Extortion is the act of threatening someone for something they have. Give us 10 mil or get ganked sure seems like extortion to me. The cost is more or less irrelevant.

Extortion is the act of threatening someone for something they have. Give us 10 mil or get ganked sure seems like extortion to me. The cost is more or less irrelevant.

I could fly about telling people to buy permits for space camping, blow em up when they don't and claim I'm "helping" them. If they buy a permit I can link a bookmarked location and then they can camp ( sit in space doing nothing) safely wherever I am.

Yeah New Order you do sound that dumb, and I feel bad for all those miners who gave you isk. I'd rather lose any mining ship than kowtow to some low brow self-proclaimed leader....

The New Order doesn't ask for your ISK. The New Order asks for your compliance, which includes the ISK payment. When all you see in the Code is a loss of ISK, I grieve for you. The Code is so much more, and the removal of ISK from your wallet isn't a loss of any kind. Instead, it is the New Order's gain! You're not submitting to the will of 'some self-proclaimed leader', you will comply with the Code of Halaima and the vision of the elected Supreme Protector of Highsec.

The cost associated with a permit, IMO, is to protect against petitions. If you didn't charge people IMO it could be ruled as griefing

Extortion is the act of threatening someone for something they have. Give us 10 mil or get ganked sure seems like extortion to me. The cost is more or less irrelevant.

I could fly about telling people to buy permits for space camping, blow em up when they don't and claim I'm "helping" them. If they buy a permit I can link a bookmarked location and then they can camp ( sit in space doing nothing) safely wherever I am.

Yeah New Order you do sound that dumb, and I feel bad for all those miners who gave you isk. I'd rather lose any mining ship than kowtow to some low brow self-proclaimed leader....

The New Order doesn't ask for your ISK. The New Order asks for your compliance, which includes the ISK payment. When all you see in the Code is a loss of ISK, I grieve for you. The Code is so much more, and the removal of ISK from your wallet isn't a loss of any kind. Instead, it is the New Order's gain! You're not submitting to the will of 'some self-proclaimed leader', you will comply with the Code of Halaima and the vision of the elected Supreme Protector of Highsec.

Who made you the in game moral police?

This is a game. A game that was designed to be harsh and designed to allow players to gank, extort, ransom, rob their own corps/alliances, etc etc.

If someone chooses to play within the framework of the game who are you to call them names because you don't like their game style?

You are doing a wonderful job at contradicting yourself. Keep at it.

It is precisely that word, compliance, that bothers me.

I'm not shitting bricks for losing money to the permit. 10 mil ISK is pennies.

If I don't want your permit or your silly code cluttering up my systems I have that right.

Do point out the contradiction. I don't see it.

It's a harsh game. You're free to extort and call it a public service. We're free to call you out on your bullshit.

I still don't follow you.

Did CCP create this game that allows for the above things I stated... yes.
Do people cry, whine, and rage when someone plays the game allowed by CCP... yes

that is all I was stating so I still don't see what your on about. I never said anything about public service so you've gone a little wonky there. I am not responsible for creating this game which allows extortion, so why I are you getting on me about the truth of things?

If someone chooses to play within the framework of the game who are you to call them names because you don't like their game style?

My God.



Do I need to spell it out for you? You criticize players who criticize the way other players use game mechanics, even though game mechanics allows such criticism to occur.

*twiches*

Extortion is the act of threatening someone for something they have. Give us 10 mil or get ganked sure seems like extortion to me. The cost is more or less irrelevant.

Wow things went downhill in here.

Tax-men, extortionists, gankers. All just players doing what they do.

This thread has gotten lost in a pretty semantic squabble. Go english.....


I also never said anyone was being judged as a person outside of the game, nor claimed any moral high ground.

I think BenDover was simply pointing out that my posts were no different than the posts BoSau Hasim defended. Two faces:Same coin.

Anyway if ya'll want to find me and pod me or something I kick it in and near Nedegulf. Just makes the game more exciting. I firmly back people trying to work the system, I just didn't like the manifesto style of New Order campaigning. As far as I know I've never seen them anywhere I fly. I've also been ganked and learned my lessons about how and where to fly my mining ships in peace.

I have no idea how to fit a mining ship for yield, but what I can tell you is that if you intend to mine in hi-sec, please ensure that your mining permit is in order before you do so. You may purchase this permit from myself or any authorized Agent for the sum of 10m isk.

Remember, Permit Tank = Best Tank.


Go with the Code,

WS.