
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.01.13 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: migwar
Originally by: Sieur NewT
but then it should cost less or i dont know do something that the dominix bs dont do, not just taking 5 time more money :)
The cost of HACs are not related to their effectiveness, CCP cannot directly control HAC prices as the market is player driven.
The cost of HACs is basically determined by how much people will pay for them, and how much people will pay for them is basically determined by how effective people think they are.
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HatePeace LoveWar
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Posted - 2006.01.13 14:51:00 -
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the fact i bought 2 deimos and 2 vaggie's pre RMR makes my peen hard.
And in a deimos i can npc enough for another in about 3 hours, so i dont see why ppl wont use them for pvp tbh.
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