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Maximus Hashur OMGROFLSTOMP Ushra'Khan 68	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:27:00 - [1] - Quote Looking for some guidance on what T3 would be good in a solo hunter role. I am interested in having the flexibility to enter WH space, hunt around, scan for new wormholes, and be able to cloak up. I know using the covert ops subsystem gimps DPS, but is there any viable fits out there. I am Tengu trained now but am (erm) not impressed. Just personal preference here, not saying its a bad ship to all those about to get hurt by that statement. Im thinking of training up one of the other 3 and having a go. I really want lasers, but reading these forums it seems the general concensus is that the Legion sucks for WH hunting. Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.-á Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!!
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1576	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:02:00 - [2] - Quote Maximus Hashur wrote: Looking for some guidance on what T3 would be good in a solo hunter role. I am interested in having the flexibility to enter WH space, hunt around, scan for new wormholes, and be able to cloak up. I know using the covert ops subsystem gimps DPS, but is there any viable fits out there. I am Tengu trained now but am (erm) not impressed. Just personal preference here, not saying its a bad ship to all those about to get hurt by that statement. Im thinking of training up one of the other 3 and having a go. I really want lasers, but reading these forums it seems the general concensus is that the Legion sucks for WH hunting. Cloaky HAM tengu can work. Still not great DPS. Cloaky Proteus has the best DPS but you have to commit to the fight due to range.
Malception Cold Moon Destruction. 131	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:28:00 - [3] - Quote Speaking of Proteus and range, I wonder how the Proteus will do with rails and a long point.
Bamsey Amraa Unseen Nomads Exiled Ones 46	Posted - 2013.09.18 16:53:00 - [4] - Quote Proteus Rex.
HTC NecoSino TriFlexure Void-Legion 35	Posted - 2013.09.18 17:18:00 - [5] - Quote Tengu With buzzard alt to scan and catch pods. Tengu does about 500dps with a 65k EHP and cloak. Fit a 3-point scram if you want to tackle ventures and orcas
Ronix Aideron Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking 109	Posted - 2013.09.18 20:46:00 - [6] - Quote The problem is that you are asking for a ship to perform three roles (Cloak, PvP, Scan). If you wanted a cloaky PvP ship an Arazu is cheaper than a T3. I would recommend a scan ship with a DPS alt/friend. Or you can use a scan ship then swap to an Arazu to hut within the chain. Start the day off slow and taper off from there. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Ronix_Aideron
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1516	Posted - 2013.09.18 21:15:00 - [7] - Quote You're going to lose more ships than you kill with the high expectations you have about T3's. Contrary to popular discourse, they're not the OMFGPWNAGE ship people make them out to be. And in most cases your target is going to out tank your DPS in a cloaky T3. That means you're going to be limited to ganking haulers doing PI or loitering on a hole for which a SB is a much better choice due to costs and efficacy. You could say that you're going to hunt other T3's. In this case you want a cloaky T3 Proteus as most T3's are buff fits. That is, however, changing with recent local rep buffs. But, I would question probabilities of two cloaky ships finding and then engaging each other. Firstly, cloakies are difficult to pin down. Secondly, you're most likely going to be fighting them on another hole, preferably not to HS. So, lets say your engagement starts. You clearly are out dpsing your opponent. He jumps through to the other side to save himself. You follow him. He then burns off the hole and cloaks before you can target him unless he makes a mistake or materializes <1KM off the hole. If he materializes too close to the hole to allow him to burn off to cloak in time, assuming that was his first jump, then he only need jump back through and make a second attempt to escape. So, your chances are limited. This also assumes he's not calling friends on TS the whole time so that when you make your second jump through the hole you're polarized and then have no where to run. But, solo can mean multiboxing. If you're willing and capable of doing that, then a support ship would be highly desirable. ECM, Sensor Dampening, neuting, a remote repper, drones are all suitable for a support ship to supplement your main DPS/TANK ship. I've seen it used to great effect and is the preferred method when friends in a fleet aren't available to you. Getting back to the SB, mixing up the fit, you could add in tracking disruption or sensor dampening to give you an edge. The problem with tracking disruption is any ship with drones are going to eat your SB alive. Sensor dampening using range scripts, unfortunately, won't dampen the targeting range of most ships sufficiently to allow you to get into point range without taking damage. Scan resolution might be more desirable but I doubt it. The downside is, without target painters, it's doubtful you'll be able to apply enough DPS to break any active tanking or punch through buff tanks before you're dead. Then again, this is all academic and there are peeps that make solo pew work and well. shrugs Don't ban me, bro!
Jon Matick Semper Ubi Sub Ubi 26	Posted - 2013.09.18 21:43:00 - [8] - Quote Only T3 even remotely viable cloaky for actual PVP is the proteus. Loki can do it in a pinch but it's a lot worse, Tengu is horrible, lol Legion is lol. My Blog:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/
Tul Breetai Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud. 312	Posted - 2013.09.19 05:51:00 - [9] - Quote Jon Matick wrote: Only T3 even remotely viable cloaky for actual PVP is the proteus. Loki can do it in a pinch but it's a lot worse, Tengu is horrible, lol Legion is lol. He means "they all can do it, but proteus gets the widest choices of targets and legion gets relatively few." For what you want though, t3s are the way to go, just make sure you can afford it. Nobody ever questions it when I go out solo in my pilgrim, why assume I shouldn't have to pick my targets in a cloaky t3? Welcome to the t3 debate. There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Malception Cold Moon Destruction. 131	Posted - 2013.09.19 12:40:00 - [10] - Quote I'm going to assume by solo you mean one ship with no other support. I've done this in my Proteus and it involved a lot of stalking. I wasn't moving around a whole lot - just sitting on their POS and watching. I basically found a class 3 system and hunted its carebear inhabitants over the course of a weekend. Because your DPS is so low with a covert-scanning Proteus you're going to have to deal with a lot of what Kidd said: picking your targets and a high probability of having to deal with reinforcements by yourself. Most of the time your best case scenario in that event is to escape, though there are things to mitigate that. You can still put a sick tank on a covert-scanning Prot. Ultimately you're going to run into the hazards of a pack animal hunting solo: being restricted to preying on only the sick and weak.

Hidden Fremen Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire 146	Posted - 2013.09.19 13:02:00 - [11] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Maximus Hashur wrote: Looking for some guidance on what T3 would be good in a solo hunter role. I am interested in having the flexibility to enter WH space, hunt around, scan for new wormholes, and be able to cloak up. I know using the covert ops subsystem gimps DPS, but is there any viable fits out there. I am Tengu trained now but am (erm) not impressed. Just personal preference here, not saying its a bad ship to all those about to get hurt by that statement. Im thinking of training up one of the other 3 and having a go. I really want lasers, but reading these forums it seems the general concensus is that the Legion sucks for WH hunting. Cloaky HAM tengu can work. Still not great DPS. Cloaky Proteus has the best DPS but you have to commit to the fight due to range. Good luck getting launcher hardpoints with a cloaky subsystem. Covert AC or blaster Legion would be better than laser Legion, though. Really doesn't matter which turret type since there's no damage bonus to any one in particular.
HerrBert Semper Ubi Sub Ubi 91	Posted - 2013.09.19 13:47:00 - [12] - Quote inb4: Armor Tanked Cloaky Rail Tengu! My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about... Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism
Lloyd Roses Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 248	Posted - 2013.09.19 18:00:00 - [13] - Quote Would always run with a noncloaky if you aim at solowork. Cloakies work decently if you blob the ** out of your opponents, else you'll just be fishfodder for the nextbest guy who knows what he's doing. As of the latest rebalance, take a deimos or cerb, if you want a cloak take a CS. And a covops-alt. (Helios)** Unless you got an agression timer, you can just log your toon on a safe in system / on the hole. They will notice you being there exactly as much as if you brought in a cloaky. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3633385&#post3633385 - The right corp to join if welping a 10bil fleet makes you want to welp a 20bil fleet right afterwards
Mr Aurilen Tactical Soldiers Nulli Secunda 3	Posted - 2013.09.19 18:22:00 - [14] - Quote Malception wrote: Speaking of Proteus and range, I wonder how the Proteus will do with rails and a long point. Actually really well if you can squeeze a 1600 plate on there. You get good tank to dps ratio.
Hidden Fremen Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire 147	Posted - 2013.09.19 23:18:00 - [15] - Quote HerrBert wrote: inb4: Armor Tanked Cloaky Rail Tengu! I'm pretty sure you're limited to launcher hard points with the covert sub on the Tengu, but you get a RoF bonus with it so trying for any other weapons system would be quite bad.
Senn Denroth Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire 100	Posted - 2013.09.20 00:14:00 - [16] - Quote The only real way to do it would be the proteus (short range) or the loki (longer range) http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/47778-Loki-Shield-Buffer-Wormhole-Explorer.html
Malcolm Shinhwa Bad Touches 318	Posted - 2013.09.21 17:43:00 - [17] - Quote The Tigerears blog is the chronicle of a guy stalking wh's in his Loki. Its a lot of stalking, with some killing. Its a great read. This is the rule:-á In Eve it's always a trick. If you don't think it's a trick, you just don't have enough experience to know what the trick is. That doesn't mean you shouldn't launch on that fool anyway and roll the dice.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 326	Posted - 2013.09.21 23:32:00 - [18] - Quote Ignoring how well it hits or not a cloaky railgun prot now can do 650ish dps (non-heated) with javelin ammo and out damage a short range cloaky loki at 65km (combine with the long point bonus for some fun). Not saying its a good idea or anything but theres some potential there if your crazy enough.
Yoshmoto Bite Me inc Bitten. 23	Posted - 2013.10.21 04:21:00 - [19] - Quote I find a cloaky scanny loki works well for initial tackle then I have a Neut / webbing / Drone Dominix warp in to make the target useless. Disable weapons and its tank (if active tancked) I also log on my tengu and have him warp in for moar DPS. The hardest part is the finding and tackling the target IMO.
Baggo Hammers 169	Posted - 2013.10.22 04:53:00 - [20] - Quote Sweet necro. If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.



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